| While on having fun looking at the plot craters of Dr. Stone using actual science, I wonder why nobody has yet dealt with the elephant in the room: energy and thermodynamics. Let's ignore the fact that the chemistry of the human body depends on mobile molecules, e.g. energy transporters like ATP. Let's assume the stone magically creates some alternative energy transport. Let's further assume a stoned body doesn't require any energy to maintain. One thing, however, does definitely require energy: thinking. And while the human brain only makes up for 2% of the body mass, it consumes 20% of the energy - in idle state. If you think hard, you use more. Let's assume a teenager with resting metabolic rate would need 1300 kcal/day to stay alive, which is very conservative. 1300 kcal over 24 hours is 54.16 kcal per hour, which is 15.04 gram calories per second. This equals 62.93 joules/second, which is ~63 watts. 20% of that is used by the brain, which is active in the stoners, and that's 12.6 watts. One teenager uses 12.6 watts over a period of 3700 years = 3700*365.25 days = 1,351,425 days, which means he requires 1351425*12.6 W = 17,027,955 Watt days = 172323 kilowatt hours over that time period. That's the energy equivalent of about 1.5 tons of TNT, where one kilogram of TNT is good enough to obliterate a small vehicle. If all 7 billion humans are stoned and thinking, we get into the range of a small nuclear bomb's equivalent energy. It's ... magic! |
inimJul 7, 2019 5:11 PM
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DeathProfessor said: inim said: Dammit, now this discussion spreads to here as well. Damn the torpedoes, but: Pyrolysis of plastic into kerosin and diesel is a chemically well understood process, but nowhere near established. You basically need a reactor with several 100C long-term constant temperature, oxygen free athmosphere of a defined pressure, a catalyst (which may be as simple as active coal, but it depends). You also need to take a lot of care to not produce toxines such as dioxin in the process, which happens easily when temperature is wrong or too much halogen plastics (e.g. PVC) are in your mix. You also need a working system to get rid of the toxic waste and fumes. And the biggest problem: you want a positive energy balance, the key to economic feasbility. While university and industrial research level prototype reactors exist, nobody so far managed find a robust combination for all the lose ends and parameters which would allow large scale, economically feasible processing. The energy balance is the worst problem, it's indeed a process engineer's nightmare - and far from being solved at scale. That said: I still doubt that the Dr. Stone MC using only ressources and funds accessible to a highschool, or even a mediocre university, can produce liquid fuel in a substantial amount from PET bottles. The chemistry isn't his problem, the process engineering and the reactor parameters are. Yeah, I stand corrected 'established' was a wrong word to use there. Well at-least the writer didn't choose water made as an alternative for fuel as one of the achievements of the MC. The following line of your's summarizes it. you want a positive energy balance, the key to economic feasibility. I am just too tilted by Dr. stone, not a like-able character, just plain pretentious. I still don't know how it is getting 8.3 as rating. I guess its too early and may be the likes are from manga readers, but for me that first episode wasn't anything above 5. Stop caring so much about the ratings/score. Its pointless to get so worked up about it. If people wanna give it a high score then they'll give it that score. That's it. God this entire thread is just pedantic. |
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Slimcoder said: Na, it is scientific. The point simply is that a global stoning creates plot holes equivalent of 7 billion truck-kuns isekai-ing the world's population simultaneously.God this entire thread is just pedantic. I really hope the experimental archaeology and anthropology they want to focus on in much of the show is worth this hilarious, laws of nature defying bullshit premise. |
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inim said: Slimcoder said: Na, it is scientific. The point simply is that a global stoning creates plot holes equivalent of 7 billion truck-kuns isekai-ing the world's population simultaneously.God this entire thread is just pedantic. I really hope the experimental archaeology and anthropology they want to focus on in much of the show is worth this hilarious, laws of nature defying bullshit premise. So pedantic basically. I mean I get it, no skin off my bones especially if ya wanna make inane isekai comparisons. |
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inim said: Sebastian333 said: Well, "just an anime" is a pretty universal and by this pretty usless argument. You could just use the same approach to defend the plot of Hametsu no Mars or any other bad anime.with that thinking of yours, I will also have problem witth the show, why the f*** did Taiju cloths suddenly clean after soaked with grapes juices for instance. But meh, this kind of mentality will degrade the enjoyment for the show. Just let loose dude, you are thinking too much, nough say' this is JUST AN ANIME. I'm sorry to repeat myself this argument was used already in another thread, but it is useful to understand the nature of what makes me uncomfortable with this particular anime's approach to science and logic. Everybody's favorite loli-ecchi No Game No Life without any doubt takes place in a fantastic isekai world with a lot of very "unrealistic" plot and magic everywhere. Yet, when they talk about the math of game theory, and they do that often, they get their shit right. You do not see the actual formulas, but be assured that NGNL does not use science babble, but actual math. This is the sort of dilligence and respect for the science (math in NGNL's case, chemistry in Dr. Stone) I am missing in Dr. Stone. NGNL in that sense is in-world consistent, whereas Dr. Stone just uses cringy science babble to sound cool and while pretending to play in the real world, with real phsycis and natural laws, gives a fuck for them. And that makes all the difference for somebody with a science background. If it is magic, don't call it science. I can just not enjoy a show which constantly insults my intelligence with handwaving bullshit. Your mileage may differ. I know what you mean, I had a nerd friend that is overly "dramatical-lore officer" and cant enjoy a simple lore due to this...."problematic" thinking.... Nevertheless, if you don't mind, try to be lenient and more acceptance for the sake of enjoyment, otherwise, I shall respect your view should you find it unable to do the simple thing by simple thinking because,,, well its your character right. Its all come down to whether one allow or not the story how its being presented. |
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| yes the premise is shocking and sad to see all of the stone people. but we never have a chance to form any empathy for them...the change is too abrupt and so the entire series is build on sand, no trust forms in the story or the writer. Not going to get better I fear..the super scientist expert and the brave protag are old old old. Not even any really cute girls to make it bearable. |
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Doodoo_Man said: Gloomy-eyes said: Dunno why but I really did expect more from your argument, something like:”The injection maintained his physical strength”, but hospital? Lol, the issue here is that body function remained after immobility, including lying obv(not to mention could the injection gain the underwater breath ability?). About mental condition, who cares? That is superhero movie, this is a shounen anime. Where’s the difference? My god.. you're full of yourself. "Body function remained after mobility" wtf? They've been not moving their muscle not even a bit for like 3700 year's man. Then they hatched from a stone Freshly, without any effect at all. and then every single muscle they have works properly. This, from an anime who happens to be focusing on "Science". Look, real case people would've been paralyzed, and forgotten how to move their muscle. Even if their nutrition is reserved. But this is shonen, and i know that. I didn't hoping real event happening to them. But at least.. put a little effort on them so that the event actually have side effect for them not just the nature. What truly happen is, they got stoned.. but meh.. nothing really happen to them, mental health check, all body function check. They didn't have side effect because of something that will be explain soon, the writing is great with this imo and you'll see. |
AzorAhai said: 1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface: - No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground! 2) Sanity. - MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves! 3) Annoying parts. - MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man... - Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected") You have a point but you're missing the fact that both characters are clearly crazy, their crazy minds wouldn't be effected the same or to that great of an extant. |
| Yes, it deals with some stuff in a very silly way, I felt that too. 3700 years being immobile yet conscious would make anyone go completely insane. |
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| I think all the points raised are interesting, but I think you missed the point altogether by not considering that when an author creates a story he does not seek to recreate an exact copy of our world but rather a world of his own |
| I mean it isn't perfect but a lot of this just seems like nit picking. Didn't exactly expect the anime to be realistic, it's no worse than usual man. |
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Fotamon said: AzorAhai said: @Hafexo hahaha you basically say don't use your brain when watching such show and then say i should use brain. Why don't you a) take a chill pill, b) don't throw tantrums, c) and use a brain. t. brainlet Yeah, we need our Comedy X Shounen Chinese cartoons to be 100% realistic when the plot's literally a laser thing turns everyone to stone but acid unstone's all organs to a healthy state without any water. I'm once again reminded why I use this shit site for only a tracker, nobody should be exposed to your autism for extended periods of time. No one asks for 100% realism in fiction. If you've used your eyes and brains, you should be aware of that by now. Just because a story is a fiction it still has to follow rules that makes it "real"; otherwise it would be a trash no one can take seriously. Plus, it's always fun to theorize and discuss things instead of just swallowing what you get showed in your mouth. As i can see you already rated the show 10/10 so it didn't came as a surprise to see you throwing tantrums; you probably haven't read a single civilized discussion on this thread lol; Mal gives opportunities to people like you to mature a bit so try to learn a bit from how others responded to the thread. I'm once again reminded about narrow-minded, easily triggered fanboys going apeshit at the smallest signs of criticism, here on MAL. |
| im gonna watch this series to check whats this noise is about but from the first post alone you have to check if this story is HARD science fiction (which you are trying to make sense of) or just an average science fiction stuff anyway |
| The show is literally just one fucking episode in, 1 |
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| I’m not sure I’ll be able to accept this guys massive crush either. A crush you think about for over 3000 years? These two lovers better have an emotional bonding backstory |
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| episode 2 solidifies this as just some average science fiction show and not a hard science fiction one so those complains on the first post are pointless we got unrealistic super genius and super strength and i doubt there will be a realistic explanation of their abilities on this show |
| I just consider it a show for 10 years old children. the manga also looks like it was written by a 10 year old. |
inim said: Also the "cool landscapes" (the animation is good quality, no doubt about that part) to me look like isekai. I think they look way better than regular isekai ones, although I'm not in a good position to judge, because I haven't seen much isekai shows. However if I were to compare Dr. Stone's landscapes to those isekais I have already seen then Dr. Stone looks better for me (yeah, I know it is not an isekai). |
| Dude, the way you are only answering the people who gave bad answers just makes you look like a troll. Plus you are way to rude for someone who just wants to "discuss". I don't know if it's just me but you definitely don't like this show. It's shounen. Some things don't make sense like this guy said: DoruCatana said: Hunter x Hunter- Killua, 12yo, an assasin, he kills someone, and Gon, his friend, wants to save him and be a good friend for him. The promised Neverland- 12yo kids or younger with great minds who outsmart adults and demons. Attack on Titan, 12-15 years old kids that are better to fight Titans than trained soldiers. But ofcourse, they all have their redeeming qualities and this one also has a lot. |
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| It makes zero sense that every animal is fine and running around yet he had some birds that turned to stone. Even in the second episode it has some birds alive and flying around. But perhaps this will be further explained? |
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Swizze said: It makes zero sense that every animal is fine and running around yet he had some birds that turned to stone. Even in the second episode it has some birds alive and flying around. But perhaps this will be further explained? It won't be explained. Clearly the bird was needed only for the plot, so Senkuu could test the liquid that unfreezes people. Very poor writing in that sense; the stone thing either applies to all living things or just to humans, you can't turn some birds into stone but let the others alive just because you felt like it (I mean, you can, but it's bad writing, a sort of deux ex machina). All worlds should be consistent, even in shounens, even worlds in which people turn to stone magically. Also, everyone turns to stone with their clothes on and when they come out of the stone they're naked; the clothes somehow desintegrate. And Yuzuriha somehow still retains that hair accessory but not her clothes. Zero logic. So much science involved in this story, but common sense is not used much for the premise. |
| Here is what I see that's annoying: 1. when they got petrified, it also included their clothes, so if Senku and Taiju were to be unpetrified it should also include their clothes. 2. Only Sparrow got petrified but not other birds, fishes and mammals. 3. Sanity as mentioned by AzorAhai , yes I kinda agree with him, if you're conscious while being in a petrified state, you loose you mind in matter of months and you probably wished that you're dead. |
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JiangHaoyi1979 said: 1. when they got petrified, it also included their clothes, so if Senku and Taiju were to be unpetrified it should also include their clothes. No, no clothes where petrified what are you talking about ? The stoning light was obviously aiming to specific species not to fabrics use your brain. JiangHaoyi1979 said: 2. Only Sparrow got petrified but not other birds, fishes and mammals. This is hella obvious that the guy(s) who petrified humanity was testing it on sparrows, it was basically hinted in the first episode with taiju's flashback. JiangHaoyi1979 said: 13. Sanity as mentioned by AzorAhai , yes I kinda agree with him, if you're conscious while being in a petrified state, you loose you mind in matter of months and you probably wished that you're dead. Every single atoms of there body was petrified but this is not a regular stone I don't wanna spoil you lol. Here are they, those ''I should watch dlthis without paying attention to subtle details and thinking all the mystery should be answered in the FIRST EPISODE and if they are not, come to forums and begin to complain'' that's sad. |
| @Bloe Dude, the way you are only answering the people who gave bad answers just makes you look like a troll. Plus you are way to rude for someone who just wants to "discuss". I'm mostly answering to "bad" answers since simply spamming "yeah, i agree with your point of view" or "thanks for agreeing to my pov" to everyone with similar opinion is a waste of time! That clearly went over your head right? But gotta make some assumptions that clearly don't make you look like someone who got triggered...Plus i'm rude? I was moderately rude to just one troll who's later reply was even removed by moderators. So you basically "cry" about me being a troll/rude/not liking the show/"it's a shounen". If you have read more than 1 of my replies, you'd know my point of view about "it's a shounen" part or "not liking the show" part, but you better whine about my personality or me being a troll rather than to discuss the topic in more than 2 unoriginal and blunt sentences! And "I" am a troll after this... |
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Phantom24 said: 100% agree, the only likeable character as of now is Senku, Taiju is obnoxious but not in a likeable way as with Asta from BC. TBH way overhyped and not as good as anime like Vinland or Fire Force. Then you should be happy because Senkuu is the MC and he won't be leaving the story for some time unlike other characters. JiangHaoyi1979 said: 2. Only Sparrow got petrified but not other birds, fishes and mammals. Sparrows were probably test subjects of whoever one who petrified whole humanity. |
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Hafexo said: Dont you notice that this is made into slight comedy? And what kind of personality have MC? Jeez just use your fucking brain sometimes Telling someone to use their brain when they are literally using it while watching the show and not consuming and accepting everything that happens without a question like you. Gosh the irony here. |
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