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TopgunUK said: Honestly as a manga reader who has at times been let down by fights in this show that I thought would've been given more attention by the animators, I thought the animation in this episode was great. There wasn't a lot of fighting shown directly but what was shown was very well done. The fact that he thinks a slideshow of super detailed but static coloured in panels from the Manga would've been better than the sakuga we got here says more about his own priorities than anything else, I would have hated that approach, it's lazy and takes you out of it completely. True, it's an anime after all. Resigning for some good animated scenes to a slideshow, even with beautiful shots, would be a waste, since animation has its own methods to deliver an artistic message which are different than in those used in a comic (well, it's kinda obvious, lol), even if the animation adapts a comic. Comics have their own specific elements, animations have their own as well. |
| Lol Askeladd doesn't disappoint, the grin on my face when he killed the king, dunno if the king getting too close to someone who's armed and he deliberately angered, doesn't really matter if it was a smart person or skilled like Askeladd, even if you angered a moron, if it has a weapon don't get close lol But will Thorfinn ever know who even hired Askeladd to kill Thors or is it even relevant, Floki gets away with something like that? 7/10 |
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| Yeah, at this point, I think it's safe to say that WIT is one of the best anime studios. They haven't done a whole lot and not everything has been amazing, but when they hit it out of the park, they REALLY hit it. They adapted something that was considered by most to be unadaptable, and did it almost perfectly. I really hope they decide to continue with VS, because it really deserves a continuous adaptation of this quality. |
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| What an ending. Askeladd died as he lived and went out like a champ. This episode is the perfect example of why he's my favourite character. I like how Thorfinn's life mission was ruined, was bittersweet and wasn't predictable. Best episode imo |
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| My favourite anime that I have ever seen. All aspects of the narrative resonated with me to a profound degree. The themes and characterisation were masterful, and the underlying anxieties are timeless. 10/10 for me, and the only anime that has been able to knock the nostalgia-god Naruto out of my number one spot - in just 24 episodes. I absolutely need to read the manga now. |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
| Holy shit I've never ever seen a finale to be praised that much on MAL , wow! Literally the best shows here had a lot of hate if you notice , except this anime Sadly the anime of the year has ended. Askeladd was surely one of the best characters ever , you can't even tell if you love him or hate him for what he did , but no joke , this guy is a true genius , hope he R.I.P , he did his role and served his Prince and country until the end. @Manga readers , who are the new characters? doesthe manga focus too much on them? what happens to old characters? I don't mind some spoilers. |
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Ahri-is-cute said: Holy shit I've never ever seen a finale to be praised that much on MAL , wow! Literally the best shows here had a lot of hate if you notice , except this anime Sadly the anime of the year has ended. Askeladd was surely one of the best characters ever , you can't even tell if you love him or hate him for what he did , but no joke , this guy is a true genius , hope he R.I.P , he did his role and served his Prince and country until the end. @Manga readers , who are the new characters? doesthe manga focus too much on them? what happens to old characters? I don't mind some spoilers. They are new characters that are introduced later into the series, you'll see one of them if there ever is a season 2. |
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| they executed every character well, nobody was a bystander at all everyone had purpose and connection that made with the viewer and the main casters. Season 2 will be indeed sad with no Askemadladd but there are still another fantastic characters like Thorkell and don't forget about Floki he was very pissed when he saw Canute going to the crown and asking to what he is.. Also Canute is also another fantastic character to look forward to on season 2. (oh and Thorfinn too) |
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Adnash93 said: deg said: manga has still frames so it looks better though drawing wise and damn the manga art is amazing for this Oh, alright then. As I said, I can't judge since I haven't read the manga. So compared to how Vinland Saga manga presented that scene, you say that anime adaptation was average? In terms of not only art, but filling emotions into this particular moment in the series etc. check out chapter 53 of the manga you can see it for yourself there |
| And finally Askeladd dies lmao I'm happy about that. I got what I wanted but not quite how I imagined I'd like it to be (I would've liked more brutal death for him) but I figured as much that they were going to give him this kind of send off. Everyone else apart from him came out losers lmao Canute - Loses Thorfinn and Askeladd Thorkell - Loses his prey Sweyn - Loses his life and does not get what he wants aka Canute being dead and not being in charge Floki - Loses King Sweyn Thorfinn - Loses his chance at a perfect revenge Literally everyone had to swallow it here lol Episode was fantastic and I liked it but I am interested to see how things go here without Askeladd around. Perhaps that brother of Canute will come swooping about and be the next big bad. Who knows. No announcements for S2 but there's a good chance it will happen but it's Wit Studios and they dropped SnK so not too sure either. |
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| holy...shit. Askeladd definitely one of the best developed anti-villain ive personally seen. man's a genius even if actually costed his life this last run of episodes had been amazing |
| Wow, what an ending. Give us season 2, Wit! |
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| Ohhh no more Askeladd... Damn I wanted to see him get really mad, like how when he split the other guy head in two. Floki was almost getting a taste of it. Damn perfect episode. |
| Askeladd didn't only save Canute and Wales. He also saved Beautiful ending :^) Season 2 please. |
| AOTY. Only Beastars, Babylon, and The Promised Neverland could be compared to this. Hope next year has an anime that would be on par with my 6th 10/10 anime. Kudos to Wit Studio and Makoto Yukimura. This deserves an S2 unlike those shitty shallow shows. |
TruceeDec 29, 2019 7:45 PM
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| askeladd best boy of the year ! |
| Incredible episode and what a finale. The moment Askeladd talked back to Sweyn, I figured he had some kind of plan but when he straight up just beheaded Sweyn I was astonished. I didn't expect to pull a stunt like that and the moments that followed were nothing short of epic. Askeladd for all the crimes he's comitted including killing Thors went out a hero saving both his homeland and Canute. Tragically no one except for a few people will ever remember him as a hero but everyone will remember him as a maniacal murderer. :( Thorfinn's reaction, damn. Now that his only goal in life is gone, what is he gonna do? It's a question that probably everyone wonders while watching this series and now I'm really curious, what is ever gonna do and how is he gonna move on from this? It's ironic, the story began with the death of Thorfinn's father and now it ends with Askeladd's death who was in a sense a father figure to Thorfiinn. It's also interesting how the last episode is titled as the ending of the prologue. Overall, easily one of the best shows of the season, if not the year and probably even the decade. I've seen so much praise for the manga that I was very excited for this anime adaptation and I'm glad to say that it lived up to everything I've heard. Nothing short of incredible at every point, in the story. The characters, despite not all of them being 'good' people are very compelling in their own right. Often while watching this show, I wonder what the point to all this brutal senseless violence is but between all the brutality in this show there's occasionally a real moment of humanity and compassion and it's perhaps their that the true essence of this show lies. That in all the senseless of humankind's violent past there was still hope and somewhere within all that chaos lies the answer to being a true warrior and seeing the beauty of the world and life. Is there really no love in the hearts of men? I wonder, would this story be where it is without it? 9/10, we need a second season now. I really don't know if I should read the manga or just wait for a 2nd season announcement. There's not way it's not happening right? |
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Pakumen- said: Also I hate pride, to the point of despise it. Good. So does the author of this story. You’re not supposed to like Thorfinn’s actions in the prologue arc. Obviously, he is never going to be the same after Askeladd’s death. |
| Wow I wasnt expecting this. Neither Askeladd suddenly beheading the king nor his death. I was getting ready for some political intrigues but not this. Great twist. Though considering Askeladd carried this show, I expect the rest to be unnecessarily drawn out with a boringly obnoxious MC. 8/10 because the end was so good. Anything more is stretching it. This story just isnt a masterpiece. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Great episode! RIP Askeladd. Hopefully thorfinn takes what askeladd said to heart. I loved this anime. I think I might start reading the manga. |
Hatsuyuki said:   This is all that needs to be shown. 10/10 2nd best anime of the decade (behind Hunter x Hunter) |
hirahira said: Good. So does the author of this story. You’re not supposed to like Thorfinn’s actions in the prologue arc. Obviously, he is never going to be the same after Askeladd’s death. I mean, I kinda get that, but it's not only Thorfinn, the entire cast are moved by pride. Vikings fight to die like warriors and only care about their pride in battle and family. Askeladd put a martyr for his country, Thorfinn couldn't stealth kill Askeladd due to his pride being so high, and overall I can't stand actions that are followed by ego or selfish behavior. And I know it sounds hypocritical, because I am a little bit selfish as well, but it is not that I not understand where they are coming from or how they think, I just don't understand why would you do something like that (this also applies IRL). I know Thorfinn is going to mature a lot, but still, he is a painful character to watch and interact, and 24 episodes of the same kid being obnoxious are 12 hours of me seeing that obnoxious kid. That won't change. It's a similar situation to Eren and how everyone loves him, when they called him the Princess Peach of SNK before. |
| @RealTheAbsurdist 1. Tropes are not the only thing I used to define them as genres, they're just the things I gave as example. It's the collection of these things that have evolved into a complex genre. general character archetypes, themes, plot layouts, settings [...] shounen (or shounjo or seinen or josei) in particular amass a lot of certain tropes, art styles (shoujo in particular on this one), content, story layouts, etc, especially when they intersect with other genres like action, romance, etc. 2. That's not what I said and the vast majority of manga do not have seinen, shoujo, shounen, or jousei tags. They're not integral. So your multiply loaded question is null. 3. And they're also treated as genres by a significant if not majority of fans and the overwhelming majority of sites, such as MAL, Crunchyroll, etc. They're not just demographics at this point. I've already defined what a genre is, and if you want to argue that the aforementioned categories do not fall into the definition of "a category of artistic, musical, or literary composition characterized by a particular style, form, or content/subject matter" we have nothing to talk about. I highly doubt either mind will be changed. 4. Literally irrelevant to anything I've said. I've literally never implied otherwise. And I do mean literally. Do I need to say literally again to get this point across? 5. Your point? Plenty of genres share tropes and commonalities. |
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| RIP Askeladd, I thought he would live more. Thorfinn lost his meaning of life for now. Really impactul end of prologue. See you guys in the manga discussion threads. |
| Next arc is my favorite because we will see THorfinn development as a characters, but goddam no announcement for s2 |
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| Lmao 8.87, im so glad for Vinland Saga. |
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RealTheAbsurdist said: Okay, but you're not giving a concrete definition of what makes a shounen anime, a shounen, or a seinen anime, a seinen anime. What does an anime need to have to be classified as a shounen? For example. What are the collection of these things? As to what makes something Seinen or Shounen, there is a laundry list things, be it common tropes, general character archetypes, themes, plot layouts, settings, etc. As to what those tropes, settings and such are, they get more specific or discarded as certain genres (romance, historical, etc) overlap or diverge. An actual example would be stuff like the power of friendship, hard work bringing rewards, etc, being shounen, typically with genres such as action. Shounen, Seinen and the like are very unique in that sense, they're far more abstract and complex genres than something like romance or action, and I definitely get why people don't wanna call them genres or think they're not, but you cannot deny that shounen (or shounjo or seinen or josei) in particular amass a lot of certain tropes, art styles (shoujo in particular on this one), content, story layouts, etc, especially when they intersect with other genres like action, romance, etc. I'm not going to play that game where some pedantic PITA questions every single word down the etymological basis. If that quote is not comprehensive enough for you, tough shit. I shouldn't have to give you a list of every angle, material, and build process when telling you that a knife is a cutting instrument. I've given you both a macro and a micro explanation as well as examples.RealTheAbsurdist said: And I don't think I said you did, I said I didn't say what you said I did in this quote, which amounts to tropes being the only definer. I don't think I quoted you saying that. I don't know any manga that don't have a shounen/seinen/shoujo/jousei tag. I'll say you're right: that anime are defined as being shounen or seinen by what tropes they have. 1. Made in Abyss 2. Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon 3. Overlord 4. ReLIFE 5. Onanie Master Kurosawa Though I'm certainly wrong about the majority thing. That doesn't change the point that such tags are obviously not integral for manga and even more obviously not integral for anime or LNs. That also said, depending on whether or not you're treating it as a demographic or a genre, and what defines whether or not they deserve such a label (an example of one such argument is being published in a shounen/seinen/shoujo/jousei mag, an argument I have already stated why I disagree with [re: berserk being published in a shojo mag]), they can arguably be shoehorned into just about anything from any place. RealTheAbsurdist said: Ah yes, everyone else, the vast majority is wrong (granted possible, but highly unlikely), you're right. You don't have to prove or explain why they're wrong, or why the vast majority of people think this, just assert it. Totally fair, totally sensical. It's totally not like words can take on multiple meanings across geographic landscapes and countries and change over time. I think those sites give false info on that. If you go to Japan, and ask a Japanese creator if shonen is a genre, I'm pretty sure they'll say no. In Japan ice mean icecream, but sure doesn't any fuckin where else. That does not mean ice does not mean icecream. Especially inside Japan. If you don't see my point here, this is even more hopeless than I thought. RealTheAbsurdist said: A genre is not as complicated as you're making it out to be: an anime is a romance when one of the main focuses is romance. What does a shounen anime focus on, to make it a shounen? Besides that, genres have sub genres: for example, sub genres of romance include: Genre: a category of artistic, musical, or literary composition characterized by a particular style, form, or content/subject matter That doesn't seem very complex to me. What a genre is, is not complex. A given genre can be complex. I'm not playing this game. Do the following, shounen, shoujo seinen, jousei, fall into that definition? Yes, they do, ergo, they're genres. Do try and tell me that shounen (or any of the others), especially when they intersect with other genres like action, romance, harem, etc, are not generally highly similar, sharing style, form or content. Do tell me that manga like Kimetsu no Yaiba, Boku no Hero, Naruto, HxH, etc aren't all extremely similar, sharing tropes, character archetypes, plot structures, themes, etc. Considering a lot of people agree shounen (among the others) is a genre, that in it of itself throws a wrench into your ideas. And since those labels fall under the literal definition of the term genre, and the fact that words can take on multiple meanings, evolve over time and can be used as slang, it's become a genre. Whether you like it or not, think it's wrong or right. It is. And before you play the game of "That's not what it's supposed to / original mean(t)", refer to "words evolve over time" and the etymological history of words such as awesome, or literal. RealTheAbsurdist said: There is no such thing as a, "complex genre." You didn't address point #7: that Thorfinn's goal of revenge, his childish behavior, is not a trope exclusive to shounen anime. Lmao, no. Just because one or even the majority are simple, does not mean that none are complex. You literally cannot prove something doesn't exist. It's fundamentally impossible. Not that you have given any logical justification for such a claim. Because it's irrelevant and caught under "Your point? Plenty of genres share tropes and commonalities." and a massive straw-man of my position that willingly ignores the majority of what I've said. RealTheAbsurdist said: Nope. I just said I don't think it falls into either category, I didn't not specify why.You said that you can't classify Vinland Saga as a seinen or shounen, because it shares tropes from both, correct? This is no longer about clarification or mutual understanding, it's about winning an argument and therefore pointless. |
YautjaDec 29, 2019 11:06 PM
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| Good thing askeladd killing the king. |
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| I gotta say that i had my doubts at the start of this series... And 2-3 more times while watching it... But, damn.... This Ending, was Indeed the Best one they could gave us.. The Best ending of the Season, maybe of the Year, and of the last years... I hope next years, people analise this ending, and use it for their series... cause its pretty rare to see a Damn Good ending now a days... PS: I hope they give us a better Ending in Season 2.... they can do it. |
| This episode was great, but I'm kind of conflicted that the sole character that I really cared about in any way ended up dying. Thorfinn & Canute don't really strike me as interesting characters yet. |
| Way to end a year and a decade. Simply fantastic! Modern anime wins |
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