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May 5, 2020 2:51 PM

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May 5, 2020 5:00 PM

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@PaninaManina

You wish the visual narrative was the worst part of this anime, This anime is so full of tropes I hate it's unbearable:

-Nosy annoying stupid girl that somehow likes the MC, which only redeemable quality is that her design is decent. She also spread very pretentious monologues and very conveniently ALWAYS manage to step in whenever Rikou is.
-Dense MC that doesn't get a clue, is a manchild and has a very questionable development
-That girl the MC share a past with, that will probably lose but it's still there to add melodrama.
-The MC's rival, which interactions with the MC are cringe worthy
-The goddamn out of place comedy, which is not funny at all (Although this one is mostly a recent anime trope I started hating, most of recent anime tend to add comedy everywhere, as it needs to be funny every 2 minutes, there are some exceptions to this tho)

This is Fuuka all over again. I've been discussing this with @Ryuseishun ever since it started, I really wanted to like this anime, but the direction it's taking, the characters and the overall plot is so awful that it shadows any redeeming quality about it.

I won't bother anymore with you, because talking to someone who rates this 10/10 is equal to talking towards a wall.
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May 5, 2020 11:54 PM

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Rikuo better be marrying Haru by the last episode or I'll be rioting
May 6, 2020 12:37 AM
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SinlessOddity said:
I really like that, as far as I can tell, this anime adaptation has kept the 1990s setting of the original manga. This is apparent from the Walkmans, cassettes, non-digital cameras, and lack of cellphones. However, someone messed up drawing the backgrounds because the computer shown in the beginning of this episode has a flat screen monitor and what looks to be a more modern pc tower! I’m a little disappointed :(

According to google first LCD monitor was made 1964, and I think in the scene it is pretty old looking, still with 4:3 screen ratio, something like this:


Sure at that time in my country CRT was dominant, but it is Japan, they are (and were) further ahead in technology, and the gallery looks like a pretty fancy place to me, they might be able to afford an expensive LCD monitor.
And PC cases look the same since forever.
imSOuniqueMay 6, 2020 12:47 AM
May 6, 2020 3:53 AM

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PaninaManina said:
AdolZeppeli said:

The thing is, we got 4 episodes before with a decent pacing, and then we get this massive jump with almost no context. Even if the lapse was shown "visually" the transition between the last one and this was awful.

Doesn't help either that these characters didn't had any significant growth in that lapse, except Rikou who regressed by getting jealous of a random plot device.


There was also a equal jump in time between episode 1 and 2, that maybe some didn't noticed.

Ryuseishun said:

Not like knowing that really helps. Even if it was obvious, the chosen “siegeway” from one subplot to a new one wasn’t necessarily a good one.Why need the timeskip in the first place, anyway? Why not just introduce the new guy within a shorter time period? What about the main characters’ mutual progression during that timeframe? We just skip over it like nothing? If something unusual happened like one of them goes missing or is in a prolonged comatose state, then I wouldn’t question the timeskip. But no, it just feels like a new character pops in and then leaves right afterwards with not much change or meaningful addition to the main story.


Minato coming and going so fast IS THE POINT!
Yesterday may not be the most brilliant of histories but it does some things good and well, SUBTLY! Minato reflect both Rikuo and Haru. Rikuo moved back with his passion, Minato is rushing to move forward. Haru dropped from school to hide herself, Minato drops College to expose himself. "Didn't you see? It's like poetry, it rhymes..."

The "yesterday" in the tittle is because the four main characters (and some others) are stuck in the past. Differently from the main characters, Minato "veni, vidi, vici". Instead of falling in the same trap like the others the just saw the trap and quickly avoided it. He didn't stayed thinking about the past and what if, he just moved on with his life, easily, something that the main characters are unable to do.
Serves as contrast for us and as example for them.

For all the anime's faults, the problem is with you two @AdolZeppeli @Ryuseishun when you are unable to follow the visual narrative, something very strong in this anime. The high quality animation isn't there just to show of, it serves a purpose.
Many people accused Minato of being "pretentious", but any of them noticed where exactly he was working?



What that "publishing firm" does is actually photobooks for gravure idols, including nude models, softcore pornography. He is not really pretentious with his craft, he just have set goals.


Bibimbapski said:

Anyway, I think Rikuo is an asshole. I know that this take place in the 90s but that doesn't excuse his behavior towards Haru. People are saying they relate to him, that's fine. Personally, I don't and I have a huge issue with people like that in real life as well. I am not friends with people like him which is why I find his assholery annoying.


Haru is a stranger, Rikuo knows anything about her and is there uninvited without his permission.
He doesn't want her there, she gets in his way, she causes him stress when he wants to be alone and peach.
No matter how cute and genki Haru can be she is just an annoyance in his life for now.


Never said I liked Haru. She's not my favorite character. I also think she's fucking annoying. As a matter of fact, none of the characters are my favorite. I'm just observing them equally but it doesn't change the fact that Rikuo is an asshole who cannot tell her directly to give up on him. He's been ambiguous so far. He promised to go to the movies with her and he stood her up, yeah he had his own reason but he still acted like a fucking asshole about it.
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May 6, 2020 5:46 AM

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Episode that satisfies me fully for the narration and the final twist, as far as I'm concerned, deserves applause. As the plot had appeared so far, I imagined a path already beaten instead of a foray by a new character, who displaced a little at the beginning of the episode, but even more at the end of the episode, and his sudden exit, from thickness to the story and outlines even more accurately the psyche of the characters. Excellent in terms of drawings and backgrounds. I hope those two come together, despite the fact that Morinome's character is not so negative, Haru is a really nice person and does not give up. The new ending is nice as usual.
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Bibimbapski said:

I'm just observing them equally but it doesn't change the fact that Rikuo is an asshole who cannot tell her directly to give up on him. He's been ambiguous so far. He promised to go to the movies with her and he stood her up, yeah he had his own reason but he still acted like a fucking asshole about it.


He already refused her and said plenty of times for her to go away that she is bothering and I can't believe that people are still on this "stood her up!"

AdolZeppeli said:
@PaninaManina

You wish the visual narrative was the worst part of this anime, This anime is so full of tropes I hate it's unbearable:

-Nosy annoying stupid girl that somehow likes the MC, which only redeemable quality is that her design is decent. She also spread very pretentious monologues and very conveniently ALWAYS manage to step in whenever Rikou is.
-Dense MC that doesn't get a clue, is a manchild and has a very questionable development
-That girl the MC share a past with, that will probably lose but it's still there to add melodrama.
-The MC's rival, which interactions with the MC are cringe worthy
-The goddamn out of place comedy, which is not funny at all (Although this one is mostly a recent anime trope I started hating, most of recent anime tend to add comedy everywhere, as it needs to be funny every 2 minutes, there are some exceptions to this tho)

This is Fuuka all over again. I've been discussing this with @Ryuseishun ever since it started, I really wanted to like this anime, but the direction it's taking, the characters and the overall plot is so awful that it shadows any redeeming quality about it.

I won't bother anymore with you, because talking to someone who rates this 10/10 is equal to talking towards a wall.


You're out of your mind.
When did I said that this is an "10/10"? And the things you listed isn't what we where discussing here! Weren't we talking about the execution? How the anime is adapting the story, how the episodes are being directed, how the animations is being used? It's mostly this what we are talking about.

No one said that the story is brilliant, since the beginning those who had read the manga are talking about how the anime can and is improving the story making plenty of cuts.
The downside for the style of execution they choose is that people are being unusually hard about "this adult story", and how I already comment, many are also being more juvenile than usual with their comments.
May 6, 2020 9:24 AM

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PaninaManina said:

You're out of your mind.
When did I said that this is an "10/10"? And the things you listed isn't what we where discussing here! Weren't we talking about the execution? How the anime is adapting the story, how the episodes are being directed, how the animations is being used? It's mostly this what we are talking about.

No one said that the story is brilliant, since the beginning those who had read the manga are talking about how the anime can and is improving the story making plenty of cuts.
The downside for the style of execution they choose is that people are being unusually hard about "this adult story", and how I already comment, many are also being more juvenile than usual with their comments.


That was judging from the score you have on your profile.

Sure, one of my main complaints of this episode was the transition from ep4 and 5 that felt odd, considering the events of ep4, but some of the things that Ryuseishun pointed out are part of the things that made ep5 worse. Visual presentation can be as good as you want, but that alone is not enough to carry all it's flaws. Little will I care about visual details if I'm not invested in the characters and the overall plot, specially if a new character appears just as a plot device in an attempt to give Haru more background and give Rikou a very stupid moment of jealousy.

If you think that we are unable to follow a visual narrative, then you're wrong, because Fruits Basket also relies on it's visual details for it's narrative, the difference being, that the characters doesn't suck and the overall plot is good. The thing is, no matter how good something may be, there's something that will ruin that experience. Visual Narrative might be good here, but little does it add if I'm not invested on it. You're making it look like Visual Narrative alone is enough to forgive this anime, which it isn't true.
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May 6, 2020 9:37 AM

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AdolZeppeli said:

That was judging from the score you have on your profile.


Never care so much about MAL scores.

AdolZeppeli said:

Sure, one of my main complaints of this episode was the transition from ep4 and 5 that felt odd, considering the events of ep4, but some of the things that Ryuseishun pointed out are part of the things that made ep5 worse. Visual presentation can be as good as you want, but that alone is not enough to carry all it's flaws. Little will I care about visual details if I'm not invested in the characters and the overall plot, specially if a new character appears just as a plot device in an attempt to give Haru more background and give Rikou a very stupid moment of jealousy.

If you think that we are unable to follow a visual narrative, then you're wrong, because Fruits Basket also relies on it's visual details for it's narrative, the difference being, that the characters doesn't suck and the overall plot is good. The thing is, no matter how good something may be, there's something that will ruin that experience. Visual Narrative might be good here, but little does it add if I'm not invested on it. You're making it look like Visual Narrative alone is enough to forgive this anime, which it isn't true.


I'm arguing about what I disagree from the opinions I read here. The art/animation and direction in this anime is very good. Because of the amount of cuts they're telling a lot visually. Some may miss, but it's there. I'm sure that there's a lot that I'm also missing, but this is my fault, not the anime's fault.

Excluding the technical aspects that cam be discussed, if it's enough to "carry the flaws", that's with each one to decide, because the reasons to like and dislike can vary a lot. There's also plenty for me to dislike and criticize like I'm doing with every episode extensively. Some here may have missed, it seems, but I compared and pointed how the story of this arc was changed for the worse...
May 6, 2020 3:52 PM
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I just wanted to know how accurate to the manga has the past 5 episodes been. Is it very different from the manga?
May 6, 2020 5:58 PM

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PaninaManina said:
Bibimbapski said:

I'm just observing them equally but it doesn't change the fact that Rikuo is an asshole who cannot tell her directly to give up on him. He's been ambiguous so far. He promised to go to the movies with her and he stood her up, yeah he had his own reason but he still acted like a fucking asshole about it.


He already refused her and said plenty of times for her to go away that she is bothering and I can't believe that people are still on this "stood her up!"



He agreed to meet her to watch the movie. He agreed to it and didn't show up. I call that being stood up.
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vvhat a truly great and interesting episode
maybe vve'll see the guy vvith the camera again
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Rikuo is finally trying in his life, hooray
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imSOunique said:
SinlessOddity said:
I really like that, as far as I can tell, this anime adaptation has kept the 1990s setting of the original manga. This is apparent from the Walkmans, cassettes, non-digital cameras, and lack of cellphones. However, someone messed up drawing the backgrounds because the computer shown in the beginning of this episode has a flat screen monitor and what looks to be a more modern pc tower! I’m a little disappointed :(

According to google first LCD monitor was made 1964, and I think in the scene it is pretty old looking, still with 4:3 screen ratio, something like this:


Sure at that time in my country CRT was dominant, but it is Japan, they are (and were) further ahead in technology, and the gallery looks like a pretty fancy place to me, they might be able to afford an expensive LCD monitor.
And PC cases look the same since forever.


After researching the matter I think it's highly improbable to have an LCD display in this time period and is made even more unlikely given the environment it is in (not a top of the line institution). Firstly, 1964 is the year in which the precursor to the CRT monitor was developed, not LCD which was first introduced into the market in the mid 1990s (one of the first being the Eizo L66) and it wasn't until 2003 that they were outselling CRT monitors. Most of the early LCD displays were used in laptops, not desktops as they initial had poor dynamic range. Secondly, no monitor is present in the chapter from which this episode is based on (chapter 28). Lastly, this none of the LCD monitors of the era match the design shown.
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SinlessOddity said:
imSOunique said:

According to google first LCD monitor was made 1964, and I think in the scene it is pretty old looking, still with 4:3 screen ratio, something like this:


Sure at that time in my country CRT was dominant, but it is Japan, they are (and were) further ahead in technology, and the gallery looks like a pretty fancy place to me, they might be able to afford an expensive LCD monitor.
And PC cases look the same since forever.


After researching the matter I think it's highly improbable to have an LCD display in this time period and is made even more unlikely given the environment it is in (not a top of the line institution). Firstly, 1964 is the year in which the precursor to the CRT monitor was developed, not LCD which was first introduced into the market in the mid 1990s (one of the first being the Eizo L66) and it wasn't until 2003 that they were outselling CRT monitors. Most of the early LCD displays were used in laptops, not desktops as they initial had poor dynamic range. Secondly, no monitor is present in the chapter from which this episode is based on (chapter 28). Lastly, this none of the LCD monitors of the era match the design shown.

Yeah, you are probably right. Since I think it looks like having 4:3 screen ratio, it looked retro enough for me.
They might have decided to draw an LCD monitor, because having there a 10kg CRT one could have ruined the overall very clean look of the anime a bit. We used to have CRT in the distant past and it is not a pretty sight :D
imSOuniqueMay 8, 2020 12:23 AM
May 8, 2020 7:31 AM

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So I need clarification on Haru's age.
In the end of episode 3 she said she was 18, but now we meet a former classmate of hers that is currently doing his 2nd year of university, won't that make him 20-21?
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May 8, 2020 3:14 PM
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I think Rikuo learned a lot this episode. While he might not explicitly say it, he cares for Haru. I enjoyed the rivalry between Rikuo and Minato more than the one between Rikuo and Rou. Minato actually seemed to pose a threat, where as I never actually believed Rou had a chance with Shinako.
Some really stand out shots this week; the scene on the stairs where Haru and Minato share a drink and Minato's confession in particular had a couple well composed shots and very warm tones despite the context of the scenes being quite heavy.
May 8, 2020 4:51 PM

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Oh no! The new guy has the college freshman syndrome hahaha The romantic song that played when Minato started talking about his high school love made me laugh lol

But seriously... Minato was only up for an episode... And although at first I thought he was an annoying brat just like Uozumi did, I *really* liked the way he confessed to Haru. The whole thing actually brought tears to my eyes. How Haru wanted the handshake... Idk, life is beautiful. The picture at the end, too t_t

Argh, this anime is great.
May 8, 2020 4:55 PM
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AdolZeppeli said:
@PaninaManina

You wish the visual narrative was the worst part of this anime, This anime is so full of tropes I hate it's unbearable:

-Nosy annoying stupid girl that somehow likes the MC, which only redeemable quality is that her design is decent. She also spread very pretentious monologues and very conveniently ALWAYS manage to step in whenever Rikou is.
-Dense MC that doesn't get a clue, is a manchild and has a very questionable development
-That girl the MC share a past with, that will probably lose but it's still there to add melodrama.
-The MC's rival, which interactions with the MC are cringe worthy
-The goddamn out of place comedy, which is not funny at all (Although this one is mostly a recent anime trope I started hating, most of recent anime tend to add comedy everywhere, as it needs to be funny every 2 minutes, there are some exceptions to this tho)

This is Fuuka all over again. I've been discussing this with @Ryuseishun ever since it started, I really wanted to like this anime, but the direction it's taking, the characters and the overall plot is so awful that it shadows any redeeming quality about it.

I won't bother anymore with you, because talking to someone who rates this 10/10 is equal to talking towards a wall.

What's wrong with the visuals? I would say this show's overall art/animation is clearly the best this season (next to BNA, but BNA has a very different style, they are not really comparable). Even in scenes where not a whole lot is going on, characters are moving, they are switching between various camera angles. Characters have varying outfits, so far Haru has not worn the same outfit twice. If you pause the anime like at any time background art is so good it fits to be an HD wallpaper.

In this day and age everything has already been done, every single anime character is based on a trope, you can always fit them in a category if you want. The question is how unique is that character made to set it apart from his/her peers. Haru is the 'energetic' girl, but I would say she is quite unique in her category. I couldn't really name a character in recent years who she would bear a close resemblance with.

MC is not dense at all, it is very clear that he knows Haru likes him and he clearly informs Haru that he does not feel the same way. Things might be changing (?) as in this episode he shows signs of jealousy, I wouldn't say he's cruel to Haru, he's just awkward af.
I would say especially in this episode he reaches a rather large development (not like usual protagonists, that in a matter of an episode: "ok I had THE character development episode, now I can go kill the bad guy"). In the episodes before he was "keeping his options open", but now he finally chose a direction, applying to a job that has actually something to do with what he might want to do in the future, and also investing into a rather expensive camera. Yes, the engagement ring would have been a better choice :'(

Yes, Shinako shares a past with the MC (they aren't even childhood friends, I believe they only met in college, so like 5 years ago?), but you know there has to be some kind of connection between them or she wouldn't be in the anime. And again nowadays there is a trope for literally every character, the question is how unique they can make her within her role. I would say, a deceased past love interest who she cannot move past isn't that common.

The MC's rival has just gone on a world tour, that's not a typical rival.
And about Rou, I would say Haru and MC's colleague keeps calling him his "rival" in a satirical way. He is a rival in what? Currently they both get no recognition from whom they are supposedly rivaling over.

So overall I would say this show is quite unique in most aspects, there hasn't been anything similar in recent years. I kinda like most of the characters, Rou not so much, but he hasn't had much screentime. For me Haru is definitely carrying the show, without the "goddamn out of place comedy" and "very pretentious monologues" she delivers I probably wouldn't be watching, I just cannot bear these way too serious drama animes. I am not saying they are bad, they are just not for me. This anime, if you don't like the characters, is apparently not for you, and it is totally fine, not everybody has to like the same stuff.


About the time skip: You figured out it pretty quickly that there was one, so would it change a lot if they wrote at the very beginning of the episode "x time has passed"? People like throwing around the word "pacing" like it would mean anything. Did you understand the episode? Yes. Then it is good pacing.
Timeskips are happening because they will adopt the entire manga in the 18 episodes. I strongly prefer skipping some not so important stuff, than "finishing the story in next season" (what most of the time is never happening).
Also there are short videos of extra scenes in between the episodes:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1837827
The first is my favourite, poor Haru didn't get the album cover she wanted :'(
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May 8, 2020 5:36 PM
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PaninaManina said:
Anyway, it's already more than ten years since I first read this arc in the manga and I'm still refuse to fully accept. Even if Haru had accepted Minato nothing would change because he would still left to travel the world, but that he meet someone who really cares about her, lost him, an submitted herself to Rikuo's vile treatment for so long... it's revolting.
It's even sadder when you think how Minato politely "rekt" Rikuo with the competition.

Nah, refusing him was the correct move, he got a closure, so he could leave without any regrets. If she's polite and says "maybe", even though she's still after Rikuo, then it would have given false hope to Minato, and he could have a bit of a doubt: is it really the correct move to go travel the world, when there is a tiny bit of a chance his crush might like him back.

It doesn't matter who won the photo competition, Haru has other reasons, she is clearly not aiming for the more successful photographer.
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imSOunique said:
AdolZeppeli said:
@PaninaManina

You wish the visual narrative was the worst part of this anime, This anime is so full of tropes I hate it's unbearable:

-Nosy annoying stupid girl that somehow likes the MC, which only redeemable quality is that her design is decent. She also spread very pretentious monologues and very conveniently ALWAYS manage to step in whenever Rikou is.
-Dense MC that doesn't get a clue, is a manchild and has a very questionable development
-That girl the MC share a past with, that will probably lose but it's still there to add melodrama.
-The MC's rival, which interactions with the MC are cringe worthy
-The goddamn out of place comedy, which is not funny at all (Although this one is mostly a recent anime trope I started hating, most of recent anime tend to add comedy everywhere, as it needs to be funny every 2 minutes, there are some exceptions to this tho)

This is Fuuka all over again. I've been discussing this with @Ryuseishun ever since it started, I really wanted to like this anime, but the direction it's taking, the characters and the overall plot is so awful that it shadows any redeeming quality about it.

I won't bother anymore with you, because talking to someone who rates this 10/10 is equal to talking towards a wall.

What's wrong with the visuals? I would say this show's overall art/animation is clearly the best this season (next to BNA, but BNA has a very different style, they are not really comparable). Even in scenes where not a whole lot is going on, characters are moving, they are switching between various camera angles. Characters have varying outfits, so far Haru has not worn the same outfit twice. If you pause the anime like at any time background art is so good it fits to be an HD wallpaper.

In this day and age everything has already been done, every single anime character is based on a trope, you can always fit them in a category if you want. The question is how unique is that character made to set it apart from his/her peers. Haru is the 'energetic' girl, but I would say she is quite unique in her category. I couldn't really name a character in recent years who she would bear a close resemblance with.

MC is not dense at all, it is very clear that he knows Haru likes him and he clearly informs Haru that he does not feel the same way. Things might be changing (?) as in this episode he shows signs of jealousy, I wouldn't say he's cruel to Haru, he's just awkward af.
I would say especially in this episode he reaches a rather large development (not like usual protagonists, that in a matter of an episode: "ok I had THE character development episode, now I can go kill the bad guy"). In the episodes before he was "keeping his options open", but now he finally chose a direction, applying to a job that has actually something to do with what he might want to do in the future, and also investing into a rather expensive camera. Yes, the engagement ring would have been a better choice :'(

Yes, Shinako shares a past with the MC (they aren't even childhood friends, I believe they only met in college, so like 5 years ago?), but you know there has to be some kind of connection between them or she wouldn't be in the anime. And again nowadays there is a trope for literally every character, the question is how unique they can make her within her role. I would say, a deceased past love interest who she cannot move past isn't that common.

The MC's rival has just gone on a world tour, that's not a typical rival.
And about Rou, I would say Haru and MC's colleague keeps calling him his "rival" in a satirical way. He is a rival in what? Currently they both get no recognition from whom they are supposedly rivaling over.

So overall I would say this show is quite unique in most aspects, there hasn't been anything similar in recent years. I kinda like most of the characters, Rou not so much, but he hasn't had much screentime. For me Haru is definitely carrying the show, without the "goddamn out of place comedy" and "very pretentious monologues" she delivers I probably wouldn't be watching, I just cannot bear these way too serious drama animes. I am not saying they are bad, they are just not for me. This anime, if you don't like the characters, is apparently not for you, and it is totally fine, not everybody has to like the same stuff.


About the time skip: You figured out it pretty quickly that there was one, so would it change a lot if they wrote at the very beginning of the episode "x time has passed"? People like throwing around the word "pacing" like it would mean anything. Did you understand the episode? Yes. Then it is good pacing.
Timeskips are happening because they will adopt the entire manga in the 18 episodes. I strongly prefer skipping some not so important stuff, than "finishing the story in next season" (what most of the time is never happening).
Also there are short videos of extra scenes in between the episodes:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1837827
The first is my favourite, poor Haru didn't get the album cover she wanted :'(


Thanks for writing me a bible about how biased you are towards this show.

Now, Visuals and Art Style are complete different topics, the Art Style is good, I give you that, and I never say anything against the visuals, I just don't care about the "visual narrative" the other guy was talking about since this anime's characters and overall plot suck that much that I just don't give a shit about it.

Haru might be as unique as you want her to be, but that doesn't change the fact that she's an annoying brat, who is nosy who conveniently almost always happens to stumble across Rikou. I won't care about "uniqueness" if the character in question is insufferable.

Please, Rikou's "development" is forced, specially due to that random time skip and through plot conveniences, he also only got jealous because a plot device was forced into the story. Maybe dense wasn't the right world, but overall, his character just suck hard.

At this point in the story Shinako's presence just seems almost pointless, as if she only exists to conveniently make an awkward moment between two idiots, other than that she did absolutely nothing worth in this episode.

There's a reason why I said his interactions with Rikou are Cringe-worthy

Look, comedy in a drama show isn't bad, but timing AND setting matters, and this comedy isn't even good to begin with. Good for you for liking Haru, I couldn't give a shit about that information you just gave me, that just means you're biased towards her.

Actually I had a hard time figuring out there was a time skip and what was going on, I just noticed the terrible transition between one and another. So no, it wasn't good. As for the shorts, do you really think I would give a damn about it?

Now, if you please, try to understand that there are negative opinions too, thank you for your time.


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People understand that they can just drop shows that they don't like right?

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AdolZeppeli said:
Thanks for writing me a bible about how biased you are towards this show.

You are welcome. Yes, I am biased, you are also biased towards whatever you like, that's how the world works.
I wrote an other Bible just for you:

AdolZeppeli said:
Now, Visuals and Art Style are complete different topics, the Art Style is good, I give you that, and I never say anything against the visuals, I just don't care about the "visual narrative" the other guy was talking about since this anime's characters and overall plot suck that much that I just don't give a shit about it.

You care about it or not, fact is that the overall visual presentation of the show is pretty well done, it is not just your usual slideshow as most anime. I am not saying the "normal" way is bad, but I really appreciate it when they put in the extra effort in visual directing. It can be the difference between a good show and a great show.
I personally didn't like Violet Evergarden, but I can admit its art is amazing.

AdolZeppeli said:
Haru might be as unique as you want her to be, but that doesn't change the fact that she's an annoying brat, who is nosy who conveniently almost always happens to stumble across Rikou. I won't care about "uniqueness" if the character in question is insufferable.

Whether you like a character or not is entirely up to your preferences, it is not an objective fact. Uniqueness sort of is. If we have less of something, it worths more, that's why gold is more valuable than copper.
Haru "conveniently almost always happens to stumble across Rikou". What do you mean? She knows where he works, if she wants to meet him, it isn't a herculean task to actually meet him. Even when not planned it is not that unlikely that they stumble upon each other. They work and live pretty close to each other, they are working till the same time of the day, and opposed to today where they would just take the bus, they are walking home.
Of course, random encounters are present in every anime, if sometimes characters don't randomly stumble upon each other, then we have real life, where these "fateful encounters" happen very rarely, the "plot" is progressing damn slow as well.

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Please, Rikou's "development" is forced, specially due to that random time skip and through plot conveniences, he also only got jealous because a plot device was forced into the story. Maybe dense wasn't the right world, but overall, his character just suck hard.

What so "forced" about it? He is "developing" due to a job offer his friend hook him up with (as he mentions at the beginning of the episode and seen in the 4th short clip), not due to black magic. In real life too getting a new job (especially if in a new field) usually means "character development", you meet with new people, get into new situations.
Also, they are not time skipping because that's their hobby or something, in an ideal world with unlimited budget, they would make a 50 episodes long show and they wouldn't have to skip anything.
This "his character just suck hard" is the most unbiased opinion I have read up till now. In a recent study, they made an outstanding discovery: If you don't like the characters in a show, there is a high chance you won't like the show itself.
"I personally don't like this character" is not a too valid point of criticism. I don't like Fruits Basket, because I find the characters incredibly boring, therefore I am not watching Fruits Basket. That doesn't mean Fruits Basket is shit, it is just not an anime for me.

AdolZeppeli said:
At this point in the story Shinako's presence just seems almost pointless, as if she only exists to conveniently make an awkward moment between two idiots, other than that she did absolutely nothing worth in this episode.

Actually this is the most objective point you made, indeed she isn't doing a whole lot recently. I personally don't really mind it though, but whoever is on "team Shinako" might. Then again not every single character can be the main focus of every single episode.

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There's a reason why I said his interactions with Rikou are Cringe-worthy

What can be this super cringy? They met like 2 times and talked for like 5 minutes (who are we talking about tho).
Mitsuo willingly didn't get along with Rikuo, as he thinks his high school crush is Rikuo's girlfriend now, and sort of tires to prove (at least to himself) that he is better than that guy. In his shoes I wouldn't like to get along with Rikuo as well, it is an understandable human reaction.
As I mentioned before I find the "rivalry" between Rou and Rikuo pretty funny, neither of them got any sort of a positive answer at all from the 3rd party. It is not your usual "girl cannot choose who she loves more" situation.

AdolZeppeli said:
Look, comedy in a drama show isn't bad, but timing AND setting matters, and this comedy isn't even good to begin with. Good for you for liking Haru, I couldn't give a shit about that information you just gave me, that just means you're biased towards her.

Comedy is the single most subjective thing ever.
I like Haru's character and yes, that means I am biased towards her. You dislike her character which means you are biased against her. What else is new?

AdolZeppeli said:
Actually I had a hard time figuring out there was a time skip and what was going on, I just noticed the terrible transition between one and another. So no, it wasn't good. As for the shorts, do you really think I would give a damn about it?

There are usually 2 reactions to non-linear storytelling:
- What on earth is going on?? PACING IS OVER -9000
- And I usually like figuring out whatever is going on.
Yes, non-linear storytelling is not usual in this genre, but they are also not doing it just to mess with people, they just need to cut parts of the manga, so they can tell the entire story in 18 episodes.

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Now, if you please, try to understand that there are negative opinions too, thank you for your time.

Yes, your opinion is a negative one, my is a positive, that's what a discussion is, that's the point of MAL.
We don't even need to agree, some people like X kind of stuff, others like Y kind of stuff.
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I refuse to quote, or even read all that shit, so I'll just say this:

Uniqueness doesn't equals good. You may have a very unique show in your hands, but if ideas and execution fail, you do nothing with the "uniqueness" you created, it means nothing, so no, uniqueness is not an objective statement.

Also, non-linear stories doesn't have to be this bad (specially since at first it seemed linear) I can name a couple of shows that use this narrative and exceed at it. Personally, I love connecting dots of non linear stories, but there's simply little to no dots to connect here, unless you watch those specials you mentioned, which, SHOULDN'T EXIST. If they explain stuff vital to the main story why the eff did they cut it out of the main story? There's nothing worse than trying to tell a big tale in a short amount of time, cutting small details that could make the overall thing better.

Now, I'll take my leave, let's agree to disagree because we're simply going in circles here.

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People understand that they can just drop shows that they don't like right?


I have a question for you, what's better? an unfinished opinion that could be wrong because it lacks the rest of the show, or a finished opinion? If you're able to understand that, then you'll realize how stupid the statement "if you don't like it, why keep watching" is.
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"let me show you with all my bias how I think you're are the one biased!"

imSOunique said:

What's wrong with the visuals? I would say this show's overall art/animation is clearly the best this season (next to BNA, but BNA has a very different style, they are not really comparable).


BNA doesn't look bad at all, but like you said, it's a completely different stile of animation, very stylized requiring less frames, it's not the same type of strong basics seem here in Yesterday.
Plus, I tried to watch but I couldn't, I dropped by episode 5 in rage... anyway, if you aren't watching you need to watch Wave, Listen to Me! It's great and the animation there is also super strong and surprising. Now that most series are stopping don't miss Wave!
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wow i loved this episode.........

but even more i love Haru
May 9, 2020 7:38 PM

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So I need clarification on Haru's age.
In the end of episode 3 she said she was 18, but now we meet a former classmate of hers that is currently doing his 2nd year of university, won't that make him 20-21?


Seriously. NO ONE seems to engage with this logic (I've got at least two posts about it in this thread alone! and a few other places to boot, and not a single person in any of them has even replied to it, let alone started to answer the questions or the likes). Best case he's 19. and thus she is. 18 when graduating HS and first year 19 in second year.

This means at least a full year has already gone by in the show, but it's at most showed a few seasons, so maybe 6 months. In other words, I'm extremely confused by the timing of things now too.
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AdolZeppeli said:
TsukuyomiREKT said:
People understand that they can just drop shows that they don't like right?


I have a question for you, what's better? an unfinished opinion that could be wrong because it lacks the rest of the show, or a finished opinion? If you're able to understand that, then you'll realize how stupid the statement "if you don't like it, why keep watching" is.

It depends on the person. I surely won't force myself watching anything that doesn't hook me in in the first few episodes, I don't have that kind of time anymore, sometimes I don't finish even things that I liked.

AdolZeppeli said:
Uniqueness doesn't equals good. You may have a very unique show in your hands, but if ideas and execution fail, you do nothing with the "uniqueness" you created, it means nothing, so no, uniqueness is not an objective statement.

For me usually a show has to have something unique about it for me to watch it, if it does not, then "I have already seen it", I tend to not watch these animes that are the exact same as a season before, but in a different mask. So for me uniqueness is quite an important aspect. The show tries something new, then yes, I will either like it or not, but at least it tried. Like this "Wave, Listen to Me!" PaninaManina mentioned has a quite unique setting, but at least for now, I am not feeling it.
But for example besides Madoka, the magical girl series I will remember the most will always be Magical Girl Site. There are a shitton of dark magical series, but usually most of them basically copied Madoka. Magical Girl Site instead of going with the usual hard level suffering, it went fkin Path of doomed difficulty level suffering, it was so super over the top, it was genius.

AdolZeppeli said:
Also, non-linear stories doesn't have to be this bad (specially since at first it seemed linear) I can name a couple of shows that use this narrative and exceed at it. Personally, I love connecting dots of non linear stories, but there's simply little to no dots to connect here, unless you watch those specials you mentioned, which, SHOULDN'T EXIST. If they explain stuff vital to the main story why the eff did they cut it out of the main story? There's nothing worse than trying to tell a big tale in a short amount of time, cutting small details that could make the overall thing better.

I only watched the extra scenes after I watched the 5th episode, it wasn't that especially hard to figure out that there was a timeskip, all of a sudden Rikuo gets a new job and Haru and him seemed to be a lot closer than last episode (before they never just casually went out to eat). In the extra scene they only showed what he already said at the beginning of the episode, that his friend got him this new job.
I think they didn't have it in the episode because anime seems to have a very fixed format, and it simply didn't fit in the 23 minutes. Animes also only tend to air 12-13 episodes on TV, if it is longer like now and for example Boogiepop is 18 episodes, then 6 episodes will be OVA-s (or whatever they are called).

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Now, I'll take my leave, let's agree to disagree because we're simply going in circles here.

Indeed.

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hold on how did he get in the gallery job thing? did I miss something
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Fran said:
hold on how did he get in the gallery job thing? did I miss something


The extra for episode 4.
His friend from the first episode, the one with glasses that goes to visit him and talks about Shinako, Fukuda, told him about the job.
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Fran said:
hold on how did he get in the gallery job thing? did I miss something


The extra for episode 4.
His friend from the first episode, the one with glasses that goes to visit him and talks about Shinako, Fukuda, told him about the job.

wait what extra where can I watch that
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Fran said:

wait what extra where can I watch that


Torrent sites.
Episodes 1-4 had one.
There'll be two more, we don't know when.
They're just 2 minutes max.
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Fran said:
PaninaManina said:


The extra for episode 4.
His friend from the first episode, the one with glasses that goes to visit him and talks about Shinako, Fukuda, told him about the job.

wait what extra where can I watch that

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1837827
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Minato's role in this episode was really interesting as you can see his passion for photography. The picture he took of Haru was beautiful and it was funny seeing Rikou get jealous. Haru's character continues to get more interesting and this is probably my favorite episode yet
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Lol Minato so calm yet moves like the flash, left a new job, won 1st place moved on from rejected confession then flies out all in one episode. His pretentiousness was lol thinks like a true artist, snob that even looks down on the landscape & portrait genres.
Haru's been emotionally quite resilient & mature, while Rikuo's stuck in his tsundere flat personality. Hope that side of the relationship grows some depth.
Disjointed edits were quite jarring this ep compared to before, time skips with different characters, and implied skipped events were still comprehensible, but pretty weird put together.
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I like Minato, he's a nice and interesting guy. Things were about to get kinda annoying since the triangle intensified with him around but looks like he won't get that much screentime. I hope we get to see more of him thou.
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I felt like i just skipped an episode. good episode still but some parts of eps 5 had me lost like rikuo suddenly has another part time job now. or maybe i missed something
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This is starting to feel like Scum's Wish-lite, more subtle and tactful. That's not a criticism, though. Scum's Wish came across as campy, excessive, melodramatic, and pretentious. This is handling the themes much more tenderly, but with near equal honesty. Romance in the real world is far more often than not convoluted and infuriating just like this.

I could see Minato coming across as a filler character or plot device, but I dig what he added to the show. I like him... hopefully he appears again in a future episode.



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Oh look another character that got rejected xD

That Haru photo was actually pretty af
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Sad life man sad life guy loved her since high school that must be tough.
The fact that he won with something that he doesn’t like was really epic
he clearly said he was not interested in Portraits yet he took one of the best ones and won. 5/5

too bad we can’t see him again.
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Was it really necessary to focus on the can of orange juice? XD

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What a waste of episode. They just created a romantic rival just to disappear at the end. 2/5
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Meh, kind of a boring episode. Did we skip summer??? Every one is dressed in coats, so it's fall now, but it's been 2 years since Haru's class that she dropped out of graduated, right?? Since our new dude, Minato, is a 2nd year uni student... is Haru is 19 or 20 now?

FMmatron said:
Was it really necessary to focus on the can of orange juice? XD

I think the point was that it was supposed to be a visual gag because it looked like she was chugging a beer or something because of her relationship issues?? So they focused on the orange juice because she was just being dramatic and silly. I dont know, man😂
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Meh, kind of a boring episode. Did we skip summer??? Every one is dressed in coats, so it's fall now, but it's been 2 years since Haru's class that she dropped out of graduated, right?? Since our new dude, Minato, is a 2nd year uni student... is Haru is 19 or 20 now?

FMmatron said:
Was it really necessary to focus on the can of orange juice? XD

I think the point was that it was supposed to be a visual gag because it looked like she was chugging a beer or something because of her relationship issues?? So they focused on the orange juice because she was just being dramatic and silly. I dont know, man😂


The funny thing is, I checked the manga and she's actually drinking beer and smoking cigarettes xD Ok, let her drink her juice, but highlighting it is a tad too much. This is one thing I dislike in modern anime.

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Minato had a guts and really profesional as a man and photographer. Unfortunately your crush never accepted you because, yeah, she was too blinded with her love, even she accepted it as an accidentally love. Its really a good joke, man, really. And you had a wise decision there to left her there, because she was not worthy enough to be in your side. To hell with her, and Rikuo too, was so fuckin pussy. Just decide your choice or accepted her goddamned it!

Okay. Its enough. I feel pity, but i forgot that this show had a lot of drama. So, yeah, moved to another scenes.
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A new guy that likes Haru, I don't like this, glad that she rejected him.
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apc243 said:


How many different love quadrangles are we going to get randomly encountering each other walking home at night? This is already like 3 or 4 in 5 episodes...are there only two back roads in this entire city?

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We could have a new romantic rival every week, it could be the new Hoshiai No Sora domestic abuse of the week.

Shit, that seems stupid, but it might even work.

Minato-kun is the only person that's right in their mind so far. Too bad he's already gone, I liked the guy. Finally someone, who makes sense, reads others and seems to know what he's doing, even if he has not found his way yet.

Rikuo man, it's not the equipment, it's the technique that makes one a contender.
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New (temporary) rival Minato arrives and judging by Rikuo's reactions there, it seems somebody is a bit jealous that Haru is hanging out with a different guy. Haru's teasing there at the end was really cute.

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Well, I really wasn't expecting this coming from Minato, didn't know he was that nice.

Good to see that Rikuo is finally showing a little bit of his feelings towars Haru.
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