| The fucking feels, man. A shounen arc is nothing without evoking some sort of emotional reaction out of the reader/watcher. |
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| When it's not really a Shounen anymore, but a Seinen filled in the boots of a Shounen. And no better example for this other than the legendary Chimera Ant Arc. |
| >Chimera Ant Arc >Good Top keks mate. What makes a good shounen arc is good writing and a solid audio & visual presentation. Oh and no asspulls, monologues, narration and recaps. |
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| From the shonen series arc I liked so far, there are some similiarities Story : 1. Big mission to prevent big destruction, many main and supporting character have their own contribution with some good battle in different places. 2. Unexpected plot twist 3. Dig into humanity deepest psychological, how far can human being do evil thing Character : 1. Extreme character development that make them different person from their first impression 2. Extreme relationship between character, extreme friendship, love, loyalty, etc. That can make one character ready to sacrified themself to the others. |
HiatusXHiatusJan 21, 2016 10:40 PM
| Likable Characters Suspense Cool factor Great fight scenes touching emotional moments |
| Everything HxH will make it good 30chars |
Nagirah said: JkayW said: >Chimera Ant Arc >Good Top keks mate. What makes a good shounen arc is good writing and a solid audio & visual presentation. Oh and no asspulls, monologues, narration and recaps. I haven't see HxH, but why do half the people I see say that the Chimera Ant arc is amazing and other half say it's shit? This is really confusing me. Fanboys: Chimera Ant Arc is such a deep retrospective of human nature and shows all the flaws in humanity. I want to suck Togashi's sweaty nutsack now. Fans: It was good until Gon's ideology went 180 whilst he did the biggest asspull in anime history along with the long unneeded, useless, pointless narration, monologues & dialogue that took up half of each episode. I mean, they could have had 2x as less episodes in the latter half of the arc but it was filled with so much bullshit. Oh and an anticlimactic ending. Wasted potential. |
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| For hunter x hunter I wasn't really a fan of the chimera ant arc. However I absolutely loved the Yorknew city arc. So basically for me I liked The phantom troupe more than any of the other villians in that show. But for me a good shounen arc has a lot of character develeopment (such as buildup or breakdown of themselves), good action scences, and adds to the overall story. |
 "I wish I was sober to feel the pain So many dark days I can’t explain" -----  -----My Sigs MAL Interview |
| A good shounen arc is an arc where all the elements of what makes a shounen is executed well. You know, the theme of overcoming adversity etc. etc... It also has to grip the audiences well. The type to take you at the edge of your seat and excited every episode. A primary example: Dark Tournament arc of Yu Yu Hakusho |
| Hxh chimera ant arc circlejerk posts incoming. I will take my leave. |
| Chimera Ant Arc of HxH - best anime arc ever. CapitalistGod said: Not this "depending on the execution" again...A good shounen arc is an arc where all the elements of what makes a shounen is executed well. ---- Marineford Arc of One Piece was also very good, but I don't think it can reach the Chimera Ant Arc, imo. |
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keimaconquesta said: Not this "depending on the execution" again... What I meant about the execution when it comes to this topic is 1. If the theme is explored well through what had transpired in that particular arc. The theme of every shounen is overcoming adversity so if there's some battle between an overpowered villain/s against our underdog protagonists 2. If there's an engaging overpowered villain for our protagonists to overcome. (Like the TAguro brothers and their team in the Dark Tournament Arc) 3. If the character developed because of said event in the arc(and because it is a shounen, if he becomes stronger if you must) that is carried on the next arc. |
| First , it was "It's all subjective". And now it's "It depends on the Execution". WHERE CAN I RUN OFF TO ? Holybaptiser said: ^ He says it all. The thrills and reactions are the life of Shounen.The fucking feels, man. A shounen arc is nothing without evoking some sort of emotional reaction out of the reader/watcher. |
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JkayW said: Nagirah said: I haven't see HxH, but why do half the people I see say that the Chimera Ant arc is amazing and other half say it's shit? This is really confusing me. Fanboys: Chimera Ant Arc is such a deep retrospective of human nature and shows all the flaws in humanity. I want to suck Togashi's sweaty nutsack now. Fans: It was good until Gon's ideology went 180 whilst he did the biggest asspull in anime history along with the long unneeded, useless, pointless narration, monologues & dialogue that took up half of each episode. I mean, they could have had 2x as less episodes in the latter half of the arc but it was filled with so much bullshit. Oh and an anticlimactic ending. Wasted potential. How nice of you to cast assumptions regarding the Chimera ant arc and put it firmly into two camps. It's not like (all) fans of the show can draw conclusions from both sides of the argument of whether it is good or not. I can see the reasoning why some might love this arc while others aren't that impressed with it (although i personally really like it). |
OnTheShoreJan 21, 2016 10:45 PM
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Nagirah said: JkayW said: >Chimera Ant Arc >Good Top keks mate. What makes a good shounen arc is good writing and a solid audio & visual presentation. Oh and no asspulls, monologues, narration and recaps. I haven't see HxH, but why do half the people I see say that the Chimera Ant arc is amazing and other half say it's shit? This is really confusing me. Watch it then (Shut up 30 character) |
| Also, keep in mind that the target audience of a shounen anime is 12 to something year old boys ... just keep this in mind. |
JkayW said: You said this perfectly. Also don't forget how mereum is the best antagonist ever and had the best development anyone's ever seen! Also how kite survivedNagirah said: I haven't see HxH, but why do half the people I see say that the Chimera Ant arc is amazing and other half say it's shit? This is really confusing me. Fanboys: Chimera Ant Arc is such a deep retrospective of human nature and shows all the flaws in humanity. I want to suck Togashi's sweaty nutsack now. Fans: It was good until Gon's ideology went 180 whilst he did the biggest asspull in anime history along with the long unneeded, useless, pointless narration, monologues & dialogue that took up half of each episode. I mean, they could have had 2x as less episodes in the latter half of the arc but it was filled with so much bullshit. Oh and an anticlimactic ending. Wasted potential. |
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Angstyfrankie said: JkayW said: You said this perfectly. Also don't forget how mereum is the best antagonist ever and had the best development anyone's ever seen! Also how kite survivedFanboys: Chimera Ant Arc is such a deep retrospective of human nature and shows all the flaws in humanity. I want to suck Togashi's sweaty nutsack now. Fans: It was good until Gon's ideology went 180 whilst he did the biggest asspull in anime history along with the long unneeded, useless, pointless narration, monologues & dialogue that took up half of each episode. I mean, they could have had 2x as less episodes in the latter half of the arc but it was filled with so much bullshit. Oh and an anticlimactic ending. Wasted potential. Oh yeah that's right according to Ging-sama Kite's alive! OHH AND WHAT ABOUT KILLUA'S DEUS EX MACHINA WISH FULFILMENT SISTER! Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Tbh, I wanted development on Leorio and Kurapika more than the yaoi brothers Gon and Killua, especially Leorio. God he's so fucking awesome. |
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OnTheShore said: JkayW said: Fanboys: Chimera Ant Arc is such a deep retrospective of human nature and shows all the flaws in humanity. I want to suck Togashi's sweaty nutsack now. Fans: It was good until Gon's ideology went 180 whilst he did the biggest asspull in anime history along with the long unneeded, useless, pointless narration, monologues & dialogue that took up half of each episode. I mean, they could have had 2x as less episodes in the latter half of the arc but it was filled with so much bullshit. Oh and an anticlimactic ending. Wasted potential. How nice of you to cast assumptions regarding the Chimera ant arc and put it firmly into two camps. It's not like (all) fans of the show can draw conclusions from both sides of the argument of whether it is good or not. Ignore her, people opinion didn't change anything. |
HiatusXHiatus said: OnTheShore said: How nice of you to cast assumptions regarding the Chimera ant arc and put it firmly into two camps. It's not like (all) fans of the show can draw conclusions from both sides of the argument of whether it is good or not. Ignore her, people opinion didn't change anything. You understand I'm generalising as a joke? |
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JkayW said: I hate how togashi always has that one comic relief type charachter that is awesome but he simply keeps them as that. And I almost forgot about her. If any other series pulled that people would call it trash and never stop bringing it upAngstyfrankie said: You said this perfectly. Also don't forget how mereum is the best antagonist ever and had the best development anyone's ever seen! Also how kite survived Oh yeah that's right according to Ging-sama Kite's alive! OHH AND WHAT ABOUT KILLUA'S DEUS EX MACHINA WISH FULFILMENT SISTER! Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Tbh, I wanted development on Leorio and Kurapika more than the yaoi brothers Gon and Killua, especially Leorio. God he's so fucking awesome. |
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JkayW said: Angstyfrankie said: You said this perfectly. Also don't forget how mereum is the best antagonist ever and had the best development anyone's ever seen! Also how kite survived Oh yeah that's right according to Ging-sama Kite's alive! OHH AND WHAT ABOUT KILLUA'S DEUS EX MACHINA WISH FULFILMENT SISTER! Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Tbh, I wanted development on Leorio and Kurapika more than the yaoi brothers Gon and Killua, especially Leorio. God he's so fucking awesome. Yeah I really liked Leorio unfortunately he from what I've seen is so useless couldn't even get through the hunter exams without being carried the whole way. |
| It is how it brings all the elements of great storytelling together. The conflict is of utmost importance. Does it demand the viewer's attention? That means that the scale must set it apart from the average arc. The conflict can be personal which tends to draw stronger emotions, or it could involve a case that appears to be hopeless. How the events that unfold bear significance for the plot must also be highlighted. That being said, the antagonist also plays an important role. The threat they pose to our protagonists, their abilities, appearances and significance in comparison to others and of course how they are eventually taken down. The emotions that it ignites in the viewers also affect the impact. The greater the variety offered, the more each piece comes together to make a better whole. It must have some of the saddest or heartwrenching moments of the series, and it could also have some of the funniest, tensest and most satisfying. The characters, including the secondary ones should have their part to play. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| The answer to your question is presented in the last 7 episodes of Gintama. |
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| what im wondering is what the basis is of putting the shogun assassination arc on par with the other ones listed to me its just the normal cliche shoehorn Gintoki arc |
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omfgplzstop said: Was it explained or foreshadowed? Nope. Take bleach for ex. Some (nubskulls) try to say ichigos vasto lorde form is an asspull but it was clearly foreshadowed. Yes nen is complex but we never got any indication of gons resolve it him "making a contract" with his nen. It's like he said hey he used nen to get strong ok?Angstyfrankie said: I hate how togashi always has that one comic relief type charachter that is awesome but he simply keeps them as that. And I almost forgot about her. If any other series pulled that people would call it trash and never stop bringing it up >said that perfectly no Being selfish doesn't mean you don't care about anyone else in the slightest, especially when it's someone who influenced and meant as much as Kite did to Gon. His ideology arguably didn't even change since Kite was important to him personally, what are you talking about? Calling it an asspull makes it hard to take you seriously given how well-defined Nen is and how, as a result, this is one of the best ways this type of was used in a shounen. makes sense given how we were never told what kind of effect that result of the roulette had. Leorio and Kurapika not getting as much development is Togashi's fault FOR NOT CONTINUING THE STORY and being such a lazy asshole, not for writing it poorly. I'd argue about the narration, dialogue (lmao are you really complaining about this) and monologues and the importance of the majority of them, but I don't have time and it'd take a lot of it so eh. Maybe later. Again it was never implied or foreshadowed kite could be alive. And him living what does that do for gons charachter? I think he's honestly just (besides his back bieng horrible) stuck or bored of the series. And in glad we agree on alluka. |
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StefanHere said: what im wondering is what the basis is of putting the shogun assassination arc on par with the other ones listed to me its just the normal cliche shoehorn Gintoki arc I personally love it because of how it uses the flashbacks in between each fight to invoke emotions while adding to the characters of the major characters. Not to mention I absolutely love Takasugi because of how he is presented in this particular arc, that also makes him a nice villain for me. |
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Angstyfrankie said: omfgplzstop said: Was it explained or foreshadowed? Nope. Take bleach for ex. Some (nubskulls) try to say ichigos vasto lorde form is an asspull but it was clearly foreshadowed. Yes nen is complex but we never got any indication of gons resolve it him "making a contract" with his nen. It's like he said hey he used nen to get strong ok?>said that perfectly no Being selfish doesn't mean you don't care about anyone else in the slightest, especially when it's someone who influenced and meant as much as Kite did to Gon. His ideology arguably didn't even change since Kite was important to him personally, what are you talking about? Calling it an asspull makes it hard to take you seriously given how well-defined Nen is and how, as a result, this is one of the best ways this type of was used in a shounen. makes sense given how we were never told what kind of effect that result of the roulette had. Leorio and Kurapika not getting as much development is Togashi's fault FOR NOT CONTINUING THE STORY and being such a lazy asshole, not for writing it poorly. I'd argue about the narration, dialogue (lmao are you really complaining about this) and monologues and the importance of the majority of them, but I don't have time and it'd take a lot of it so eh. Maybe later. Again it was never implied or foreshadowed kite could be alive. And him living what does that do for gons charachter? I think he's honestly just (besides his back bieng horrible) stuck or bored of the series. And in glad we agree on alluka. Please, he's just upset that we have issues with his favourite arc. He won't change his mindset on anything we present. Leave him, because it will be a waste of time. |
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| A common thread that runs through the best shounen arcs is that they maintain focus on some really morally ambiguous ideas and have intricate storytelling. Chimera Ant has a shit ton of symbolism and motifs and double meanings, and it focuses on the idea that evolution is inherently a dark, compassionless process. Yoshiwara on the other hand looks at the idea of how ambitions can become distorted and power can be abused by those who were indoctrinated into taking things by force. Steel Ball Run is an incredible from a character motivation and psychology standpoint and it takes tons of different angles. |
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| Anything that isn't like JoJo. Full of cliches, bs and a bad written villain. (it's not even a shounen and yet still so bad) |
| @jkayw you're more than likely right my friend |
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| The same things that make an arc good in general. Shounen is just a demographic. |
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Snappynator said: StefanHere said: what im wondering is what the basis is of putting the shogun assassination arc on par with the other ones listed to me its just the normal cliche shoehorn Gintoki arc I personally love it because of how it uses the flashbacks in between each fight to invoke emotions while adding to the characters of the major characters. Not to mention I absolutely love Takasugi because of how he is presented in this particular arc, that also makes him a nice villain for me. unless some major fights go on next week and that Takasugi vs Gintoki is all we get it was very underwhelming as their past has been teased at for ages now and all we get is some halfassed stalemate with a 3rd party intervention i didn't even remember existed and forget the whole part that Katsura wasn't even included Now if Kagura vs Kamui was taken seriously then i'd maybe say it was different from the regular "serious" Gintama arc |
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| All these people with their stories and their chimera ant and their chatacter development. First and foremost, a shounen arc needs a tournament. Getting the chance to see every important character in combat is a glorious occasion. Secondly, it needs an antagonist, and a good one. I'm talking Darth Sidious, Shougo Makishima, Griffith type shit. And you better believe they're going to deliver some epic speeches. Once you have the most important bits out of the way you can use this opportunity to intorduce characters with great design, and they will almost certainly be crashing your tournament. Oh, and I suppose we can develop some characters. |
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| No flashbacks. No flashbacks. No flashbacks. |
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| Good shonen arcs? That's really hard to say... each shonen has a arc that's viewed as 'good/great/masterpiece' by some and it's hated by others (nothing new tbh). I guess it would be like this (for me): -One Piece's Marineford Arc (since it doesn't follow the usual OP formula); -Yorknew City from Hunter x Hunter; -Bleach's Soul Society (when Bleach was still good for me); -Gintama's Goodbye Shinsengumi Arc (tho not animated, it is better than the Shogun Assassination arc). Other shonen series like Magi, Naruto, Fairy Tail etc have good/decent arcs, so like a honorable mention Tower of Heaven Arc from Fairy Tail, Naruto's Chunin Exam Arc, Magi's Balbadd Arc & Magnostadt Arc (tho they f*cked up the Magnostadt arc in the anime, I really liked in the manga). |
| When it is seinen in in disguise. 30char |
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strider_91 said: JkayW said: Fanboys: Chimera Ant Arc is such a deep retrospective of human nature and shows all the flaws in humanity. I want to suck Togashi's sweaty nutsack now. Fans: It was good until Gon's ideology went 180 whilst he did the biggest asspull in anime history along with the long unneeded, useless, pointless narration, monologues & dialogue that took up half of each episode. I mean, they could have had 2x as less episodes in the latter half of the arc but it was filled with so much bullshit. Oh and an anticlimactic ending. Wasted potential. You shouldn't have kept hxh in your favs tbh. ;) Many people don't like those monologues that's true, but complaining abt anticlimactic ending is really laughable. Just because I can point out prominent flaws in a series doesn't mean I can't put it in my favourites, no outsiders judge what my favourite x is. It's an opinion, why imply it's fact that it wasn't anticlimactic or care about someone else's feelings towards an ending. |
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JkayW said: strider_91 said: You shouldn't have kept hxh in your favs tbh. ;) Many people don't like those monologues that's true, but complaining abt anticlimactic ending is really laughable. Just because I can point out prominent flaws in a series doesn't mean I can't put it in my favourites, no outsiders judge what my favourite x is. It's an opinion, why imply it's fact that it wasn't anticlimactic or care about someone else's feelings towards an ending. Acknowledging the flaws of a series you like is not a bad thing, seriously fanboys are just being stupid over shit like "You said X character sucks, X arc you didn't like blah blah, then why do you have it in your favorites?", that's dumb. For example I like Fairy Tail, do I think it's flawless... hell no, is it the best? Probably not, but I have my reason why I enjoy it, same goes for other series like One Piece (I have a lot of problems with One Piece, despite that I still liked, but I don't think it's a masterpiece like many suggest), Vinland Saga (have some problems with some stuff here too, but God do I love it) etc. |
| Death, otherwise you get shit like Fairytail which doesn't make any fucking sense. |
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