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RobertBobert said: @TheFlyingOrange You mean she could find a better love interest than Niina? Or was she better at handling her subplot than the former? I've changed my opinion since then, when I wrote that I meant she could find a better girlfriend than Niina, mostly because I really didn't like Niina and still kinda don't, but if she was able to become a better person (especially because of the relationship) then I'm for it. I do think Niina was more unlikable in her subplot, but the resolution of both of theirs made of for it imo. |
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TheFlyingOrange said: RobertBobert said: @TheFlyingOrange You mean she could find a better love interest than Niina? Or was she better at handling her subplot than the former? I've changed my opinion since then, when I wrote that I meant she could find a better girlfriend than Niina, mostly because I really didn't like Niina and still kinda don't, but if she was able to become a better person (especially because of the relationship) then I'm for it. I do think Niina was more unlikable in her subplot, but the resolution of both of theirs made of for it imo. Well, I don’t know whether they became a couple or not, but regardless of my opinion about this, it’s difficult for us to talk about something, since both girls hadn't any partners before. If so, then it was unusually rushed and actually just told us that Niina suddenly became bi just because Momoko offered herself as a backup airfield in the last moment. Not to mention the possible homophobic hints that queer women are “former straight” who “became” such because of male sexual abuse and seducing by another queer women. That would be very weird for a feminist like Okada. |
RobertBobertJul 5, 2020 1:54 PM
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RobertBobert said: TheFlyingOrange said: I've changed my opinion since then, when I wrote that I meant she could find a better girlfriend than Niina, mostly because I really didn't like Niina and still kinda don't, but if she was able to become a better person (especially because of the relationship) then I'm for it. I do think Niina was more unlikable in her subplot, but the resolution of both of theirs made of for it imo. Well, I don’t know whether they became a couple or not, but regardless of my opinion about this, it’s difficult for us to talk about something, since both girls hadn't any partners before. If so, then it was unusually rushed and actually just told us that Niina suddenly became bi just because Momoko offered herself as a backup airfield in the last moment. Not to mention the possible homophobic hints that queer women are “former straight” who “became” such because of male sexual abuse and seducing by another queer women. That would be very weird for a feminist like Okada. I didn't realize that anyone didn't think they were a couple after the epilouge and Momoko's confession in episode 10 (I think it was then at least), like I can't really think of there being any other inplication after the college scene (Momoko definitely ended up with a girl either way tho). If the interpretation of that is in question tho, I feel like that's not really even discussing considering how subjective that is lol. As for the thing about Niina, I'm not familiar with it if that is a trope, but from the way the show did it it would make more sense imo that she was always bi but other stuff in her life got in the way of ever picking up on those feelings... then again, she doesn't exactly act like a normal person through most of the show so who knows. I do agree tho that the pacing of it could've been better, like a scene between the two towards the end and before the epilouge that conveyed Niina's changed feelings towards Momoko that could bridge into their relationship in the long term could've helped (unless there was one and I just forget). I think another episode might've been nice instead of just the epilouge so that we could've seen some of her off screen character development tbh. |
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TheFlyingOrange said: RobertBobert said: Well, I don’t know whether they became a couple or not, but regardless of my opinion about this, it’s difficult for us to talk about something, since both girls hadn't any partners before. If so, then it was unusually rushed and actually just told us that Niina suddenly became bi just because Momoko offered herself as a backup airfield in the last moment. Not to mention the possible homophobic hints that queer women are “former straight” who “became” such because of male sexual abuse and seducing by another queer women. That would be very weird for a feminist like Okada. I didn't realize that anyone didn't think they were a couple after the epilouge and Momoko's confession in episode 10 (I think it was then at least), like I can't really think of there being any other inplication after the college scene (Momoko definitely ended up with a girl either way tho). If the interpretation of that is in question tho, I feel like that's not really even discussing considering how subjective that is lol. As for the thing about Niina, I'm not familiar with it if that is a trope, but from the way the show did it it would make more sense imo that she was always bi but other stuff in her life got in the way of ever picking up on those feelings... then again, she doesn't exactly act like a normal person through most of the show so who knows. I do agree tho that the pacing of it could've been better, like a scene between the two towards the end and before the epilouge that conveyed Niina's changed feelings towards Momoko that could bridge into their relationship in the long term could've helped (unless there was one and I just forget). I think another episode might've been nice instead of just the epilouge so that we could've seen some of her off screen character development tbh. Well, the manga ended after the anime, so Okada promised that her epilogue would show more, but in the end it showed even less, judging by the raws on the Internet. In any case, even if I doubt it very much, while you consider it more ambiguous (as I understand you), such "friendship route" in romantic shows will always leave more questions than answers. Having a lot of experience with Okada as an author, I think it was the deconstruction of idealized bisexuality in the yuri show or even a more realistic attempt to portray the first queer experience, but without a direct or explicit ending, I can only talk about my understanding of the ambiguous moment, though. |
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RobertBobert said: They were initially serious towards each other. They just became more open after the confession of Momoko. But as I said earlier, this is clearly far from yuri, because otherwise it would simply destroy the original message of her arc. Interesting. What message actually? I just thought they just got what they deserved as their friendship finally became closer as they acknowledged each other (after final events). So, thats their well reward, more alone time together as a couple. Like they never do that in the previous sequences. Lmao. Sorry I kinda forgot the whole series. |
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badabass said: RobertBobert said: They were initially serious towards each other. They just became more open after the confession of Momoko. But as I said earlier, this is clearly far from yuri, because otherwise it would simply destroy the original message of her arc. Interesting. What message actually? I just thought they just got what they deserved as their friendship finally became closer as they acknowledged each other (after final events). So, thats their well reward, more alone time together as a couple. Like they never do that in the previous sequences. Lmao. Sorry I kinda forgot the whole series. No problem. I have not looked into this thread for a long time, so when I saw that someone else considers them to be a couple at the end, I automatically answered this out of old habit. |
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Mimi_123 said: I have a question I know this is late but if there is anyone whiling to answer please do... So with what Izumi said about being sexually attracted to niina but still loving MC girl(sorry I forgot how to spell her name) how does that work coz to me i just thought that was a real shitty thing to say and if were in the girls position I would have dumped his ass for saying that... I'm just really confused and I feel like I'm not getting it. Thank you to whoever answers this. There is a hint here that lust and love are essentially different things. Izumi loved MC, but due to his prejudice was afraid of offending her, being too sexually rude to her. At the same time, Niina evoked his desire both by his outstanding appearance and by sublimating his sexual desire for MC. This caused dissonance. In Japan, it is traditionally believed that love is a purely asexual feeling and that wives-mothers should be spiritually asexual and innocent like a child. This is why modern Japanese media so often teaches about the difference between lust and love, because teenage inexperience and similar prejudices lead men to support the Madonna and Whore complex. |
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| Finally able to finish this series after a while. Wow, I don't know what to say, the whole story is actually very heavy and mostly taboo in real life. What I'm surprised is that Izumi's confession about his love and sexual desire, something that I think even if it exist in real life, will never blurted out from any man and buried so deep away. Overall, I'm glad to finish it up, although few question still disturb me, especially about Sugawara's end with Momoko. Is it just a best friend, or more ? I tried to not think more about it. 8/10 |
TsuzukuHunter2nd said: Finally able to finish this series after a while. Wow, I don't know what to say, the whole story is actually very heavy and mostly taboo in real life. What I'm surprised is that Izumi's confession about his love and sexual desire, something that I think even if it exist in real life, will never blurted out from any man and buried so deep away. Overall, I'm glad to finish it up, although few question still disturb me, especially about Sugawara's end with Momoko. Is it just a best friend, or more ? I tried to not think more about it. 8/10 Officially, they are just best friends who go through the pain of unrequited love together. But if you want to think about more, then your right. As for desire ... Well, just because you're genuinely in love with someone doesn't mean that you stop finding other people sexually attractive. That is why it is important to clearly understand that attraction / sex and love are different things. Mimi_123 said: @RobertBobert So basically he said what he said because he didn't want to be rude hmmmm so is it separate then sexual desire and love? He felt bad that, due to his inexperience, he thought it was a crime and disgusting to desire someone other than his own love interest. |
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| Razor-sharp weaponized angst... dulled by the inclusion of some truly baffling melodramatic subplots. Think Kuzu no Honkai if its deadpan humor were replaced by embarrassed flailing and excitable outbursts. |
| Why? Why must Kazusa? Sad.... I prefer Nina, I like their style of rebelling against school. looks like the baby of that gyaru girl has been born. |
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CesarMagnan said: So in the end Niina didn't had a relationship with Izumi, so instead she decided to have a lesbian relationship with Momoko? That was the worst pairing in this anime. This pairing is worst mainly because it are shipping goggles. They weren't a couple at the end of the show lol. |
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CesarMagnan said: Syureria said: Why? Why must Kazusa? Sad.... I prefer Nina, I like their style of rebelling against school. looks like the baby of that gyaru girl has been born. I feel the same, choosing Kazusa was the most predictable and boring decision. She is the female lead of this show and intrigue has never been the goal of it. What did you expect? |
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CesarMagnan said: RobertBobert said: She is the female lead of this show and intrigue has never been the goal of it. What did you expect? A more exciting ending. The whole message of their arc was that sexual desire for your love interest doesn't make you dirty, especially if you're a girl. I understand that Okada has a memetic reputation as an angry feminist, but what you are suggesting is caricature even for her. |
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CesarMagnan said: RobertBobert said: The whole message of their arc was that sexual desire for your love interest doesn't make you dirty, especially if you're a girl. I understand that Okada has a memetic reputation as an angry feminist, but what you are suggesting is caricature even for her. A caricature? Why? For thinking that falling for the sexual desire for Nina and then leading to a better relationship whith her and Kazusa got sisterzoned; a variant of friendzone but the counterpart only sees you like a brother or sister, something that happens in real life, would be a more interesting ending than what we got. Also in this day and age the cliche of a childhoodfriend realationship that reaches marriage seems more cartoonish than a relationship with Nina. And finally, isn't this supposed to be an anime? He never liked Niina romantically. The idea was that, due to prejudice, he was forced to keep a sexual attraction to the MC and therefore sublimated it into a boner to Niina. I called it caricature because she's infamous for two hyped titles, where the female MC is left alone due to the male lead choosing a flatter one, but a more beautiful and popular girl. She so often refers to the superficial thinking of guys that given her past and open feminism, it has become a memetic stereotype about her. |
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| Haha, Female perpetrated kidnapping is not to be taken seriously huh? I'll have to write that down. The whole show is a mess but I can accept that ending |
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removed-user said: Well, this was degenerate trash right to the end. Pushes the whole "muh female sexuality" crap too hard. I'm considering suffering through the manga just for more Hongou. Really though, no matter how self-aware the cringy literary references were, there's nothing cultured about it. It's poorly disguised propaganda written by the kind of hag you'd expect to hop on a broom and fly away. I'm not some hardliner traditionalist, but some things are innate to human nature. as a girl who 'bloomed' kind of late, this show was extraordinarily relatable to me lol. you think it's feminist propaganda but it honestly reflects a lot of aspects of being an awkward teenage girl really well. just let girls have their moment, yo |
| It was a great anime.I liked the relationships between the characters and the drama of the story. i gave it a 9/10. but at the end, I have a few questions about time-skip ending and i would appreciate If someone can answer these questions: 1- In the end, only Hongou was in the club with two new members. did the rest of them quit the club? (of course, sonezaki has become a college student, but I'm not sure about the other members) 2-Did Momoko get into a lesbian relationship with Niina or they remain friends together? 3-I was a little confused about the order of the characters' ages. I think the order was like this: Sonezaki was the biggest and was in the third grade of high school, Momoko and Sugawarashi were in the same class and the first year of high school and Hongou was the second year. Did I guess right? |
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saeed1m said: It was a great anime.I liked the relationships between the characters and the drama of the story. i gave it a 9/10. but at the end, I have a few questions about time-skip ending and i would appreciate If someone can answer these questions: 1- In the end, only Hongou was in the club with two new members. did the rest of them quit the club? (of course, sonezaki has become a college student, but I'm not sure about the other members) 2-Did Momoko get into a lesbian relationship with Niina or they remain friends together? 3-I was a little confused about the order of the characters' ages. I think the order was like this: Sonezaki was the biggest and was in the third grade of high school, Momoko and Sugawarashi were in the same class and the first year of high school and Hongou was the second year. Did I guess right? 1. Not known. We're just shown that she started writing scripts for club plays. 2. No, maximum you can consider it an open end, minimum of bittersweet deconstructions of the "straight friend ends up falling in love with gay MC" cliché. |
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| So a very eventful ending to put it in a positive light, it was pretty much all over the place and quite abrupt. And of course we had the useless last two minutes where everyone is grown up now for whatever reason... A friend recommended this show to me and I have no idea why. The anime itself was well done but it was just not for me. I couldn't connect with the characters and was bored a lot of times. Sometimes the comedy worked for me though, so I guess I give this a 5/10 |
| 8/10 I think the show is just talking about sex and love relationships , i din't know the anime will go this far , but i was excited and shocked , it's a good show ..... |
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| Woah 9/10 - I really enjoyed this mature series so much and was particularly moved and excited by Hongou & Milo-sensei story. I am super upset by their end, and since Milo's marrying the other bland sensei I don't think I will have the force to go through the manga if they didn't have a happy ending. SO, can someone ADVICE ME some similar series (manga or anime) with forbidden age gap story with a strong girl like Hongou and a man ?  |
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| Hongou deserved a better ending. She’s the whole reason why I even watched this anime. I’m happy with all the other endings, but Hongou’s is the only one I can’t accept. With that said, this anime is still great despite the weird pedophile dude. It was an interesting ride with a great message 8/10 |
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| Very good, I didn't expect this anime to be a romance story of the main characters with side characters, then every episode of the story of characters is quite balanced, it's just that Momoka doesn't get screen time. |
| The hallway was so adorable but wtf Izumi, you're attracted sexually to white girl but you want to protect Kazusa. One of the anime I need to question my existence, 4/10, just didn't like the 2nd half at all, the 1st was ok but most aspect are pretty questionable. I do like the artstyle, the raw emotion is captured to say the least. |
| I'm not done with the episode yet but I fell out of my chair and got onto the floor on my hands and knees when Izumi said that. Is this really an allosexual thing or is this anime just insane? ETA: Even Amagi's looking at Izumi in utter disgusted, I'm laughing my ass off but also wtf is happening right now? I really cannot think of a way Izumi could possibly word this without it sounding absolutely horrible. |
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
Surana said: I'm not done with the episode yet but I fell out of my chair and got onto the floor on my hands and knees when Izumi said that. Is this really an allosexual thing or is this anime just insane? No, the author just wants to make the message that love and sexual attraction are two different things and that men should not be accused of debauchery just because they have a boner on another woman. |
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| Okay, finished the episode. I've always understood love =/= sexual attraction. I'm a panromantic asexual, I get it, but it's also very much entangled because heck, I can't get a date BECAUSE I can't have sex with a person I love. I get you could be sexually attracted to people without loving them or in my case, love someone without being sexually attracted to them. I guess it baffled me so much because he's literally saying it to his girlfriend's face and about her friend. Like, if he was jacking off to some Jpop idol I wouldn't be as flabbergasted. Whereas he ended it with "yo I'm not sexually attracted to you but your friend's hot" lol. So idk he's not sexually attracted to his gf because it's embarrassing to think about but he will be eventually? idk now it's sounding like demisexual territory, but that's clearly not what it is because he experienced sexual attraction. idk, I'll never understand how sexuality works no matter how hard I try. It's extremely frustrating, and it's not like I've never been curious, but sometimes you've only got an outsider perspective and you'll never get the insider. Even if I DID one day have sex, I still wouldn't really get it. Cute little epilogue. I especially love that Sonezaki's in touch with Juujou. I never would've thought that Sonezaki and Amagi would end up being my favorite couple. They are too precious, haha. Some people commented that this anime is super inaccurate and that no teen thinks about sex this much or acts this way or whatever, but it was still an interesting premise and interesting to see. I know being agensexual doesn't mean I'm missing anything in life, but I always felt I kind of skipped over something. The whole reason I knew I was ace was because other kids were getting to that point and I found it gross. So it was interesting to watch this, even if some people think it was too much and that it's not an accurate portrayal of teens and the way they think of sex. |
SuranaMar 22, 2022 12:18 PM
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
Surana said: Okay, finished the episode. I've always understood love =/= sexual attraction. I'm a panromantic asexual, I get it, but it's also very much entangled because heck, I can't get a date BECAUSE I can't have sex with a person I love. I get you could be sexually attracted to people without loving them or in my case, love someone without being sexually attracted to them. I guess it baffled me so much because he's literally saying it to his girlfriend's face and about her friend. Like, if he was jacking off to some Jpop idol I wouldn't be as flabbergasted. Whereas he ended it with "yo I'm not sexually attracted to you but your friend's hot" lol. So idk he's not sexually attracted to his gf because it's embarrassing to think about but he will be eventually? idk now it's sounding like demisexual territory, but that's clearly not what it is because he experienced sexual attraction. idk, I'll never understand how sexuality works no matter how hard I try. It's extremely frustrating, and it's not like I've never been curious, but sometimes you've only got an outsider perspective and you'll never get the insider. Even if I DID one day have sex, I still wouldn't really get it. Cute little epilogue. I especially love that Sonezaki's in touch with Juujou. I never would've thought that Sonezaki and Amagi would end up being my favorite couple. They are too precious, haha. Some people commented that this anime is super inaccurate and that no teen thinks about sex this much or acts this way or whatever, but it was still an interesting premise and interesting to see. I know being agensexual doesn't mean I'm missing anything in life, but I always felt I kind of skipped over something. The whole reason I knew I was ace was because other kids were getting to that point and I found it gross. So it was interesting to watch this, even if some people think it was too much and that it's not an accurate portrayal of teens and the way they think of sex. You misunderstood a little. He did not deny that he was sexually attracted to the MC. Just because of his inexperience, he felt like crap that his crush's incredibly sexy friend was more attracted to him than she was. |
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RobertBobert said: Surana said: Okay, finished the episode. I've always understood love =/= sexual attraction. I'm a panromantic asexual, I get it, but it's also very much entangled because heck, I can't get a date BECAUSE I can't have sex with a person I love. I get you could be sexually attracted to people without loving them or in my case, love someone without being sexually attracted to them. I guess it baffled me so much because he's literally saying it to his girlfriend's face and about her friend. Like, if he was jacking off to some Jpop idol I wouldn't be as flabbergasted. Whereas he ended it with "yo I'm not sexually attracted to you but your friend's hot" lol. So idk he's not sexually attracted to his gf because it's embarrassing to think about but he will be eventually? idk now it's sounding like demisexual territory, but that's clearly not what it is because he experienced sexual attraction. idk, I'll never understand how sexuality works no matter how hard I try. It's extremely frustrating, and it's not like I've never been curious, but sometimes you've only got an outsider perspective and you'll never get the insider. Even if I DID one day have sex, I still wouldn't really get it. Cute little epilogue. I especially love that Sonezaki's in touch with Juujou. I never would've thought that Sonezaki and Amagi would end up being my favorite couple. They are too precious, haha. Some people commented that this anime is super inaccurate and that no teen thinks about sex this much or acts this way or whatever, but it was still an interesting premise and interesting to see. I know being agensexual doesn't mean I'm missing anything in life, but I always felt I kind of skipped over something. The whole reason I knew I was ace was because other kids were getting to that point and I found it gross. So it was interesting to watch this, even if some people think it was too much and that it's not an accurate portrayal of teens and the way they think of sex. You misunderstood a little. He did not deny that he was sexually attracted to the MC. Just because of his inexperience, he felt like crap that his crush's incredibly sexy friend was more attracted to him than she was. Okay, that makes more sense lol |
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
Surana said: RobertBobert said: You misunderstood a little. He did not deny that he was sexually attracted to the MC. Just because of his inexperience, he felt like crap that his crush's incredibly sexy friend was more attracted to him than she was. Okay, that makes more sense lol I think you should watch other Mari Okada shows to understand the general direction of her messages. She may seem overly feminist in certain areas (she seems to have an obsession with blaming male characters for loving more stunning girls), but overall I find her ideas refreshing. |
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RobertBobert said: I think you should watch other Mari Okada shows to understand the general direction of her messages. She may seem overly feminist in certain areas (she seems to have an obsession with blaming male characters for loving more stunning girls), but overall I find her ideas refreshing. Thanks. I'll check them out! |
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
| What a shitfest, Momoko should burn in hell for being one of the most unnoying, useless character ever written. The show was kinda interesting till halfway, then was decent, and with the last episode it went downhill so hard I didn't think it would ever be possible. So many clichès, with all the eavesdropping things. 4/10 |
| What a fun ride, in the end, everyone found happiness... this show was absurd, weird but also unique! 7/10! |
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| The anime should have end in episode 8. After that festival story everything became very pointless. Suguwara make everything worst. But the final episode was still quite good. 7/10 is my score for this anime . |
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| 9/10 I just noticed Mari Okada was involved in this, no wonder the characters displayed their emotions the way they did. |
anikevin said: 9/10 I just noticed Mari Okada was involved in this, no wonder the characters displayed their emotions the way they did. This manga is literally autobiographical lol. |
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