Wandering Witch: The Journey of Elaina (light novel)
| The show has its wholesome moments, yes, but it's balanced out with the more serious and grim undertones of certain chapters/story segments. With something like that in play, it'd be rather easy for an impish staff member or two to sneak in fanservice to try to mellow things out (more so in the wrong way, imo). Hence why the author warned them. That also confirms how devoted he is with his work, though. |
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| I want my パンツ. |
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| Yeah I saw this story about the panty shots. It's kind of a pathetic hang up imo and... well, I'll copy-paste my thoughts on why I think it conflicts with otaku culture from another platform where I was talking about this: But knowing that the creator - and I haven't actually read any articles in depth as to what he said so I'm paraphrasing - specifically asked for no panty shots because he wanted it to be wholesome... it's the attitude that bothers me. It seems to me the culture of anime and otaku fandom is rooted in seeing no big distinction between sexual content and "wholesome" content. There are tons of anime - a huge part of the appeal of anime - that does "cute-sexy" where the shows is relaxing and "nice/soft" while also being sexy. The idea that sexual content is in some way "low-brow" / dirty / ... you know... impure... not "wholesome". That, to me, seems to be a largely western attitude which has become more prevalent in anime in recent times as we've seen less sexiness alongside cute/SOL content as well as less sexiness in the dramatic/"serious" content, and it seems to me more the case that sexy shows are kind of pushed aside in to their own little corner so the narrow-minded prudes can enjoy their "serious", "high-brow" content. It's such a shame we have no many of these people in our own community who can't appreciate some sexiness in an innocent way and always think it "dirties" shows, rather than adding an extra flavor to the experience. Anime is sexy. The moe art style is built on a certain idealization of cute-sexy feminine beauty. Sex is inherent to anime. I wish more people accepted that. Also part of it is pretentious teenagers who make me think of that stereotype from old movies where they're going "ewww girls! cooties!"... like they're pretending they don't like them. Only they take that attitude even further by shunning all sexuality in media entirely in a really snobbish way as if they think they're being high-brow, when in fact they're the ones being childish. |
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YossaRedMage said: Yeah I saw this story about the panty shots. It's kind of a pathetic hang up imo and... well, I'll copy-paste my thoughts on why I think it conflicts with otaku culture from another platform where I was talking about this: But knowing that the creator - and I haven't actually read any articles in depth as to what he said so I'm paraphrasing - specifically asked for no panty shots because he wanted it to be wholesome... it's the attitude that bothers me. It seems to me the culture of anime and otaku fandom is rooted in seeing no big distinction between sexual content and "wholesome" content. There are tons of anime - a huge part of the appeal of anime - that does "cute-sexy" where the shows is relaxing and "nice/soft" while also being sexy. The idea that sexual content is in some way "low-brow" / dirty / ... you know... impure... not "wholesome". That, to me, seems to be a largely western attitude which has become more prevalent in anime in recent times as we've seen less sexiness alongside cute/SOL content as well as less sexiness in the dramatic/"serious" content, and it seems to me more the case that sexy shows are kind of pushed aside in to their own little corner so the narrow-minded prudes can enjoy their "serious", "high-brow" content. It's such a shame we have no many of these people in our own community who can't appreciate some sexiness in an innocent way and always think it "dirties" shows, rather than adding an extra flavor to the experience. Anime is sexy. The moe art style is built on a certain idealization of cute-sexy feminine beauty. Sex is inherent to anime. I wish more people accepted that. Also part of it is pretentious teenagers who make me think of that stereotype from old movies where they're going "ewww girls! cooties!"... like they're pretending they don't like them. Only they take that attitude even further by shunning all sexuality in media entirely in a really snobbish way as if they think they're being high-brow, when in fact they're the ones being childish. I wish this website had a feature upvote or thanks for forum posts. Agree wholeheartedly with all of this. |
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Andan210 said: YossaRedMage said: Yeah I saw this story about the panty shots. It's kind of a pathetic hang up imo and... well, I'll copy-paste my thoughts on why I think it conflicts with otaku culture from another platform where I was talking about this: It's such a shame we have no many of these people in our own community who can't appreciate some sexiness in an innocent way and always think it "dirties" shows, rather than adding an extra flavor to the experience. Anime is sexy. The moe art style is built on a certain idealization of cute-sexy feminine beauty. Sex is inherent to anime. I wish more people accepted that. Also part of it is pretentious teenagers who make me think of that stereotype from old movies where they're going "ewww girls! cooties!"... like they're pretending they don't like them. Only they take that attitude even further by shunning all sexuality in media entirely in a really snobbish way as if they think they're being high-brow, when in fact they're the ones being childish. I wish this website had a feature upvote or thanks for forum posts. Agree wholeheartedly with all of this. Hah! Thanks, but in my experience on r/anime these kinds of messages aren't received well. Though I guess you're just saying upvote/thanks, not necessarily with a downvote feature... Yeah, that would be nice. Once again, appreciate the comment. Replies like yours to this sort of stuff, in addition to the lack of downvote, is why this website is the best for real anime fans and not r/anime. Suavacious said: This is a snobbish opinion too though. Do you think there's a difference between being so unenlightened or prudish that you can't appreciate sexuality in art, and wanting an adaptation of your work to stand on its own merits, without having to rely on objectifying camera angles inserted in to make the show more entertaining for certain viewers (and less entertaining for others)? While it is true that ecchi is looked down upon by certain members of the community, this is not that. The Majo no Tabitabi LN is not written with ecchi in mind, no one who reads a description of Elaina flying in the sky would 'picture' that scene from a camera angle looking up her skirt, except maybe perverts. To include fanservice scenes like that would be to change the the nature of the author's work. 1. Objectification is a made-up problem created by and proliferated by sex-negative people. There's nothing wrong with appreciating the sexual attractiveness of a human body. The very fact you would use the term... well, I wouldn't usually respond to people like you, but for the benefit of others, I wanted to address something else you said, or rather implied. 2. I'm not saying the anime should have sexuality in it. Certainly, the author's intention is paramount. I believe very strongly, that when it comes to art, there should be no interference, censorship, editing, or anything else that impedes the expression of the author. What I have a problem with is the attitude that would lead someone to ask specifically for no panty shots. The author could quite easily tell the production company to keep it non-sexual if he that's what he wanted. But to specifically say "no panty shots" is petty. Either the show is supposed to be sexy or not. Now, there's another argument to had that all anime girls are in some sense sexy - that it's part of the art style, and I think you'd be a fool to argue against that, but sure there are shows which are actively sexy and those which are not. If this show was meant to be actively sexy, then why put a random line in the sand at panty shots? If it isn't meant to be sexy, then, again, why say no panty shots specifically? And again, it's fine with regards to the work, the authors direction for his own work is paramount, and so far Majo no Tabitabi has been excellent. I'm merely criticizing the attitude behind that statement. I'll reiterate that I haven't read the article and no intention to. If the comments from the author have been misinterpreted or taken out of context for click bait, then perhaps what I say is irrelevant in this instance. But I think the commentary I've put out on sex in anime is important so it was worth the time. God there's so many other things in the above quote I want to criticize but I gave up seriously debating with people on here a long time ago. I was only using the quote to clarify to other people my position on the issue. |
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| GOOD!! I don't know who the hell is watching this and is like "This is good but you know what, I really want to see Elaina's panties". Guess people'll get horny over any anime girl regardless of what the show is like lol. I just don't think that sort of thing would really fit into the tone of the show. |
elzbachOct 24, 2020 9:46 PM
Andan210 said: YossaRedMage said: Yeah I saw this story about the panty shots. It's kind of a pathetic hang up imo and... well, I'll copy-paste my thoughts on why I think it conflicts with otaku culture from another platform where I was talking about this: It's such a shame we have no many of these people in our own community who can't appreciate some sexiness in an innocent way and always think it "dirties" shows, rather than adding an extra flavor to the experience. Anime is sexy. The moe art style is built on a certain idealization of cute-sexy feminine beauty. Sex is inherent to anime. I wish more people accepted that. Also part of it is pretentious teenagers who make me think of that stereotype from old movies where they're going "ewww girls! cooties!"... like they're pretending they don't like them. Only they take that attitude even further by shunning all sexuality in media entirely in a really snobbish way as if they think they're being high-brow, when in fact they're the ones being childish. I wish this website had a feature upvote or thanks for forum posts. Agree wholeheartedly with all of this. If upvotes and downvotes were available in forums I wonder how many downvotes that post will get. |
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| So the anime industry has reached a point where author has to specifically request for such a thing!? I thought panty-shots are a thing mostly in ecchi and harem shows. YossaRedMage said: Basically, make anime that will appeal more to the male demographic .Yeah I saw this story about the panty shots. It's kind of a pathetic hang up imo and... well, I'll copy-paste my thoughts on why I think it conflicts with otaku culture from another platform where I was talking about this: But knowing that the creator - and I haven't actually read any articles in depth as to what he said so I'm paraphrasing - specifically asked for no panty shots because he wanted it to be wholesome... it's the attitude that bothers me. It seems to me the culture of anime and otaku fandom is rooted in seeing no big distinction between sexual content and "wholesome" content. There are tons of anime - a huge part of the appeal of anime - that does "cute-sexy" where the shows is relaxing and "nice/soft" while also being sexy. The idea that sexual content is in some way "low-brow" / dirty / ... you know... impure... not "wholesome". That, to me, seems to be a largely western attitude which has become more prevalent in anime in recent times as we've seen less sexiness alongside cute/SOL content as well as less sexiness in the dramatic/"serious" content, and it seems to me more the case that sexy shows are kind of pushed aside in to their own little corner so the narrow-minded prudes can enjoy their "serious", "high-brow" content. It's such a shame we have no many of these people in our own community who can't appreciate some sexiness in an innocent way and always think it "dirties" shows, rather than adding an extra flavor to the experience. Anime is sexy. The moe art style is built on a certain idealization of cute-sexy feminine beauty. Sex is inherent to anime. I wish more people accepted that. Also part of it is pretentious teenagers who make me think of that stereotype from old movies where they're going "ewww girls! cooties!"... like they're pretending they don't like them. Only they take that attitude even further by shunning all sexuality in media entirely in a really snobbish way as if they think they're being high-brow, when in fact they're the ones being childish. By the way author said he didn't want panty shots because he wanted people from a wide range of age-groups to watch it. 「下着は絶対に見せないでください」ということのみ、お願いさせていただきました。幅広い年齢層の方たちに見ていただきたいと思っている作品ですので、レンジは広く保ちたいなと。こちらからお伝えした大きな要望はそれくらいです。 You can read the interview here. |
| No pantyshots? Great choice! Now it explains this shot from the first episode. |
| My stance on these matters is extremely neutral. For any particular anime, my opinion is, if they have fanservice included in it, fine - I may or may not enjoy it depending on the aesthetics, personality, or role of the character/characters in question, its execution, the overall tone of the show, how well it's integrated, etc. And if they opt not to include even a shred of it, that's fine too. I take both instances as just the creative team (original author or writing team, director, etc.) telling the exact type of story they want to tell. So I never find myself being put off or "offended" by its inclusion nor left wanting or deprived by its exclusion. |
YossaRedMage said: Andan210 said: I wish this website had a feature upvote or thanks for forum posts. Agree wholeheartedly with all of this. Hah! Thanks, but in my experience on r/anime these kinds of messages aren't received well. Though I guess you're just saying upvote/thanks, not necessarily with a downvote feature... Yeah, that would be nice. Once again, appreciate the comment. Replies like yours to this sort of stuff, in addition to the lack of downvote, is why this website is the best for real anime fans and not r/anime. You're welcome. Yes, a downvote feature will no doubt be abused in here, just like it's abused in Reddit. A simple thanks feature would be useful to highlight good and informative posts. Scordolo said: Andan210 said: I wish this website had a feature upvote or thanks for forum posts. Agree wholeheartedly with all of this. If upvotes and downvotes were available in forums I wonder how many downvotes that post will get. Well yeah, this forums are filled to the brim with puritanicals that cry, whine and scream everytime human sexuality is portrayed in some way in anime, so they'll surely downvote people calling them out on their stupidity. That's why I only talked about a thanks/upvote feature. |
| The only True Ending is the Harem Ending. |
| The creator wanted his art to be seen a certain way and I fully support any creator in that. Just as much as I support creators who want tons of pantyshots in their show I also support creators who want none. |
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| Is that the only "flaw" the creator is worried about? What about *cough* boring ass MC *cough*? |
| Lol @YossaRedMage. How big of a rabbit hole do you have to dig just to justify yourself liking those ecchi shows that you're currently watching? Its quite clear the author isnt catering to some SJW shit; he just specifically doesnt want the protagonist of his own god damned work to not flash her panties. God forbid. |
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| This show is anything but wholesome. |
Andan210 said: Well yeah, this forums are filled to the brim with puritanicals that cry, whine and scream everytime human sexuality is portrayed in some way in anime, so they'll surely downvote people calling them out on their stupidity. That's why I only talked about a thanks/upvote feature. how about you stop crying,whining and screaming about a random anime not having panty shots first ? |
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Eladriel said: Andan210 said: Well yeah, this forums are filled to the brim with puritanicals that cry, whine and scream everytime human sexuality is portrayed in some way in anime, so they'll surely downvote people calling them out on their stupidity. That's why I only talked about a thanks/upvote feature. how about you stop crying,whining and screaming about a random anime not having panty shots first ? Did I hit a nerve? I was talking about the general attitude of people on these forums in relation to that subject. I wasn't talking about the preferences of the author of Majo no Tabitabi (and just to clarify, the author's intentions and decisions for his own work are absolute and shouldn't be changed by anyone). |
| The only True Ending is the Harem Ending. |
Andan210 said: Eladriel said: how about you stop crying,whining and screaming about a random anime not having panty shots first ? Did I hit a nerve? I was talking about the general attitude of people on these forums in relation to that subject. I wasn't talking about the preferences of the author of Majo no Tabitabi (and just to clarify, the author's intentions and decisions for his own work are absolute and shouldn't be changed by anyone). throwing stupid labels at people who disagree on something as stupid as panty shots in an anime screams insecurity to me, something that you ecchi folk suffer from alot |
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Eladriel said: Andan210 said: Did I hit a nerve? I was talking about the general attitude of people on these forums in relation to that subject. I wasn't talking about the preferences of the author of Majo no Tabitabi (and just to clarify, the author's intentions and decisions for his own work are absolute and shouldn't be changed by anyone). throwing stupid labels at people who disagree on something as stupid as panty shots in an anime screams insecurity to me, something that you ecchi folk suffer from alot So your complaint is about throwing labels at groups of people, and you make this complaint while throwing a label to a group of people? Seriously, projection is strong here. |
| The only True Ending is the Harem Ending. |
| It is nice to have a show I can actually relax watching.... I like my pantyshots to stay in ecchi or otherwise predictable fanservice anime. Having to worry I will see panties in every single anime I watch is annoying. And I don’t mind fanservice done well. I even love it. But just want more shows to be like this. Especially because I want to show anime to my younger family members. |
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| Ah yes, very wholesome series. It's so wholesome that they mention Elaina's panties and breast size a couple of times. OP's title is fake news. |
| Why care about some panties when there's those bare legs just below... |
oh yeah no pantyshots, but nudes and fetishes yes |
 That's not a very wholesome thing to say D: |
| no pantyshots just commando. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
Stormen said: Otaku's are becoming more and more trash in my eyes for every passing day. They can't go further below rock-bottom. It's been like this for decades. |
Stormen said: Otaku's are becoming more and more trash in my eyes for every passing day. Cause those people nowadays want too much of the really forced as fuck fanservice you see from some shit like To Love Ru, Rosario Vampire, Monster Musume, Ikki Tousen, DxD, and High School of the Tra--, I mean, Dead. Kill La Kill falls under that, too, but tbf, that particular show's "philosophy" literally ran off it like diesel fuel. I guess those sort of series are something akin to acquired fetishes and a part of the Japanese anime culture, but when that bleeds into series that don't literally scream "fanservice/ecchi" with their key visual or synopsis, I often have a big problem with that. |
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| Haven’t seen episode yet, just wanna add how this is foreshadowing some wholesomeness hmmmm yes........... By the way anyone knows how I can get access to (translated versions of) the spin off?  |
StarboomNov 27, 2020 8:46 AM
| I have not yet seen this anime. but this thread is crazily hyping me. Can't wait to watch it once it ends. |
| @A-Joy i see i wasn't the only one that noticed so doe that mean that she just walks around commando? |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| I like that this isnt a fanservice anime. I can finally watch something without having to have pants shoved in my face. I dont mind the odd anime that have it but honestly it annoys me how much anime has pant shots a lot. Cant i just watch something nice and not shoved towards mans crotch. (And yeah idc if people hate - but to me fanservice has just taken anime too much and it annoys me now.) I love that this show shows a witch journeying her adventure. It needs no panty shot or it'll looked forced and out of place imo. |
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rsc-pl said: Holy shit, how horny are you?Maou_heika said: So the anime industry has reached a point where author has to specifically request for such a thing!? I thought panty-shots are a thing mostly in ecchi and harem shows. Holy shit, how new are you? You didn't watch anything <2007, right? Anime nowadays is way less fanservicey than it was back then. And by "way less" I mean by far. You don't watch anything other than fanservicy anime, right? |
| imagine having to justify not wanting some underaged girls panties rubbed in your face in every single anime. Ecchi fanservice really has become too much of the norm. Thats not to say I cant appreciate some good fanservice anime, Im watching Strike Witches afterall. The show has probably the highest pantyshot/frame ratio out there. But I certainly dont need it everywhere. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| "Wholesome" ah ah ahahah ahahahahahah Little did we know how "wholesome" this witch's journey would be <3 |
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| I sure love myself some wholesome decapitated head |
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gintokisbicep said: it's an adventure show about a witch going to different countries- how desperate do you have to be to want to see some panties. there's a whole fucking genre for that- just go to that lol. also idk why people are putting in the fact that she takes baths and the fact that they joke about her having small tits and all- bro how is that sexy. please go outside and touch some grass if you think that counts as non-wholesome content. every show has that. the recent episode literally had a nine year old get her head ripped off her body. what more could you want. Yup fanservice "BAD" Gore ist "GOOD" esp with flying heads and lots of blood!!! Totally wholesome anime. |
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| I love this wholesome anime - Thank you its very refreshing |
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| No complaints here. Panties belong in ecchi and hentai shows; we really don't need them in other genres. :/ I'm glad he made that request! If the author doesn't want it, that is that. I don't think asking this is "petty" at all? Rumiko also asked animators not to show Kagome's panties in Inuyasha and they obeyed and the result was good. |
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