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Nov 2, 2016 4:55 AM
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Ah so it looks like Sanji does plan to get married to Pudding in the end after all but also for the sake of his friends. What a guy. Well in some ways, I guess Big Mama's plan worked but I doubt everything will still go according to her plan in the end.
Nov 2, 2016 9:47 AM
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Wow, Sanji is committing himself to this marriage. Obviously there's no way one of our main characters is actually going to be taken out of the story like this, so I'm curious to see if Sanji has a secret plan or if he truly is just "going with the flow" to see what happens.
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Nov 2, 2016 9:48 AM
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Something's up. Sanji can't just marry so easily. He must be in hell right now due to his last encounter with Luffy. Oda is gonna plan a super awesome twist here!!
Nov 2, 2016 9:49 AM
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That hug killed me.
Nov 2, 2016 9:52 AM
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Can we just confirm Pudding is a good guy now? I am sure there will be some, that say she is a great actress, but Pudding has won me over, she is a good woman, if circumstances were different, she would make a fine wife.

Seeing Judge how his children's happiness is so important, I just want to punch him in the face, dam liar, I don't care if he is lying to Big Ma, still hate him.

One other important, don't miss with Anna, she is crazy, maybe she will kill one of Sanji's brothers, why not, that will be great.

This army that going to take down the Luffy, this is the perfect cue for the Strawhat alliance to show up, this should be their fight.

The ending when Sanji takes off the mask and confesses all his pain, that is so sad. And this is not Pudding, she is just a pawn in her all this.

Great chapter, and dam it break next week.
Nov 2, 2016 9:56 AM
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Meh we know what kind of manga this is, All this Sanji drama is all for naught, no Zeff isn't going to die and neither will Sanji, he will return to the crew, maybe with his new wife as well.
I'm more intrigued by Luffy just standing there vs all that army I wonder who will make him budge from there? maybe they'll fool him with a Sanji clone or something.
Anyone remember Jinbe though? he confronted Big Mom earlier in the arc, was about to receive his punishment and we didn't hear of him since.
Nov 2, 2016 10:05 AM
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Pudding is so precious :*) Loved their conversation and the hug. I really hope when this is all over she stays with Sanji and the SHs as his wife.

Luffy going against all those guys while he's already at his limit. Can't see this ending well without back up. Jimbei?

And BM is f'd up with the way she raises her kids. Everyone has a few hundred people they wanna kill deal with it o_o...

Oda's been on fire recently
Nov 2, 2016 10:22 AM
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Damn Oda delivers it again.Another heartbreaking chapter and I don't see how Luffy will get out alive from an army.
Pudding sure is a nice and Sanji decide to marry her..
I hope may be after this arc she might go with the straw hats and next week One Piece is on break :(
Lol at the Sausage Party reference but with the food enjoying to be eaten xD
Nov 2, 2016 10:26 AM
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So far we've seen a Trend where Luffy wins his fights in the new world.
Luffy cannot fall!

I wonder if Luffy will gain Awakening here?
Nov 2, 2016 10:29 AM

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Sanji after seeing there is no escape finally decides to marry Pudding.The moment when he removed his mask,revealing his damaged face and his nightmarish childhood to Pudding was really well done.Luffy is still standing in the same spot and now is taking on a whole army,which is going to avenge Cracker.Amazing chapter once again this week.Unfortunately,no chapter next week.
Nov 2, 2016 10:49 AM

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I wonder who's gonna show up to help Luffy vs that army..
A stupid thread deserves a stupid answer!
Nov 2, 2016 11:08 AM
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I knew it!

Zeus and Prometheus are products of her Soul Soul fruit power: Homies!

She can practically bring ANYTHING TO LIFE as long as it isn't human or human-like. So why not natural elements?

But that could be good thing. If Nami plays her card right (pun intended), she could turn this around using them~!
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Nov 2, 2016 11:12 AM
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MonkeyDMike said:
Sanji after seeing there is no escape finally decides to marry Pudding.The moment when he removed his mask,revealing his damaged face and his nightmarish childhood to Pudding was really well done.Luffy is still standing in the same spot and now is taking on a whole army,which is going to avenge Cracker.Amazing chapter once again this week.Unfortunately,no chapter next week.


True, but leaves a sour taste in my mouth...

It's not like I don't understand what he's going through and his circumstances, but Sanji... are you really pulling a Nico Robin (Enies Lobby; similar situation and he's kinda being like her before she rejoined Luffy's crew!) on Luffy?! You being KINDA of hypocritical ain't ya (considering the determination, smarts, and actions you're able to pull before this Arc)?!

If your character development goes through that same path as well, than I'm disappointed in you!! DAMN YOU SANJI!
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Nov 2, 2016 11:25 AM

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i still want to see someone kicking ass to Judge and his kids..
the brothers are wayyyy too fucking arrogant..
Nov 2, 2016 11:38 AM

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It's rare to see Sanji talks with a girl with serious expression lol.. maybe, just maybe.. he would actually be marry her xD
Nov 2, 2016 11:50 AM

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Sanji has to go back.
And I want him to marry Pudding too, she's adorable.

Toothless Luffy looks badass I wonder if Oda we'll keep it like that
Nov 2, 2016 11:52 AM

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bkim999 said:
MonkeyDMike said:
Sanji after seeing there is no escape finally decides to marry Pudding.The moment when he removed his mask,revealing his damaged face and his nightmarish childhood to Pudding was really well done.Luffy is still standing in the same spot and now is taking on a whole army,which is going to avenge Cracker.Amazing chapter once again this week.Unfortunately,no chapter next week.


True, but leaves a sour taste in my mouth...

It's not like I don't understand what he's going through and his circumstances, but Sanji... are you really pulling a Nico Robin (Enies Lobby; situation is almost similar and he's kinda being like her before she rejoined Luffy's crew!) on Luffy?! You being KINDA of hypocritical ain't ya (considering the determination, smarts, and actions you're able to pull before this Arc)?!

If your character development goes through that same path as well, than I'm disappointed in you!! DAMMIT SANJI!


Well,we had Nami,Usopp and Robin leaving temporarily from the crew.Sanji leaving as well now is nothing new.When a manga runs for so many years it's difficult to keep being original in every situation.I agree that Sanji may act as an hypocrite when back in Enies Lobby was pursuing Robin,but back then it seems that he thought he would never had to encounter his family ever again after 13 years,when he escaped,while Robin was running away in her whole life by the WG.Now,Sanji being in the same situation seeing his friends,his father figure and his own hands in danger believes that there is nothing he can do now to escape.I think this is a normal reaction,even though it's a bit repetitive and cliche.But,I want to believe that Oda will give a nice original conclusion for this arc.
Nov 2, 2016 12:16 PM

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The conversation between Pudding and Sanji was nice. I don't think that Sanji will really marry her. He will stand up for his nakamas.

Luffy is waiting for Sanji and fighting and entire army. This can't end well. Maybe Jimbei will show up to help Luffy
Nov 2, 2016 12:36 PM

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Wait a second?

Mama has the Soul Soul or the Weather Weather? I am kkinda confused here.
Nov 2, 2016 12:42 PM

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Pudding is still deliciously sweet.

I wouldn't want eat talking food. That would be disturbing.

A cliffhanger with a break. No idea what will happen with the rest of this arc.
Nov 2, 2016 12:52 PM

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There we have it. Straight from the horse's mouth. Last week I got into an argument with a guy that tried to tell me Sanji was doing this for Zeff and himself, and there we have it. He says himself he was trying to save the SHs and he's willing to sacrifice himself for it. As if that wasn't obvious enough.

Now, obviously Sanji will not get married as it conflicts with his place in the story but if Oda resolves it by making Pudding a scheming, conniving fiend who was feigning her kindness I will not forgive him.
Nov 2, 2016 12:58 PM

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Luffy actually holding back the massive army :(
They must not be that strong individually I guess.

Mama's psycho kid is a cute :)

Pudding seems good but we'll see.
Nov 2, 2016 12:59 PM

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Those talking food are just disturbing
Nov 2, 2016 1:00 PM
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MonkeyDMike said:
bkim999 said:


True, but leaves a sour taste in my mouth...

It's not like I don't understand what he's going through and his circumstances, but Sanji... are you really pulling a Nico Robin (Enies Lobby; situation is almost similar and he's kinda being like her before she rejoined Luffy's crew!) on Luffy?! You being KINDA of hypocritical ain't ya (considering the determination, smarts, and actions you're able to pull before this Arc)?!

If your character development goes through that same path as well, than I'm disappointed in you!! DAMMIT SANJI!


Well,we had Nami,Usopp and Robin leaving temporarily from the crew.Sanji leaving as well now is nothing new.When a manga runs for so many years it's difficult to keep being original in every situation.I agree that Sanji may act as an hypocrite when back in Enies Lobby was pursuing Robin,but back then it seems that he thought he would never had to encounter his family ever again after 13 years,when he escaped,while Robin was running away in her whole life by the WG.Now,Sanji being in the same situation seeing his friends,his father figure and his own hands in danger believes that there is nothing he can do now to escape.I think this is a normal reaction,even though it's a bit repetitive and cliche.But,I want to believe that Oda will give a nice original conclusion for this arc.


Exactly (what you said is kinda my point). I'm hoping for an original and satisfying conclusion as well. The development looks similar to Enies Lobby; I'm just hoping its climax and how it ends goes way differently (and make me take back what I said about Sanji...)
Nov 2, 2016 1:19 PM
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Okay chapter. I know he's not gonna get married. lol
Nov 2, 2016 1:41 PM
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I'm laughing because I feel like at the end of one piece, sanji x pudding might still end up a thing marriage or not, they really do seem great for each other even with these circumstances at hand. I mean, it could be possible for luffy to lose a crew member in the future but not sanji- who else would cook the food?
Nov 2, 2016 1:42 PM

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Big MOM is pissed. The Enraging Army against Luffy. He seriously needs help or someone needs to get him out of there.

DAMN Big MOM is massive compared to the Vinsmokes.
Sanji willing to give up his adventure to protect his friends.

Break next week.
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Nov 2, 2016 1:51 PM

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With this willpower, I wonder if it will strengthen Luffy's Haoshoku no Haki.
Nov 2, 2016 1:59 PM

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It would be actually a great character development for Sanji to actually fall for Pudding and marry her even if Luffy wins.

The foolish way he always acts near womens is a bit old now. I don't want him to stay a comic relief.

ps : and that last panet was really beautiful.
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Nov 2, 2016 2:07 PM

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Damn, I forgot his face was still messed up.
Pudding is a keeper <3 That hug was really nice.
Too bad the marriage ain't happening, maybe at the end of this series.
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short_review said:
It would be actually a great character development for Sanji to actually fall for Pudding and marry her even if Luffy wins.

The foolish way he always acts near womens is a bit old now. I don't want him to stay a comic relief.

ps : and that last panet was really beautiful.

Summed my thoughts up.

Get the cook finally laid so that his character finaly evolves a little (not that it was absent recently).

What I like most about it is the fact that although she´s sweet and I wish we could get this development I can see Oda breaking everyones hearts and making her into a double agent. (which I´d love too). Better twist then Shyamalan.
Nov 2, 2016 3:17 PM

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what does the flying sun with the funny face do? what happens when he gets destroyed?

Nov 2, 2016 6:16 PM
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I see a huge plot twist incoming and I think I know what could happen. I assume it will happen next chapter or the chapter after that. If what I think is really going to happen, it will change everything in this arc.
I watched a theory video yesterday about how the arc might turn out and the theory makes a whole lot of sense.
I don't want to talk about it here in detail because there is a great chance it might turn out to be true in 846 or 847.

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Luffy actually holding back the massive army :(
They must not be that strong individually I guess.

Mama's psycho kid is a cute :)

Pudding seems good but we'll see.


They seem to be really strong individually though. Yonji even said he can't count high enough to add their total bounty together.
You can see at least 3 children of Big Mom in this armee and they're all Ministers like Cracker. So we have to assume that their bounty is probably higher as Luffy's bounty as well.

Nov 2, 2016 7:08 PM

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I wonder who's gonna show up to help Luffy vs that army..


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He seriously needs help or someone needs to get him out of there.
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Guys u forgot about Jinbe , he will be the one to show up i guess.

Nov 2, 2016 8:29 PM

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Really liked this chapter, from Luffy being persistent in facing the army, to Pudding getting closer to Sanji.

Sanji x Pudding is too cute. But of course in the end I'm pretty sure something will come up to prevent their relationship.

Really interested in seeing how the wedding will play out.
Nov 2, 2016 10:10 PM

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I really love Pudding! She's so sweet. Sanji is really committed to that marriage huh?

Nov 2, 2016 10:28 PM

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Great chapter again.

Luffy refuses to even hide or eat and is determined to wait for Sanji, I love it when he displays his conviction like this.
I loved the panel that showed Luffy standing alone against the approaching Enraged Army. Felt incredibly poignant with the whole One Man vs The World kinda scenario.

Big Mom is massive, Wow.

It was really emotional when Sanji started talking about his life was hell with the Vinsmokes and eventually how he found 13 years of happiness with Zeff and the StrawHats. Really nice how he called everyone he met during that happy time his saviors, I shed a tear when reading it. :(
When you realize that the StrawHats were kind of like saviors to Sanji, It adds so much more meaning to the Time Skip where Sanji lived through the other 'hell' to get stronger for Luffy.
Don't give up on your adventure Sanji!

Pudding is really sweet, Vowing to help Sanji through these times. I actually wouldn't mind them getting married but returning to the StrawHats comes first.

Luffy hanging in there against the army, Hopefully Jimbei or someone will show up to help.
Break next week, Great work with these recent chapter Oda. :D
Nov 2, 2016 10:32 PM

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am i the only one who doesn't like romance being introduced in the straw hat crew? i get pudding's great and all, but i mean they were like a well knit group of best friends. the straw hats, i mean. involving an outside love interest leaves kind of a sour taste :/
i also dont like how sanji slowly seems to be getting separated from the crew ;-;
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It's gonna be really interesting to see how Sanji works this all out. I didn't expect him to want to go through with the marriage, but now that he is I wonder what he plans on doing to also get back together with the crew. He's obviously not going to be taken out of the story like this so he must have something in mind. I really have no idea how this will work, I'm really excited.

And in the mean time, how are Luffy and Nami are going to deal with the army?

Also, with us seeing Zeus and Prometheus it's clear that controlling the weather is just part of her DF using some powerful creations from her power. I wasn't sure if it was more of her DF or if she somehow had some extra abilities natural to her, like how Blackbeard can somehow have two DF powers.

EDIT: Saw the mention of Jinbie. Of course, we haven't seen him for awhile, makes sense he could come help them.
Nov 3, 2016 12:48 AM
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Don't forget that Sanji still has those handcuffs on him. His is all that reminds him off his late mother, therefore it's that much more emotional wrecking for him. Jimbe will of course come to help Luffy, it's about time that he officially jobs the crew, maybe the rest of the fishmen pirates might help and if not. I'm really going for Marco The Phoenix, because of course they still need to find him. Why not there where Puffy has to fight so many heavy hitters.
Nov 3, 2016 1:44 AM
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This was too intense, I've never thought Luffy would be once defeated in all aspects and left with no hope. And he's fighiting a Yonko Army that I think is the strongest.
Sanji current life is the sadest in One Piece till now.

I can't see a predictable twist next issue. Even Jinbe can't save him on his own. Even all the Yujin people can't save him. That 16 yo princess can't call Sea Kings on land either. Even Luffy's crew can't save him. It needs all the alliances (Law, Dressrosa, Mink & Samurais) to -partially- beat BM army. And Germa66 & BM still unbeaten.
But Luffy didn't call them for help (especially the Dressrosa fleet).

It'll take someone of Kuzan or Mihawk (or Marco) to beat all the army.

I can't see someone like Kaidou or Shanks joining the party. Perhaps BB because he's interested in Luffy's DF and probably BM but he won't dare touch her. He's also after the Red Ponygliph.

The WG/Marine interfering? I can't see any WG daring touching Big Mom, she seems like she has the greatest influence in the WG (and Germa66 is a plus !)

The Revolutionarries? no, Dragon has more important things I think. He escaped from BB for some reasons. I don't think he's interested in Big Mom.

PLEASE GODA, NO DEUX EX TWIST.

I like to see the characters suffering and overcoming that suffer in a realistic way.
This is probably the best 0% chance of victory I've ever read. Please don't ruin it.


PS: Am I the only one who noticed that "...CH 854 / END" ? lol
Nov 3, 2016 4:23 AM

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I can't wait for the next chapter damn it!
And the one who will help Luffy is probably gonna be Jinbe against that massive army
The break next week is going to slowly kill me
Nov 3, 2016 6:07 AM
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Well. I think Germa 66 will betray Mama, that is the plot twist. The marriage is like a Trojan Horse, and probably Germa 66 is doing that to get back East Blue from the World Government (or from another Yonko)
In one of the pages of the chapter, the leader of Germa 66 says a very interesting quote, stating that He was sure that everyone would remember well the next day (the day of the marriage).
This may happen: Luffy is captured, and his whole crew. Germa 66 betrays Mama, then we have a 3 sided-war.
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i still want to see someone kicking ass to Judge and his kids..
the brothers are wayyyy too fucking arrogant..

Agreed. I also want Reiju to leave the family somehow.. Maybe Sanji can help her escape??
Melysara.
Nov 3, 2016 10:24 AM

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damn it luffy actually holding those army off. show them who's the boss, Luffy!
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I love One piece, each chapter or episode is Amazing.


Nov 3, 2016 4:32 PM

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Pudding is a bro.
Luffy will be saved by
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Nov 4, 2016 12:37 AM

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Sanji has no faith at his captain, how could he say those things to pudding. Finally he has given up and decided to marry her, he is starting to be my least favorite now.
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Nov 4, 2016 3:54 AM

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Wow, this was another good chapter. I wonder how strong that army is. Maybe luffy is just punching them, but they don't even feel it? Maybe they are almost as strong as the commanders, so even individually taking them on would be a quite hard task.

Big Mom wasn't even angry by the way? They are called the "enraged army", and it's raining like Big Mom is furious as hell. Then we see her calmly having a dinner with the Vinsmokes, talking about having a few hundred people everyone despise and wants dead. You know, ordinary things. I thought she'd throw a tantrum because of Cracker's defeat, but no...?
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I'm more intrigued by Luffy just standing there vs all that army I wonder who will make him budge from there? maybe they'll fool him with a Sanji clone or something.
Anyone remember Jinbe though? he confronted Big Mom earlier in the arc, was about to receive his punishment and we didn't hear of him since.


I wonder how Luffy will face the army.
I had forgotten Jinbei. Hope he comes to Luffy's rescue.


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