What do you think of the anime community? What do you hate/like about it?

Feb 19, 2016 1:26 AM

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TheCodeTrigger said:
Dub haters because they think every dub besides Cwboy Bebop is trash.
But there other good dubs like Code Geass, Ouran, Toradora, N.H.K, Gurren Lagann, FMAB and Durarara for example.

Anime Elitists
The praise the living hell of LOGH, Kaiba, The Tatami Galaxy while bashing amazing shows like Fate Series, Code Geass R1/R2, Toradora, Clannad, Evangelion (some of them) Madoka Magica and Raildex series.
Also most of the elitist on MAL are just ThatAnimeSnob followers.

Besides those two main issues I found the anime community to be fine for now.

NGE? What are you talking about? NGE is well liked in the anime community

Unless you're referring to the Rebuilds

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Nagirah said:
This thread is filled with so much salt it's unbelievable. Especially the sub/dub arguments, americans and native english speakers got so many problems it's sad. As a person who grew up reading subs and learned to speak english through this, I can say I dislike dubs from not just anime, but all the media possible.

So you're so close minded in the belief that all dubs are bad and can never be better than the predecessor despite you probably not watching every dub created or 'many' dubs due to this attitude displayed?

Stop this stereotyping and don't say you dislike dubs in all forms of media despite not giving any reason. I don't care for preference but this is just dumb.

Because she'd rather watch the original version

Not exactly a hard concept to grasp

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Feb 19, 2016 1:31 AM

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Comic_Sans said:

TheCodeTrigger said:
Dub haters because they think every dub besides Cwboy Bebop is trash.
But there other good dubs like Code Geass, Ouran, Toradora, N.H.K, Gurren Lagann, FMAB and Durarara for example.

Anime Elitists
The praise the living hell of LOGH, Kaiba, The Tatami Galaxy while bashing amazing shows like Fate Series, Code Geass R1/R2, Toradora, Clannad, Evangelion (some of them) Madoka Magica and Raildex series.
Also most of the elitist on MAL are just ThatAnimeSnob followers.

Besides those two main issues I found the anime community to be fine for now.

NGE? What are you talking about? NGE is well liked in the anime community

Unless you're referring to the Rebuilds

JkayW said:

So you're so close minded in the belief that all dubs are bad and can never be better than the predecessor despite you probably not watching every dub created or 'many' dubs due to this attitude displayed?

Stop this stereotyping and don't say you dislike dubs in all forms of media despite not giving any reason. I don't care for preference but this is just dumb.

Because she'd rather watch the original version

Not exactly a hard concept to grasp

What is there to grasp? The concept of not liking something because I don't like it?

The fuck? Give me a reason.

Feb 19, 2016 1:37 AM

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JkayW said:
What is there to grasp? The concept of not liking something because I don't like it?

The fuck? Give me a reason.

What do you mean by "Give me a reason"? I have already explained her reason: she wants to experience any kind of media in their original form

I don't see what's so hard to understand

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Feb 19, 2016 1:38 AM

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Everyone has their own opinion, but I think we all should try to keep an open-mind. Like not bash each other for having different opinions. Or bash each other for having an opinion in general.

Feb 19, 2016 1:42 AM

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Comic_Sans said:

JkayW said:
What is there to grasp? The concept of not liking something because I don't like it?

The fuck? Give me a reason.

What do you mean by "Give me a reason"? I have already explained her reason: she wants to experience any kind of media in their original form

I don't see what's so hard to understand

Because??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Feb 19, 2016 1:45 AM

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JkayW said:

Comic_Sans said:

What do you mean by "Give me a reason"? I have already explained her reason: she wants to experience any kind of media in their original form

I don't see what's so hard to understand

Because??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

You haven't grown up in a sub only country, have you?

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Feb 19, 2016 1:47 AM

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Comic_Sans said:

JkayW said:

Because??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

You haven't grown up in a sub only country, have you?

Answer questions with more questions. Only ___ KIDSZZZ WILELLE GET DIXZ - is what it sounds like.

Just explain please.

Feb 19, 2016 1:49 AM

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JkayW said:

You haven't grown up in a sub only country, have you?

Answer questions with more questions. Only ___ KIDSZZZ WILELLE GET DIXZ - is what it sounds like.

Just explain please.

I'm not trying to ridicule you

I will explain it to you if you answer my question

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Feb 19, 2016 1:52 AM

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#1 Reason- SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously! And theres also those "Indirect" spoilers where they say the line ----> "I think this will happen".

#2 Reason - OPINIONS!!!!!! Sometimes people can't handle opinions. Like if they hate the show they want everyone to hate it as well. And if they love the show they want everyone to like it as well.

My Ranking of the WORST Fanbase I am into:
1. KPOP
2. Gaming
3. Anime

But I guess there will be certain forums/people where those 2 reasons doesn't happen.

Feb 19, 2016 1:52 AM

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JkayW said:

Answer questions with more questions. Only ___ KIDSZZZ WILELLE GET DIXZ - is what it sounds like.

Just explain please.

I'm not trying to ridicule you

I will explain it to you if you answer my question

I didn't grow up in a "sub only country".

Feb 19, 2016 1:56 AM

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JkayW said:

Comic_Sans said:

I'm not trying to ridicule you

I will explain it to you if you answer my question

I didn't grow up in a "sub only country".

Okay

Here in Scandinavia and in the Netherlands, Slovenia and a few other countries only kids watch dubs

We prefer watching things subbed and value the original version no matter if it's a live action movie/TV series or a cartoon – e.g. here in Sweden we would never watch the Simpsons dubbed in Swedish

It's thanks to that that we in general are better at languages than the Spanish or the Germans

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Feb 19, 2016 2:16 AM

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JkayW said:

I didn't grow up in a "sub only country".

Okay

Here in Scandinavia and in the Netherlands, Slovenia and a few other countries only kids watch dubs

We prefer watching things subbed and value the original version no matter if it's a live action movie/TV series or a cartoon – e.g. here in Sweden we would never watch the Simpsons dubbed in Swedish

It's thanks to that that we in general are better at languages than the Spanish or the Germans

So, you dislike all dubs in general and stereotype them to being all bad despite all the effort & talent put into them, due to you growing up in a "sub country".

What..

Feb 19, 2016 2:19 AM

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JkayW said:
So, you dislike all dubs in general and stereotype them to being all bad despite all the effort & talent put into them, due to you growing up in a "sub country".

What..

You're completely missing the point

All of us don't believe all dubs have bad voice acting

We just don't want to watch them

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Feb 19, 2016 2:26 AM

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Talking about dubs...

I watched various anime dubbed as a kid...Sailor Moon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokémon, and Card captor Sakura just to name a few...

And I remember really liking them...as dubs!

Then when I grew up, I saw them subbed and it was like black and white.

I think the dubs work better for kids.

There ARE a few dubs I enjoyed as an adult...

Hell, I watched ALL of Cowboy Bebop dubbed and enjoyed it very much.

Death Note dub was also OK.

Feb 19, 2016 2:30 AM

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JkayW said:

So you're so close minded in the belief that all dubs are bad and can never be better than the predecessor despite you probably not watching every dub created or 'many' dubs due to this attitude displayed?

Stop this stereotyping and don't say you dislike dubs in all forms of media despite not giving any reason. I don't care for preference but this is just dumb.

I'm not necessarily calling them 'bad', I just say I dislike them. I enjoy hearing different languages and learning simple phrases and words from them. Why would I just turn every series ever I watch into my native language? That sounds more close minded to me, because some people can't deal with languages that aren't their own.

There's also the fact that the original form is most of the time the best option. The people who were creating the series have better understanding of it than people at dubbing companies so the voice actors they choose tend to be better and more fitting for the characters. I'm not saying this is always the case, but it is for majority of the time at least.

Dubs also tend to change lines, words and even entire jokes just to appeal to their audience. I honestly don't want that. Ever heard of the Prison School dub Gamergate incident? Yeah, I'll rather keep the original dialogue the author wanted me to hear.

I remember doing some comparing of the dubs from my little pony few years back just, because I was interested. Now before all the mlp haters get mad, I'm only using this as an example.I think from all the dubs I listened to, only three or four besides the original english were good. The finnish dub was absolute torture to listen to, I couldn't deal with Raindow Dash's voice even for a minute, that's how horrifying it was.

Now was this answer long enough to satisfy you or am I still some close minded dumb person?

+1. Although I am not into this whole vs thing, I will add something. (this will be long though lol)

First let's look at performances in English. If your native language is something else, think about that instead. I'm going to define two types of English here: natural English and theatrical English. The former is what you get when you're talking with other people. It's generally full of weird issues with grammar as your thoughts change mid-sentence, it's very fast, full of nondescript vowels and slurred consonants, and you emphasize things only as absolutely necessary. This kind of English appears nowhere outside of real life speech, not even in English writing--listen to someone talk and you know instantly whether they're talking to someone else or reading something aloud.
On the other hand, there's theatrical English. It's more emotional, dictated, and deliberate--not something anyone in real life would ever use, but the difference is subtle enough that it doesn't feel "off" to listeners given their expectations. Hollywood actors are particularly good at performing theatrical English, using it to instill larger-than-life emotion in anyone watching their movies.

This is where the general problem with dubs happens. Japanese and English are very grammatically and culturally dissimilar, but you have to take a theatrical performance in Japanese and transform it into English--where all the timings and rhythms of speech and interaction are completely fixed, by the original language. This is hard. Extremely hard. Your best bet in pulling it off is to localize the show at a very coarse granularity: completely change how conversations go, have characters say things they straight up never said in the original language (but which you can be reasonably sure they would say), totally reorder and reorganize a scene into something that fits an English speaking audience's idea of theatrical speech. And the whole time there's the looming spectre of "This was clearly not originally an English production--how much do we want to give that away?" The answer to that question is very much on a case-by-case basis: how much is the Japanese origin important? In a fantasy show like Fullmetal Alchemist you can hide it almost entirely, but in a game like Persona 4 where "being in modern Japan" is like 80% of the point, you can't and certainly don't even want to. And you have to localize accordingly.

The problem with devoting so much to the mechanical presentation of the material is that you necessarily change the literary presentation of the material. If you take enough liberties in localization, you create large gaps in understanding and impression between the original audience and the one you're localizing for. So you try to minimize that risk as much as possible, and strike a balance between adapting the content for your native language and culture, and providing an impression sufficiently fitting the expression of the original work.

Now look at yourself as an English speaker watching something in Japanese. You have no idea what natural, or theatrical, Japanese sounds like. But you do know that the majority of the English voice localizations you've heard sounded very awkward--because of the inherent competition in presentations I mentioned above. And let's face it, anime is niche and its acting talent pool is far less skilled than Hollywood's; Crispin Freeman definitely ain't Morgan Freeman. So the English sounds awkward to you; it damages your immersion. You come in, with expectations unconsciously set by TV and film, and the English dub invariably can't match those expectations. It's awkward and annoying and takes you out of the experience.

So you listen to it in Japanese. You have no idea what's being said--but you also have no idea what it's supposed to sound like. Natural or theatrical, you don't have any expectations for what Japanese should sound like. Not only have we averted the localization problem by going to the original source, any differences in acting skill disappear when you don't have anything to measure against. Do Japanese voice actors sound awkward to a normal Japanese person? I haven't the faintest idea--which is basically the point. (As an aside, I'd guess "anime Japanese" is very different from live action "theatrical Japanese" and, to the average person, sounds more juvenile and harder to take seriously)

Sure, reading the subtitles is weird. Not understanding the language is also kind of awkward. But it doesn't sound bad, just foreign. There's no damage to the immersion. Watching a dub is like watching some mix of Japanese and English culture--and it takes a lot of talent to pull that off. It certainly has been done; Cowboy Bebop and Baccano! are two common examples. Of course, their very Western style lends itself well to English localization, which is good! Then there's Yu Yu Hakusho, older but still regarded as being a fantastic dub, which did a great job toeing the line (see for example the utter brilliance that was giving this guy an Irish accent).
But watching something in Japanese with subtitles feels more like you're watching the original presentation--run through a filter to let you understand it in English. Everything the original audience experienced is there, but there is, literally, an extra layer of text on top of it to let you understand it. All the jarring mixing between the cultures that dubs inevitably have to contend with goes away. As a nice bonus, you really can't tell just how awkward the acting sounds--as long as it doesn't sound horrendously flat (which is pretty universally a marker of bad acting), you're none the wiser.

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Feb 19, 2016 2:38 AM

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Comic_Sans said:

JkayW said:
So, you dislike all dubs in general and stereotype them to being all bad despite all the effort & talent put into them, due to you growing up in a "sub country".

What..

You're completely missing the point

All of us don't believe all dubs have bad voice acting

We just don't want to watch them

But you say you say you want to experience it in the original form despite not giving any solid reason as to why you want to see it in the original form.

Saying because I grew up in a sub country doesn't explain the reason any better.

You do say dubs shouldn't be in any media, which implies because they're bad, because you +1'd his fucking post.

Feb 19, 2016 2:45 AM

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JkayW said:
But you say you say you want to experience it in the original form despite not giving any solid reason as to why you want to see it in the original form.

Why is "wanting to experience it in its original form" not an argument? We simply want to watch the original instead of watching a "remixed" version, that's it. Why do I have to repeat myself over and over again?

Saying because I grew up in a sub country doesn't explain the reason any better.

What do you think people in sub countries prefer, subs or dubs?

That's right: subs

Once again, not a hard concept to understand

You do say dubs shouldn't be in any media, which implies because they're bad, because you +1'd his fucking post.

Nagirah never said that so stop putting the cart before the horse

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Feb 19, 2016 2:48 AM

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JkayW said:
Inb4: I hate when people talk about what they hate.

Hi gals and guys from MAL. I started watching anime in March of 2015 and I saw the anime community on the outside as a bunch of twelve year olds fighting over cartoons, I didn't really think much of anime back then though. So 11 months now.

I just want to list four things I hate about the community. You don't have to read this, you can just post. Although I'd like if you read my post. Hopefully it doesn't go to the length of a blog. I'm not saying there can't be good anime fans by the way. I've met tons of great people IRL and in MAL that AREN'T LIKE THIS.

I personally think the anime community is one of the cancerous fanbases on the planet for four reasons.

1. Selective morals
"Don't judge me for liking anime" "Anyone who doesn't like anime is an idiot" shut up. Please. If you don't want people to judge you for the things you like then don't judge them, someone may like Justin Beiber and think you are weird for liking anime or vice-versa, but you need to realize that you are passing judgement on people when you do that and being hypocritical. I hate seeing it and it happens far too often, especially in the anime community.

2. OH MY GOD YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS ITS LIKE THE GREATEST THING EVER!!!
When fanboys go and overhype the show they love so much what they don't know is they are actually a cancer to their own series. They are giving pre expectations about a show we may or may not like it and making it so we may not enjoy an anime to its fullest extent.

3. Dub haters.
These are the anime purists who feel the anime is at its most pure when it is only watched in the subbed version. Some of these dub haters believe that Japanese is the most beautiful language in the world and will bash an anime if it is in a different language, even if it is the language they speak. Stop stereotyping and actually try it out. I don't care for preference but it starts getting bad when you say the following reasons.

-English dubs have a small cast of voice actors
-English ruins the "feel" of the show
-English is a horribly ugly language compared to Japanese.
-English dubs censor and butcher jokes from the Japanese versions
-English dubs are for weeaboos who know nothing about anime and Japan.
-Characters have no emotions when they talk
-ALL English dubs "just suck"

4. Using the word weeaboo as slang for anime fan.
I think of this as when black people use the word nigga as a form of communication when it is used as a form of insult which is just fucking retarded.
It's insulting to black people because it can signify that you are undeserving of a birth-given name, simply because your skin is dark. Weeaboos are people that try and be Japanese and dismiss their own culture calling themselves Japanese, not anime fans.
Stop using this shit as slang for anime fans or else you just destroy the definition. Like that time when Oxford changed the definition of "literally" to now be used sarcastically. If anything use Otaku if you're by definition "people with obsessive interests, commonly the anime and manga fandom."

Overall most of them think they're opinion is fact and have bad communication skills whilst constantly chucking swears and insults.

Let me know your thoughts!

Edit: Since people seem to actually care about my opinion, I guess I'll shit on the community some more. I only picked some specifics that aren't brought up much to feel a bit different, but you know, I guess I'll say some more "common" issues. I added some gifs that prove this behaviour occurs and or for a laugh!

5. Good and bad taste in anime. Trying to apply objectivity in subjectivity.
Just... What? Is this a joke? Stop applying objectivity to this. Taste means a person's liking for particular flavours. So when saying anime TASTE it just means preferences and things you like. Of course there is objective writing flaws like plot holes and character inconsistencies but at the end of the day, there is no definite answer for this, there are no facts to show what is good or bad. People can enjoy quote "garbage". That's why MAL's top 100 anime is not in the exact order you'd like. People like what they like. You aren't better than someone else for not liking different shows like LOTGH which are supposedly good. You just need to argue as to why you like it. But this won't be proven fact. For example "Omg, you like ___ anime, you have great taste". Stop adding objectivity. It's your opinion. If anything the people that don't like the shows you, for example "SAO" might be more honest with themselves. If they enjoy it who cares. This medium is for enjoyment. If they enjoy Highschool DXD, let them be. They aren't hurting people. Also, stop judging shows you haven't seen like Naruto, Bleach, One piece. It's just ignorant.

6. Judging people who don't like anime.
Oh my god, I've seen this so much at my school you wouldn't even be able to fathom the amount of this garbage I've seen. They act as if not liking anime is a personal offence to them. Like, if someone says "Ehh, I don't really like it that much" then they would tell them they don't understand, they're ignorant, they're being mean to them blah blah. I'm sorry there is a difference between stereotyping and judging people who just have a hobby and just not liking it. Jesus, you make us look like we're part of a cult trying to recruit people. Not everyone will like what you like. That's just life. Sure you can introduce them to it, but if they still don't like it, too bad. Just don't make a fuss over it. It isn't the best "thing" ever. And if you think it is, that is just your opinion. Don't get bitchy about it. Have you seen the internet on images on this? Oh my.... It scares me for the future generations to come.

7. The source doesn't "fix" the problems with the anime.
Okay.... I'm getting saltly boys.... Get ready. You have been WARNED.

I'm calling some fate fans out as well so you'll know who you are if you did this. For all intensive purposes I've read most of Nasu's works. Complaining when people have problems with the anime, don't like the adaptation of your favourite ____, calling them cancerous and telling them to read the source. This isn't the source material, this is the anime. Stop acting as if being a secondary is a bad thing, it isn't. It just means someone doesn't have more useless anime knowledge as you. Why don't you shut up and actually accept there are issues with it. Nothing is perfect. Don't go and praise the source just because the anime was bad. "soy good, such masterpiss" Please, UBW was an above average VN route and the anime handled it horribly, relying on fight scene animation whilst trying to turn the show into a shounen cliche instead of what it was suppose to be. It's an encylopedia of a game. You wont ever be happy. Instead of yelling "Omg, I hate these secondaries, read the source" Why don't you actually answer his/her concerns and or agree with him because ___ probably brings up some valid points about the anime. The anime isn't the source and the source isn't the anime, understand that. We are talking about the anime here. Look at them as two separate works.

But yes, there will be places were the manga will be better, but I'm saying that doesn't excuse the problems in the anime.

It's incredibly ironic that you're the one who made this thread, as you actually stand for quite a bit of what I hate about the community. For your points:

1. The vast majority of people who dislike anime have never even attempted to watch it. People are allowed to be frustrated with their ignorance.

2. That's almost entirely your fault. You do not acknowledge that your own taste is different from others' and then blame your hindered experience on them. I can't agree with this.

3. The japanese voice acting, being 'professional' and intended to fit the show the best they can much more frequently than the dubs, deserve to be acknowledged as better in most cases. The reasons you listed are each either viable or something I've never encountered. 'Weaboo׳ is a term I've seen used more often as derogatory for those who prefer subs, and I just haven't seen anyone ever say subs are better than dubs "because english is an ugly language". Then again, if that's an actual belief that facilitates someone's preference of subs, I don't see a reason to judge them for it.

4. I completely agree.

5. Those actually aren't "objective writing flaws," just things the vast majority of people can't appreciate as good storytelling to the point where any positive value they might have for the minority isn't worth arguing about. I agree that people should stop being ignorant, and should stop criticizing others' preferences -- at least if they aren't going to explain exactly what they think is wrong with them, to establish a discussion.

6. I've never seen the extremities you described happen on MAL. As long as people aren't being ignorant themselves, they're free to criticize the ignorance of others. As I said before, people who dislike anime are almost exclusively people who have never given it any real chance, and there's nothing wrong with complaining about this. Sure, if someone genuinely tried to like the medium and failed it's very silly to call them out for it, but that is very rarely the case.

7. I don't think anyone expects the source to fix the issues in the anime. People usually bring up the source when others criticize the source's author for the faults of the anime which is ignorant and close minded -- this is why people say they hate secondaries. Otherwise, the source is recommended as a better version of the story. I've never seen anyone use the source as a way of justifying an anime's wrongdoings, so I'd appreciate it if you could give me an example of this (as with every other case where I'd never seen what you complain about).

Your claim that UBW was only above average makes me wonder if you actually understood it, but that's a different subject.

It's funny that you constantly tell people to stop being hypocritical, stop stereotyping, stop telling people there are issues with their preferences and stop churning out swears and insults when I see you do the same things throughout the forums. People who think their opinion is absolute and refuse to participate in a discussion that doesn't follow their own personal rules are hard to deal with.

For example, in the "what makes a good shounen arc" thread that was created a while ago, you were constantly belittling Hunter x Hunter's Chimera Ant arc while refusing to listen to others' points about it. When people disproved your arguments, you turned to ad hominem, saying that they're blind fanboys who will defend their favorite show in every possible case and want to suck Togashi's sweaty nutsack. Thinking about this makes replying to you all the more ridiculous.

This example also contains three of my issues with the community: The aforementioned reliance on ad hominem during "discussion," undermining depth and close-mindedness, which ties in to a fourth issue I have with it: People trying to dislike everything rather than trying to like it all.

So many MAL users make idiotic remarks and when proven wrong, resort to ad hominem as if it somehow makes their point correct. They use it because they were never willing to discuss said point and only presented it as some sort of infallible fact, never thinking about it long enough to actually understand the arguments against it.
In a thread about whether or not disliking the main character can ruin an anime for you, Skullprox or whatever the fuck his name was did exactly this when Evildragon complained that he never tried to understand the character he's complaining about.

Both examples are a result of close-mindedness, an inability to accept new ideas or points of view and insistence to obstinately stick to what is known, and ignorance. These are two of my three biggest issues with the community and they're reflected in a myriad of ways. I can't list all of them since there are so many, but they include attacking a source or a writer for the adaptation, both examples I gave above, talking shit about other mediums, talking shit about demographics, talking shit about 2deep4u shows and shows in general, complaining about certain characters and this is just scratching the surface. If people actually tried to accept others' opinions and try to have a DISCUSSION like you're supposed to on a goddamn forum, it would make browsing this place much more interesting.

Undermining attempts at telling a 'deep' story by making fun of it the way you did for Chimera Ant can also be quite frustrating. Just because the script wasn't written by Shakespeare doesn't mean it can't have any kind of depth. I cannot express just how infuriating this notion is, and I can't do much beyond pointing this out. What would depth even mean if its something only classic literature is allowed to have? I made a thread about this before (which I need to get back to but really can't find the time to read all the replies in), so I'll stop here.

My third biggest issue and the last I'll talk about in this post is that a huge part of the community actively looks for reasons to dislike what they watch/read instead of reasons to like it. It's like talking shit about a show is more satisfying than appreciating it, and is quite frustrating. If you'd actually tried to listen to what people had to say about the Chimera Ant arc from the example above and tried to understand their train of thought, your input would've been infinitely more interesting than it actually was, not to mention that you would've appreciated the show itself a lot more and probably enjoyed it a lot more if you were to watch it again. In general, if you'd actually tried to enjoy the arc you might've ended up coming to the same conclusions as them and enjoying it a whole of a lot more.

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Rinth said:
Every opinion is not equal. Some opinions are simply made out of shit.

nasuverse > your favorite anime

Feb 19, 2016 2:49 AM

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JkayW said:

Nagirah said:
This thread is filled with so much salt it's unbelievable. Especially the sub/dub arguments, americans and native english speakers got so many problems it's sad. As a person who grew up reading subs and learned to speak english through this, I can say I dislike dubs from not just anime, but all the media possible.

So you're so close minded in the belief that all dubs are bad and can never be better than the predecessor despite you probably not watching every dub created or 'many' dubs due to this attitude displayed?

Stop this stereotyping and don't say you dislike dubs in all forms of media despite not giving any reason. I don't care for preference but this is just dumb.

Nagirah said:
I'm not necessarily calling them 'bad', I just say I dislike them. I enjoy hearing different languages and learning simple phrases and words from them. Why would I just turn every series ever I watch into my native language? That sounds more close minded to me, because some people can't deal with languages that aren't their own.

So dubs are not all bad, but you don't want them on any form of media. Selective much?

Nagirah said:
There's also the fact that the original form is most of the time the best option. The people who were creating the series have better understanding of it than people at dubbing companies so the voice actors they choose tend to be better and more fitting for the characters. I'm not saying this is always the case, but it is for majority of the time at least.

There is no fact in subjective preference you idiot. Stop trying to act like subs are objectively better.

Dubs can be better than the predecessor, you even stated in the next couple of paragraphs that they can. My god.

Nagirah said:
Dubs also tend to change lines, words and even entire jokes just to appeal to their audience. I honestly don't want that. Ever heard of the Prison School dub Gamergate incident? Yeah, I'll rather keep the original dialogue the author wanted me to hear.

"TEND" That's the key word. Not all dubs, which you're stereotyping.

Nagirah said:
I remember doing some comparing of the dubs from my little pony few years back just, because I was interested. Now before all the mlp haters get mad, I'm only using this as an example.I think from all the dubs I listened to, only three or four besides the original english were good. The finnish dub was absolute torture to listen to, I couldn't deal with Raindow Dash's voice even for a minute, that's how horrifying it was.

So now you're contradicting yourself saying dubs can be good. But before you said you think there should be no types of dubs in any form of media and thinking that it's fact that subs are better...

Nagirah said:
Now was this answer long enough to satisfy you or am I still some close minded dumb person?

No, not really. You're still giving half-assed excuses, close minded, walking in circles and contradicting yourself.

Feb 19, 2016 2:55 AM

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