Tsukkimaru said: JustALEX said: Does this mean K-ON is a yuri anime? No, but there ARE undertones and many fans are OK with that. The thing is the hypocrisy, a lot of male fans will be completely happy and onboard with all-female casts and 'yuri bait', but as soon as the gender is reversed it's 'gross' and they won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Although, I'm not saying everyone is like this, I've seen quite a few male anime fans that have seen things like Free! Or are watching Yuri on Ice this season. This. And also you wont see female acting like "ew this is so lesbian iw wont watch it because Im straight female and I dont like lesbian stuff" actually I know many straight female friends who likes Love Live and are all okay with the Yuri ships. |
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| the replies on this thread trigger me so much It's funny how most people that complains about manservice in this thread love fanservice. remember that not all anime are made to suit your tastes, the industry has to adapt to all the audiences not jsut the male population. Plus has it was shown in Osomatsu-san sales, the fujoshi are the ones that are spending more in anime merchandising with hints of shounen ai, so ofcourse the industry is starting to produce more anime with fujobait. If you fell unconfortable with it there's still plenty of ecchi and shounen anime for you to see this season (ajin, keijo, okusama seitokaichou, touken ranbu) |
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| @Pullman I used a pic from YoI because that was the main anime in the discussion.I also agree about Haikyuu and Kuroko. Also @Xykko sasalx said: Gaelenmyr said: I swear we didn't have these discussions when 2000s were full of ecchi/yuribait/moe shows. Now it is balanced. Want to watch manservice anime? Or you prefer ecchi? Now you have both options. Your insecurities are showing, straight guys. Let people enjoy their anime. There are still moe/ecchi fanservice anime for you every season. Stop complaining like a little, insecure child. Like I said in many many many many many times.Watching them is fine ofc.You can watch whatever you want.Balance is also good.Problem is just accepting the genre.Even the watchers don't want to accept that and that's the main problem. |
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sasalx said: @Pullman I used a pic from YoI because that was the main anime in the discussion.I also agree about Haikyuu and Kuroko. Also @Xykko sasalx said: Like I said in many many many many many times.Watching them is fine ofc.You can watch whatever you want.Balance is also good.Problem is just accepting the genre.Even the watchers don't want to accept that and that's the main problem. You still haven't replied to my edit: Pullman said: Or to put it differently, imagine your favorite anime having a few spread out scenes that could be seen as gay undertones (just that, nothing official) but nothing else changes in the remaining 99,9999% of the anime. Would that make that show worth bashing, ignoring, calling fujoshit and avoiding it like the plague? Because that's the behaviour I see all the time. Often from the same people who will defend extremely fanservice-heavy ecchi shows who dedicate much, much more time to their fanservice, because these shows 'have much more to offer than just their ecchi'. But obviously a show with 2 seconds of gay undertones per episode is absolutely unwatchable for any self-respecting, heterosexual male. That leap of logic is just baffling to me. If someone literally only watches anime for the male-targeted fanservice and ecchi then sure, anything devoid of that is not of interest to them. But that's not even limited to shows with 'gay undertones' if that's the case. Anyone who can also appreciate good characters, development, plot, drama, comedy, whatever should not be prone to avoid a show like the plague just because of 2 seconds of 'undertones' in every other episode. Just like 2 seconds of ecchi each episode shouldn't turn anyone away as long as the rest of the show is good. |
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Bobby2Hands said: Yet people rarely ever point out the strong homo erotic undertones in Berserk and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. come on don't you think Avdol x Polnareff or the Caesar x Joseph otp are the best thing ever? And lets not forget about the flamboyant/sexual dubious characters in Hokuto no Ken. Like at least 2 of the villains ahve the hots for kenshiro, but no one ever talks about that |
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worldeditor11 said: Can someone please tell me what is wrong with someone not liking something due to x reasons? Is it possible to dislike the supposed homoerotic content in these anime, while they do not actually display any? Question yourself that. These titles are entirely void of homosexual romance or sexual relationships — and as mentioned earlier, it is concocted by fans and anti-fans themselves that these series portray shounen ai or yaoi. The amount of homosexual fan-art and fan-fiction on characters whose sexual orientation is straight or not otherwise defined, is what inspires thoughts of the general dislike and these 'reasons', while they are not actually present in the anime itself. |
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worldeditor11 said: No, they are not. Now you know. Jesus Christ this thread. Asians aren't even close between male and female to be close between male and male . ( Also putting the whole BL manga aside , japan like other asain country aren't open minded about the whole gay thing , at least not the same in the west . Sex itself is a tabboo there ) |
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worldeditor11 said: I don't think it is a problem avoiding (like I do for free and yuri on ice) or disliking the anime for the undertones but calling them Yaoi when they are not is simply a lie.Can someone please tell me what is wrong with someone not liking something due to x reasons? |
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worldeditor11 said: Can someone please tell me what is wrong with someone not liking something due to x reasons? It's a very debatable topic. But, I think one of the main reasons is if your not liking something that 'represents' an irl group of people or community. To put it in context, if I said I don't like X anime because it's horror or SoL then that doesn't really affect or hurt anybody, and if it does it's not to a massive extent. However, if I said I don't like X anime because it's got a black character or has a canon gay/lesbian character then that would be seen as bigoted, since it means I perhaps don't see these people as equal or having a 'right' to be represented, if that makes sense? |
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| @Pullman Didn't saw that because of new page sorry. First of all I never said something with gay elements is "absolutely unwatchable for any self-respecting, heterosexual male."I am looking for acceptance.I also stated that that was just an example and I was talking about spoilers. Now for your question.We have a good example for this.Shokugeki no Souma.This show have fanservice for both males and females.I absolutely love this show.Having two different fanservice also adds diversity.I am not enjoying the female fanservice moments but they are not bothers me either.So even if it my favorite anime or not I don think I will "bash, ignore, callfujoshit and avoid it like the plague." I hope this will satisfy you about my opinions on this matter. |
Mlala said: Gay refers to homosexual relationships and there isn't any of them in Free!. They're all friends at most. It's fans that interpret their interactions as romantic or sexual sometimes. As for Yuri!!! on Ice, it's also devoid of homosexual relationships so far. It's not gay. And that's part of what annoys me about this topic. Just because something can be seen as having gay undertones doesn't mean it has to be seen that way. But the people in this thread always treat it like it's a fact and if you don't agree they get hostile/condescending. Just like obnoxious fujoshi when you don't agree that their favorite pairing is actually not confirmed to be gay in any way. Undertones are just that, open to interpretation if you want to see things that way, but they are far from being actual gayness. Their gayness lies in the eyes of the viewer. |
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| They might not be Yaoi, but almost of them has some gay undertones... Not that I care anyway.., I (we) just don't like Sports anime in general. |
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Bobby2Hands said: In Berserk Griffith does have an ambiguous relationship with Guts but it is clear that for Guts it is only friendship/respect.Yet people rarely ever point out the strong homo erotic undertones in Berserk and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Many muscular males being fabulous are easy material for yaoi fanfics but I still didn't got those gay undertones in the source material. However the author like to draw them in dubious positions on the covers or other pages that are not part of the story thus contributing to the fanfics. |
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sasalx said: @Pullman Didn't saw that because of new page sorry. First of all I never said something with gay elements is "absolutely unwatchable for any self-respecting, heterosexual male."I am looking for acceptance.I also stated that that was just an example and I was talking about spoilers. Now for your question.We have a good example for this.Shokugeki no Souma.This show have fanservice for both males and females.I absolutely love this show.Having two different fanservice also adds diversity.I am not enjoying the female fanservice moments but they are not bothers me either.So even if it my favorite anime or not I don think I will "bash, ignore, callfujoshit and avoid it like the plague." I hope this will satisfy you about my opinions on this matter. Other people (even in this thread) will do just that tho. It seems your main point in this thread is about the undertones in Yuri on Ice (I still don't know if you hate the show because of it or if you are just arguing for the sake of it) so my initial post probably doesn't even apply to you since I was mostly talking about other shows and the kind of people who do 'bash, ignore, call fujoshit and avoid them like the plague' just based on a few seconds of barely existing undertones. |
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| @Pullman I don't hate YoI and I don't think I will hate a show because of it's genre or "undertones." Technically I am just saying because of those I think this has gay elements.Just that.Personally I don't watch sport animes that much.So I am not a fan or hater.I just have one point and talking about that. |
| it seems if i dont like shounen ai stuff im "homophobic" and "bigot" im not talking about sport anime, but anime with shounen ai vibe like yuri on ice and free please throw more buzzword lol the current year is so strange i'm glad at least it's only happening in western society |
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| These type of anime themselves are not shounen-ai (let alone yaoi) but even the tiniest hint of two boys getting along is good enough to trigger the fujos' rainbow colored imagination and start with the shipping by writing fanfics, making fanart, doujinshis etc. and start spreading it; sometimes even adding their own interpretations saying that the character's are actually intended to be gay you just have to read between the lines as to what the creators actually intended thus labeling their ship as "canon". Things will only get worse if the fan-translation group responsible for that series is made up of fujos because normal people usually blindly believe them thinking they make the best interpretations because they know Japanese. If others watch it while it's still ongoing well and good. For the normal viewers who find the series later, they might have already seen pics with misleading info or fanart or extracts from fanfics or simply fujos fangirling over how "canon" their ship is shared somewhere or the other and end up thinking that it's gay without even ever trying it. On the other hand, most male viewers would be put off just seeing the entire male cast, they just prefer more females or at least some badass action or OP MCs which such series generally lack. And once someone's mind is set on a certain opinion it's not very easy to change that. I think most people don't even know what the term "gay" even means, they'll just label anyone gay even if they just talk to another guy. Looks like there's this misconception that all anime have romance and it's about the MC falling in love with someone irrespective of the genre or themes thus leading them to think that the lack of a prominent lead female implies that the guys are gay. Believe me though, it doesn't happen with just sports anime but even with any other anime which has mostly male characters. |
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Lestat- said: 3. You are suffering from some sort of distorted body image of yourself and fear that others will laugh at your naked self. yeah, it's not like i was actually bullied and laughed at in grade and high school bc of my body. people didn't laugh at me and constantly pointed out how i looked bad and still do so when they see pictures of me ("boy you sure were fat and ugly"). sure Either way, what are you expecting from western audiences? Men are literally raised into avoiding physical contact with other males and expressing as few as possible emotion. We're being raised by a generation who thought homosexuality was sin, and end up relating the both of them. Personally I just don't have any interest in sports anime and the only thing I ever see about these anime are tumblrs headcannoning everyone as gay, so like how am I not supposed to see gay undertones? What's wrong with seeing gay undertones either way, if the characters don't have explicitly stated sexualities? Are we supposed to default everything as straight then? |
| I'm so sick of this discussion already. Seriously. Even IF, and I mean IF a sports anime shows some kind of "gayish undertone", what's the problem with that? Why does it seem so impossible to reach at least a little bit of tolerance for storytelling like that? Why is it canon, that Free! "must be yaoi" because it features a few fanservice shots (the heaviest was btw. one of totally unrelated bodies recognized by the female trainer, remember?)? Yeah, it must be hypergay, seeing all those trained bodys in their slinky swimsuits. Oh my. For real, get over it or call every ecchi you see from now on the equivalent of yuri. This onesided mentality of the discussion really sickens me. It is totally okay, if your attitude makes it impossible to deal with those things or you're simply not interested in watching sports anime in general. But then please, stop calling that stuff gay, just because it features sportscomrades who get along really well. That's the mentality of sports. Or get another term for gay, because that word get's so washed, like Namae_nashi wrote. |
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Schlopsi said: I'm so sick of this discussion already. Seriously. Even IF, and I mean IF a sports anime shows some kind of "gayish undertone", what's the problem with that? Why does it seem so impossible to reach at least a little bit of tolerance for storytelling like that? Why is it canon, that Free! "must be yaoi" because it features a few fanservice shots (the heaviest was btw. one of totally unrelated bodies recognized by the female trainer, remember?)? Yeah, it must be hypergay, seeing all those trained bodys in their slinky swimsuits. Oh my. For real, get over it or call every ecchi you see from now on the equivalent of yuri. This onesided mentality of the discussion really sickens me. It is totally okay, if your attitude makes it impossible to deal with those things or you're simply not interested in watching sports anime in general. But then please, stop calling that stuff gay, just because it features sportscomrades who get along really well. That's the mentality of sports. Or get another term for gay, because that word get's so washed, like Namae_nashi wrote. if you were sick of this thread you wouldn't comment something that you obviously consider the opposing side. Because the only possible follow-up to that is either someone arguing against you, or everyone ignoring you. Ecchi is either aggressively heterosexual (harems, mostly) or has explicit yuri undertones or even lesbian characters, so that's a pretty bad comparison. Have these characters ever said "I am 100% straight"? If not I have all right to call them gay. |
| Ok, I tried to be nice and I personally feel I gave good responces, but it all boils down to this... I don't want to watch any anime featuring gay male characters or implied homosexuality , or yaoi undertones like "Free" or "Yuri on Ice" or whatever... I can't relate to that, I don't find the topic enjoyable or entertaining. NO, I am not a bigot or homophobe. A REAL homophobe would literally go out of his way to bash these shows and anyone that likes them.....they would also want this type of anime banned or whatever. I think it's great we have anime that suit so many tastes, the more people watch anime the better. Just don't bring your gay shit near me. (hopefully, your sense of humor is not gone, seriously, relax.) |
demonskul777 said: Ecchi is either aggressively heterosexual (harems, mostly) or has explicit yuri undertones or even lesbian characters, so that's a pretty bad comparison. Well, touché. It was rather considered to be used as an comparison regarding fanshots, etc. You can use SoL stuff instead, like K-On! which would feature the same "lesbian undertones" (storytellingwise) Oh my... and no ones get het up about it. Wonder why? Because it's girls? Have these characters ever said "I am 100% straight"? If not I have all right to call them gay. Thanks, that's the most childish answer I could find on this thread. (Read your second post seconds later, I still have some humour left though ;) ) |
JustALEX said: Well saidOk, I tried to be nice and I personally feel I gave good responces, but it all boils down to this... I don't want to watch any anime featuring gay male characters or implied homosexuality , or yaoi undertones like "Free" or "Yuri on Ice" or whatever... I can't relate to that, I don't find the topic enjoyable or entertaining. NO, I am not a bigot or homophobe. A REAL homophobe would literally go out of his way to bash these shows and anyone that likes them.....they would also want this type of anime banned or whatever. I think it's great we have anime that suit so many tastes, the more people watch anime the better. Just don't bring your gay shit near me. (hopefully, your sense of humor is not gone, seriously, relax.) The same for me I just can't stand that kind of anime |
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Schlopsi said: Have these characters ever said "I am 100% straight"? If not I have all right to call them gay. Thanks, that's the most childish answer I could find on this thread. (Read your second post seconds later, I still have some humour left though ;) ) My second post? Are you confusing me with someone else, because I only posted twice and the thing you replied to was my second post It's meant ironically, I just mean to say that people considering characters gay have all right to. I feel like defaulting everyone to heterosexual and telling people "no it's not gay, they never said they were" is the exact same as what I did there. Not to say that you did that, but those are the usual arguments as to why things are not gay. |
worldeditor11 said: You misunderstood me. I said that not liking a show for being fujoshi bait is fine, I don't like them myself. I am avoiding free and this new yuri on ice because I am mostly sure I won't like it. zal said: I don't think it is a problem avoiding (like I do for free and yuri on ice) or disliking the anime for the undertones but calling them Yaoi when they are not is simply a lie. Now, calling someone justifying a reason of his preferences as lying is disrespectful and bigoted don't you think? Is like calling me a liar when I don't like Pepsi just because it's a poor man's version of Coca-Cola. If telling my true feelings why my preferences are so as straight up dishonest, then I am lying to myself for telling people otherwise. What I said is that those shows are NOT yaoi or at least not yet. Calling it yaoi is a lie because they are not. It's like saying moe is shit because it's paedophilia. I might even feel like some of them have paedophile undertones but it is not paedophilia. Saying it is it's a lie. I know what OP, you and proponents of his trying to convey; It is just that you guys are too zealous in your "movement" that it even turn me off. I mean, you guys are arguing semantics of yaoi, yuri, their undertones and what have you when nobody are even referring to them context wise. And bashing people for disliking something due to reasons that you guys think unreasonable which is just plain silly and uncomfortably opinionated to an extent. I didn't bash anyone not liking fujoshi bait/sport anime nor I remember anyone doing it here in this thread. "People don't like Yuri on Ice or Free because they are gay/yaoi/fujoshi anime." But the others and me are referring to the people that go out of their way in bashing fujoshi bait anime like DoctorSexy whom is a huge fan of ecchi which is almost the same as fujoshi bait anime therefore being quite the hypocrite. Or to the people that comment in the forum of said anime just to insult people that like the show. Or like this guy from another thread.The context here is NOT these people avoiding the stated anime because they do have physical homoerotic content, IT IS BECAUSE of the anime itself having gay undertones or any characteristics however small that may be, to be translated as homo undertones for these people. Confusing isn't it! But most of the time, that's exactly what they actually meant. It is a hyperbole. Just like someone says he will kill his best friend for stealing his taco bell. Did he actually mean it? Of course not. But some do, only they are the outliers. aratinga said: The real problem this season has is the number of obnoxious fujobait trash. Do you see what I am trying to say here? There are people in this very thread saying the same thing but somehow, their thoughts don't really get through. Then, some of you might say that they are being serious which means they don't like the anime because IT IS GAY. Sure, you could prove these group of people as wrong but to what end? He still will continue to label these shows as gay and the majority won't even bat an eyelid. Because the meaning of gay and yaoi encompasses their undertones as well in anime culture. So much so that people sort of understand what the reason is, although the usage of the term is incorrect as you and others have stated earlier. But they are not alone. The usage of otaku is another term that most people seem confused about its intended meaning. But most people will make it out the true implications just be looking at the context where the word is used, not just the word alone. The thing is that IT IS NOT GAY unless there's a gay relationship between two or more characters. Having manservice is not gay nor showing a more feminine friendship between the characters. It might not be relatable nor likeable for some people but it doesn't make it gay.Moreover it seems that most people calling everything gay have never went to a football/rugby/volleyball/swimming club/gym/course because in the long run there are situations that from outside might be seen as strange but they are normal and not gay for them. Footballers or trainers slap other mens butt from time to time just use google search. They do shower in the same large shower-room. They do hug each other. Some people, especially from less easy going countries like germany or those that never had this kind of experience might not understand it. Calling fujoshi bait anime gay or yaoi is quite ignorant. Of course, educating someone about something is a noble cause by itself. I have no problem with that. I do however have a problem when some of you in here start labeling people as homophobic, fujoshits, bigots or whatever negative labels you have under your keyboard just because of someone reasoning a personal preference. Preference as you know, is subjective! Not objective. Come on guys, it is 2016, why we differing opinions still? I didn't label anyone like that or at least I tried to. I don't enjoy the fujoshi bait but there are shows that don't even have it but still get called like that. It is not a matter of preference but of logic.I am not trying to change anyone's opinion but rather show them the difference between what they are thinking and what they are saying. |
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| Whatever, I just hate that people also call Haikyuu fujobait when there's NO sign of bait in it whatsoever... On the contrary, most of the cast just keep worshiping girls whenever they see one and there's a obvious ship between the MC and a girl since the second season... |
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HyperL said: Whatever, I just hate that people also call Haikyuu fujobait when there's NO sign of bait in it whatsoever... On the contrary, most of the cast just keep worshiping girls whenever they see one and there's a obvious ship between the MC and a girl since the second season... I mean....it technically IS fujobait, right? There is a good amount of fujoshis that watch Haikyuu....this is evident by the massive amount of fanart and doujins that come out that is almost exclusively yaoi in nature. I've never seen the anime, so all jokes aside, I really don't know, don't really care either... But you can't deny facts. |
JustALEX said: As pullman already said, just because there is fujoshi material of an anime doesn't make it fujoshi bait. There's fujoshi material for Erased, FMA, *insert anime with 2 male characters* yet no one calls them fujoshi bait.HyperL said: Whatever, I just hate that people also call Haikyuu fujobait when there's NO sign of bait in it whatsoever... On the contrary, most of the cast just keep worshiping girls whenever they see one and there's a obvious ship between the MC and a girl since the second season... I mean....it technically IS fujobait, right? There is a good amount of fujoshis that watch Haikyuu....this is evident by the massive amount of fanart and doujins that come out that is almost exclusively yaoi in nature. I've never seen the anime, so all jokes aside, I really don't know, don't really care either... But you can't deny facts. Haikyuu has an appealing artstyle and cute guy that make it more liked by those groups but there aren't baits in it, not for now. I never had the thought of being fujoshi bait while watching it but only heard about it online after and I still don't see why people call the show fujoshi bait. However I do see why anime like free and yuri on ice are called fujoshi bait. |
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JustALEX said: HyperL said: Whatever, I just hate that people also call Haikyuu fujobait when there's NO sign of bait in it whatsoever... On the contrary, most of the cast just keep worshiping girls whenever they see one and there's a obvious ship between the MC and a girl since the second season... I mean....it technically IS fujobait, right? There is a good amount of fujoshis that watch Haikyuu....this is evident by the massive amount of fanart and doujins that come out that is almost exclusively yaoi in nature. I've never seen the anime, so all jokes aside, I really don't know, don't really care either... But you can't deny facts. By saying that, You're basically saying that what decides if a show is fujobait or not is the amount of fujoshi fans it has... I disagree...A show doesnt NEED to be fujobait for fujoshis to be attractived to it, if there's a bunch of fujos making fanart of it, it just proves that anything is enough for them as long as it has a large male cast... |
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| Ok....let me get this straight.... The anime Haikyuu has a big fujoshi fanbase, like several other all male sports anime. How do we know they have a big fujoshi fanbase? Because there is a good amount of fanart and doujins dedicated to yaoi which is what fujoshis are all about. And yeah, I have the evidence to back this up.... https://nhentai.net/parody/haikyuu/ ^(NSFM link) Here we have a popular Doujinshi site with Haikyuu as the tag....it is overwhelmingly yaoi doujins.....probably well over 90% Yes, of course any series can have yaoi fanart and yaoi doujins....but in the case of Haikyuu it is overwhelming. Ok.....let's try this. Can somebody here properly Define "Fujobait" and why Haikyuu despite being an anime filled with a large fujoshi fanbase does not fit the definition? |
| First time that I heard something like this. Never ones I felt while watching a sport-anime that something was getting too gayest/yaoi or anything like that. I do at times sense the heavy manservice in some of this sports-anime but that's it, now yaoi? nahh. -Mastergold |
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Schlopsi said: I'm so sick of this discussion already. Seriously. Even IF, and I mean IF a sports anime shows some kind of "gayish undertone", what's the problem with that? Why does it seem so impossible to reach at least a little bit of tolerance for storytelling like that? Why is it canon, that Free! "must be yaoi" because it features a few fanservice shots (the heaviest was btw. one of totally unrelated bodies recognized by the female trainer, remember?)? Yeah, it must be hypergay, seeing all those trained bodys in their slinky swimsuits. Oh my. For real, get over it or call every ecchi you see from now on the equivalent of yuri. This onesided mentality of the discussion really sickens me. ^^^^^^ This. Most people who criticise "gay sports anime" never touch the ecchi/yuribait/moe subject. That's what irritates me. This is double standards. Otherwise I am okay with people discussing about these shows. Also shows like K-On or Hibike!Euphorium or Love Live! have more fanservice than Haikyuu!! yet no-one complains about it. lol Girls usually never complain about those shows, it's always guys when a female-audience show (or shows like Haikyuu, Kurobas etc) gets popular. Of course people have right to criticise something, but do it without contradicting yourself. |
JustALEX said: Ok....let me get this straight.... The anime Haikyuu has a big fujoshi fanbase, like several other all male sports anime. How do we know they have a big fujoshi fanbase? Because there is a good amount of fanart and doujins dedicated to yaoi which is what fujoshis are all about. And yeah, I have the evidence to back this up.... https://nhentai.net/parody/haikyuu/ ^(NSFM link) Here we have a popular Doujinshi site with Haikyuu as the tag....it is overwhelmingly yaoi doujins.....probably well over 90% Yes, of course any series can have yaoi fanart and yaoi doujins....but in the case of Haikyuu it is overwhelming. Ok.....let's try this. Can somebody here properly Define "Fujobait" and why Haikyuu despite being an anime filled with a large fujoshi fanbase does not fit the definition? I don't deny the amount of doujins or fanfictions but would you call, let's say Naruto, a fujobait show, because it's popular and it has lots of m/m doujins, artwork, fanfiction? |
| Unfortunately there aren't that much animated BL titles out there. So fujoshi move on to non-BL works and start the shipping. That's the whole cause of the problem. |
JustALEX said: Ok....let me get this straight.... The anime Haikyuu has a big fujoshi fanbase, like several other all male sports anime. How do we know they have a big fujoshi fanbase? Because there is a good amount of fanart and doujins dedicated to yaoi which is what fujoshis are all about. And yeah, I have the evidence to back this up.... https://nhentai.net/parody/haikyuu/ ^(NSFM link) Here we have a popular Doujinshi site with Haikyuu as the tag....it is overwhelmingly yaoi doujins.....probably well over 90% Yes, of course any series can have yaoi fanart and yaoi doujins....but in the case of Haikyuu it is overwhelming. Ok.....let's try this. Can somebody here properly Define "Fujobait" and why Haikyuu despite being an anime filled with a large fujoshi fanbase does not fit the definition? A fujobait , as the name says, cointain a decent number of baits...Which mean that very moments in the show will tease the fujoshis in various ways. If you want to know what show can be considered fujobait or girlpandering, from my experience, they generally have the things below: 1) Manservice: There's nothing really gay about showing a man semi naked from a certain distance, I mean, plenty of movies do that no? What can be considered manservice is when they zoom on said naked bodies and/or do stuff like slowly moving the camera from bottom to top (or the inverse), slowly showing the man's body in it's entirety... 2) The representation of friendship: Friedship between man is one of the most common and not gay things in the world. But fujobait shows slightly alter the representation of a normal friendship to make it seem like something more is going on between them, even though is not. Things like when the two guys are talking to each other in a manner that is too sweet for normal male friends (almost like they're girls or something) or when the distance between them are too close for confort (A.K.A. invading their personal space) are just some examples... 3) Art style and character design: The show's art style is not really an indicator of this kind of padering...But generally for shows that ARE pandering, both the general arts style as well as each character design are specifically chosen to make the male characters fit the title of bishonen, the type of guy that girls (or at least japanese girls) are attracted to...So this can be used as the final nail on the coffin when deciding if a show is girlbait or not... And there you go, most girlbait animes will have those three above... As for Haikyuu, it doesn't have none of those, so it is not Fujobait...The reason it has so many fujofans its because on top of its popularity (Haikyuu is very popular, so it's no wonder it gets fans of all kinds), the fujos themselves distort the friendship showed in the anime for the sake of shipping (like any heavy shipper tend to do), cuz I assure you there's no weird vibe coming from the males of the show... |
HyperLOct 8, 2016 9:06 AM
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| I have to admit that fujsohi fandom has influenced sports anime over the years but NOT every sports anime with all male cast is fujoshibait. First of all I don't understand why having a doujin makes the anime fujoshibait.Characters with no canon interaction at all also have doujins of them.I mean if an anime exists then it's doujin also exists.TRUST ME ON THIS.Even an anime like Berserk has doujins so Berserk is also fujoshibait?What I'm trying to say is doujins don't make an anime fujoshibait or something else.They are just there to satisfy the series' respective fandom (not only fujoshis) and also is a free promotion for the series but other than that doujins do not change an anime's reputation. A perfect example of a fujoshibait bait all male cast sports anime would be free.Haru and Rin staying in a hotel room for couples...That's what I can call a fujoshi fanservice moment.The ''friendship'' in that anime definitely tries to imply ''more than just friendship going on'' that is a fujoshibait sports anime. Haikyuu just does not fall into that territory I know there are a lot of friendship thingy going on but it's not in form of ''There is definitely something more than friendship.''.Not every friendship story between guys has to do with being gay grow the f*ck up. |
JGUS-Oct 8, 2016 9:28 AM
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zal said: GangsterCat said: But which are gay anime? you are the only one here feeling offended and being salty just spamming word phobic phobic doesnt mean anything, you sound really annoying like those people who keep raining trump supporter with -phobic -ist -ist buzzwords some people dont like gay stuff because they are not gay, simple, don't overthink Haikyuu? No. All out? No. Kuroko no Basket? No. Ping pong the animation? No. Hajime no ippo? No. Ashita no Joe? No. Let's add Diamond in ace? No. Baby steps? No. Prince of tennis? No. Slam dunk? No. |
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