| Japan has been steadfast in its fight against anime piracy. From AnimeSuga to AnimeWave and 123Anime, some of the top visited piracy sites online are now closed. For many fans, these platforms were the go to source for anime, considering how a lot of old school anime and films are not available on streaming platforms. I believe the main reason people hesitate to pay is that they don't want to subscribe to a platform just to watch a specific show. There should be a single streaming service that offers all anime in one place. I am sure this would encourage more users to pay legal sites. |
𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘢 𝘣𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘪𝘯 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥; 𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘪𝘵. |
| "If all pirated sites were to shut down, would you be willing to pay for anime?" Hmm, maybe a little bit. |
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| It'll be a cold day in hell before I give Crunchyroll any money. I watched anime illegally before streaming was a thing and I'll still be doing it long after all those sites are gone. |
| I'm already paying for what is easily available and only pirating stuff that is more difficult to get otherwise. believe the main reason people hesitate to pay is that they don't want to subscribe to a platform just to watch a specific show. There should be a single streaming service that offers all anime in one place. I am sure this would encourage more users to pay legal sites. Nope, they just don't wanna pay. For instance I'm watching 20 seasonals and only Oshi no Ko isn't on CR out of them. It's not gonna get much better in this ever, for non-anime stuff it's way more fragmented so if anime gets bigger it will just be MORE fragmented in the future. It's either because it's pretty expensive for them (aka low income) or they're so used to piracy and see no point in trying anything else (why change if it works) |
| If I had money I would be paying for anything if it isn't censored badly subbed so i can say Crunchyroll isnt getting a penny. Id rather view before buying though so it going away wouldnt motivate me when i dont really have the money. If i had money id be more focused on physical media and merchandise not streaming services that screw you over. Making it go away wont give me money though. |
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| I'm pretty extremely certain that if it wasn't for piracy, anime would not have spread so far, I'm sure I would not have found my favourites without it, and without it I would not have bought Aria the Masterpiece and Natsume manga. I bought random japanese stories (with real money) due to exposure from "piracy". Then Crunchyroll came along and yeah they seem to be a divider. But in short, do I think japanese animation is struggling bco piracy? No I think it was discovered by the world partly BECAUSE of piracy. |
| Just torrent It's the best thing you can do |
All_Knowing said: From AnimeSuga to AnimeWave and 123Anime, some of the top visited piracy sites online are now closed. For many fans, these platforms were the go to source for anime Sounds like those fans were filthy plebes. Not my problem, cuz I torrent. |
| no, i would drop anime because i don't watch very many anyway. |
| With limited access to my national language subs? If they provide the same rande of available titles with Polish subs with no other options to watch it for free than maybe I'd consider that but I know it is something which won't happen. |
Reply to watsym
I'm already paying for what is easily available and only pirating stuff that is more difficult to get otherwise.
Nope, they just don't wanna pay. For instance I'm watching 20 seasonals and only Oshi no Ko isn't on CR out of them. It's not gonna get much better in this ever, for non-anime stuff it's way more fragmented so if anime gets bigger it will just be MORE fragmented in the future.
It's either because it's pretty expensive for them (aka low income) or they're so used to piracy and see no point in trying anything else (why change if it works)
believe the main reason people hesitate to pay is that they don't want to subscribe to a platform just to watch a specific show. There should be a single streaming service that offers all anime in one place. I am sure this would encourage more users to pay legal sites.
Nope, they just don't wanna pay. For instance I'm watching 20 seasonals and only Oshi no Ko isn't on CR out of them. It's not gonna get much better in this ever, for non-anime stuff it's way more fragmented so if anime gets bigger it will just be MORE fragmented in the future.
It's either because it's pretty expensive for them (aka low income) or they're so used to piracy and see no point in trying anything else (why change if it works)
| @watsym In my case it's more about not wanting to enrich Crunchyroll specifically (or any streaming service for that matter) than just not wanting to pay in general. There are many more so-called "pirates" who are motivated moreso by morality rather than economics than people often think. |
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| If there was a platform that included literally every anime that has ever existed, from the newest and most trending seasonal to the oldest and most obscure OVA from the 70s (or even earlier) in the best possible video and audio quality without any lag, and with uncensored BD versions available, then I would definitely consider paying. Otherwise, probably not. For the record, if a website like that existed, I would be willing to pay up to 20€ every month, which is more expensive compared to other streaming sites, like Hulu, HIDIVE, CR, Netflix, etc. |
PokitaruSep 7, 2024 5:47 AM
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| I swear we had a thread like this years ago (or it probably happens all the time) In a realistic world, Piracy will never die no matter what you do, as long as shitty streaming services exists. But if it were to happen, then I'll probably stop watching anime, it's all trash anyway, anime was a mistake. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
Reply to sockerdricka
I'm pretty extremely certain that if it wasn't for piracy, anime would not have spread so far, I'm sure I would not have found my favourites without it, and without it I would not have bought Aria the Masterpiece and Natsume manga.
I bought random japanese stories (with real money) due to exposure from "piracy". Then Crunchyroll came along and yeah they seem to be a divider.
But in short, do I think japanese animation is struggling bco piracy? No I think it was discovered by the world partly BECAUSE of piracy.
I bought random japanese stories (with real money) due to exposure from "piracy". Then Crunchyroll came along and yeah they seem to be a divider.
But in short, do I think japanese animation is struggling bco piracy? No I think it was discovered by the world partly BECAUSE of piracy.
| @sockerdricka Piracy is an obvious problem and no one with a brain and common sense is gonna deny it. It has definitely been a gateway and has played a crucial role in the global dissemination of the medium. But the harm caused by piracy far outweighs its benefits, especially when considering the billions of dollars lost annually. Personally I believe there are grey areas when it comes to piracy. I can understand pirating older anime series or poorly localized series. However, don’t try to convince others that piracy is ethically correct because you’re a rotten bastard who does not care. |
𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘢 𝘣𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘪𝘯 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥; 𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘪𝘵. |
| I would be willing to pay for one subscription service for anime. ONE. If all the anime was in one single utopian streaming platform, I would gladly consider that to be worth my time and money. However, with the splintered landscape of anime licenses only getting worse, I will continue to use any free site I can find until they draw their final breath. |
Reply to All_Knowing
@sockerdricka Piracy is an obvious problem and no one with a brain and common sense is gonna deny it. It has definitely been a gateway and has played a crucial role in the global dissemination of the medium. But the harm caused by piracy far outweighs its benefits, especially when considering the billions of dollars lost annually.
Personally I believe there are grey areas when it comes to piracy. I can understand pirating older anime series or poorly localized series. However, don’t try to convince others that piracy is ethically correct because you’re a rotten bastard who does not care.
Personally I believe there are grey areas when it comes to piracy. I can understand pirating older anime series or poorly localized series. However, don’t try to convince others that piracy is ethically correct because you’re a rotten bastard who does not care.
| @All_Knowing Hahaha. Troll, but just to diseminate your take - please provide a source for your claims? |
| Well, I already do to a certain extent. But for sure I would watch less anime and not pay more than I already do ... the ones I watch illegally is because paid access is not worth it or not possible (at the current time). "I believe the main reason people hesitate to pay is that they don't want to subscribe to a platform just to watch a specific show." I would gladly pay for certain programmes on streaming services if the prices were lower. In Germany it's been about 10€ for rentals and 20€ for purchases (for 12 EPs) in recent years. Call me cheap, but that's not something I'm willing to pay for an average show ... that would be more like 3-5€ per digital purchase. The main problem with subscriptions for one or two programmes is that they are short term: I pay 10-20€ and then only have access for a short time (no purchase, time pressure and still not a good price). "There should be a single streaming service that offers all anime in one place. I am sure this would encourage more users to pay legal sites." - I wonder what the prices and range of offered anime would be without all this licensing stuff (any service allowed to stream every anime for X[money] per click/view time, digital pruchase or a physical medium; with X set by the producer(s)). |
| "I don't know everything, I only know what the internet knows." - Definitely not best girl. "To ask is a moment's shame. Not to, lifelong." - I quoted with a posed look. |
| I paid for anime back in the day when you'd get 4 episodes on a single $30 DVD. I'm never going back to that. Even with modern streaming services, the way streaming sites are now, you'd have to subscribe to multiple different sites which would rack up a lot of bills; and that's not even getting into the problem of anime that just isn't available legally anymore. Piracy the only reasonable option for a lot of us. |
| I never watch anime online for multiple reasons, so I'd just continue using torrents like always. In theory, I don't mind paying directly to people responsible for something that I like, for obvious reason: they deserve it. I did it in the past. That said, I'm not swimming in money, nor do I like the idea of an intermediary getting a cut, and I'd still continue downloading anime/manga/games etc. where I want, in shape and form that I want, regardless of whether I pay for them or not. Official ways of distributing things are often flawed in more ways than one, unfortunately, which is also one of the reasons I'd rather pay directly for a piece of media itself rather than for a service that distributes it, whenever possible. |
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im poor so i will change hobbies instead
| @deg Who are you kidding, you'll never change hobbies :) (Reply to the forum thing about paying for anime) I tried posting this on your profile but apparently you blocked all messages so I tried sending a PM but apparently you also blocked that. For people who still partake in the community it is extremely annoying when they block everything off like that. It's an open site and it's not like people harass you, unless you post some extremely controversial review of some popular anime. It's just weird and it baffles me why you would do that? I mean why?? Why would you still post but block off exactly every option for everyone to ever get back to you? I will never understand it and it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. |
| My pirate sites will never go down lol. But I pay for streaming services anyway for fresh movies and cartoons in 4k. It's a matter of convenience more than money for me. |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
| I already do this, but for unknown and old animes I need to look for piracy, which is not cool, but big companies do not make many ovas or old animes available. |
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traed said: But most blu-rays are released by Crunchyroll anyways...If i had money id be more focused on physical media and merchandise not streaming services that screw you over. |
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| nope, I'll just beg on reddit for people who bought the BDs to share the files |
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| well, i live in a f¨ck up 3rd world country (Cuba) i can´t affort or even have access to those services so...no |
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All_Knowing said: Japan has been steadfast in its fight against anime piracy. From AnimeSuga to AnimeWave and 123Anime, some of the top visited piracy sites online are now closed. For many fans, these platforms were the go to source for anime, considering how a lot of old school anime and films are not available on streaming platforms. I believe the main reason people hesitate to pay is that they don't want to subscribe to a platform just to watch a specific show. There should be a single streaming service that offers all anime in one place. I am sure this would encourage more users to pay legal sites I already pay for what's available leagally, the problem is the stuff that's not available A complete anime streaming service which doesn't suck (*cough cough crunchyroll) is a great idea |
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| Assuming this hypothetical doesn't include torrent sites, then no; I rarely use pirated anime streaming sites to begin with because of their tendency to buffer to the point of being unusable, as well as their low video quality, lack of sub options and absence of filters. Even if torrent sites were also erased, I still wouldn't propagate subscription-based streaming "services" like Crunchyroll, as I do not support that business model, nor does their extremely limited library of anime garner much intrigue. |
  ｲ乇刀乇乃尺ﾑ乇 ╔⏤═⏤╝   ╚⏤═⏤╗☽ Shaded Horizon ☾ |
| I just hope they dont get shut down because I am not willing to give my hard-earned money to some evil corporations. It is not like the new anime shows are worth watching. Only the old shows are worth watching. Paying for anime is only beneficial because it finances the production of new shows. These new shows which are usually no good at all. Dont bother with financing new anime shows. It is all lousy. |
All_Knowing said: I believe the main reason people hesitate to pay is that they don't want to subscribe to a platform just to watch a specific show. There should be a single streaming service that offers all anime in one place. I am sure this would encourage more users to pay legal sites. While that's also a reason, the main issue is the numerous greedy anti-consumer tactics a lot of these companies have used in the past and some of them still use. Piracy in general, while it's harmful to industries, is also the symptom of a disease called greed especially when it comes to entertainment industry.Also, while a site which, has everything would be nice its not gonna, happen because it's a licensing nightmare. Personaly I prefer physical media over any kind of streaming service because I can own what I paid for unlike streaming services which can just cut off your region from their service at any moment. |
| Depending on the site, yes, I don't pay for Trashroll either here or in hell. |
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| No for 2 reasons - western corporate owned anime gets censored - Crippled by student loan debt that I pay off each month |
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| I pay for anime sometimes, but I will never pay for any streaming service, since I will never watch anime over streaming when hard disks exist. Also, as a matter of general principle, if I pay for it, I expect to own it. I also don't buy from companies which try to stop people copying things. If it's just pirate streaming sites that get taken out, then I don't even have to care. But if they somehow brought an end to all copyright-noncompliant distribution, I just would just stop watching new anime. I'm not going to buy any more disks from an industry which crushes freedom like that. |
AngelWithGunz said: They are the company with the most blu-rays on the western market, and they have a partnership with Walmart to sell their blu-rays and some manga physically. Their BD selection is paper thin, and their prices are sky high. Also they have no physical stores to buy them, so you have to order online. Also $30 for a blu-ray is pretty good, specially compared to how they are priced in Japan. I even bought some for less than $25  rohan121 said: wdym by that? western corporate owned anime gets censored Cause both Hidive and CR have uncensored anime, and CR has even helped produce some uncensored ecchi titles. |
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| I would if they made all anime available in one platform including old and new series then yes I would. But I am not going to pay for mutiple streaming sites especially when they are always trying to use some shyster tactics. |
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It'll be a cold day in hell before I give Crunchyroll any money. I watched anime illegally before streaming was a thing and I'll still be doing it long after all those sites are gone.
| @Orsisa You and me buddy, besides I don't think piracy will ever be truly gone. |
| if we are being honest, there could be a single streaming service by a morally respectable company that offers all anime in one place for 4-5 dollars a month. the vast majority of the western anime community on MAL would still pirate regardless. you know who you are. as for me, this would hardly affect me. i mostly watch anime on official channels on Youtube, as well on Hulu and TVer anyway. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
| Nope, the quality of service is too bad to actually be worth money. |
| Anti-aliasing enthusiast |
Reply to ShinyLotus
Well, I already do to a certain extent. But for sure I would watch less anime and not pay more than I already do ... the ones I watch illegally is because paid access is not worth it or not possible (at the current time).
"I believe the main reason people hesitate to pay is that they don't want to subscribe to a platform just to watch a specific show."
I would gladly pay for certain programmes on streaming services if the prices were lower. In Germany it's been about 10€ for rentals and 20€ for purchases (for 12 EPs) in recent years. Call me cheap, but that's not something I'm willing to pay for an average show ... that would be more like 3-5€ per digital purchase.
The main problem with subscriptions for one or two programmes is that they are short term: I pay 10-20€ and then only have access for a short time (no purchase, time pressure and still not a good price).
"There should be a single streaming service that offers all anime in one place. I am sure this would encourage more users to pay legal sites." - I wonder what the prices and range of offered anime would be without all this licensing stuff (any service allowed to stream every anime for X[money] per click/view time, digital pruchase or a physical medium; with X set by the producer(s)).
"I believe the main reason people hesitate to pay is that they don't want to subscribe to a platform just to watch a specific show."
I would gladly pay for certain programmes on streaming services if the prices were lower. In Germany it's been about 10€ for rentals and 20€ for purchases (for 12 EPs) in recent years. Call me cheap, but that's not something I'm willing to pay for an average show ... that would be more like 3-5€ per digital purchase.
The main problem with subscriptions for one or two programmes is that they are short term: I pay 10-20€ and then only have access for a short time (no purchase, time pressure and still not a good price).
"There should be a single streaming service that offers all anime in one place. I am sure this would encourage more users to pay legal sites." - I wonder what the prices and range of offered anime would be without all this licensing stuff (any service allowed to stream every anime for X[money] per click/view time, digital pruchase or a physical medium; with X set by the producer(s)).
| @ShinyLotus I would gladly pay for certain programmes on streaming services if the prices were lower. In Germany it's been about 10€ for rentals and 20€ for purchases (for 12 EPs) in recent years. Call me cheap, but that's not something I'm willing to pay for an average show ... that would be more like 3-5€ per digital purchase. Anime has become so much cheaper and more accessible in the past ten years. For example, for less than $10 a month on Crunchyroll you get access to a catalog of over 20 seasonal. I'm not saying Crunchyroll doesn't have flaws or things they should improve, but if you're into seasonal anime, you're all set. Before the rise of streaming services, fans had to rely on DVD and Blu-rays, which price tag went up every year."There should be a single streaming service that offers all anime in one place. I am sure this would encourage more users to pay legal sites." - I wonder what the prices and range of offered anime would be without all this licensing stuff (any service allowed to stream every anime for X[money] per click/view time, digital pruchase or a physical medium; with X set by the producer(s)) If there was just one platform where you could find every anime you wanted to watch, people might be willing to pay because they wouldn’t have to jump between different sites to find what they wanted. However, licensing agreement are complex and involve negotiation between creators, distributors and streaming services. Without all these licensing issues, the cost would be more affordable for everyone. |
𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘢 𝘣𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘪𝘯 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥; 𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘪𝘵. |
Nothing can stop me from using the magnets! |
Daviljoe193Sep 7, 2024 10:23 AM
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| I am a rich Evil Overlord. I can and will pay licensed sites for their available content, even with the crappy service they commonly offer. Currently between Myself and The Chief Wife, we have Crunchyroll, Hulu, and netflix, and maybe something else on her Roku. After knocking through several dozen more priority old shows on Crunchyroll (I just started my anime hobby 10 months ago), I will add HiDive and maybe Viz Media to get access to more. If there a series that I have to watch now that is not available on my current subscriptions, I will buy the physical media (just once so far). I use unlicensed sites to get orphaned OVAs, Specials, and ONAs that are unavailable with the main series on the licensed sites. I am not interest in having a library of downloads, so I just use streaming. |
| Lord Cruelty V "But my Dreams they're not as empty, as my conscience seems to be" |
| No chance. It's just a hobby for me, and one I'm not willing to spend money for. |
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| >if all of the piracy websites are shut down. I will simply stop watching anime. I aint paying for anime. Just dont watch it if you cannot pay for it. |
| I've said this before, but I'd be willing to pay 99,99$ a month, only if every airing anime and previously aired anime, would be in one and single website. I'd be willing to even donate whenever needed, but there should be every single anime ever before any donation. Wouldn't mind if there was every single hentai as well. Site should be like a new MAL except a streaming service as well. Ain't no chance I'd use something like Crunchyrott who'd even shut down the comment section. |
| "You only realize the real value of something you discarded when you get the chance to pick it up again." - Rudeus Greyrat |
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