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Red_BlueOnion said: Was Piso's Justice really alluded to at the end of the first cour? I know it was speculated as such, but given that the deaths technically never happened, I'm not so sure. Plus, I think it makes little sense for such a theme to be resolved halfway through the show. "Let justice be done, though the heavens fall". Would this represent Slaine enacting (his brand of) justice, regardless of the outcome (Hime's approval, a mostly inevitable death), believing it must be realized for a better outcome? The principle of Piso's Justice refers to retaliatory sentences with intentions that are technically correct, though morally wrong. Would this imply that Slaine's ultimate goals are as such? Was it referring to Saazbaum's condemning Vers' failed societal system in retaliation for his fiancé's death? I feel there are story inconsistencies with both. It's possible Fiat justitia ruat caelum just sounded like an interesting tagline to use with Heaven's Fall as it's only intended connection. There are so many lines of symbolism (Odin, Gulls, Wolves, Bats, Roses, Pendant, etc.), I'm not sure if they really even care. If it were really going to follow through with a Piso's Justice retelling, I think the plot requires three important characters to die, with Slaine as a most likely candidate. Regardless, I feel someone will truly die at the fault of another by the end. I want to tell you there's some deeper meaning, but given my current opinion of the show, I'd have to say it probably sounded cool and part of the show is about "justice" in a vague sense. Trying to read into it too much probably only results in it not properly aligning. |
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Red_BlueOnion said: Was Piso's Justice really alluded to at the end of the first cour? I know it was speculated as such, but given that the deaths technically never happened, I'm not so sure. Plus, I think it makes little sense for such a theme to be resolved halfway through the show. "Let justice be done, though the heavens fall". Would this represent Slaine enacting (his brand of) justice, regardless of the outcome (Hime's approval, a mostly inevitable death), believing it must be realized for a better outcome? The principle of Piso's Justice refers to retaliatory sentences with intentions that are technically correct, though morally wrong. Would this imply that Slaine's ultimate goals are as such? Was it referring to Saazbaum's condemning Vers' failed societal system in retaliation for his fiancé's death? I feel there are story inconsistencies with both. It's possible Fiat justitia ruat caelum just sounded like an interesting tagline to use with Heaven's Fall as it's only intended connection. There are so many lines of symbolism (Odin, Gulls, Wolves, Bats, Roses, Pendant, etc.), I'm not sure if they really even care. If it were really going to follow through with a Piso's Justice retelling, I think the plot requires three important characters to die, with Slaine as a most likely candidate. Regardless, I feel someone will truly die at the fault of another by the end. Well it's somewhat foolish to believe that it would be a direct retelling of piso's justice in the first place, if they are using piso's justice they are probably taking liberties with it, even at that, you could argue that both inaho and asseylum did die in the first season, or at least their intentions and ideals did, at the hands of slaine, slaine destroyed what both inaho and asseylum were trying to do at the end of S1, causing the war to spin out of control and at this point, become unstoppable without one or both sides destroyed. Also the link to odin may be true, however inaho also has a few things in common with heimdallr/heimdall as well(vision able to see 100 miles away on clear or cloudy day, has the gift of "foreknowledge", also being the guardian against the "giants"), and considering if you believe the theory of norse god hints on inaho, slaine would obviously be loki as well(the trickster, betrayer, and the one who causes "ragnarok"), heimdallr and loki kill each other in ragnarok, so there is that as well. Honestly i am undecided if i believe either theory, but they do have some compelling arguments to be made for them. |
Tatsuya said: heimdallr and loki kill each other in ragnarok, so there is that as well. That seems a likely inspiration for the ending. As for Piso's justice, I don't see them addressing the question of law and it's justification. Maybe Versian's rigid view on world could qualify, but I somehow don't feel it - they're more of typical nazi and as far as nobility goes they don't seem as concerned with the idea of serving the good of their nation as Romans. I guess they just took the impressive saying and mean some vague vengeance. |
deadoptimist said: Tatsuya said: heimdallr and loki kill each other in ragnarok, so there is that as well. That seems a likely inspiration for the ending. As for Piso's justice, I don't see them addressing the question of law and it's justification. Maybe Versian's rigid view on world could qualify, but I somehow don't feel it - they're more of typical nazi and as far as nobility goes they don't seem as concerned with the idea of serving the good of their nation as Romans. I guess they just took the impressive saying and mean some vague vengeance. Well my point is that if piso's justice is the inspiration, don't expect it to be outright plagiarism. One thing i didn't think about is a problem with the odin theory, while inaho does use a sleipnir, slepnir was the son of loki, inaho is merely using a trainer version of the military mech, this in itself brings problems with them following norse mythology or at least inaho being a odin analog as this would at least imply that inaho would get an aldnoah mech, probably harklights, as it's tecnically slaine's which he gave to harklight (bonus points in that harklight's mechs specialty is funnels, slepnir has 8 legs). Honestly i think i'm overthinking this. |
Tatsuya said: Honestly i think i'm overthinking this. You totally are, but it's very interesting. I just mean that Piso's justice influence seems to not go beyond the slogan. The themes are not there at all. Maybe Inaho getting an aldnoah mech would be the big development in the end of the season, but he is OP as he is, and they push for the real mecha angle and advertise Sleipnir's design a lot. But maybe they'll make it aldnoah powered... Harlight hasn't used his mecha even once (but he hasn't switched to the knight's uniform as well), so I frankly doubt even they will kill him off so fast. |
skudoops said: As for the ending I've changed what I think will happen slightly. I expect to see either PTSD guy, Rayet or the Captain die, and out of the 4 big players right now (x2 princess, slaine and inaho), I only expect one to survive, and it's likely that it's going to be one of the princesses, I expect the other princess, slaine and inaho to die by the end of this. It's quite likely saazbuum junior will make a move to force inaho and slaine to work together, and after that they fight each other and inaho wins but then dies to his eye. Would be kinda hilarious if that happen tbh. Yeah, I agree that one of the princesses should die. If they not antagonize, there's no reason for two to exist. If it was my decision, I'd killed Asseylum in some (finally) meaningful way, but I am afraid that it wil be Lemrina. She has some flags. Slaine may lose Harklight, if they stop care bout him and turn him into cannon fodder. Out of the Earth crew... Damn, they have been too protected. I don't think it'll be Rayet, unless they will play her martian origin card or make her sacrifice herself for a terran to underline her redemtion. Inko or Yuki are stable parts of the pseudo-harem, if they could die, they'd die long ago, but Inko is more likely to drop to give way ro Asseylum. Maybe Marito, since they have given up on his ship with Darzana. None of these deaths would be meaningful though. Persoanlly I expect them to, sadly, survive. As for the civil war - maybe the martian Vers military will make an appearance with stronger kats, since the orbital knights have more or less fallen - they can't fuel another season. Though if they will be beneficial through Asselum or on the contrary even worse, I don't know. I'd say that Slaine's camp should've been more open-minded, at least because they live near Earth, but Crokine and Mazuurek are loyal and open minded. On the other hand a third-sided war doesn't seem too realistic with Slaine seriously weakened. |
skudoops said: Yes lemrina has the flags for sure, but I sorta expect her to survive and the other one die. Funny enough, I don't think Harklight is in any danger unless of course he turns out to be some double agent, which would be hilarious at best. As for rayet, you said what I was thinking, he sacrifices herself to avenge her father or something, inko and yuki just contribute nothing to the show, their death would be completely meaningless. Marito is actually a prime candidate, especially if he and captain hook up at some point between now and the ending. As for the civil war, one of the biggest issues is the fact the emperor seems to have been forgotten. Unless they do some grand scheme where he and Saaz junior were plotting something for some reason I can't really see how they will bring him back into the show in a non-convenient manner. It's actually quite ridiculous he's been out for so long and no one has even spoken of him, as though he's some outcast. The princess assuming command and granting it to slaine hinged on the status of the emperor, so his current omission is weighing heavily on the story. I also don't see a way they can put Saaz junior in without making it look random and sudden without using another season. The only thing I can see is a civil war in a third season, I can't really see them doing this any other way without it being an absolute disaster. Yep, Rayet has already had a similar moment - she saved a terran soldier, who discriminated against her earlier. Maybe that'll be the theme for her death. Marito still has some untapped potential (at least his subplot with Darzana and her brother), but they easily sacrifice older cast. If it's solved (seems unlikely) or forgotten, he is the most likely corpse. As far as I remember the translated previews which seijaur brought suggested that Cronkine is indeed an agent from the main Vers. I too don't see how they can bring in Mars at this point, but then why introduce Cronkine now. It's kinda too early for mere foreshadowing of the next season. But it is an absolute disaster in terms of writing already... To say the truth, I don't want to know about the emperor already. We're dealing with the third generation after him, and they failed to introduce him at his time - it's way too late. But in any case it's bizarre that they don't even mention him, since he is a producer of aldnoah and, as far as I understand, the founder of their messy country. Even old and marasmatic, he holds a lot of knowledge and influence. And, albeit old, he is male. The Vers should think hard about (sorry for the subject) getting some new, erm, genetic material from him to ensure the continuation of the lineage and a possible new obedient sucessor. |
| I expect everyone to turn against Slain soon, he's gonna get rekt. ヽ(ﾟДﾟ)ﾉ |
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| 3 martian mechs are no match for the Inaho-eye. Slaine just revealed his big plan. |
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BurntJelly said: 3 martian mechs are no match for the Inaho-eye. Slaine just revealed his big plan. Stop insulting Lelouch |
| Slaine just shut both princesses up, Inaho's eye is getting worse and now Crutheo's son. This isn't going to end well. |
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| Inaho is overkill, this episode show us a part of his power. See Slaine trolled was so enjoyable ;) Now it's time to see the 10 ! |
BurntJelly said: Lelouch was not the first do that, and I doubt Slaine will do that anyway.3 martian mechs are no match for the Inaho-eye. Slaine just revealed his big plan. |
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| Now I'm just waiting for Inaho to meet Asseylum again. Good episode. |
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| The ideas of Slaine about the war are so idiotic,no there not ulterior motives behind wars just two opposite fraction that fight each other lol.And to prevent that,there has to be someone to eliminate them all and stop all the conflict. Asseylum suprised me when she tricked Slaine,didn't see that coming. |
| Yeah i gave Slaine the benefit of the doubt but there's really a lot less depth to his character than i gave hin credit for. And same for God Mode Inaho. |
| Slaine, you bastard! I hope you get launched into space and then freeze, suffocate, and implode!! Sent with Mal Updater |
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| And they thought they could over take the Gundam franchise with this LMAO. I don't have any particular complaints right now, but with the finale right around the corner I'm skeptical that they can wrap this up in a satisfying manner. Slaine is still continuing to be an intriguing one though. Even in the face of the real Asseylum (which I have to say was an awesome twist), he is resolute to see through on his quest for dominion and his ideal world. Ironically he's doing it for the princess, but is trying to create something that Asseylum does not want. Like a bird in a cage indeed. Zarnaav said: Oh, there's an ost? I got so accustom to it that I assumed it was just background noise at this point.1)The OST is overused ... dramatic scene [insert X song here] , mecha fights[insert Y song here] |
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| HOLY FFFF. I thought Lemrina was trying to shoot Asseylum, but she tells her everything and gives her the gun. Lemrina is officially off of the asshole list. Stark700 said:  YESSSS. that was the most satisfying 3 seconds. |
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| Wow, didn't expect the princesses to actually team up, even though i said as much half an hour ago when i watched the previous episode.. Well, we'll see how long that lasts. And with Cruhteo's son..guess he hasn't heard much about whats going on in Earth orbit yet, seeing how he simply thinks of Slaine as "Dr. Troyards son". Wonder how Slaine will deal with him. If the princesses get a chance to speak with him, things might get ugly for Slaine. After all, if both princess hand Crutteo over something that convinces the emperor that what he says is true, and both send the same message, like "Earth has done nothiing wrong, stop the war. Oh, and Slaine is mad, if you'd kill him we would be so happy. Love you dad".. And Slaine is slowy but surely runinng out of time anyways. He just lost 3 kataphrakts at once. Still no sign of them being able to build new ones outside of Vers. Also: Can't the princesses not simply deactivate the Aldnoah drives and lock them down/retract the right to use the Aldnoah factor from Slaine and consorts? Without kataphrakts etc. Slaine can plan all he wants and nothing will come of it. |
| Damn it Asseylum, you got a gun, use it for fucks sakes. Don't let the guy just arrogantly walk and take it from you. |
| Solid development! Let's see what's next though. |
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| Every single battle is exactly the same, besides Slaine vs Saazbaum. |
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| Am I the only one who notices what a hilariously stupid plot hole Ortygia is? So the martians have the ability of creating quantum copies of matter... let's just ignore the philosophical and moral implications that aren't' even mentioned, The Prestige did that, BUT WHY IN THE NAME OF SWEET BABY JESUS do the martians starve when they have INFINITE ENERGY AND THE EQUIVALENT OF THE BLOODY STAR TREK REPLICATOR?! |
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| In the name of screenwriting... I really hope Slaine has something in mind. |
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Tokoya said: bastek66 said: Idek how I should feel about this lolTerrible, terrible, terrible. Why are we still watching this shit? Cruehteo's son/clone/whatever out of nowhere 3 or rather 2 episodes before finale? Do they think we are complete retards?  This show is getting worse and worse with each episode holy crap. Also the fuck is this?^ I'd rather have a SoL series with only the martians than this tbh PLS KILL OF INAHO |
Haruka-SD said: Tokoya said: Idek how I should feel about this lol This show is getting worse and worse with each episode holy crap. Also the fuck is this?^ I'd rather have a SoL series with only the martians than this tbh PLS KILL OF INAHO Not happening |
Darklight0303 said: Haruka-SD said: This show is getting worse and worse with each episode holy crap. Also the fuck is this?^ I'd rather have a SoL series with only the martians than this tbh PLS KILL OF INAHO Not happening I figured |
| To make peace with earth, you should marry an Earthling , IDIOT!!What a farce this anime has become . |
| no one on that ship know how 2 shoot |
Monad said: Damn it Asseylum, you got a gun, use it for fucks sakes. Don't let the guy just arrogantly walk and take it from you. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| Damn. Slaine was about to get Slained by the sisters hime, but he said nope, you're getting Slained. Opening 1 makes sense now. lol Inaho's god eye is at its limit now after that victory. Cruhteo had a son? WTF! Why introduce him now? |
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GOOD: Princess Asselyum plot twist and more Slanie development towards his inevitable fall. BAD: Inaho once agains shows that he is god and solves everything with his OP eye that optimizes itself and enhances his brain or something... PD: It really must have been sad for Asselyum to see that Slaine is not the same person she remembers... The antagonization of Slaine is more than obvious. |
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| Yasss Inaho is so smart, they took out 3 VERS! Dam Count Cruhteo's son :0 I wonder how he feels about Slaine piloting his dad's former Ver, "Tharsis" |
| Meh, another generic battle with Inaho doing being God. Boring as fuck. 0/10. Slaine put Asseylum, Eddelrittuo and Lemrina under house arrest. Asseylum is still useless. Slaine's plan is bad HAHAHA. Count Cruhteo's son lol. 2/5 |
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| Seriously the first season was rather enjoyable but this season is a complete disaster... Probably will drop my raiting 4 from 5.. |
| Nice fighting and also good episode. |
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| Goddamned Slaine really changed after received the great power of Aldnoah. Its still predicted for me, with the way this show come from the very first beginning. Ofc he will act as a villain. But, with this episode, now, i can't believe myself that know i officially really hate the changed of his characterization. Blessed his soul. So much people now grew more hate on him, lol. With Inaho? Always unbreakable af. I don't wanna talk about him. Just usual emotionless Shounen with so much intelligent. Even i just dont care about his explanations. He surely won that battle why put so much effort to realize that? Lmao. Unfortunately, look like his eyes had a limit, can he survived til the last end? The drama here was better than the battle itself. Such a shame for the great show like a season 1. Unfortunately, no good thing last forever. Ofc thats happen on this series. Really bad.... |
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| My heart jumped when princess lemrina pointed the gun at princess Asseylum |
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| Alright, this battle to take down 3 elite kataphrakts is probably the most proficient one by far, the squad members are all coordinated and nobody is being incompetent as they usually are, it's wholly a step up from the pathetic state they were in before, see, let Inaho into the war room and let him lead the strategy and here you got an excellent victory awaiting to be claimed. On the other side, Slaine is not having a good time, not at all. He just got his ass double outsmarted by both of the princesses and unknowingly showed his true colors in front of Asseylum herself. He brought this upon himself, that dumbass. I've pointed out his fatal blunders in the previous ep and it leads up to this moment. Still, the two princesses themselves are no more than figureheads, them threatening Slaine is like a president urging his war general to stop. |
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| I hope the Deucalion's next operation is a strike at the moon base to take down that bastard Slaine. |
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| The trick Asseylum and her sister pulled there was employed wonderfully. Unfortunately, Asseylum didn't have the guts to shoot Slaine, and forgot that she was just a figurehead anyway, meaning her authority didn't count for much when the military arm of the Vers Empire only follows Slaine. For a second I thought Lemrina was really going to shoot Asseylum, but I suppose having her "die" four (or three, if you don't count the double) times would be a bit too ridiculous. |
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