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ClickBaitBuster said: They came from nowhere if you live in the anime community's equivalent of "under a rock".I mean..two anime movies coming from nowhere gladisr said: The next Gintama will probably be just about the comedy by adapting some chapters the previous season skipped so I'd expect an overall lower score because of disappointment of the fans of the serious Gintama.FYI, next fall, Gintama last season gonna air, and it's obvious that it will get a high score, and maybe even get into top 3 top 5. There will be 4 Gintama in MAL top 10, just wait and see. Just Stuff/material for your next /rant. |
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| People always say fuck MAL's top anime list, but honestly find me a better top anime list that'd work for general audiences. The top 20 is filled with solid anime, better than people putting Naruto or DBZ at the top or those guys who pick super niche anime and say it should be number 1. |
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| I do believe that no matter how you look at it. Nothing will really change... Wait... Unless you create millions of alts to up the score of you fav series... *Currently thinking of doing that to up LL* |
| It has always been a joke, people on this site have no fucking taste. |
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MechKingKillbot said: It's going to be even more fun once this Fall's Gintama season airs. Oh god it's still airing? Please stahp. |
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_Ako_ said: I do believe that no matter how you look at it. Nothing will really change... Wait... Unless you create millions of alts to up the score of you fav series... *Currently thinking of doing that to up LL* take my advice. Don't do it. also OP in a nut shell  also Koe no Katachi WAS a good movie. however just like Akira the manga is 10 times better and 10x more content. Fuchsia said: It has always been a joke, people on this site have no fucking taste. they have taste its just everyone has different taste. |
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hazerddex said: _Ako_ said: I do believe that no matter how you look at it. Nothing will really change... Wait... Unless you create millions of alts to up the score of you fav series... *Currently thinking of doing that to up LL* take my advice. Don't do it. also OP in a nut shell also Koe no Katachi WAS a good movie. however just like Akira the manga is 10 times better and 10x more content. Fuchsia said: It has always been a joke, people on this site have no fucking taste. they have taste its just everyone has different taste. Well, I certainly don't want to be perma banned so of course I won't do it. I'm just actually laughing at those who does it. |
| Who tf cares about top 20 anyways lol. |
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| People get too triggered over MAL's toplist. My personal toplist might look very different, but it's pretty rare for something truly terrible to enter the top 50, so I'm content with it. It is amusing in a sense though, since a couple years back you would have been met with incredulity if you proposed anything would ever outrank FMAB on MAL. |
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| For some reason MAL top 20 stops at number 10 on my profile guess i just have god tier taste that it shortened itself from sheer FORCE OF WILL |
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Blarey said: It was a good show indeed, my friend. I just thought that the downvote accounts would sink it. JFuji said: I'm surprised Owari 2 has lasted this long. That's because it was the best season of Monogatari to come out. No Kizu movies even made top 10, yet Owari 2 made top 10 right after it aired. I think it's going to stay in the top 10 at least for a while. |
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| the only anime in that top 20 that i am sure ddserve being in that top 20 are koe no katshi,clannad as and hunter x hunter didn't was your lie in april neither that ghibli movie watched only 3 ep of steins gate and 4 ep of code gueass but it is too late i already have to many cancer "gintama and haikyuuuu" |
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| of course it's a joke, i mean it's mal after all |
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| It started when Kuroko no Basuke was written in the list. |
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| I only watched a couple of top 20s... If you dont like it, ignore it. My watchlist is not based on top 20s, i enjoyed what i watched, and tbh, i dont really watch nor enjoy top 20s, so i dont give neither upvotes nor downvotes. Watch it by your choice, not by top 20 |
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| In my opinion the ratings on MAL needs to give slightly more weight to how popular a show is as well. The more popular a show gets, there's a greater variety of people watching it so the opinions on it should be more diverse. If a show is still highly rated despite gaining more and more viewers then it really must mean that said show is actually better than others. Instead the Top shows are filled with Gintama/Haikyuu sequels. The fanbase of these shows are big but not as large as many other shows meaning that most people who watch the sequels already love them to death - aka they will obviously give it 9's and 10's if the quality doesn't drop significantly. They have small bases but the highest ratings so they are flooding MAL's top rated shows list. It's more impressive or well-deserved to know that shows like FMA and Steins;Gate are so popular yet still clock 9's on MAL. That's a sign that they are one of the best shows of all time. Some people might counter by saying that shows that are 'objectively' better but have a smaller fanbase won't be represented. Yes that's kinda true but I'd argue that if a show were truly better it should've also been able to rake in a large audience. In my opinion a true masterpiece is something that is beloved by all; critically-acclaimed as well as popular. I'm calling for a slight adjustment though. If there's too much emphasis on popularity then you're gonna get a problem a lot of underrated shows. Right now there are too many overrated shows. How about making it in a way that shows that are currently airing or have total members of below 100k have the toughest milestone to overcome to move up the list; basically preventing things like Gintama's OVA ranking being equivalent to Bakuman S2. The more members earned, the easier the milestone would become - so it'll become like a reward for managing to be rated highly despite popularity growth. Also you would want to only consider the ratings of users who are currently watching, completed or dropped a show; not the PTW numbers. Nothing is probably gonna change but this is my opinion on the matter anyway. |
HaXXspetten said: Unless MAL decides to one day pull an IMDB and collapse all entries from the same franchise into a single entry, I don't think there's much that can be done about this I really wish they would do this. If there is a show with 5 seasons, of course only the people who really loved it are going to watch the 5th season and rate it. If there is a 100 episode show, of course only the people who really like it are going to finish it and rate it. It's kinda silly to ignore that issue. |
IndianAnimeReker said: In my opinion the ratings on MAL needs to give slightly more weight to how popular a show is as well. The more popular a show gets, there's a greater variety of people watching it so the opinions on it should be more diverse. If a show is still highly rated despite gaining more and more viewers then it really must mean that said show is actually better than others. Instead the Top shows are filled with Gintama/Haikyuu sequels. The fanbase of these shows are big but not as large as many other shows meaning that most people who watch the sequels already love them to death - aka they will obviously give it 9's and 10's if the quality doesn't drop significantly. They have small bases but the highest ratings so they are flooding MAL's top rated shows list. It's more impressive or well-deserved to know that shows like FMA and Steins;Gate are so popular yet still clock 9's on MAL. That's a sign that they are one of the best shows of all time. Some people might counter by saying that shows that are 'objectively' better but have a smaller fanbase won't be represented. Yes that's kinda true but I'd argue that if a show were truly better it should've also been able to rake in a large audience. In my opinion a true masterpiece is something that is beloved by all; critically-acclaimed as well as popular. I'm calling for a slight adjustment though. If there's too much emphasis on popularity then you're gonna get a problem a lot of underrated shows. Right now there are too many overrated shows. How about making it in a way that shows that are currently airing or have total members of below 100k have the toughest milestone to overcome to move up the list; basically preventing things like Gintama's OVA ranking being equivalent to Bakuman S2. The more members earned, the easier the milestone would become - so it'll become like a reward for managing to be rated highly despite popularity growth. Also you would want to only consider the ratings of users who are currently watching, completed or dropped a show; not the PTW numbers. Nothing is probably gonna change but this is my opinion on the matter anyway. I agree with the vast majority of this post and I think you've worded it very eloquently. But I don't know if I agree with the FMA:B part, that series is so long, I can't imagine someone sitting though 60 episodes of something they don't like and then rating it poorly. I think that the length of the show should also somehow be factored in. |
TwinBee20 said: I agree with the vast majority of this post and I think you've worded it very eloquently. But I don't know if I agree with the FMA:B part, that series is so long, I can't imagine someone sitting though 60 episodes of something they don't like and then rating it poorly. I think that the length of the show should also somehow be factored in. You might be right but I can just as easily see someone saying something like 'the fact that the show managed to sustain viewer interest and quality over so many episodes makes it better'. So it's debatable but I see where you're coming from. Either way the rating system on MAL has to change if it even has the slightest aspirations to be good representation of a 'best/top-rated anime shows' list. I refuse to do what many others on this forum are doing: Saying stuff like 'Who cares about the ratings anyway? To each their own.' Well that's just a cop-out because you've given up on the idea that the list can be fairer and more representative of what really is the best anime out there. Of course it's an ideal that a perfect list will never arrive but ideals are used as goals or benchmarks to work towards. The rating system on MAL as much potential to be improved. Otherwise we're going to be stuck with people forever parroting relativism and 'tastes' and never attempt to at least try to have some objective ranking of best to worst. If you look at the formula that MAL uses to calculate the scores, it only factors in the mean score of the anime and the mean score of the database (the rest of the variables are constants). There's no weighting given to the popularity of the show or what kind of show it is. No matter how amazing OVA might be, it's still never going to be as good as a series. If there's no weighting or consideration for the type of show being scored then it's hardly surprising to see OVA's of Gintama and others ranking as highly as entire series's which is imo ludicrous. I'm not good math/stats but I'm sure there should be some way to improve the rating formula. |
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IndianAnimeReker said: TwinBee20 said: I agree with the vast majority of this post and I think you've worded it very eloquently. But I don't know if I agree with the FMA:B part, that series is so long, I can't imagine someone sitting though 60 episodes of something they don't like and then rating it poorly. I think that the length of the show should also somehow be factored in. You might be right but I can just as easily see someone saying something like 'the fact that the show managed to sustain viewer interest and quality over so many episodes makes it better'. So it's debatable but I see where you're coming from. Either way the rating system on MAL has to change if it even has the slightest aspirations to be good representation of a 'best/top-rated anime shows' list. I refuse to do what many others on this forum are doing: Saying stuff like 'Who cares about the ratings anyway? To each their own.' Well that's just a cop-out because you've given up on the idea that the list can be fairer and more representative of what really is the best anime out there. Of course it's an ideal that a perfect list will never arrive but ideals are used as goals or benchmarks to work towards. The rating system on MAL as much potential to be improved. Otherwise we're going to be stuck with people forever parroting relativism and 'tastes' and never attempt to at least try to have some objective ranking of best to worst. And I'd respond to that someone: "Wold of Warcraft is generally considered to be quite a good game, and many players have spent thousands of hours playing it, but does that make it the greatest game of all time?" I can see where you are coming from as well, I don't think it's a bogus opinion by any stretch, but I really think these things desperately need to be considered by the MAL team. I agree with you on the second half. It's seems odd that so many people don't care about the rating system at all, when that is one of the primary uses of MAL, at least how I see it, MAL is about creating a list and rating things. So many users not caring at all about such a crucial feature is madness to me. It's not about a difference of opinion, it's about improving our system and it seems many can't get past that. |
| Its been a joke for over a year now. I stopped looking at it |
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| So I just wasted a bunch of time to come up with this revised MAL list, and at the moment it looks like I just fixed the ratings LOL. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nwjDysvYQHQ0qsrjEEcrefQnmElkJIaifwad1m13QjE/edit?usp=sharing Basically all I did was multiply the show's rating with the popularity of the show to cumulative score. Then I ranked the cumaltive scores from highest to lowest just to see what would happen. The end result was getting a Top 30 MAL list such as follows: 1. FMA 2. Steins;Gate 3. Code Geass S1 4. Code Geass S2 5. Spirited Away 6. Cowboy Bepop 7. HxH 8. Your Lie in April 9. Clannad: AS 10. Kimi no Na Wa 11. Princess Mononoke 12. Gintama S1 13. Silent Voice 14. My Hero Academia S2 15. Wolf Children 16. Haikyuu S2 17. Hajime no Ippo 18. Gintama S2 19. Haikyuu S3 20. Gintama S4 21. Samurai X: Trust and Betrayal 22. Mushishi Zoku S1 23. Gintama S3 24. LOTGH 25. Mushishi S2 26. Gintama Movie 2 27. Kizumonogatri 3 28. Owarimonogatari S2 29. Rakugo S2 30. Natsume S6 This is completely 'rough' calculations and not refined at all, but as you can see even this simple addition step of multiplying ratings to popularity gives us a pretty fair representation of the best anime of all time (from movies to series to OVA's). I was surprised shows like Owarimonogatari, Kizumonogatari and Mushishi still made the list so that's a good sign. However I haven't added in all the Top 200 anime etc., so heavyweights like SAO, SNK, Death Note, Re:Zero, Erased etc., which have high ratings as well popularity might usurp many on this list I've created. Either way doing something like this does seem to give a balanced list. P.S on the excel file I literally just went 1:1 from the top 30 anime on the MAL list right now into the excel rows. So I didn't just place any random shows in I've basically re-ordered MAL's top 30 using cumulative scores. |
| Well I don't really care about MAL's top 20 or top 50. My favourites aren't even in that range and I haven't bothered watching much stuff from that ranking range (1-50) |
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IndianAnimeReker said: Steins;Gate went even higher meaning that your list is not a fair representation of the best anime of all time. So I just wasted a bunch of time to come up with this revised MAL list, and at the moment it looks like I just fixed the ratings LOL. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nwjDysvYQHQ0qsrjEEcrefQnmElkJIaifwad1m13QjE/edit?usp=sharing Basically all I did was multiply the show's rating with the popularity of the show to cumulative score. Then I ranked the cumaltive scores from highest to lowest just to see what would happen. The end result was getting a Top 30 MAL list such as follows: 1. FMA 2. Steins;Gate 3. Code Geass S1 4. Code Geass S2 5. Spirited Away 6. Cowboy Bepop 7. HxH 8. Your Lie in April 9. Clannad: AS 10. Kimi no Na Wa 11. Princess Mononoke 12. Gintama S1 13. Silent Voice 14. My Hero Academia S2 15. Wolf Children 16. Haikyuu S2 17. Hajime no Ippo 18. Gintama S2 19. Haikyuu S3 20. Gintama S4 21. Samurai X: Trust and Betrayal 22. Mushishi Zoku S1 23. Gintama S3 24. LOTGH 25. Mushishi S2 26. Gintama Movie 2 27. Kizumonogatri 3 28. Owarimonogatari S2 29. Rakugo S2 30. Natsume S6 This is completely 'rough' calculations and not refined at all, but as you can see even this simple addition step of multiplying ratings to popularity gives us a pretty fair representation of the best anime of all time (from movies to series to OVA's). Not even Gintama in the top 10? What a scam. |
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I think it's a nice attempt but you can't take the full member count. Those also count the plan to watch and people who didn't rate it. If you're going to add popularity in the rankings you should take the amount of users that actually rated it (or the total amount of members minus the amount of plan to watch) FMA:B would go from 978,248 total members to 600,261 which is still a really big number compared to less popular shows, so you'll probably have to do something with the number since taking the full value would make popularity more important than ratings |
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| lol, the top 20 fucking sucks the top 100 doesn't even have Noragami, ridiculous |
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| mal's top10/20/50 list has always been a joke.. nothing new there I supose making a seperate top list with no sequels could fix the 4 gintama, 2 hq problem, but still... |
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IndianAnimeReker said: In my opinion the ratings on MAL needs to give slightly more weight to how popular a show is as well. The more popular a show gets, there's a greater variety of people watching it so the opinions on it should be more diverse. I disagree with that totally. There's a reason why ONLY super popular stuff that ascends to meme level reaches the top on MAL. Super popular shows attract the whole anime crowd, wich means all the people who can't tell the difference between art style and animation and rate everything from 8 to 10. "But le haters" nope. They're insignificant. Tons of excellent oldies or obscure shows have lower ratings; and it's often because the few viewers they attract nowadays are dedicated and interested enough to search for them and care about the quality of the stuff they watch. They're not going to dive in 50 years of anime with the plan to rate everything 10/10. Your suggestion also heavily weights in favor of upvote accounts vs downvote accounts. So ofc memeastic stuff like S;G will climb in the list. |
DeathkoAug 26, 2017 7:29 AM
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| 20% rule probably needs to change, considering main toplists contain everything, from movies, 1cour series, fkton-cour series, ovas, etc. And yeah, sequels have mad inflated scores. If you didn't like the original, why would you watch the sequel? And the next sequel? etc etc |
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| @Feniksrises There's a ranking for popularity, and another for score tho. It's pretty clear reading IndianAnimeReker that he really thinks the score rankings should reflect some kind of objective quality, and his solution to improve it (read: get rid of Gintama) is to... mix it with the popularity one? Doesn't make sense T__T @MortalMelancholy I agree with the 20% rule, but removing or loosening it would just inflate the sequel effect even more. |
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| Meh just dont care about people opinion. Top 20? Trust it dude, Internet never lies. |
| The OP mistyped. The correct variant is "Gintama's top 20 list" |
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