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Feb 21, 2016 4:43 PM

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Feel bad for miyo, but kiku action is understandable as his master become curious about kiku and miyo
Feb 21, 2016 6:09 PM

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Oh boy, Heavy Drama incoming for next episodes! Hell yeah =x

Poor Miyokichi T-T
Feb 21, 2016 7:23 PM

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I don't think Kiku and Miyokichi were ever in what could actually be called a relationship. Kiku was probably thinking that he was being a gentleman by spending time with her, but I think he's grown tired of Miyokicihi's begging and advances.
Feb 21, 2016 9:38 PM

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Durarara said:
I still don't even find Miyokichi to be that likeable, I don't dislike her, but still.


Yeah I don't really see how how Miyokichi was adding to his life and she acts too clingy. I never really felt like Kiku had feelings for her, the relationship was always one sided, she kept pushing herself onto him. She's a much better fit for Sukeroku tbh. Kiku is definitely at fault for not being clear and breaking it off with her properly instead of being kind of leading her on.

Well looks like she and Sukeroku will be getting together next episode and Kiku will be pursuing his Rakugo and eventually earning the Yakumo name. I can't believe that he would kill Sukeroku though, I feel like he did something that inadvertently let to his dead.

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Feb 22, 2016 3:24 AM

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i feel bad for miyokichi, but it never seemed like kiku was really interested in her anyway. :/
Feb 22, 2016 5:58 AM

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I hate you Kiku. He is an emotionless icicle.
Poor Miyokichi. :(
Feb 22, 2016 12:49 PM
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Hannah_Ana said:
I don't think Kiku and Miyokichi were ever in what could actually be called a relationship.


Exactly, I don't know why people are blaming Kiku like he has done anything wrong.

It's Miyokichi's fault for becoming so attached.
Feb 22, 2016 6:26 PM

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Fumito said:
Hannah_Ana said:
I don't think Kiku and Miyokichi were ever in what could actually be called a relationship.


Exactly, I don't know why people are blaming Kiku like he has done anything wrong.

It's Miyokichi's fault for becoming so attached.


I agree. I liked the other girl that Kiku dated. She never forced Kiku to be in a relationship.
I don't know why but i can't trust this miyokuchi. And i hated that she tried to make kiku choose between her or his friend. That's not nice! You can't obligate people to like you. That's not how things work.
Feb 22, 2016 9:34 PM
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sun123 said:
I agree. I liked the other girl that Kiku dated. She never forced Kiku to be in a relationship.
I don't know why but i can't trust this miyokuchi. And i hated that she tried to make kiku choose between her or his friend. That's not nice! You can't obligate people to like you. That's not how things work.


You have every reason not to trust Miyokichi, it's becoming clear that she is mainly the reason why Kiku ended up becoming so stern and unhappy; also why he dislikes Konatsu (the child of Sukeroku and Miyokichi). - This was stated in Ep. 1
Feb 22, 2016 10:50 PM

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I love how so many people just auto-shipped Bon and Miyokichi together. I guess people don't remember the details in the earlier episodes. This is a flashback story that we know the result of already. The BonMiyo ship was a flaming, sinking ship that never left the port.

I also feel that his colder than usual attitude that was in this episode was because of his teacher.
1. He's worried/curious about her still.
2. Bon is going on a tour. He'll be gone for who knows how long? Seeing how he's pretty awful with women, it's not a surprise he'd go for the "I'm busy" excuse, since he'll be MIA for awhile.

Seems that next episode is what changes everything between those three?
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Feb 23, 2016 7:15 AM
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abecyo said:
I'm disgusted at much westerner's inaccurate Japanese information.
Geisha is not prostitutes or call girl.
They are entertainers, and they are trained music and dancing.


honestly thats what i thought she was when she was first introduced, i was like what. What is this Masters relationship with her ?!?!?! And wondering why she keeps going to him. Least now i dont have to make a new forum post about needing an explanation about her somewhat since there's a buncha info here

GDI all this talk about Miyokichi and Sukeroku, cant tell whether spoilers or just hypothesis =.=
Feb 24, 2016 6:09 AM
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SaberOfKurisu said:
GDI all this talk about Miyokichi and Sukeroku, cant tell whether spoilers or just hypothesis =.=


AthrunZ29 said:
I guess people don't remember the details in the earlier episodes. This is a flashback story that we know the result of already.


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Feb 24, 2016 7:11 PM

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I do kinda feel bad for Miyokichi, but Kiku kinda did this for 3 reasons.
1. He was never into her romantically in the first place, just as someone to talk to.
2. He wants to focus more on Rakugo, especially now that he has found his groove.
3. He doesn't want to get on his master's bad side, especially with him asking Kiku about his and Miyo's relationship. Kiku always cared about what the masters and higher ups thought about him, so this is no surprise.
AND we kinda already know what'll happen anyway lol. We just don't know how.
Feb 24, 2016 10:19 PM

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Seems like to me that Kiku just chose his career over Miyokichi. He was obviously interested in her to some extent, but the opportunity to travel with his master (big break) and the need to maintain good relations with him didn't work in Miyokichi's favor. He didn't want romantic attachment holding him back either.

I feel sad for her because Kiku suddenly became really cold. And I didn't even like Miyokichi that much. D:

Bracing myself for drama.
Feb 25, 2016 5:02 AM

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Mirorin said:
Seems like to me that Kiku just chose his career over Miyokichi. He was obviously interested in her to some extent, but the opportunity to travel with his master (big break) and the need to maintain good relations with him didn't work in Miyokichi's favor. He didn't want romantic attachment holding him back either.

I feel sad for her because Kiku suddenly became really cold. And I didn't even like Miyokichi that much. D:

Bracing myself for drama.


i have never seen Kiku obviously interested in miyokichi. Actually it looks like he go out with her for obligation or pity. Maybe he only see her as a friend
Feb 25, 2016 8:40 AM

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Dang, really good episode focusing on how Kiku is really growing to love rakugo ... he's even going on a tour with Yakumo instead of Sukeroku! :O I'm glad he doesn't seem jealous at all, just is encouraging him and spending the night laughing and drinking together. They are such good friends, and even them planning on doing two-man shows ... then we've got Kiku trying to take care of him and make him dress properly and stuff XD Miyokichi seems to be having the short end of the stick here because Kiku's focusing on his career instead of her ... (side note, I'm glad they at least considered the effect of crying with makeup on! :P)
I wonder what's going to happen next episode while Kiku is away - and I guess also how Miyokichi and Sukeroku get together! :O Animation looked a bit wonky at times this episode, but nevertheless was very enjoyable :)
Feb 25, 2016 1:22 PM

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That scene were Miyokichi asks Kiku to visit and cry was so sad, I was really mad at him!
Feb 25, 2016 8:22 PM

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sun123 said:


i have never seen Kiku obviously interested in miyokichi. Actually it looks like he go out with her for obligation or pity. Maybe he only see her as a friend


That would make Kiku a pretty mean person. I think he saw her as something more than a friend (slightly), but I think he didn't have a very strong romantic attachment. Or perhaps he thought he would grow to like her, but it didn't work out.
Feb 25, 2016 11:55 PM

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Kiku is getting too into rakugo
He needs to give the woman some time too, he doesn't really love her though.
But still if a woman is showing affection to you it wouldn't be good to not return a bit yourself.
Shiet. A push, now the lady is gonna be sad. Don't worry guys I won't be writing about how to treat a woman much, ain't got enough time for dat.
The music is very nice, sets the mood and atmosphere.
No Kiku don't fucking go, you got a girl who loves you man, don't fucking go on a longass journey and leave her.
Yep he's going. Now I guess that Sukeroku will get the grill.
So now he's too fucking "busy" to talk with her. Well you don't shoot someone down like that.
Lord. Now she'll wait every night but he's leaving so he's just gonna keep her hanging like that. Bro fuck off.
Even made kawaii Miyokichi cry and shit.
Kiku is just fucking drinking and bullshitting but there's a girl crying for him.
Good episode, let's see how this plays out.
3.5/5
And, I understand Kiku's actions but he can do things a lot better.
Feb 26, 2016 1:37 AM

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The bad relationship flag has been placed, I wouldn't have been surprised if they broke up before the episode ended. I feel sorry for Miyokichi :/
Wait, the prev seemed to be showing Sukeroku w/ Miyokichi....
Don't tell me Konatsu is their daughter? O_o
Feb 26, 2016 5:34 AM
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Fumito said:
SaberOfKurisu said:
GDI all this talk about Miyokichi and Sukeroku, cant tell whether spoilers or just hypothesis =.=


AthrunZ29 said:
I guess people don't remember the details in the earlier episodes. This is a flashback story that we know the result of already.


fuck the character limit


I remember this being a giant flashback, but nothing about the result (cept that the whole reason for the flashback is because the daughter thinks Kiku(hiko?) killed Miyokichi , ill rewatch the beginning eventually, my guess is that its probably ep 2+ but ill start from ep 1.
Thank yall for clarification.
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Feb 28, 2016 1:12 AM
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Really feel bad for Miyokichi. I can see her falling for Hatsu while Kiku is gone on that tour......


Yeah, this is exactly what I think is going to happen. Kiku is being so cold to her, I get that he's going to be out on tour and he doesn't want to complicate things in his life with Miyokichi but he could have explained that to her instead of acting like a jerk. Now she's going to be heartbroken and turn to the guy she always saw as her big brother... Sukeroku! Then they commit shinju and die together and Kiku ends up blaming himself... that's my prediction anyway.

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wasn't it explained that Miyokichi is kind of their Master's mistress considering he paid for all her expense back then and now recommending her to be a geisha apprentice? I could see why Bon avoiding her as of late after his Master asking how's Miyokichi doing and shrug it off as nothing immediately.

Kiku's too PC for his own good


Good point, maybe he's afraid any relations with her will mess up his relationship with their Master. He probably doesn't want to mess up any chances of him becoming a professional rakugo performer.

abecyo said:
I'm disgusted at much westerner's inaccurate Japanese information.
Geisha is not prostitutes or call girl.
They are entertainers, and they are trained music and dancing.


I'm not sure if you're trolling but this is a Japanese anime based on a Japanese manga... I don't think inaccurate Western information has anything to do with it. No one in this forum has called geisha prositutes or call girls, I don't think any of us think that either.
Feb 29, 2016 11:10 PM

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People getting their knickers in a bunch because of the way Kiku treated Miyokichi, she's not traumatized or anything. She's not the first person on earth to get turned down. I'm pretty sure, she already knew she was going to lose Kiku to rakugo.

The bond between Kiku and rakugo is so strong, the end of the world couldn't tear them apart. Also, being handsome and eloquent, Kiku would have no problem finding a future partner. I have ugly male friends who always somehow find a girlfriend, so someone who does have good looks like Kiku would have no problem finding someone else.
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Mar 1, 2016 7:33 PM

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First half wasn't all that but then it picked up. 4/5
Mar 3, 2016 8:15 AM

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Aha, I do enjoy the direction the show is headed in. Kiku treating Miyokichi like that ought to produce some interesting results, for better or worse... In that sense, the creators' attention to details is commendable, particularly the manner they portrayed the heart-broken Miyokichi in, her smeared make up was as beautiful as it was sad.

Nothing but pleasant surprises thus far.
Mar 5, 2016 5:04 AM

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Wtf Kiku made Miyokichi cry

Mar 11, 2016 9:33 AM

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I feel bad for Miyokichi but I don't think Kiku and her will work out. He's way to focused on Rakugo. It's plain as day that he loves it more than he loves her, if he even truly loves her at all.

Not sure about it. I get the feeling Miyokichi would fit better with Shin since he would take the time to make her happy. That is of course if he stops drinking and hanging out with other girls all the time.


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Mar 12, 2016 7:52 PM

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I feel bad for that girl. Kiku really should try to pay a little more attention or just let her go.
Mar 14, 2016 6:23 AM

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No wonder she's going to end up with his BFF. He was too insensitive... smh
Mar 14, 2016 6:23 AM

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Kiku is kind of an asshole tbh. HOW CAN HE TREAT SUCH A SWEET WOMAN SO MISERABLY?!



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Mar 14, 2016 4:18 PM

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One girl, two boys. One is going away and the second one likes to drink too much. I already kinda see where this is all going. Guess she will be already expecting a child when he returns.

Another great episode, I see, so Kiku is afraid to open himself up to her, he's afraid to get involved.

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I really can't help but feel like there was something in that conversation with his Master that gave him all the more reason to avoid Miyokichi.

But of course, he's taking him away partly out of jealousy. Remember it was his master who brought her with him and they had to hide themselves for a l very ong time. I guess he took what his master told him as a hint. Sukeroku, on the other hand, doesn't care for his masters much.
Mar 15, 2016 11:53 AM

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Great episode as usual, sad development.
Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM

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Welp he's leaving the others alone and one of them heartbroken.
I can already see everything tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.

brb getting into the robot alongside Shinji rn and that way we can cry about everything together
Apr 2, 2016 7:45 AM

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In the narrative of this episode, and even in the past, it has never experienced a sense of envy it true evil and proper, this is something that intrigues me a lot about this anime so far. Fully understand the events is a bit difficult, now that the company and the entertainment have changed a lot, but I think Kiku against the girl is a little too "glacial," I see a disturbing and interesting evolutions to the horizon, I'm curious.
Apr 2, 2016 1:08 PM

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Another pretty good episode, up to the next one!
Apr 8, 2016 4:02 AM

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Apr 19, 2016 2:55 PM

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Very touching episode
Apr 21, 2016 9:31 AM
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Mich666 said:
One girl, two boys. One is going away and the second one likes to drink too much. I already kinda see where this is all going. Guess she will be already expecting a child when he returns.

Another great episode, I see, so Kiku is afraid to open himself up to her, he's afraid to get involved.

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I really can't help but feel like there was something in that conversation with his Master that gave him all the more reason to avoid Miyokichi.

But of course, he's taking him away partly out of jealousy. Remember it was his master who brought her with him and they had to hide themselves for a l very ong time. I guess he took what his master told him as a hint. Sukeroku, on the other hand, doesn't care for his masters much.
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Apr 23, 2016 7:38 PM
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So Miyokichi cried since bromance tore them apart, or maybe learned Kiku's leaving on a tour. Either way Kiku's being very mean. There are less cold ways of rejecting her. Master is suspicious, unclear if he supports the relationship or not, or Miyokichi comes with extra geisha complications.
Jun 25, 2016 1:15 PM

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I know Kikuhiko is Yin/ISTJ but hell why do you have to go full Yin that you're so dense as a human? I feel bad for Miyokichi Orz

But still Miyokichi which has more Yang aura can't be paired to Sukeroku which is in contrary to Kiku, a full Yang/ENFP (Yin and Yang should be balanced afterall). So I guess, should I go fudan shippping Kiku and Sukeroku while I myself take Miyokichi? (I'm more of a Yin but not as Yin as Kiku)? huehue
Oct 18, 2016 9:49 AM
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Kiku is somewhat attracted to Miyokichi but he was never into her romantically. That was all her, but for some reason a lot of the viewers just assumed it automatically extended to Kiku feeling the same.
In the episode, he does say that he love her (well in sub anyways).

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We already saw (twice) how Kiku is when he's romantically interested in someone and he has not been that way with Miyokichi.
Kinda late but twice where?
Oct 27, 2016 8:40 AM

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Poor girl, I mean she's way too pushy at first
Then now I felt bad for her

If Kiku doesn't like her, he should be more direct
That way she won't get hurt like that... It's slow but painful
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Poor Miyokichi ;-;
She's always pushed to the sidelines, and that really sticks out this episode more than ever. If it wasn't due to the constant effort on her end, I doubt she'd ever even see Kiku at all...I'm seeing a pattern here with his relationships with women- they're dispassionate to say the least. He opened up to Miyokichi a bit, but he was never entirely comfortable with the idea. It's like he tries to go along with what they want, but it never pans out because his heart isn't in it.

He's so apathetic with the ladies, despite him being pretty popular with them...I'm honestly starting to think he's gay (and not in a fujoshi way either). I don't think it'll ever be touched upon, and I definitely don't think Sukeroku feels the same way...but I really do think Kiku is attracted to him whether he knows it or not. Sukeroku is the only person who can get an honest to god emotional reaction out of the man; he's the one Kiku is always watching.

Sukeroku has what Miyokichi wants, and it makes me so sad for her.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if she sleeps with him out of spite. I wouldn't even blame her!
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Man this is why Kiku is still single at the age of over 50.

This is why women should not just fall for a pretty face and expect something good to come out of that.

I feel like Kiku has just been using Miyokichi. He knows her interest in him but still he accept her advances, he allows her to become invested in their 'relationship' and offer encouragement and help him. He never had any intention to reciprocate! I'm starting to hate Kiku's character.
Dec 23, 2016 5:02 AM

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Miyo may have been the master's mistress but he already gave approval to introduce her to Bon as a nice girl.

I think Bon's upbringing as a reject child of a prostitute and being raised with geishas has made him subconsciously dislike flirty open women. But that's my opinion. That's why he's not interested in women like Miyo as a long term item in the least. His first girlfriend was more of an experiment (typical Bon) but he praised her for being heartwarming and honest.

And yep I knew it, women was going to come between the bros. Rakugo is steeped in tradition and culture, the trope of women (sexist lol) destroying relationship is a perfect pairing to throw into the show.
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Dec 31, 2016 5:23 PM

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Kiku, you should choose the girl. She is awesome. ;)
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Not sure what people are getting their panties in a bunch over, there. Kiku's never been into Miyo to begin with (dude has had a problem connecting with women for a while, now), it's just that he never actively pushed her away, which admittedly isn't exactly the smartest thing not to do when the person is hopelessly in love with you. Miyo just kept throwing herself at him despite being fully aware of that because she was head-over-heels for a nigga, only to realise that as she feared, she truly was the third wheel in Kiku and Shin's bromantic friendship. And that's not even mentionning all the other shit Bon had on his mind atm: his career; his pursuit of his own rakugo; his own contradictory and possibly unrequited feelings for Shin; the fact that Miyo was already supposed to be his Master's mistress, which only contributed to make things more awkward between them etc.

I do feel bad for Miyo because it always hurts to love someone from the bottom of your heart when that someone doesn't love you back (or at least doesn't feel nearly as strongly for you as you do for them), but whatever she does in the future to get between the boys is 100% on her.

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trinitytiger said:
Kiku is somewhat attracted to Miyokichi but he was never into her romantically. That was all her, but for some reason a lot of the viewers just assumed it automatically extended to Kiku feeling the same.
In the episode, he does say that he love her (well in sub anyways).
Correct me if I'm wrong but he was only reciting some rakugo lines. That doesn't necessarily mean he was referring to Miyo, or anyone else in particular (we'll probably never know). EDIT: welp, looks like episode 8 answered the question. The rakugo Bon is reciting is probably a reference to his love for Miyo (the girl) vs his love for rakugo (the beautiful woman). Looks like he chose the beautiful woman, in the end.
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The tears of a Geisha, is impossible to refuse a her invitation, although Kikou do it because his has a hard heart ; _ ;
Mar 14, 2017 3:26 PM

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You people don't understand.
His master didn't ask him about Miyokichi for nothing. He let him know that he is aware of the fact they're seeing each other. Earlier we were shown that it was a secret relationship. Also keep in mind that everything Miyokichi has was also provided by the master. So now Kiku has to avoid Miyokichi. Because his master gave him everything after he was abandoned. And now he even takes him for a tour. He can't be ungrateful to him and he doesn't want to
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Man, that part with Sukeroku saying he can't have it becoming a dream again...
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