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Dec 20, 2019 8:48 AM
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Shinra isn't just fighting for himself here. Looks like he has the support of his family even though they're not physically there with him.

They really raised the stakes of this arc/battle. Shinra's fighting on another level here. I love how he refuses to stay down though. Only 2 mores to go.
Dec 20, 2019 10:18 AM
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wut?

So we're just going to take a third-party exposition about how Shinra went from being able to run fast to creating black holes with his feet in like 7 minutes.

Alright then.
Dec 20, 2019 10:19 AM
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At this point I only have one advice for this anime; don't stop airing.
It needs like a hundred of episodes to lessen people's expectation to zero, and then sneak a good episode or two once in a while to surprise them, like Black Clover.
No one will missed this anime if it only has this mediocre 24 episodes.
Dec 20, 2019 10:21 AM
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This fight was pretty serious and yet also hilarious because Shinra insisted on keep playing tag lol.
Dec 20, 2019 10:21 AM
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7godeohs said:
wut?

So we're just going to take a third-party exposition about how Shinra went from being able to run fast to creating black holes with his feet in like 7 minutes.

Alright then.

Some call it a "power pull" from the depths of... dark and deep places. Which might or might not be associated with "weak writing".
OR you can call it a self-insert. Which is even more sad.
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Dec 20, 2019 10:23 AM
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Great fight between the two brothers
Dec 20, 2019 10:27 AM
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damn if only the sakuga animators did this episode it will be awesome!

and i finally understand the pseudoscience of the power of Sho he basically cools the universe as Licht said and its related to 2nd law of thermodynamics with entropy being the arrow of time or time is cause by entropy (the decline of everything to disorder/death is link to measure of change or time)

Sho might be stronger than Hit of Dragonball Super with his timeskip ability because Sho can do it for much longer

and best bad girl of this anime is finally here Haumea!



Dec 20, 2019 10:30 AM
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bros before hoes type fight! lol i'm playing :) woww 2 more episodes and it doesn't feel like any progression. don't know how to describe.


Dec 20, 2019 10:34 AM
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Putting aside the weird ass science, that was a shounen-fight-talk-no-jutsu-power-up if I've ever seen one.

At least Haumea looks and sounds cool. And has feet. Someone, please, get these people their feet back.
Dec 20, 2019 10:38 AM
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I like and enjoy this show, but this was shounen fighting at it's very worst. Endless talking and power ups and we have to put up with the smug little piece of shit of brother talking down to him endlessly. All to end without any resolution to their battle. I hope it gets sorted either way early in the next episode.
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Dec 20, 2019 10:41 AM
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So we finally see the Evangelist for the first time. The fight betweeb Shinra and Sho was so intense and I loved Licht's third party explanantions. The appearance of Haumea at this point of time was unexpected as well; more so that she could see the fight.

Wonder if Shinra will be able to hold out for much longer and will Sho end it. Looking forward to next weeks ep
Dec 20, 2019 10:41 AM

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The fight between Shinra and Sho was okay I guess.

Dec 20, 2019 10:55 AM

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The fight was pretty cool.

Now that Shinra learned his new power, and the explication from the Scientist dude, plus that weird smile from Shinra.

I think he's going to go back in time to save his brother when he was still a baby.
Dec 20, 2019 10:56 AM
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7godeohs said:
wut?

So we're just going to take a third-party exposition about how Shinra went from being able to run fast to creating black holes with his feet in like 7 minutes.

Alright then.


To be honest it is better that the explanation was generic because if it was done like in the manga it would have been A) too difficult for the majority who have zero clues about physics to understand B) those with either half knowledge or others who are Wikipedia smartasses would came to say what is right and what is wrong like they always do.

Conclusion it is better they skipped all this and turn into a generic text.



Dec 20, 2019 11:26 AM
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Oh shit ....cliffhanger.
Dec 20, 2019 11:42 AM

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Basically Jotaro vs Dio all over again.
Dec 20, 2019 11:55 AM

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I was looking forward to an explanation, but this exceeded my expectations. I'm just not sure whether it was in a positive or negative way...

m3ccaryn said:
Basically Jotaro vs Dio all over again.


Lol, definitely the poor man version.

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Dec 20, 2019 11:58 AM

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I love this show, each episode feels so short

That "Good Luck, Onii-chan" from Licht was fucking hilarious.

The Severed Universe looked so cool!

And of course, another hot girl. This show never fails at that xD.
Dec 20, 2019 12:14 PM
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There are lots of anime trying to use science to further their stories this year (Dr Stone, Astra, Fire Force, etc) and I am here for it!
Dec 20, 2019 12:20 PM
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Wow.... Shinra Is gotten pretty powerful. And he can keep up with Sho now.. This is great. Well... I'm so excited to see what is going to happen in the next episode.
Dec 20, 2019 1:12 PM

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Wow.... Shinra Is gotten pretty powerful. And he can keep up with Sho now.. This is great. Well... I'm so excited to see what is going to happen in the next episode.


Its great? A forced bad protagonist that gets stronger despite being it already without any good reason, can be slashed like 100 times with a sword and still fights like its nothing, that really is great? No, is just bad.

Please, start open your eyes when watching this anime.
Dec 20, 2019 1:28 PM

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So a fight where Shinra reached light speed and can stop time now with black holes? Sho being able to stop time by messing with thermal expansion in the universe.. It does seem a bit much, but after that great episode last week, this feels like a bit of a letdown... I hope we'll reach atleast some sort of conclusion for this battle next week.
Dec 20, 2019 1:29 PM

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A brother's determination.

well put title and new stuff is always entertaining to watch, the evengilist seems like a divine persona.
Dec 20, 2019 1:33 PM
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That was amazing...
Dec 20, 2019 1:53 PM
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Guifnogueira said:
_Lintrom_ said:
Wow.... Shinra Is gotten pretty powerful. And he can keep up with Sho now.. This is great. Well... I'm so excited to see what is going to happen in the next episode.


Its great? A forced bad protagonist that gets stronger despite being it already without any good reason, can be slashed like 100 times with a sword and still fights like its nothing, that really is great? No, is just bad.

Please, start open your eyes when watching this anime.


1rst of all the powering up did not came out of the ass before entering the neither to fight the white clads at least they trained or did you forgot about it ?

2nd you say he got a powering without any good reason i have you the reason he wanted to save his little bro.

Did you even watch the episode because there are legitimate people who have dropped the anime but came here and act like they still watching posting opinions like wtf?

Sho does not fight to kill shinra did you forgot they want shinra because of adolla burst?

Shinra is a part of their grand plan of whatever that is so ofc shinra won't die sho
is not fighting to kill but he is in those cases where he has to damage him enough to send him unconscious without killing him.


As for the powering ups i would have agreed if it had not explained that he forced
a link with his brother and because his brother had a link with the evangelist that made shinra to automatic receive a blessing like i don't know why people call that an asspull.

You guys have zero clue what are asspulls apparentely let me give you an example of how that would have been an asspull.

If shinra explanation from getting the powering up was: "i got it because of (nakama) powering up "of by some emotional brotherly bullshit like: " yes we are brothers that's why i got stronger automatic to save you" like if that was like something like this i would have gone riot.

I do not know why people make this a big of a deal but i am actually pretty satisfied with the explanation like i consider it a decent excuse for the powering up it wasn't some really absurd bullshit like most shounen are pulling and make you angry.

Anyway, i am gonna agree that i was expecting the action to be on par with the previous episode it was still good but not on par with the previous episode and definitely not better as an action let's hope the action is better in the next episodes.


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Dec 20, 2019 2:28 PM
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i really don't know how people arr calling shinras powers asspull it was being set up from the 1 episode that shinras main thing was going really fast and being faster then the enemy and shinras new power are scientifically explained and are real too
are you gonna call pregnancy an asspull too
Dec 20, 2019 2:32 PM

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Well i will not write something so big like you just to seem that i have the reason and i know what im talking about like you did.

First, Shinra is a bad character his development since the 1st episode is null and he's strong just because they need him to be, it doesn't have any good explanation, the writing of this story isn't even good and really you are talking about that training? (if we can even call it trainning of course) Just because he did a pose with his fingers you think its a good reason for him to have something like speed of light, black holes and that kind of shit? It isn't.
The character is just forced, and you can say anything you want, that will not change the fact that its true.

"You guys have zero clue what are asspulls apparentely"

really wtf, the only one who doesn't know what an asspull is , is you.

I only wanted to say this, and i don't have the need to reply to another comment of yours here. its all said
Dec 20, 2019 2:33 PM
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So Shinra's adolla burst reminds me of Eren Yeager's coordinate a bit. They're both extremely OP but only work under specific conditions (being linked to the evangelist directly or indirectly, touching a titan with royal blood).
Dec 20, 2019 2:42 PM
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So thats the evangelist huh. Kinda of does look like a puppet master. Still the fight between Sho and Shinra really shows how much the latter's skills have grown since his training compared to Shinra's. Still its fun seeing Shinra's speed get faster as he harness his power while also affecting Sho's composure with the memories as well. The high speed battle between the two sure was impressive. Its interesting in that Shinra's burst speed ability is akin to that of teleportation. Looks like this battle really is starting to heat up from this point on.
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Dec 20, 2019 2:42 PM

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Guifnogueira said:
_Lintrom_ said:
Wow.... Shinra Is gotten pretty powerful. And he can keep up with Sho now.. This is great. Well... I'm so excited to see what is going to happen in the next episode.


Its great? A forced bad protagonist that gets stronger despite being it already without any good reason, can be slashed like 100 times with a sword and still fights like its nothing, that really is great? No, is just bad.

Please, start open your eyes when watching this anime.


You really ought to OPEN your eyes because it was explained how Shinra got stronger.
And it was also explained why Shinra didnt die from Sho's attacks...
Dec 20, 2019 2:43 PM
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lol Shinras power is not an asspull considering he and Sho are powering up due to the Adolla Link with the Evangelist

Shos thermal expansion ability is rather weird to be called pyrokinesis since its actually not creating fire but only cooling the area although controlling heat is part of pyrokinesis and not just creating heat/fire

thermal expansion -> cooling the area -> stop entropy the arrow of time (2nd law of thermodynamics) -> stop time
Dec 20, 2019 2:49 PM

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I feel like sho and shinra's abilities in this fight were better explained in the manga but besides that loved it
Dec 20, 2019 2:51 PM
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Kanetopher said:
I feel like sho and shinra's abilities in this fight were better explained in the manga but besides that loved it


really? the manga have more words and really confusing or maybe it got bad english translation

to me the anime better explained in few words the ability of them both
Dec 20, 2019 2:58 PM
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Guifnogueira said:
Well i will not write something so big like you just to seem that i have the reason and i know what im talking about like you did.

First, Shinra is a bad character his development since the 1st episode is null and he's strong just because they need him to be, it doesn't have any good explanation, the writing of this story isn't even good and really you are talking about that training? (if we can even call it trainning of course) Just because he did a pose with his fingers you think its a good reason for him to have something like speed of light, black holes and that kind of shit? It isn't.
The character is just forced, and you can say anything you want, that will not change the fact that its true.

"You guys have zero clue what are asspulls apparentely"

really wtf, the only one who doesn't know what an asspull is , is you.

I only wanted to say this, and i don't have the need to reply to another comment of yours here. its all said




It is difficult to evolve a character when he is in the first season of a series, so for now it is enough to show the events from his perspective and make him experience what the world of the series is like. Up to that point, Shinra has been doing well to be the first season, so I don't think it's a bad protagonist or a forced one. He won a battle with a lieutenant and a captain, but it was shown that rank is not equivalent to the force in the first arc, so there is no problem in it

on the other hand, shinra is not accelerating at the speed of light just by the pose of the fingers. It is accelerating because it is linked to the adolla link with sho, which can "" "" "" stop time "" "" "". if he were not linked to the evangelist by sho, he could not go at the speed of light, so it is a somewhat limited power. what you said that does not have a good explanation does not make sense, because licht already explained why it is (in the manga it is better explained)

Finally, the story is not misspelled:
a power scale was defined that is not based on ranges
the series created an enemy that works long term in the series
some characters were given some background
the foundations of worldbuilding have already been laid and as a manga reader, I tell you that they are carried out very well

I don't speak English, so I can have some (maybe several) spelling mistakes
Dec 20, 2019 4:24 PM

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Welp, the "brother's determination" fight is as wonky as the OP itself, looks like they're not kidding here. And getting to see the Evangelist for the 1st time. However, the whole thing about the Adolla Link is taken out of context in the anime while the manga explained it fully (with Licht).

To be able to utilize the Adolla Link to create an Adolla Burst is within Shinra's reach to match Sho's counterpower. But that power comes great sacrifice to save the little brother he knows that is within reach.

Not bad but not great either...
Dec 20, 2019 5:28 PM

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Ah - Haumea, aka Princess SideBoob, is here! Shinra really needs to "link" with her rather than playing with his little brother... LOL
Dec 20, 2019 6:41 PM
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m3ccaryn said:
Basically Jotaro vs Dio all over again.

my thought exactly
Dec 20, 2019 8:25 PM

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Awesome! Episode
Hype as Fire 🔥
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Dec 20, 2019 10:26 PM

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Like... when you try really hard to give a "reasonable" explanation to your typical "shounen power up". It indeed seems like a bit too much considering how conventional Fire Force is as a shounen but well. If the author wants to go full thermodynamics/physics with his work, so be it.

Anyways, leaving that aside, we got a full action-packed episode yet I liked the animation of the previous one way more. We also got the usual awfully placed comedy in the middle of a fight but thankfully, it wasn't as jarring as other times.

Two more episodes to go.
Dec 20, 2019 11:58 PM

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if the previous episode was EPIC! this episode is 200% much more EPIC!
The Litch scientist was so curious and explaining things about going faster beyond time it reverses time and mentioned about black holes! wow! i'm intrigued! I wonder if shinra became strongest with his powers 100% fully control and became an adult, how powerful godlike fast and other abilities can he achieve!?!?!
5/5!!!


Dec 21, 2019 12:20 AM

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7godeohs said:
wut?

So we're just going to take a third-party exposition about how Shinra went from being able to run fast to creating black holes with his feet in like 7 minutes.

Alright then.


Facts. This fight is pure nonsensical trash.
Dec 21, 2019 1:23 AM

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ummm okay, though im a bit bored and found it ridiculous... like shinra stabbed and slashed so many times and he is fine, well its shounen of course this will happen sometimes.

i hope they saving the best sakuga for last 2 episodes
Dec 21, 2019 2:26 AM
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Sho straight up just has a JoJo villian ability and Shinra randomly gains Golden Requiem
Dec 21, 2019 4:34 AM
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Wait.. so I can bring my grandma from death if I dag her grave and threw her bones faster than the speed of light?
Dec 21, 2019 4:47 AM

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The logic has become nonsensical really fast but I'm still enjoying this fight.
Dec 21, 2019 5:10 AM
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love the battle scene here as shinra is starting to get used of his adolla link... they might have the same function with sho which is to stop time but the mechanism for it to work is way different, therefore making the battle so interesting. yeah
Dec 21, 2019 8:06 AM

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Like... when you try really hard to give a "reasonable" explanation to your typical "shounen power up". It indeed seems like a bit too much considering how conventional Fire Force is as a shounen but well. If the author wants to go full thermodynamics/physics with his work, so be it


The writing for this anime is really bad, i can't even take it seriously. The asspull from Shinra is almost worst than fairy tail chracters xD
One thing that i love about Black Clover is that you can see a good development in Asta, but on Shinra you can't see that, we are in episode 22 and he's still the same like he was in the first ep, nothing changed despiste de asspulls.
Dec 21, 2019 8:39 AM

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People will watch fights like today and still try to call Fire force mid lmao, big L.
Dec 21, 2019 8:47 AM
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Okay, I don't even know if I'm impressed or just dumbfounded by the "science" of this particular show.

Good lord, who is this "Evangelist" though? Some sort of a provider like a "God" of sorts? And what the heck did that villian, Matsuoka Yoshitsugu's CV I'm certain, mean by saying he's not human?

Lots of Questions... I doubt the next two episode will solve them all but here's to hoping for some workable hints to crack this.

It's honestly baffling how Sho whacking Shinra with the sword multiple times still hasn't managed to finish him off, on another note. At first, I thought it'd be a blunt sword but he managed to penetrate through Shinra quite easily when he wanted to so I'm a little unconvinced by the logic behind this too.

Shinra going on about the game of 'tag' sure felt off to say the least as well. The two are complete on different wavelengths here, I've to say. Licht with the "Gambatte, Onii-chan" sure was hilarious though xD.

The fight wasn't as extravagant as last episodes' quite admittedly but I still thought it was great this episode. I'm not sure if it's worth the complain in all honesty though. But maybe that's just me, who knows.
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Dec 21, 2019 10:36 AM

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I don't like fire force so much

But this episode is amazing. Best episode so far. I love stop time and physics stuff (like time going backward when move faster than light)

I know that there is some asspull powers, but I still loved it anyway
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