Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka? Episode 4 Discussion

Zimzky said:
Can this studio draw ANYTHING by hand?

HoloKill said:
Do some research... Millepensee isn't the ones who did the cgi in berserk 2016 and aren't the one doing the cgi in this anime either

TheDeedsOfMen said:
Yes. That is literally all they do. They only do the hand-drawn parts, after all. The CGI is done by another studio.

Zimzky said:


So the studio only does half of the job? Why not let another studio take the show then? If they don't want to do the work

Zimzky said:
So the studio only does half of the job? Why not let another studio take the show then? If they don't want to do the work

linkhuesitos said:

You are confused.
This is not exclusive to this studio. Most 2D studios don't make CG, another studio (usually focused in CG) is in charge of it.

Exmaple:
- Berserk 2016: 2D = Millepensee | CG = Studio Gemba
- Ajin (A full CG anime): CG = Polygon Pictures

Zimzky said:
I'm not fonfused. I just don't get the point of a studio taking on an almost fully CG anime when they don't do the CG themselves. Might as well give to a studio that would do it in 2D

linkhuesitos said:


If the anime has CG or not and which CG studio use it's not a decided by the 2D studio most of the time. Usually is an adaptation team (from the publishe if it's an adaptation of a novel) the one that decides the
main studio (and CG Studio if it's the case), director, producer, etc, then the director choose the rest of the staff.

The dungeon being CG is something that was most likely decided even before getting the main 2D studio. The first trailer from 2 years ago already had Kumoko and the dungeon in CG and the humans in 2D.

Zimzky said:


Quality really has gone downhill nowadays, if this is the CG, studio's are happy with. Hopefully they'll take a piece out of AoT S4's CG. That's rescpectable at least. This on the other hand? trash

TheDeedsOfMen said:
It is easier to get a big CG budget for the most popular anime series of our time, compared to a new entry, even if the LN has been relatively popular. They have to weigh costs with projected returns.

Jakeyzor2 said:

I agree with you about the pacing issues, in the anime for sure. Not defending the anime tbh, think it's easily the worst of the 3 versions of the story, but the "random ass people" aren't really what killed he pacing.
Honestly, to highlight the helplessness of this battle, maybe they cut away after the bagragratches show up, away to the aftermath of the Earth wyrm battle and use the next episode to highlight that second half of the battle. That way you have raised tension, and uncertainty.
If you're interested in getting the full story of Spider, I really do recommend the light novel. If you're not really a LN reader, that's totally fine too, but I'm on 5 out of 10 rn, and it is awesome

linkhuesitos said:

Remember the magic trainning from last episode.
You need the "Magic Power Perception" and "Magic Power Operation" skills to use any Magic-type skill. And about why she hasn't tried to use magic again, that's a cut scene.
She actually has another Magic skill (Shadow Magic) that she also tried to use and failed.


The problem with the manga is that it was able to adapt everything in Kumo side because it dropped out Shun side entirely, but as a downside the manga pace is horribly slow. The manga has been out for almost 5 years and is barely touching the Post Labyrinth Arcs even when is skipping Shun side which by the momment Kumo gets out of the Labyrinth the information in Shun side is vital for the plot.
The manga is almost 100 chapters long while is barely starting the first Post Labyrinth Arc.


Actually this just happen in the Lower Stratum. Kumoko is able to level up so fast because she's killing monster above her tier.
Kumoko is still in a Low Tier evolution which means that her Max Level is 10. The Monkeys in other hand are at least Mid Tier which means that their levels can go from 1 to 20.
This actually becomes a problem in the next area because (small spoiler but I don't want to make mad the mods)



She's inside the Great Elroe Labyrinth, an underwater dungeon that connects 2 continents (so it's pretty fucking big).


For your security don't stick it in a crazy chick. Believe me that shit won't end fine.


Don't bang the dragon, you don't know what diseases she may have.



At most in the next 2 episodes most likely the plot will start.

Kimurah said:
Meh. Easily the worst episode so far.

Completely ignoring the very mediocre CG animation along with modeling, my biggest pet peeve is that the whole episode along with the gist of the previous ones is nothing short of a "grindfest", rank up levels and get new skills. For christ sake, if I wanted to see someone build a character with a specific skilltree I would much rather reinstall Diablo III, Path of Exile or even the all time classic Diablo II and do my own grind runs.

Heck, even the out of context human storyline feels more substancial than the nonsensical grinding of Kumoko. And I'm pretty sure there will be source readers *itchin and moaning "but it's all to justify the next plotpoits or even arcs" and my easy rebutal as always will be, "it's not worthy to endure such useless passages of nothing actually happening in order to finally reach a point where something does actually happen"

Collins89 said:
Dude thanks again for the response! I'm telling you it made sense when you give me that info that the anime just skips over!

The stuff about her levels versus the monkeys and low tier high tier stuff could be so easily explained in the anime with just minor dialogue.

Also your probably right about that bitch Earth dragon and crazy sister.
Lol, never done crazy so I'll take your word for it

Kimurah said:
Meh. Easily the worst episode so far.

Completely ignoring the very mediocre CG animation along with modeling, my biggest pet peeve is that the whole episode along with the gist of the previous ones is nothing short of a "grindfest", rank up levels and get new skills. For christ sake, if I wanted to see someone build a character with a specific skilltree I would much rather reinstall Diablo III, Path of Exile or even the all time classic Diablo II and do my own grind runs.

Heck, even the out of context human storyline feels more substancial than the nonsensical grinding of Kumoko. And I'm pretty sure there will be source readers *itchin and moaning "but it's all to justify the next plotpoits or even arcs" and my easy rebutal as always will be, "it's not worthy to endure such useless passages of nothing actually happening in order to finally reach a point where something does actually happen"

lolglolblol said:
Have to be honest, not a big fan of the fast/hectic pace of this episode. Would have liked it to linger on the various developments of the ape war a bit more. The LN and manga version of this fight felt much more like a hopeless war of attrition where you felt her resources running out every second.

Nagadir-chan said:
I usually love survival aspects but somehow here it felt boring. Maybe because there are no stakes? Maybe because everything kinda feels concidental and convinient? I hoped there would be more planning and strategising gaming style but MC just does things and it works (or not).

Rarkis said:
In my opinion this episode was one of the biggest sins one could make on this adaptation exactly for the reason you pointed.
From the moment she falls on that hole on last episode to the end of the fight with the monkeys, both the LN and the manga do a much better job showing how it should have been a HUUUGE struggle. Aguarbly the biggest she ever has, not only cause she was still weak on an enviroment where everyone is insanelly stronger than everything she had seen before, but also cause she had two big fights against swarming mobs she would have no chance of winning without her gamer intelect and strategizing. All of that feeling of impending doom was lost on the adaptation.

They cut one of the fights, cut the moment where she felt most fear in her entire life and made her encounter with her first nemesis seem like nothing, cut the planning on her side and made everything seem too convenient. In short, they turned the better half of the first volume into a "meh'" episode. Kinda entertaining, but a shadow of what could've been.

linkhuesitos said:
I agree that skipping Alaba's was a big let down but I more or less expected that the anime was going to skip some fights.
The Labyrinth Arc easily can take up to 15 episodes if they wanted to adapt it completelly, Kumoko' story is literally a chain of fight after fight.
The only reason why the manga managed to fully adapt Kumo's side was because it dropped the S Chapters and the pace is really slow.