| Is there? If yes, then what aspects it had that pleased both sides? Why is it hard to have anime like this? Is that because mainly of analytic reasons or straight up BIAS? |
thewiruFeb 6, 2017 5:58 PM
| both casual and elitists are memes. |
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| if casuals are those that only watch main stream anime then if I'm not mistaken both for the most part like FMA Brotherhood |
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Deknijff said: if casuals are those that only watch main stream anime then if I'm not mistaken both for the most part like FMA Brotherhood I didn't have a word for "Non-Elitist", so i just said casual. |
_Lightsbane said: FMA: Brotherhood and Cowboy Bebop. Ghost in the Shell and Ghibli films, too. |
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| There are quite a few examples I can think of from the top of my head: .FMA (either original or Brotherhood) .Studio Ghibli films (particularly the ones directed by Miyazaki) .Cowboy Bebop .Ghost in the Shell .Akira .Gintama (to an extent, I've seen some elitists who love Gintama) .Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (the anime at least) |
thewiru said: why didn't you just say non elitists... Deknijff said: I didn't have a word for "Non-Elitist", so i just said casual.if casuals are those that only watch main stream anime then if I'm not mistaken both for the most part like FMA Brotherhood that would of totally been fine |
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| Some Masaaki Yuasa shows, NGE, often Mushishi and what the others said Its just theory anyway since they dont exist |
 Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
| Elitist said that casuals have shit taste, if that is the case they shouldn't like the same anime as they do. Another reason why this shit taste stuff is bullshit. |
| One Piece of course, what else? It's great. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
hnnmilam said: Not sure you're kidding or...? Because i've seen many "elitists" said it's totally crap. Those were really just plebs in disguise then. Most are. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Usagi Drop. And it is universally agreed on that the continuation is shit. |
| Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell would probably be the only two things I could think of that would even come close. |
"I'd take rampant lesbianism over nuclear armageddon or a supervolcano any day." ~nikiforova |
| Fate/Zero would probably would. Mature themes and adult characters for the so called elitists and flashy fight scenes with good animation for the casuals to enjoy. |
| Such an anime would have to be both accessible and masterful like Ping Pong |
| FMAB is the easy answer here, the vast majority of all the stuff that's highly rated honestly. |
Immahnoob said: They say Jesus walked on water. People are made out of 79% water. I can walk on people. So I am 79% Jesus. Sourire said: I once fucked an apple pie. |
| Elitists and Non-elitists can agree with Aki-Sora being a great anime. A deep anime with some mature themes about how a relationship between siblings should be. |
SomeEdgeLord said: I WILL report you from this forum if this continues. In real life, I am one of the coldest, unsympathetic, people you'll ever know, who's grown up in an even colder household, you really don't want me to break my persona, I know how to make people feel bad. YearnsforAttention said: hm who has 1656 friends on MAL that's right me bye bye YearnsforAttention said: I don't want your approval how many damn times do I need to say it I enjoy irritating you I am gonna do things MY way |
| The reason being an "elitist" is stupid is because it specifically means that this will NOT happen, since you would never admit that a show that casuals like is good. So the answer is no. But setting aside the elitist/casual tags, I think Brotherhood is the best answer. People like Brotherhood to varying degrees, but I've never seen anyone straight-up trash it (at least anyone who was generally reasonable). |
| hunter x hunter fmab cowboy bebop LoTGH TTGL and i would go out of the limb and say one piece |
| So embarrased with Tensura fans and the fandom, how have we degraded |
Pullman said: I would say the One Piece Manga is more agreed on, and Kingdomhnnmilam said: Not sure you're kidding or...? Because i've seen many "elitists" said it's totally crap. Those were really just plebs in disguise then. Most are. |
| Sup... |
| There's School Days, Glasslip, Mayoiga, etc. |
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| The most hardcore elitists would likely dismiss a show they previously liked if they found out casuals liked it. But I generally find that, as with most labels, these terms are a serious oversimplification. People's personalities and interests don't often fit cleanly into categories. |
| Here we go again. Another elitist thread. Anyway, I think that will FMA:Brotherhood. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| If we speak about animes that most of people (not all of them) agree are good, the first responses who comes to my mind are Death Note and FMAB. |
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| Considering that everyone is individual, obviously yes. Or rather you could basically just say random user x and random user y; they're pretty much guaranteed to both like at least one similar anime. Elitism doesn't have much do with it in that case If you mean to say in general though, I guess some classics like Death Note, FMA:B, Steins;Gate and maybe Cowboy Bebop are probably up there? Arguably Fate/Zero too |
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thewiru said: Is there? If yes, then what aspects it had that pleased both sides? Why is it hard to have anime like this? Is that because mainly of analytic reasons or straight up BIAS? In short, about half of "stereotypical elitist anime list" are good anime that have wide appeal. Most people who have actually seen them agree that they're good. ( The second half is "artsy" anime that simple people would avoid, or fujobait niche anime that appeal to people who seek to validate their manliness, like LoGH. ) The problem is, elitists refuse to recognize that there are other good anime out there. |
| @Flannan The problem is, evil casuals refuse to recognize there are other good anime like FLCL. (Really, these discussions and the arguments used are shit and I'm tired of weebs with zero self-awareness) OT: meh. I see a bunch of people rating Akira and Cowboy Bebop a 4 or 5, I wouldn't say everybody agrees on them. |
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| How many times does someone have to post that casuals and elitists aren't nessecary two opposites? Do we really need ANOTHER elitist thread to make this clear? I've seen enough elitist casuals to know. |
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| Are there any anime that both perverts and non-perverts agree are good? Believe it or not but it's not like this is a "glass half full, glass half empty" kind of thing. While different people may view the quantity halfway between full and empty as being good and others as being bad, the type of liquid that those people like to have in their glass is far more important than their opinion of how to phrase how much is in it. There are elitists who like Naruto and casuals who like LoGH. |
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| Being a causual or not has nothing to do with if you are critical or not. Casual only means you don't watch so much anime per time count compared to others. It is possible for a casual viewer having a very big list if (for example) he watched anime for twenty years. Being critical is also possible since anime is not the only consumable medium out there. "Elitists" on the other hand are people who think they are superior than/look down on others. That's all. It has no relation with taste or anime at all. A so called "casual" (based on MAL definition) can also be an elitist by thinking "those who give low scores are idiots". "Elitist shows" are used for shows that are not easy to understand, not enjoyable for the masses or old. However, this term does not exist at all and is thrown as a buzz word since an unanimous definition doesn't exist. i.e yes it is possible, since everyone is probably using the words wrongly, shoutout to ye boi @kamisama751 for tat def |
Mei-o_ScarlettFeb 7, 2017 4:22 AM
| So embarrased with Tensura fans and the fandom, how have we degraded |
HaXXspetten said: Considering that everyone is individual, obviously yes. Or rather you could basically just say random user x and random user y; they're pretty much guaranteed to both like at least one similar anime. Elitism doesn't have much do with it in that case If you mean to say in general though, I guess some classics like Death Note, FMA:B, Steins;Gate and maybe Cowboy Bebop are probably up there? Arguably Fate/Zero too No elitist but Death Note, FMAB and Steins;Gate are top pleb. No self professed elitist should like those. |
| Signature? I ain't got no signature! I don't need no signature! I don't have to show you any stinkin' signature! |
| there are lot actually, since thay are actually arguably popular (which mean well known to pleb as well), or at least in their own golden age series that didn't age that well... |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Sword Art Online, Re Zero or One Punch Man. There are quite a lot actually |
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Clebardman said: @Flannan The problem is, evil casuals refuse to recognize there are other good anime like FLCL. FLCL is a good example of "artsy" show. It makes no sense, but looks like it should. Of course casuals would not appreciate that. It's not a problem, it's the way things should be. |
| @flannan basically, you're mad because people refuse to lie and say they found some shows you like good, wich makes them evil elitists, but you calling their favs "artsy nonsensical shows" favs is normal and "how things should be". Do you even think about or understand the stuff you're typing? :/ Seriously... |
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| Is the word elitist still a thing? If I had to answer I would say Aria, or Gintama. |
| Well, the consensus on this thread in pretty resounding. So do casuals and elitists like the shows for the same reason? |
| I'm not a lolicon, you're just projecting your tendency to lewd 2D characters. If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
| The highest rated anime (in the top 300) associated with "elitism" with at least 200k votes (Top 250 popularity) are: Cowboy Bebop, NGE, Mushishi, Monster, Berserk and Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. |
| FMAB is probably the best answer. Cowboy Bebop would be a good guess (even though it's shit) as well. Is Fate/Zero in the elitist repertoire? If it is, this one also. Uchuu Kyoudai, but I don't think it has the same level of exposition as the others mentioned above. And of course Saiki Kusuo no Ψ-nan (TV), since it saved anime. |
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kamisama751 said: Scarlett_ryuken said: Being a causual or not has nothing to do with if you are critical or not. Casual only means you don't watch so much anime per time count compared to others. It is possible for a casual viewer having a very big list if (for example) he watched anime for twenty years. Being critical is also possible since anime is not the only consumable medium out there. "Elitists" on the other hand are people who think they are superior than/look down on others. That's all. It has no relation with taste or anime at all. A so called "casual" (based on MAL definition) can also be an elitist by thinking "those who give low scores are idiots". "Elitist shows" are used for shows that are not easy to understand, not enjoyable for the masses or old. However, this term does not exist at all and is thrown as a buzz word since an unanimous definition doesn't exist. i.e yes it is possible, since everyone is probably using the words wrongly, At least quote the person who wrote it. :O tsk exposed by the shit lord, fock ;-; |
| So embarrased with Tensura fans and the fandom, how have we degraded |
Clebardman said: @flannan basically, you're mad because people refuse to pretend they found some shows you like good, wich makes them evil elitists, but you calling their favs "artsy nonsensical shows" favs is normal and "how things should be". Do you even think about or understand the stuff you're typing? :/ Seriously... 1) I do not claim that artsy shows can't be good. Just that they are unlikely to be appreciated by casuals. 2) Elitists claim to be better than casuals. Hence, I put higher demands on them. You think that's unfair? |
| It doesn't exist, the end. |
| @flannan you're the one who claims stuff here. You might also want to read the posts who explain with very simple words what is elitism in every thread like that and why it has literally nothing to do with liking "artsy" shows. I see you in all those threads, but you're still obviously misusing/misunderstanding the term. hint: casual isn't the opposite of elitist, and one can be both at the same time. |
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Clebardman said: @flannan you're the one who claims stuff here. You might also want to read the posts who explain with very simple words what is elitism in every thread like that and why it has literally nothing to do with liking "artsy" shows. I see you in all those threads, but you're still obviously misusing/misunderstanding the term. hint: casual isn't the opposite of elitist, and one can be both at the same time. Elitism is a state of mind. The kind of state of mind that forces people to say things like "your taste is shit" or "watch better anime". I've been on these forums for a while, and I've seen a number of people like that. Most of them probably self-identify as trolls, but that does not matter, because elitists are a subset of trolls. Whether they like anime from "stereotypical elitist anime list" or not does not matter, but many of them seem compelled to praise the shows from the list above all others. The list, as quoted by anybody who quotes it, consists of three categories: really good anime, many of them pretty old; artsy anime for people who value that; grimdark anime for people who value that. These categories have a lot of overlap. There might be "clever" category somewhere, but it overlaps completely with the three categories above for me. |
| there's just two: Inferno cop and Cipher. |
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Clebardman said: @flannan I'm dying. If the world is easier to understand for you when you put everything in little boxes, fine, but don't force your narrow view down people's throats, please. Getting a personalized opinion from me is a privilege people have to earn. Getting a personalized opinion on each post, because they alternate between lying and speaking honestly every time, is being too damn greedy. I'll throw these kinds of opinions in the trash basket, and I would have killed people who do so if they were near me. I am not nice unless you're willing to be nice too. |
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