Name the anime that doesn't deserve all hatred it's gets

GlennMagusHarvey said:
Regarding the ecchi, I'm not sure how to compare the two, but Asterisk War definitely has some ecchi scenes, such as one female character coming out of the shower in a bathrobe and sexually propositioning a male character, as well as a wet shirt scene involving two of the characters. I don't remember Chivalry's scenes as clearly but I think Asterisk has similar or somewhat less? Maybe. But in general, as the show progressed, there was less of it. Part of the nice thing about it having two seasons was that it got to spend more time having less focus on the fanservice and the awkward relationship rivalries.

With regards to those awkward relationship rivalries though, I think Asterisk was definitely less awkward about it, albeit due to two of the female characters being less obnoxiously demanding of the male lead's attention.

With regards to the fight scenes, I think Asterisk has more of them (due to being longer), and I feel they definitely did a good job of showing off the some rather complex mechanics and strategies used. Not all fights were given equal screentime, of course, but the ones that were covered in detail were covered very effectively IMO. Also, the fact that these are duo team fights mean that a lot more interesting tactics are possible, and I found these tactics very entertaining to watch.



I wonder to what extent this sort of opinion of "most"/"the rest"/"99%"/etc. of a genre having little "heart and soul put into them" may have more to do with simply lack of personal enjoyment or lack of attraction to the genre. Like, how do you measure "heart and soul"? (Obviously there's no direct measurement, but I'm asking you to clarify what you mean by this, and why you think DAL and HSDxD are so much better.)

I thought I already covered this in gory detail in your thread about Digibro?

Anyway, I disagree with them, of course.

His overall points are that the characterization makes little sense, that clichés were used, and that he found little that was interesting/unique/innovative about the series that he could latch onto. He also engages in a lot of nitpicking, some of which turned out to defy his expectations since I've actually seen the second season and know what the characters were foreshadowing.

I actually agree with him that the character introductions were generally annoying, but then he likes Chivalry more, and that had even more absurd and obnoxious characterization, so I'm like confused_nick_young.png. (Compare Julis's "you saw me in an embarrassing moment so I'm going to beat you up!" with Stella's "you saw me in an embarrassing moment so I'm going to beat you up and then make you my slave!".)

Aside from that, he's mainly just nitpicking over his hate for clichés (e.g. he feels Ayato is too perfect, basically), his personal desire for the setting to be something more to his liking (basically he would have preferred it to be a cyberpunk setting), and a variety of little "but this doesn't make sense!" and "but that doesn't make sense!" complaints which neglect the fact that rarely is every little detail deviating from real life in a non-realistic setting explained and for that matter some of them are actually some of them are setups that are explained much later.

Meanwhile, he clearly does not address a number of positive qualities of the show, such as its overall aesthetic which was very cohesively presented (with more consistency than Chivalry), and which he criticized because it didn't match his vision for a more interesting show. And he only very briefly makes like one single mention of Rasmus Faber's music. And of course he even bother watching the second series which covers more of the story including addressing various details raised in the first season. (He clearly wasn't the intended audience; he admits as much; I don't really blame him for not continuing, but I do fault him for not limiting the scope of his criticisms. Besides he still is also a prominent youtuber so making a giant 12-part series shitting on the show does raise eyebrows, but I'm not really sure how to quantify this aspect, or whether it should factor into my assessment of his video series at all.)

A recent conversation about this with an offsite friend suggests to me that what Digibro is specifically prizing something that he feels is different and thereby both interesting to him and has value in advancing the medium as a whole (whatever that might mean). Whereas I'm looking for a story that's well put together and enjoyable on its own. So essentially, Digibro prioritizes the metacontext of the medium, while I prefer to focus on a story in isolation from the rest of the medium. I feel an approach like his puts too much emphasis on novelty value and doing things differently than before.

(Also I think he liked Chivalry more in part because the main character had darker shades to his backstory (and also had more of his backstory presented earlier), and because the ecchi scenes arguably "went further" in displaying the two lead characters' romance via sexual tension whereas Asterisk War never did as much in that regard, and even in its second season it shows Julis and Ayato growing more trusting of each other in a personal way but doesn't make much of a display of sexuality, rather choosing to focus on their cooperation as a team.)

Sawada-SA said:
i guess sword art online , made in abyss , and berserk 2016

Imaishi said:
Not that I disagree, I did find the change of Yukiteru absolutely ridiculous as well, but that's just extremely ironic coming from someone with Kaneki avatar, lmao. That guy had the exact same thing happen as Yuki. Author decided 'time to get him badass finally' so it happens.

honey--mint said:
Aldnoah zero i guess. I still don't know (and don't want to know) the exact reason it's so widely hated.

W123 said:
Cool you got me hooked, I'll give Asterisk a try since its on netflix and hopefully let you know how I found it lol

Zehennagel said:
one thing for sure is that your musical tastes are not shitty

WaifuMaster17 said:
Name the one popular anime you love to watch,but it's have tons of negative reviews,hate and your favorite characters are mocked because of stupid and trivial reasons.

Pyro said:

Berserk 2016 is an absolute travesty. I have no idea how you can defend it, but I'm curious.

GlennMagusHarvey said:
Just to be clear, even though I say it's less bad I still found various parts of the early episodes to be somewhat of a slog to go through, particularly any time it tried to get into those frequently-awkward romance moments with stuff like characters overreacting, being rather inappropriately forward, or otherwise doing seemingly stupid things. And the early episodes did in fact make Ayato come off as an overpowered protag. I guess my point is, if you get annoyed by these tropes, you probably won't enjoy the slog, but if you do like or are fine with these tropes and/or you're willing to take them as-is and keep going, you'll find more interesting aspects of the show, particularly after the show is done introducing characters and thus has less need to make hay of the romantic rivalries.

I watched it dubbed (in American English of course) and enjoyed it more that way, but YMMV on whether you like dubs, of course.


BTW @HopefulNihilist I should probably add that I also agree with Digibro's criticism that Ayato (the male lead of Asterisk War) comes off as an overpowered protagonist, but if that's a criticism, then Chivalry is even more guilty of it because Ikki (the male lead of Chivalry) is arguably even more overpowered.


Haha, thanks, though credit goes not to me but to Rasmus Faber's musical genius.

Preachee said:
Long story short, good approach, peculiar and memorable plot with a befitting mean-spirited conclusion. But, poor production (1), poor romance (2), narrations often got abysmal (3), characterizations r unsatisfying (the main dude was ok idk y ppl hate him as a fictional character)(4), cliche at times, artistic-wise is terrific (choreography, color pallet...)(5).

Kruszer said:
Accel World
Aldnoah Zero
Berserk (2016/2017)
Asterisk War
Dances With the Dragons
Elfen Lied
Future Diary
In Another World With my Smartphone
The Irregular at Magic High School
Soul Link
Strike the Blood
Sword Art Online

Aslat24 said:
I beg to differ, Irregular at Magic Highschool is probably the worst thing I’ve ever watched. Boring OP protagonist with a horrible story and setting.

Kruszer said:


Whatever, then feel free not to like it.

hack5 said:


I love The Irregular at Magic High School for Tatsuya I love his Op-ness oh by the way I checked out your profile and discovered I share the same birthday as you lol awesome

Kruszer said:

Cool. Hello my fellow Sagittarius.

Noboru said:
1) Anime is nowhere cheap
2) the Anime of School Days isn't meant to be a happy romance story, it's more of a modernized, classic drama
3) please give some examples
4) I don't get why Makoto gets all the hate, either, when it should be Sekai that should be disliked the most
5) the OST is very good, though, and I find the Visuals more than good enough. What do you mean with color pallet? It's not meant to show an extremely brightly-colored, lovey-dovey show. In contrast: the pale appearance even fits the whole concept much better

Preachee said:
I was trying to make things kinda short, but guess I'll delve a little bit more into it.

Noboru said:
Thank you for that

1) Okay, then this may be purely my subjective point of view, but I don't have anything to criticize about the art quality or the BGM choice at all. If anything, then I'm not used to the original song, since I've been hearing the Exit Trance variant way more often by now

2) From what I can recall,
But yeah, it's an over-exaggeration, just like many other "hatsuoki" (first love) titles

3) Ah, so you were referring to that scene at the end, I reckon. To be fair, even after having watched it at least 3 times, it's been longer, so I plan to rewatch it sometimes again as well

4) "hate" is a strong word, after all, however, in this case, it's very close to fitting. She even wanted to

5) The cherry blossoms at the beginning looked lively enough to me, but now that I took another look after years, there are certainly lots of titles with much brighter and more colorful hues