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| Holy crap so dark Kariya has had one of the worst lives I've seen in anime, which is saying something. What's intriguing is that his descent into insanity could be pointed to even the first episode. Despite the fact that she had chosen the other man, he was in denial and acted like Aoi and her daughters were actually HIS family. His desperation to save Sakura so they could "all have fun again", his suggestion that they run away together - what they saw as playing around in the park became far more than it should've to him, because he had never accepted Aoi's decision emotionally. Aoi's cold rejection of the delusion he'd been trying to hold was the straw that broke him. |
NinahJun 7, 2014 9:16 PM
| I was sure it was a rape scene, the way it was shown..but nope :v! I feel bad for Rin, but her mother was a bitch :> |
| Damn that was a good episode.. everything from the animation quality of Saber on motorycle/saber vs rider, that entire scene with kairya , tokyomi's body and his wife, and then Gil's and Kotmines comments afterwards. why the duce did kiarya have to kill Rin and Sakura's mom!?! Even rewatching it this time, for some reason I forgot about that happening damn.. The first season had some meh-ish episodes, but 2nd Season of fate zero is just all killer no filler... |
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midnightblade said: Obviously he is not in a good and sane state. It was a crazy thing he did on impulse.why the duce did kiarya have to kill Rin and Sakura's mom!?! |
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| One ep, one death? It's getting strangely repetetive. But I guess Kariya is now stripped of the remains of his humanity. In fact, perfect match for Berserker considering suffering they are going through. But I doubt Kotomine has any more interest in him right now as he already broke him completely and satisfied his curiosity. Maybe only as his tool. Now he only needs to comfort Rin and fulfill his promise to provide her consequent guidiance as her new patron. Saber transforming her motorbike before felt a bit cheesy but the chase was animated well otherwise. I just don't understand why did she let him go in the end (and why did she even fight him when she realized Iri was elsewhere). |
Mich666 said: I just don't understand why did she let him go in the end (and why did she even fight him when she realized Iri was elsewhere). Rider was heading to the castle to challenge her.By fighting she was able to destroy their only method of pursuing her.That was enough for her at that point.She doesnt know if he can use his RM so "giving up" on that and focuisng on Iri is a good choice. |
ssjokg said: Rider was heading to the castle to challenge her.By fighting she was able to destroy their only method of pursuing her.That was enough for her at that point.She doesnt know if he can use his RM so "giving up" on that and focuisng on Iri is a good choice. Oh, means of transport, right, I didn't realize they were so far away from the city (I know, Waver mentioned it). But still, Rider could simply steal some car passing by to get back to her. I would say that was very unresponsible from Saber (not to mention she didn't even tried to question him about Iri's location - as she still don't know that Rider was fake). Just theoreticaly, he could have threw her to his reality marble, and that would put others into disadventage, for example. |
| Rider cant boost vehicles like Saber.And a large paert of the road was destroyed thanks to both of them. RM's dont work as mobile vaults so I dont see how that works even as a theory. |
| Zouken and Kirei, birds of a feather. That was brutal, poor Kariya. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| Fu** you Kirei, you son of a bitch. Though this prequel rather well explains Kirei's personality and reasons in FSN. |
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| Honestly that woman deserved death. She loved a man who sold out his daughter for his love of magic. Her daughter had her life taken because of her husband's selfish reasons. She was mad at the only man trying to save her daughter? Sorry she deserved it. |
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| That man was the only one who understood why Sakura had to get away from Zouken. He never bothered to tell anyone else, so of course no one's gonna understand him. The worms inside him already destroyed his rational thinking. If his first priority was saving Sakura, he never would have intended to fight Tokiomi all the time. |
| ^^^This this this Sakura's pain and suffering was basically a way for him to replay his heroic delusions of NTR-ing the woman he loves from the man he wants to kill. Kariya did not bother to explain what he knew about Zouken - no one else knew that. To Tokiomi, Zouken was a head of a family that cooperated with them for a long time and has been since dying away in magic. And thread of Magic Association ruining one sister's life seemed to great of a price. So it seemed rational to give her a chance be a head of another family, so even if both sisters would have to clash in future, both would have equal chances to survive. |
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CookingPriest said: This isn't something a father should take pride in.so even if both sisters would have to clash in future, both would have equal chances to survive. |
FakePriest said: CookingPriest said: This isn't something a father should take pride in.so even if both sisters would have to clash in future, both would have equal chances to survive. Giving both even chances > playing favorites and dooming one while saving the other. In Tokiomi's eyes, what he did would mean that their OWN personality and conviction would decide their fates, instead of his control. He was an idiot(again most of F.0 cast were) and delusional but he had right motivation in this. Sadly, just as Tohsaka hereditary geneology dictates, he made worst possible choices with least information because of it. Do I like his choice? No. Do I excuse the way magi society handles matters? FUCK NO. But I can empathize with reasoning behind his actions far more than let's say with Kariya. |
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| Then it boils down to who you can empathize with and for me it isn't Tokiomi. |
 Did you like not watch the episode, because zouken did not die. |
| Previously: BlueXRam |
so... lemme get this straight... the previous episode discussion thread has a number of people wondering why Rider would kidnap Irisviel and kill Maiya because it was out of character for him to do something like that, while the local priests and other Fatefags were trying to argue why it is completely in character for him to do that DESPITE knowing full well he DIDN'T? Essentially all the people questioning Rider were right that it is out of character, and he would not do something "dishonorable" like sneak attacking his enemy's loved ones - ones not even directly related to Saber, as Irisviel was not and is not Saber's master - as a means of threatening and pressuring them. In fact, all of Rider's actions in the series prove he would not use those kinds of "sneaky" battle tactics, as he has always chosen to attack his enemies head on. A hero like Iskandar uses tactics that ring of GLORY after all. tl;dr Fatefags confirmed the worst On another note, holy shit that ending. That was tragic and difficult to watch. Kariya is honestly both one of the most interesting and most pitiable characters in this series. Diving so deep into your own insanity that you kill the only person you truly love... powerful shit. |
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| Enslaving people is also part of GLORY. Why would wits NOT be part of it? FFS Rider isnt a saint of the battlefield.The only reason it would be OOC for him to do that is because he has to "teach her a lesson" not because kidnapping "not so unrelated" people close to Saber is sneaky. |
| Sneak attacks are almost universally not considered glorious. Enslaving them in front of her and openly mocking her lack of ability to stop him - that's glorious. But doing it without her even being around? That's some Assassin-tier shit. And it's actually irrelevant because he didn't even do it. |
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| Outsmarting your foes isnt glorious? |
| this episode.. just wow. no words |
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Zadion said: Wait what?tl;dr Fatefags confirmed the worst What does this have to do with what was being discussed? |
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| It doesn't but it's true and it had to be said. |
| But there are a number of more suitable instances to say this, this isn't one of them. On the contrary, in this one we were making good discussion. |
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| You keep telling yourself that. |
SpaceHamster said: If you're looking for some honorable warrior, you're looking for F/Z Lancer. Ohohohohhahahaha. |
| Scary Kariya!!!!!!!!!!>0<` |
fst said: It doesn't but it's true and it had to be said. tbh |
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Zadion said: so... lemme get this straight... the previous episode discussion thread has a number of people wondering why Rider would kidnap Irisviel and kill Maiya because it was out of character for him to do something like that, while the local priests and other Fatefags were trying to argue why it is completely in character for him to do that DESPITE knowing full well he DIDN'T? Essentially all the people questioning Rider were right that it is out of character, and he would not do something "dishonorable" like sneak attacking his enemy's loved ones - ones not even directly related to Saber, as Irisviel was not and is not Saber's master - as a means of threatening and pressuring them. In fact, all of Rider's actions in the series prove he would not use those kinds of "sneaky" battle tactics, as he has always chosen to attack his enemies head on. A hero like Iskandar uses tactics that ring of GLORY after all. tl;dr Fatefags confirmed the worst On another note, holy shit that ending. That was tragic and difficult to watch. Kariya is honestly both one of the most interesting and most pitiable characters in this series. Diving so deep into your own insanity that you kill the only person you truly love... powerful shit. It is entirely in line to Rider's character. Whether it was rider or not does NOT matter. It is something Alexander would do as he tortured to death and backstabbed his own family members and was beyond brutal. |
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SpaceHamster said: Well it was me who made the first response, and honestly my only intention was "you, know, you can't really completely rule out Rider."StrayBotato said: Wait what? What does this have to do with what was being discussed? It's common sense. I don't even remember what exactly went down in that scene but the way it sounded here: BlueXRam said: Do you guys actually think Rider killed Maiya? First off he said he needs to rest plus Rider wouldn't do any unnecessary killing, its against his character. Someone is behind this for sure. This is what started the discussion after I lurked there a bit to see what the fuss was about. Is it really wrong for ISKANDAR of all people to kill others? Like seriously? What was he going to do, he is in a HGW which is a battle royale death game; not kill people? Sure that works if his plan of "Get everyone to join him on a world conquest" would go ahead at full speed with everyone nodding their heads and saying "Yeah that's a good idea." But that's obviously not going to happen. For all we know, Saber would be thinking that Iskandar had a talk with them about how it was going to be a hopeless battle so they should just join him, and after they refused he just killed Meiya and took Iri with him. Just my 2 cents, but I like Iskandar. He's just not your SJWMoralFag here to save people and focus on not killing them. If you're looking for some honorable warrior, you're looking for F/Z Lancer. Then it turned into whether F/Z Iskandar is the same as the one in the books. I don't see how this is related to "Fatefags are the worst." Well whatever, not like it matters. |
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StrayBotato said: Well it was me who made the first response, and honestly my only intention was "you, know, you can't really completely rule out Rider." I am pretty sure that was everyone's point and intention. Because going "It could not have been Rider because Rider is such a great and gentle guy" is one of the most ridiculous assumptions ever. |
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CookingPriest said: StrayBotato said: Well it was me who made the first response, and honestly my only intention was "you, know, you can't really completely rule out Rider." I am pretty sure that was everyone's point and intention. Because going "It could not have been Rider because Rider is such a great and gentle guy" is one of the most ridiculous assumptions ever. why would anyone make this assumption? all I said is it is a ridiculous point mostly coming from people who probably dislike Rider for one reason or another, seemingly unaware that him doing despicable things would not make him a less interesting character. personally, if Rider WAS the one to kidnap Iri and kill Maiya, I'd like him even more, because I actually enjoy seeing personality traits I dislike out of real world humans in my fictional characters - it gives them depth and dimension. of course, the fact that Alexander was always one of my favorite historical figures despite the fact he backstabbed and tortured even his own family members probably means I can tolerate those traits out of real world humans as well if it makes for an interesting person to analyze. |
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| I don't think anyone meant he'd be less interesting if he did. It's just that most people ignore the other side of him, which is also interesting actually, because he acts like a goofball. And btw he IS in one of my top 20 lists, just to be clear, so no I don't dislike him either. Edit: Sniped. |
BotatoJan 4, 2015 6:01 PM
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| Kariya.. </3 This all was so very sad. Since I ask the "Am I the only one.." question in every episode discussion: Am I the only one who hates Gilgamesh with every fiber of my being? |
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k0k0 said: Kariya.. </3 This all was so very sad. Since I ask the "Am I the only one.." question in every episode discussion: Am I the only one who hates Gilgamesh with every fiber of my being? Hmm?  |
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| Poor Kariya... |
| >Wants to NTR someone's wife >Pure |
OutsideDecorator said: >Wants to NTR someone's wife >Pure ^This LUL. "imma gonna kill my obsession's husband and ntr her form him because when I bring back her daughte rshe will be obligated for gratitude sex" SO PURE OMG> |
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| Not bad even this episode, but rest incredulos before certain inconsistencies and irrationality shown in the most engaging, because everything is trivialized in this way? Why Arturia, does not ask Rider, where he is Irisvil? Kariya does not understand why the deception and explains his innocence? A little too biased the two circumstances. Very nice instead confrontation between Saber and Rider. Drawings and animations fairly good overall. Pleasant overall narrative, even with these doubts. |
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| How easy it is to manipulte Kariya, amazing. Characters started to act dumb, time to lower my score for this :/ |
Gator said: The worms took away Kariya's rationality and his ability to have complex thoughts, not unlike his Servant. It's noted that he never would have fallen for such a cheap trick otherwise.How easy it is to manipulte Kariya, amazing. Characters started to act dumb, time to lower my score for this :/ |
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| This episode with Kariya and his worms reminds me of an old song: The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out, The worms play pinochle on your snout, They eat your eyes, they eat your nose, They eat the jelly between your toes. |
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| Saber, the once great king, is riding a FREAKIN` MOTORCYCLE! I also liked that fake out making us think that Waver and Broskandar were gonna die. Also, the stuff with Kariya and his friend/previous love interest was pretty creepy, especially Kariya`s freak out. He freakin` choked her, leaving us to ponder weather or not she survived. Honestly, all I needed was Saber on a motorcycle. |
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| [Re-watch | BD version] Excluding the race/battle between Arthuria and Alexander this episode could be easily summarized with "Poor Kariya". Nobody understands you. The motives and pain of your lone crusade are only for you. The path he's walking into is sad. It was a cruel trap the one Kirei and Gilgamesh set him onto... that was evil. Iskandar, let Arthuria's shine defeat you. The flower, the star in the battlefield has won over you. This time you won't teach her a lesson. But wow, she really knows how to ride that V-Max! She exeded it's limits and hell, even gave it a matching armor! jaja The end of the war is around the corner, one wild dog and three kings left. |
HumbertoZeroMay 11, 2016 4:25 PM
HDarkmantis said: [Re-watch | BD version] Excluding the race/battle between Arthuria and Alexander this episode could be easily summarized with "Poor Kariya". Nobody understands you. The motives and pain of your lone crusade are only for you. The path he's walking into is sad. It was a cruel trap the one Kirei and Gilgamesh set him onto... that was evil. Iskandar, let Arthuria's shine defeat you. The flower, the star in the battlefield has won over you. This time you won't teach her a lesson. But wow, she really knows how to ride that V10! She exeded it's limits and hell, even gave it a matching armor! jaja The end of the war is around the corner, one wild dog and three kings left. ubw spoiler |
| why is kariya calling kirei father in the beginning? zouken matou is? and that is so sick/gross that zouken just likes watching his own son suffer that much. Esp. in that sort of way. That's so fucked up. I cant say I exactly like saber in a suit riding a motorcycle around all the time. Kinda dikey. she was more innocent and girly when revived for the 5th holy grail war, or at least in UBW it seemed. So does Gilgamesh really enjoy kariya suffering that much, too? He's setting this up just for the enjoyment of watching? There seems to be a lot of sadists in this series if so haha. That means zouken, kirei, AND gilgamesh are all plotting right now just to watch kariya suffer more. At least that's what they all were doing at the end of the episode. what the fuck! And honest question...Did Kariya just kill her at the end? Like...nothing more than kill, right? Was he just breathing hard during/after choking her, kinda panting? He wasnting "humping" on top of her was he.. ? |
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