| Because children (and manchildren) are target demographic for these (shonen) shows. These fans are the main reason we have score manipulation. Also when I watch an anime, I don't like to feed good, I like to feel like shit. Shonen Anime usually paint a lie, show us what we want to see and believe. I'd prefer a lie as a joke, but no presented as something serious. I prefer my soul being crushed. Something that changes my psychology, and / or leaves me bawling. Something that makes me question my beliefs and reality, something that changes my life by giving me depression, followed by some amount of hope. I only watch Shonen if it has god tier animation, or a bad (realistic) ending. |
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Ventus_S said: No, for shonen in general. And do you really think that Kimetsu no Yaiba is an outdated, overly formulaic shonen based on old tropes? Seriously? Lol if this show came out during the peak of the classic battle shonens it would have been a much bigger hit several times over. This show is one of the pioneers of the edgy dark fantasy that took over from Bleach and Naruto when Shonen Jump ended most of their major hits in the mid 10s.RobertBobert said: Do I rly have to.. name it? For example? What kind of shonens do you find like this? Also, Oshi no Ko was never pure "drama" in that sense, it's a typical seinen idol show about the dark side of show business. I thought this topic is made for Demon Slayer... |
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salarx said: Nice try, Mr Anno. But you can't fool me.Because children (and manchildren) are target demographic for these (shonen) shows. These fans are the main reason we have score manipulation. Also when I watch an anime, I don't like to feed good, I like to feel like shit. Shonen Anime usually paint a lie, show us what we want to see and believe. I'd prefer a lie as a joke, but no presented as something serious. I prefer my soul being crushed. Something that changes my psychology, and / or leaves me bawling. Something that makes me question my beliefs and reality, something that changes my life by giving me depression, followed by some amount of hope. I only watch Shonen if it has god tier animation, or a bad (realistic) ending. |
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kuuderes_shadow said: You reminded me of the SAO haters who were notorious for being as punctual in keeping track of the franchise as the most dedicated fans lol. Also, is it still fashionable to hate this show?Something becomes popular and fans rave about it People who aren't fans see this raving and decide to look into the series even though they know it isn't something they will like Some of them do so specifically so that they can argue with these fans This last group of people are vocal and obnoxious but other people think they're cool or are convinced by their arguments, and parrot their opinions without having actually seen the series in question Suddenly people think it's hated and the done thing is to insult it People know this and thus form more negative impressions on it than they would have before 'Twas ever thus. |
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RobertBobert said: I still overhear people in bookshops singling SAO out for unprompted hate in ways that make it clear that they haven't actually read it.kuuderes_shadow said: You reminded me of the SAO haters who were notorious for being as punctual in keeping track of the franchise as the most dedicated fans lol. Also, is it still fashionable to hate this show?Something becomes popular and fans rave about it People who aren't fans see this raving and decide to look into the series even though they know it isn't something they will like Some of them do so specifically so that they can argue with these fans This last group of people are vocal and obnoxious but other people think they're cool or are convinced by their arguments, and parrot their opinions without having actually seen the series in question Suddenly people think it's hated and the done thing is to insult it People know this and thus form more negative impressions on it than they would have before 'Twas ever thus. And yes, that is another example of the phenomenon |
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kuuderes_shadow said: SAO and ReZero were one of the first shows where I noticed that a lot of people hate not so much anime itself, but are looking for something to counter excited fans. I can understand people's emotions when they get annoyed by over-excited fans of certain shows, but when you first hate anime and then start making excuses for it, seems counterintuitive to me.RobertBobert said: I still overhear people in bookshops singling SAO out for unprompted hate in ways that make it clear that they haven't actually read it.You reminded me of the SAO haters who were notorious for being as punctual in keeping track of the franchise as the most dedicated fans lol. Also, is it still fashionable to hate this show? And yes, that is another example of the phenomenon |
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dumbandinsane said: An odd statement for someone who has an anime in their favorites with a literal love letter to every conceivable shonen cliché.ahh........... another classic shonen hate thread......... i do hate shounen especially csm |
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RobertBobert said: Overlord_13 said: It does not cancel, but it also does not cancel the fact that literally philosophical hatred of isekai, while ignoring female isekai, shows that this hatred often has completely different reasons instead of those declared. And the fact that people have stated reasons does not prevent me from finding them unreasonable and stupid. Do you have any problems with this?First part of your reply is just a baseless claim. Even if what you said is remotely true. It doesn't negate the fact that Isekai is getting hate. I don't understand what you are trying to say in your very last line. Sorry for that. Many people have already gave reasons why Shonen is getting hate. It's nothing new and neither it's a surprise. So I don't understand the need of dramatizing this trivial issue. You are strawmaning the argument. Isekai gets hate in general because of its flaws and it doesn't have anything do with what gender is the mc. A genre/demographics getting hatred is nothing new. It is more prominent in isekai, ecchi, harem and Shonen etc. I don't have any problems with your pursuit of finding reasonable and smart reason (whatever it is). But creating threads like these to gain some attention is cheap. Your op (orginal post) is a vague claim. Basically what it says is that you are noticing a special hatred towards shounen which other genre doesn't have and you are asking for explanation. Your claim is an opinion and people gave their own take on it. Your response to that is what I gave to you and I quote, RobertBobert said: It might make sense in theory, but then again, it can be said for any genre and demographic. Your claim on the exclusive hate towards shounen mc in op which is used to showcase stupidity of a character is not that special. Harem MC is as insult for being dense about the situation. Isekai MC is used to represent NEET, introvert character. So again, it's nothing new that shounen getting hate and neither does it a surprise. |
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Overlord_13 said: I don't know if I've told you this before, but I'm deliberately ignoring arguments for the sake of arguments, especially with the casuistic development where my post is broken into parts and each of them gets a separate massive answer, which only complicates the discussion and makes it needlessly snarky and personal. Not to mention the general passive-aggressive style, where you are not so much interested in my opinion and motivation as trying to pressure me into accepting your point of view. Sorry, but I end things like this in the bud.RobertBobert said: It does not cancel, but it also does not cancel the fact that literally philosophical hatred of isekai, while ignoring female isekai, shows that this hatred often has completely different reasons instead of those declared. And the fact that people have stated reasons does not prevent me from finding them unreasonable and stupid. Do you have any problems with this? You are strawmaning the argument. Isekai gets hate in general because of its flaws and it doesn't have anything do with what gender is the mc. A genre/demographics getting hatred is nothing new. It is more prominent in isekai, ecchi, harem and Shonen etc. I don't have any problems with your pursuit of finding reasonable and smart reason (whatever it is). But creating threads like these to gain some attention is cheap. Your op (orginal post) is a vague claim. Basically what it says is that you are noticing a special hatred towards shounen which other genre doesn't have and you are asking for explanation. Your claim is an opinion and people gave their own take on it. Your response to that is what I gave to you and I quote, RobertBobert said: It might make sense in theory, but then again, it can be said for any genre and demographic. Your claim on the exclusive hate towards shounen mc in op which is used to showcase stupidity of a character is not that special. Harem MC is as insult for being dense about the situation. Isekai MC is used to represent NEET, introvert character. So again, it's nothing new that shounen getting hate and neither does it a surprise. |
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RobertBobert said: Overlord_13 said: I don't know if I've told you this before, but I'm deliberately ignoring arguments for the sake of arguments, especially with the casuistic development where my post is broken into parts and each of them gets a separate massive answer, which only complicates the discussion and makes it needlessly snarky and personal. Not to mention the general passive-aggressive style, where you are not so much interested in my opinion and motivation as trying to pressure me into accepting your point of view. Sorry, but I end things like this in the bud.You are strawmaning the argument. Isekai gets hate in general because of its flaws and it doesn't have anything do with what gender is the mc. A genre/demographics getting hatred is nothing new. It is more prominent in isekai, ecchi, harem and Shonen etc. I don't have any problems with your pursuit of finding reasonable and smart reason (whatever it is). But creating threads like these to gain some attention is cheap. Your op (orginal post) is a vague claim. Basically what it says is that you are noticing a special hatred towards shounen which other genre doesn't have and you are asking for explanation. Your claim is an opinion and people gave their own take on it. Your response to that is what I gave to you and I quote, Your claim on the exclusive hate towards shounen mc in op which is used to showcase stupidity of a character is not that special. Harem MC is as insult for being dense about the situation. Isekai MC is used to represent NEET, introvert character. So again, it's nothing new that shounen getting hate and neither does it a surprise. It is fine though. Anyway I lost interest in this drama thread. However, you didn't have to create a post if the reply is not related to my previous post. I don't want to come back here just to see you whinnig about why you can't answer my post instead of answering it. It both wastes my time as well as yours. |
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Overlord_13 said: In this case, you're wasting my time trying to bait me into continuing the argument by calling my response "whine". Sorry, I'm not emotional enough yet to react to this. GoodbyeRobertBobert said: I don't know if I've told you this before, but I'm deliberately ignoring arguments for the sake of arguments, especially with the casuistic development where my post is broken into parts and each of them gets a separate massive answer, which only complicates the discussion and makes it needlessly snarky and personal. Not to mention the general passive-aggressive style, where you are not so much interested in my opinion and motivation as trying to pressure me into accepting your point of view. Sorry, but I end things like this in the bud. It is fine though. Anyway I lost interest in this drama thread. However, you didn't have to create a post if the reply is not related to my previous post. I don't want to come back here just to see you whinnig about why you can't answer my post instead of answering it. It both wastes my time as well as yours. |
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| Shonen are still the most popular manga target demographic from what i see. Maybe some idiots are bashing it because they feel like its makes them more looking like a real adult now to only read seinen because its targeted at adults not teen and they are more young immature adults insecure in their adulthood in the anime and manga community than before and they got fed up with shonen a bit because teen content interest them less than before so its sounds like hate but their just in that phase of growing up and when they'll be mature adults they admit that they are good shows for teens too that they can enjoy without caring about being perceived as immature maybe that's that. People who dislike battle shonen always existed but shonen is vast enough that they can watch a wide variety of other shonen kinds if they wish. And their people like me who has less favored demographic as their personnal favorite and feel a bit bitter than they are always good titles in those demographics of manga overshadowed by shonen because they are a tons of good shonen but many good manga in other demographics gets less attention than average shonen so that annoys them that and the lack of interesting female characters in too many (hopefully far from all that said but the exceptions are sadly a minority) of the most popular shonen but besides this i dont see shonen being that much criticized by that many people. Literally all the anime and manga fan i have ever known until now have liked at least one shonen manga or shonen manga inspired anime, the vast majority have many and tend to have shonen as their favorite manga demographic...its widely popular. Sounds more like people trying to get other demographic more tried than really hating shonen for me. If they are any anime or manga fan that hates shonen i have yet to met this person...as most here says its seems like a loud minority but when i actually try to find if they really hate shonen usually their profile is full of shonen they liked so a real shonen hater is something i havent seen anywhere yet...tell me if you ever find any one who refused to try any shonen at all or disliked all the shonen they tried i'd be curious who can be like that and why. That seems to be quite a rarity. |
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Jokkolap said: If so i hope at least they are feeling less lonely now. Sorry for being an idiot and thinking he asked sincerely.Sylpheline said: Shonen are still the most popular manga target demographic from what i see. Maybe some idiots are bashing it because they feel like its makes them more looking like a real adult now to only read seinen because its targeted at adults not teen and they are more young immature adults insecure in their adulthood in the anime and manga community than before and they got fed up with shonen a bit because teen content interest them less than before so its sounds like hate but their just in that phase of growing up and when they'll be mature adults they admit that they are good shows for teens too that they can enjoy without caring about being perceived as immature maybe that's that. People who dislike battle shonen always existed but shonen is vast enough that they can watch a wide variety of other shonen kinds if they wish. And their people like me who has less favored demographic as their personnal favorite and feel a bit bitter than they are always good titles in those demographics of manga overshadowed by shonen because they are a tons of good shonen but many good manga in other demographics gets less attention than average shonen so that annoys them that and the lack of interesting female characters in too many (hopefully far from all that said but the exceptions are sadly a minority) of the most popular shonen but besides this i dont see shonen being that much criticized by that many people. Literally all the anime and manga fan i have ever known until now have liked at least one shonen manga or shonen manga inspired anime, the vast majority have many and tend to have shonen as their favorite manga demographic...its widely popular. Sounds more like people trying to get other demographic more tried than really hating shonen for me. If they are any anime or manga fan that hates shonen i have yet to met this person...as most here says its seems like a loud minority but when i actually try to find if they really hate shonen usually their profile is full of shonen they liked so a real shonen hater is something i havent seen anywhere yet...tell me if you ever find any one who refused to try any shonen at all or disliked all the shonen they tried i'd be curious who can be like that and why. That seems to be quite a rarity. You sure made a lot of effort to respond to an obvious bait thread created by an attention seeking loner. |
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| Battle shounen by itself is okay in most cases, however, many of the popular ones recently have been overrun by certain tropes I dislike, tropes that may or may not have been there since the beginning of the genre, but more than hating the battle shounen anime by itself, I blame the way some of these are adapted, take for example Demon Slayer, it's over adaptating it's source, letting redundant dialogue and over exposition from the Manga into the Anime, which causes it to have severe pacing issues that makes it look like a Indian Soap Drama due to how ridiculous it gets, it's annoying, it ruins the scene's pacing and what not. But that's not the only issue. Some of these stories are often made simple, and while simple isn't bad per se, what you do with it matters. Most people, usually new fans and battle shounen fans in general, will obviously not care about the products quality as long as they're entertained, and that's totally fine, some of us, like me for example, are more demanding on what we get, and if an anime doesn't know what it's doing with it's plot and characters, then I'll be bound to dislike it, I also heavily dislike the way comedy is implemented in many shounen anime, like the incoherent screaming in Demon Slayer. it's not a matter of hating them, I love Bleach for example and I acknowledge it's issues, however, the recent TYBW anime set the standards for Battle Shounen adaptation to a whole new level, instead of over adapting or adapting 1:1 from the manga, it swifts the pace by cutting redundant information, which resulted in more time to either add things that will compensante the cut content, and will make the overall experience less padded (let's not forget how absolutely slow the OG anime was) Thank you for coming to my ted talk. |
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RobertBobert said: ForgotEyeWasHere said: This can be said about any genre, not just the most popular ones. But do you really feel the need to tell me about the meaning of the term and "fake anime fans" after being registered here a couple of months ago? I don't think you need to be the second Gigguk to be considered a "true" anime fan.Shounen is a target demographic, not a genre. But I assume you're specifically talking about battle shounen, so I'll talk about that. Most fake anime fans only watch battle shounen, so people start to hate it because of that. I personally don't hate it, but I think it has its flaws too. For example, a lot of battle shounen are very similar to one another, and get quite generic. Dragon Ball, One Piece and Naruto all have quite a bit in common with each other. I'm specifically talking about people who ONLY watch the most popular battle shounen like the ones mentioned and My Hero Academia, JoJo and One Punch Man, and refuse to watch anything else. There is no problem with watching battle shounen, as long as you also watch some other anime too. Also I've watched anime for years before registering here, but didn't think I needed to make an account here because I thought it wouldn't be a problem if I didn't have an anime list. I also don't think you have to watch a million anime to be a true fan, but you should have some variety in what you watch, and also not have a history of bashing anime and its fans like many new fans do. |
Sylpheline said: Do not pay attention. The dude is just trying to provoke conflict here with a fake page.Jokkolap said: If so i hope at least they are feeling less lonely now. Sorry for being an idiot and thinking he asked sincerely.You sure made a lot of effort to respond to an obvious bait thread created by an attention seeking loner. ForgotEyeWasHere said: I've been talking to a bunch of people who only watched yuri or all-female shows and even literally got aggressive about it. But I've never seen people intentionally watch only shonens. Not to mention that Jojo is a very unusual shonen and One-Punch-Man is a seinen as far as I remember.RobertBobert said: This can be said about any genre, not just the most popular ones. But do you really feel the need to tell me about the meaning of the term and "fake anime fans" after being registered here a couple of months ago? I don't think you need to be the second Gigguk to be considered a "true" anime fan. I'm specifically talking about people who ONLY watch the most popular battle shounen like the ones mentioned and My Hero Academia, JoJo and One Punch Man, and refuse to watch anything else. There is no problem with watching battle shounen, as long as you also watch some other anime too. Also I've watched anime for years before registering here, but didn't think I needed to make an account here because I thought it wouldn't be a problem if I didn't have an anime list. I also don't think you have to watch a million anime to be a true fan, but you should have some variety in what you watch, and also not have a history of bashing anime and its fans like many new fans do. |
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TheFireNinja said: I have never heard people in Russia or Ukraine hate shonens. On the contrary, many shonens anime are quite popular due to nostalgic feelings and childhood viewing. Another thing, Naruto is memetically hated, but mostly because of "narutards", who are considered the epitome of normies kids in our fandom.I don't really see it as an issue with "Western fans" since we have fans of anime from all over the globe. I think it's as most people say. The more popular something is, the more hate it'll receive. Because of how popular shounen anime are, they're the most highly recommended gateway anime for people trying to get into the medium. Which means there's the possibility of people being recommended anime that may not fit their tastes. |
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RobertBobert said: Sylpheline said: Do not pay attention. The dude is just trying to provoke conflict here with a fake page.If so i hope at least they are feeling less lonely now. Sorry for being an idiot and thinking he asked sincerely. ForgotEyeWasHere said: I've been talking to a bunch of people who only watched yuri or all-female shows and even literally got aggressive about it. But I've never seen people intentionally watch only shonens. Not to mention that Jojo is a very unusual shonen and One-Punch-Man is a seinen as far as I remember.I'm specifically talking about people who ONLY watch the most popular battle shounen like the ones mentioned and My Hero Academia, JoJo and One Punch Man, and refuse to watch anything else. There is no problem with watching battle shounen, as long as you also watch some other anime too. Also I've watched anime for years before registering here, but didn't think I needed to make an account here because I thought it wouldn't be a problem if I didn't have an anime list. I also don't think you have to watch a million anime to be a true fan, but you should have some variety in what you watch, and also not have a history of bashing anime and its fans like many new fans do. One Punch Man is indeed a seinen. It's actually supposed to be making fun of battle shounen, but some younger fans don't entirely understand that, and think it's a shounen, so I referred to it as one that they watch. For the record, I think all of these people should have a chance to become anime fans, as long as they don't have a history of bashing anime and bullying us for liking it. We should keep most furries out of our fandom too. |
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| The term "shounen," at least from what I've seen throughout the years, occasionally gets lumped in with being "normie/casual," which has a pretty negative connotation for a lot of anime fans, and a lot of fans just don't like being perceived in that type of way. A lot of anime fans would much rather be seen as being mature, deep, intelligent, high level, experienced, enlightened and whatnot because that's what it means to be a "cool gigachad anime fan" lol. Many of those "shounen vs seinen" memes online also reinforce this whole "seinen is greater than shounen" narrative. I think part of all this is due to certain people wanting to seek validation and wanting to look older and cooler, and the other part seems to be because a lot of people just love compartmentalization, conflict, and tribal/team battles (the whole "my team vs your team" type of thing lol). |
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RobertBobert said: alshu said: I never considered it reasonable to hate the show because of the fans. Even hating fans because of the show raises certain questions"Why has shonen suddenly become so popular to hate?" If we are talking battle shounen, its fandom is quite pushy, that's why. Action and reaction. In the 00s Eva, Monster and LOTGH fans did that, this is why nowadays there's such stigma for liking those. How about hating it anyway, but sharing your hatred in public because of its loud fanbase? |
RobertBobert said: Can anyone explain to me when and why Western fans went from literally worshiping shonen to using any loophole to attack shonen and its fans? I understand that all things have their fans and their haters, but for the last year or two, it seems to me more and more that hatred of shonen is becoming somehow excessive or even insane. To the point where I see normies attacking shonen just to seem like cool anime fans. For example, a couple of people used "shonen MC" quite seriously when talking to me with the expectation that I would understand it as a derogatory term without any problems. Can anyone explain this? Because they want to look mature by trashing on a genre/demographic targeted towards kids/teens, ironically, this just makes them look like immature children Case in point this comment right here vv salarx said: Because children (and manchildren) are target demographic for these (shonen) shows. These fans are the main reason we have score manipulation. Also when I watch an anime, I don't like to feed good, I like to feel like shit. Shonen Anime usually paint a lie, show us what we want to see and believe. I'd prefer a lie as a joke, but no presented as something serious. I prefer my soul being crushed. Something that changes my psychology, and / or leaves me bawling. Something that makes me question my beliefs and reality, something that changes my life by giving me depression, followed by some amount of hope. I only watch Shonen if it has god tier animation, or a bad (realistic) ending. |
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DigiCat said: Because they want to look mature by trashing on a genre/demographic targeted towards kids/teens, ironically, this just makes them look like immature children Case in point this comment right here vv salarx said: Because children (and manchildren) are target demographic for these (shonen) shows. These fans are the main reason we have score manipulation. Also when I watch an anime, I don't like to feed good, I like to feel like shit. Shonen Anime usually paint a lie, show us what we want to see and believe. I'd prefer a lie as a joke, but no presented as something serious. I prefer my soul being crushed. Something that changes my psychology, and / or leaves me bawling. Something that makes me question my beliefs and reality, something that changes my life by giving me depression, followed by some amount of hope. I only watch Shonen if it has god tier animation, or a bad (realistic) ending. But it's true. The demographic that is most free of all is kids. Only they have the time to defend their favorite anime / characters and engage in online 'vs battles', and create bot accounts to downvote the anime that tops their favorite anime in terms of ratings. It's not only about having free time, but also the free energy and enthusiasm, along with being edgy. This isn't an attack on Shonen anime, but the demographic (I somewhat enjoy Shonen Anime too, but don't have time and patience for those long running shows). God damn I hate those kids, they are a plaque on any forum. Also, being popular = being average = popular among average people = most of the viewers in this world. That's why Shonen is popular and regarded as normie, because it's for normies. No need to take offence in that if you watch sophisticated content too. |
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salarx said: Also, being popular = being average = popular among average people = most of the viewers in this world. That's why Shonen is popular and regarded as normie, because it's for normies. No need to take offence in that if you watch sophisticated content too Nice, proving your maturity by basically saying that shows which are anywhere above average can't possibly become popular or enjoyed by "normies", kind of a condescending take if you ask me |
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DigiCat said: salarx said: Also, being popular = being average = popular among average people = most of the viewers in this world. That's why Shonen is popular and regarded as normie, because it's for normies. No need to take offence in that if you watch sophisticated content too Nice, proving your maturity by basically saying that shows which are anywhere above average can't possibly become popular or enjoyed by "normies", kind of a condescending take if you ask me If those show become popular among them, they aren't normies anymore. But statistically, a 5 year is going to enjoy Doraemon more than Violet Evergarden or Madoka Magica. How a kid is gonna enjoy or relate to slice of life when they haven't even experienced real life yet? Mature themes like depression and death will go above their head (unless their life is depressing already, which is strange and cruel for a 5 year old). When Violet Evergarden becomes more popular among 5yo than Doraemon, I'll write an official apology letter to an Shonen fans. |
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| First of all Shounen is demographic and not a genre so people should not paint all Shounen with the same brush it comes in all types. |
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| It's as if it suddenly became this CHAD thing not to like battle shounen anymore. OMG, you have One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, FMAB, and MHA in your faves? YoU dOn'T hAvE pErSoNaLiTy. |
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| because it's mainstream, that's literally it. it's the gateway genre for most american weebs and eventually they get to that point where they're like "mainstream bad" |
| Nothing has change, there is just more people following animes, so more stupids takes. But I think it's mainly because of nekketsus lovers themselves. If you're on twitter you can find a lot of people saying that Naruto (or One Piece) is the best manga/anime ever created even if they've seen only 10 animes in their life and all of them from the same genre. I see so much bullshit that even for mangas that I love (HxH) I find it annoying. I still don't really care that much, but for younger people on the internet the only way they find to counter-attack is shitting on those anime with the same stupidy that they're praised. |
| People whose opinion can easily do a 180degree because they blindly follow others + Some people not understanding what shonen means, some thinking that aot or death note is a seinen, even saying that it is ''in their opinion what a seinen is'' when it is an objective that can be translated to young men adults + People sometimes changes opinion and taste. |
| “I won’t rely on anyone anymore. I don’t care if no one understands.” – Homura Akemi |
salarx said: If those show become popular among them, they aren't normies anymore. But statistically, a 5 year is going to enjoy Doraemon more than Violet Evergarden or Madoka Magica. How a kid is gonna enjoy or relate to slice of life when they haven't even experienced real life yet? Mature themes like depression and death will go above their head (unless their life is depressing already, which is strange and cruel for a 5 year old). When Violet Evergarden becomes more popular among 5yo than Doraemon, I'll write an official apology letter to an Shonen fans Ah, so you really do have no idea what you're talking about 1) Doraemon is Kodomo, not Shounen, so an even younger demographic 2) Although more rare, there are Kodomon shows out there which do deal with complex and darker topics and do a great job telling these stories, they of course also do so in a way that's easier for kids to understand And to alswer your question "how is a kid gonna enjoy or relate to a slice of life when they haven't even experienced real life yet?", guess what? You don't have to relate to or understand every aspect of a show to be able to enjoy it, you can like it for the story, the comedy, the characters, heck even relate to a character's personality, you don't have to be in the exact same situation or be the exact same age as a character to share personality traits |
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| the industry got too big. originality is lost after so long and the quality is dropping |
| if you want good story, read novel. if you want good graphic, read manga. anime is beyond that. |
| People love to hate on others who jump on a bandwagon only to a become bandwagon themselves. Or "hatewagon" if you will. Not realizing they can be just as bad as the fans they complain about. It's kinda sad... Hate to break it to you...but you aren't special or unique for not liking popular things... |
FanofActionMay 23, 2023 3:44 PM
| Low self-esteem, tribal mentality, hive mind. Three phrases describing pretty well any, not only related to anime or shounens in particular, passionate hate towards another group enjoying stuff that the person who is hating don't enjoy themself. Same goes with hating the genre or type of medium as a whole for petty reasons like "trying to look cool" or doing it out of boredom. |
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| It's essentially about its fans. I, personally, don't have any problems with what other people like BUT when the exclusive battle shonen viewer ventures to a different sort of anime/manga, they'll show how defficient their comprehension of a variety of texts is. These kind of viewer will expect the usual elements of nekketsu/battle shonen to be present in a anime/manga in which they have no place. Therefore they will criticize a show based on what is not, instead of on what it is. For example: if the work is clearly showing a grey morality, they will complain that it doesn't show a clear division of good and evil; if the work shows dubitatve characters, they will complain that it doesn't have an assertive one; if the storytelling is subtle, they will say that it's confusing/doesn't make sense; if it's an obviously erotic work, they will complain about the nudity. These are the people that will criticize Eva for having a "whimpy MC", Blood on the Tracks for being "edgy" or Belladonna of Sadness for containing rape and sexually explicit content; they will shit on western comicbooks because the action scenes aren't as detailed (they never were the main focus to begin with). Of course not everyone who loves Naruto is like this, just a certain sector of its fanbase but the fanbase is big enough to run into someone like I just described. TL;DR: Some of the fans expect the rest of anime/manga to be just like battle shonen |
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