Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai: Tensai-tachi no Renai Zunousen Chapter 192 Discussion

Farabeuf said:
It was really interesting to read more into Osaragi and her background and story. Ditto for Tsubame who's a lot more than just the high school hottie. Im really looking forward to see what devious plan she concocted that even got devious eyes Kaguya turned on.

I think a lot of people read too much into some things and get carried away like if they have everything figured out. Aka is not a predictable author and has no problem shunning conventions of the typical rom com manga. Quite the opposite. Just relax and enjoy the ride

shanimebib said:


My idea of this being represented as a harem is valid. I still think Osaragi's like did not turn into love because of the letter/flower sneaking in incident. As she said, not all liking leads to romance. This is why she is like a mirror to both Ishii and Iino. Her timing and circumstances didn't allow her to fall in love with Ishii neither give her the opportunity to confirm the real reason behind the letter/flower.

I still don't like her though. Not even after her backstory.

As for Koyasu's seemingly cunning plan:
a) She could be trying to expose Ootomo coming to the conclusion that Ootomo knew all along but pretend the victim.
b) Realize that Ootomo was Ishii's first love and try to set them up.
c) Frame herself as someone not worthy of Ishii's admiration to break Ishii free.
d) Noticing Iino being the best person for Ishii and set them up (far fetched but who knows).
e) Anything else.

It would be nice if we get Onodera and Fujiwara's plans for IshiIino. I am intrigued about Onodera. She is after all, the girl with the most logical head on her shoulders of all the girls in Kaguya-sama.

gabrielcosta_iv said:
I think that this whole "harem" plot on Ishigami arc sucks. Makes no sense at all a bunch of girls liking him for nothing but still a good development for Osaragi.

sanlei said:


Chika is useless, but yeah i trust Lemonodera to correct it, probably with support of Miyuki, who will be the mastermind behind it to make it work. I hope its really Lemonodera's time to shine xD She deserves better than being the only one who gets a new haircolor in the anime lol

Eitherway, i can see Miko to end up involved and likely change Tsubame's plan somehow despite Kobachi keeping her in the dark. Likely because Tsuibame's plan wont be true justice. Dont think its gonna be a or d (unless Lemononodera lets her know, neither would it be cunning?). b will probably be part of it, but not sure she will set them up that way. She's probably gonna frame herself to be the reason, Ishi punched Ogino. But yeah Aka is going to throw a curveball there (Especially as Kaguya's reaction doesnt seem to be simply that).

Kobachi at least planted the seed for Ishi to rethink his feelings in any case, by trying to confirm it.

And yeah still not liking her, but still good to give her a reason and touch upon the like/love thing.

Drimson said:
I have a really bad feeling Tsubame's plan is to confront Ishigami about what happened in middle school, while Ootomo is hiding close to them and listening to it. After all we're shown that they are quite close to each other, and I have a feeling she would feel guilty hiding the truth from Ootomo. I'm afraid Ishigami will end up hurt to some degree with the entire situation.

Retolee said:
That was a nice development. I'm not sure why so many people seemed confused by this, but from what I got, Osaragi likes Ishigami as a person, but that "like" doesn't need to be love. And in the same way Ishigami is looking out for Iino, it doesn't need to have a romantic meaning behind it.

LastLuminescence said:
Oh dear, maybe I read too much about it but come on, Koyasu-senpai is only thinking about herself, she doesn't do it for Ishigami she does it for her, she does it because she is worried about how others look at her, Ishigami's reputation didn't bother her until she started dating him. Kaguya is a selfish child who will do what is necessary so that things do not fall out of the mold and Osaragi is a closed person who thinks that, the case of Iino is similar, it must be the same result.

Osaragi sees the relationship of Ishigami, Mi-chan & Koyasu as the relationship that her parents had in the past and acts based on the ideals that arose from it, rather than wishing for the happiness of Ishigami she wishes because the idealization that she of that "reality" that she craves so much.

He reiterated, perhaps I read too much in the matter, that is without a doubt feasible but I have pissed off the matter a lot, I do not care if you do not support your "best friend" (ok if I care but not as much as you can give understand) just don't say you really wanted to support her.

momoka16 said:


To me, it wasn't totally unexprected, ironically I wrote this post https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1841455#msg60010385
before to read this thread and the spoilers on reddit.
I always had the feelings that Koba had some feelings for Ishigami (honestly, I think the same about Chika, but that's a different topic), anyway I wasn't sure about the fact the author wanted to expand the number of girls interested in Ishigami, but this plot twist changes everything and we can actually consider some apparent hints as actual hints.

After all, the author said that he wrote the characters in a way that they are actually the oppsite of what they look. For example, he said that Miko is very pure only on the surface, but she is actually very depraved. At this point, it's clear that Ishigami has been introduced to us as an unpopular guy, but he will end up with being popular. As I already told, except for the rumors about his past, there aren't any real reasons why he shouldn't be popular. He isn't written as a guy who is supposed to be unlikable.
The girls who actually know his actual past can easily find him attractive...Come on, we are speaking about a guy who protected a girl by her unfaithful boyfriend, accepting all the unfair accusations against himself related to that situation only for her sake.
He is basically a hero, plus, he is actually good looking and his rebellious attitude is something that is usually considered charming by young girls.
He isn't yout typical harem protagonist without any quality, he has tons of qualities that make him attractive.

About Osaragi, her attitude was always suspicious in my opinion.
She looks like a girl who cares only about her business, but she was always very interested into Ishigami's personal life. The fact she was simply involved in his business only for "shipping wars reasons" was too much silly, by considering how she was supporting him since the beginning.

Also her shallow relationship with the captain looked suspicious to me, plus the fact that we never saw her eyes, despite we know she is a beauty. I thought we could see her full face only in the moment she would have admitted her feelings for Ishigami.

Unlike Iino's love, her love looks selfless but at this point, since in this manga everyone hides more than it seems, I suspect the truth is different.
While she could actually wish for the happiness of Ishigami, I believe her own selfish feelings are playing a role in her actions.
I believe inside her, she is jealous of Iino, since Ishigami always supported her. She is aware about the fact Iino and Ishigami are actually very close despite the appearances, and probably she believes that a relationship between them could be more successful in the long term than a relationship between Tsubame and Ishigami. I suspect she could have noticed that Ishigami actually likes Iino, not Tsubame.
Also, it's also possible that after her graduation, Tubame and Ishigami could break up. Meanwhile, Iino could give up on Ishigami and at this point, Osaragi could have her chance with him.

Again, in this manga the characters are not what they are supposed to look.
Shirogane and Kaguya were supposed to be perfect and logical people, but both of them are insecure, emotional and fragile.
Ishigami was supposed to be unpopular with the girls, but it's only the result of some misunderstanding and he has actually all the qualities to be popular.
Iino is supposed to be a pure maiden obsessed with moral, but she is actually lewd and attracted to rebellious attitudes.
Osaragi is apparently supposed to represent an example of selfless love, but I suspect also this expectation could be betrayed.

Edit: I am reading the comments of some people who are confused by the fact Osaragi never said to Iino that Ishigami was the flower's guy, or by the fact that she never confessed to Ishigami.
This is because they are assuming she is actually acting for his sake, and not for her selfish reasons, as your typical person in love is supposed to do. If we assume she is actually defending her own interests, everything does make sense.
She never told Iino that Ishigami was the flower's guy because she knows that this would make Iino closer to him.
She never confessed to Ishigami because she believes he could like Iino, and until the chances for IshigamixIino are not completely destroyed, she hasn't any chance with him. She is supporting IshigamixTsubame because she doesn't think this relationship can be successful in the long term, but at the same time it could destroy any chance for IshigamixIino. Basically, her priority is to make IshigamixIino impossible, because only at this point she could have her chance with him.

curvedtree said:
I can't believe some people are unironically considering Osaragi as yet another person interested in Ishigami when it is literally written that she likes him, but not romantically. The whole point of this issue was to develop Osaragi's character, we have seen that she used to be more outgoing, until the affair in her family happened, which is a huge thing in Japanese society, so people started judging her and, as she said, people start bad mouthing her. Ishigami defended Osaragi the same way he defended Iino, however Osaragi was aware of when she was defended and when he defended her best friend, she also know what Ishigami has been through and, as her friend, she wants what is best for him, so if Ishigami thinks Tsubame is who will make him happy, then she will support them, despite her friendship with Iino.

Also, people should also drop any romantic possibility that might happen with Fujiwara, the whole point of her character is that, being a clueless in the matters of love, but still want to help with her unrealistic views on love. She won't be Ishigami's love interest, Hayasaka's love interest, anyone's love interest. Fujiwara has far more interesting concepts to be worked, also anymore character with romantic outcomes will turn things stale and she will be just another.

ttcchen said:
Ishigami harem +1!???? DID SHE JUST CONFESS TO HIM!???? DAMN what a lady killer seriously didn't expect that from ISHIGAMI of all people

Short_Circut said:
inb4 Osaragi ends up being the Orange of this harem in that it doesn't appear she's really in love with Ishi (she even said it's not romantic) but she ends up being the chosen one :P


tbh though, I'm more interested in what plan Tsubame has in store. It seemed devious enough who's ootome-chan again btw lol to peek Kaguya's sadistic interests.

momoka16 said:


To me, it wasn't totally unexprected, ironically I wrote this post https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1841455#msg60010385
before to read this thread and the spoilers on reddit.
I always had the feelings that Koba had some feelings for Ishigami (honestly, I think the same about Chika, but that's a different topic), anyway I wasn't sure about the fact the author wanted to expand the number of girls interested in Ishigami, but this plot twist changes everything and we can actually consider some apparent hints as actual hints.

After all, the author said that he wrote the characters in a way that they are actually the oppsite of what they look. For example, he said that Miko is very pure only on the surface, but she is actually very depraved. At this point, it's clear that Ishigami has been introduced to us as an unpopular guy, but he will end up with being popular. As I already told, except for the rumors about his past, there aren't any real reasons why he shouldn't be popular. He isn't written as a guy who is supposed to be unlikable.
The girls who actually know his actual past can easily find him attractive...Come on, we are speaking about a guy who protected a girl by her unfaithful boyfriend, accepting all the unfair accusations against himself related to that situation only for her sake.
He is basically a hero, plus, he is actually good looking and his rebellious attitude is something that is usually considered charming by young girls.
He isn't yout typical harem protagonist without any quality, he has tons of qualities that make him attractive.

About Osaragi, her attitude was always suspicious in my opinion.
She looks like a girl who cares only about her business, but she was always very interested into Ishigami's personal life. The fact she was simply involved in his business only for "shipping wars reasons" was too much silly, by considering how she was supporting him since the beginning.

Also her shallow relationship with the captain looked suspicious to me, plus the fact that we never saw her eyes, despite we know she is a beauty. I thought we could see her full face only in the moment she would have admitted her feelings for Ishigami.

Unlike Iino's love, her love looks selfless but at this point, since in this manga everyone hides more than it seems, I suspect the truth is different.
While she could actually wish for the happiness of Ishigami, I believe her own selfish feelings are playing a role in her actions.
I believe inside her, she is jealous of Iino, since Ishigami always supported her. She is aware about the fact Iino and Ishigami are actually very close despite the appearances, and probably she believes that a relationship between them could be more successful in the long term than a relationship between Tsubame and Ishigami. I suspect she could have noticed that Ishigami actually likes Iino, not Tsubame.
Also, it's also possible that after her graduation, Tubame and Ishigami could break up. Meanwhile, Iino could give up on Ishigami and at this point, Osaragi could have her chance with him.

Again, in this manga the characters are not what they are supposed to look.
Shirogane and Kaguya were supposed to be perfect and logical people, but both of them are insecure, emotional and fragile.
Ishigami was supposed to be unpopular with the girls, but it's only the result of some misunderstanding and he has actually all the qualities to be popular.
Iino is supposed to be a pure maiden obsessed with moral, but she is actually lewd and attracted to rebellious attitudes.
Osaragi is apparently supposed to represent an example of selfless love, but I suspect also this expectation could be betrayed.

Edit: I am reading the comments of some people who are confused by the fact Osaragi never said to Iino that Ishigami was the flower's guy, or by the fact that she never confessed to Ishigami.
This is because they are assuming she is actually acting for his sake, and not for her selfish reasons, as your typical person in love is supposed to do. If we assume she is actually defending her own interests, everything does make sense.
She never told Iino that Ishigami was the flower's guy because she knows that this would make Iino closer to him.
She never confessed to Ishigami because she believes he could like Iino, and until the chances for IshigamixIino are not completely destroyed, she hasn't any chance with him. She is supporting IshigamixTsubame because she doesn't think this relationship can be successful in the long term, but at the same time it could destroy any chance for IshigamixIino. Basically, her priority is to make IshigamixIino impossible, because only at this point she could have her chance with him.