Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri 2nd Season Episode 2 Discussion

MegaShadowFist said:


Interesting discussion point. I think that you're looking at this a bit too...logically though. The point of this wasn't to be heroic or inspiring. It just was. They weren't pulling any punches. And the scene was shot in such a way to make it seem more like a slaughter-fest than a heroic deed. In fact, at the very end of the scene, the king mentioned just how destructive the attitude that the JSDF has can be.

If the other-worlder's should be free of blame for acting too "medieval" than I believe that the JSDF should be free of blame for being too "modern." However, in this case, neither should be free of blame. Was Itami right for issuing an order to fire at will on soldiers and having one of his troops beat a prince senseless in the throne room? With a nation that Japan is supposed to making peace with no less? Of course not. And the anime was very aware of that, even mentioning that under normal circumstances, he would be in a lot of trouble.

But, is the prince free of blame simply because he is ignorant to how things work outside of his own? Well, that's a discussion point for a different thread. In any case, I personally don't think that he's undeserving of a beating for his actions. In real life, the monarchy of many nations during the middle ages was very corrupt. But I doubt that they were considered "just" even for their standards. They knew what they were doing was wrong. They just didn't care, and did what they wanted simply because they could. The prince falls into that same category. I think to assume that things like this was "ok" simply because that's how things were back then sort of denies the humanity of the people of that age, if that makes sense.

AllenUchiha said:
So the bunny girl is an official M? She protected the Prince who bangs, slaps and beats her?

eslej said:


Like you said, whoever has the power make the rules. They wanted to know about the kidnapped japaneses. Prince refuses to answer risking the consequences. Doesn`t matter if slavery is ok in their world, neither JSDF nor the goverment needs to give a shit what it is ok to them. When facing an overwhelming power, you comply with their demands or die.

Milk_is_Special said:
I call that masochism, good ol' masochism.

Milk_is_Special said:
I call that masochism, good ol' masochism.

OrangeJP said:
Piece of shit got what he deserved

GenesisAria said:


If even a highly trained soldier of today went to fight a feudal era warrior without use of firearms, they may even be at a disadvantage due to how martial arts lost their edge due to modern obsolescence. The modern martial arts are often revived arts, as opposed to surviving martial arts from the past. So in the real world that isn't full of mooks and glory to the producer/consumer's nation, Kuribayashi would be overwhelmed by a couple guards in melee combat.

greed2 said:
The anime was able to compensate, to a degree, by providing good fight scenes.

PukingMachines said:
don't know if someone has already mentioned it, but the anime is based on the light novel, the manga added the gore and shit after the source material was already finished

GenesisAria said:
One fallacy in this anime: even in medieval times, sword arts were serious business. None of this swashbuckling nonsense movies tend to show off. There were many sophisticated and masterful weapons and styles throughout the world. The ones everyone's most familiar with are just like your M16's . . they're standard issue military arms good for mass production, not high performance specialized gear. But when you look outside of what was whipped together for the swarm warfare, anything besides when they marched the armies, there was a lot more interesting things happening.

If even a highly trained soldier of today went to fight a feudal era warrior without use of firearms, they may even be at a disadvantage due to how martial arts lost their edge due to modern obsolescence. The modern martial arts are often revived arts, as opposed to surviving martial arts from the past. So in the real world that isn't full of mooks and glory to the producer/consumer's nation, Kuribayashi would be overwhelmed by a couple guards in melee combat.

They really should all just be yelling "NIPPON BONZAI!"(long live japan) Cuz this anime is overglorifying japan lol.

Protip: any of that LARPy combat stuff you see isn't realistic either, cuz none of them know proper form or how to actually aim for kills.

Madara22 said:
. But c'mon they make it seem like Japan is the strongest country beyond The Gate which pisses me off

vansonbee said:
Haha. Japanese talking talking about taking good care of their prisoners. Cough (WWII never happened).

Rei366 said:

Thank you, I suggested this earlier but I have no real knowledge of the original.

I tried elsewhere without success, so: does anyone read the novels? is there a translation? does an english version of the "non-edited" web-novels exist?

greed2 said:
really? Hard to say; true, most martial arts have deteriorated, in terms of strength where martial arts is mainly used as a form of discipline or to provide basic self-defense, and the only "real" martial artists would be the Shaolin Monks. Of course, military training is no joke, and Kuribayashi likely has lots of experience in terms of combat. At best, Zorzal and his thugs know pankration; however, they are likely the type that focus mainly on pure strength as compared to martial art skill.

Sparktrog said:
You're not thinking about how combat oriented soldiers are trained in a modern setting. While I won't say their training for their solders wasn't rigorous in the Era of swords and shields and spears, our soldiers today are no joke either. And in fact, martial training was a symbol of status as well. Most soldiers got a basic "swing at your enemies and stab them with the pointy end" in terms of training since most were likely conscripts while the elite few were privileged to train under different masters. As well, they show in the show how she empties multiple rounds into people in an off scene of many spent magazines around her, but since this is an animation and needs to be somewhat flashy to keep your attention, they focus more on the hand to hand combat that she is very good at.

greed2 said:
Along with that, in the manga, the Emperor’s face was supposed to have a “what the f*ck have I done declaring war against Japan” after seeing the machine gun; sadly they edit that out. Not to mention people, in the Empire, are supposed to panic by saying the bombing, and the earthquake, was all divine punishment.

(sigh) And, in the manga, Pina’s speech was supposed to be more profound while the anime didn’t get to reach that same magnitude. Come on animators, Pina is a good heroine, make her speak like one.

straggy said:
I feel like you're joking about this but some Japanese people genuinely do believe the rest of the world is lying about WWII, Japan is perfect, and that any media that acts like this isn't the case is slanderous bs. Anime that portrays Japan's role in WWII as anything like the truth often gets complaints. It's like those people that say the holocaust didn't happen all over again.

GenesisAria said:
Japan fought valiantly in WWII. From their perspective they were righteous.

GenesisAria said:
USA over-villainizes it's enemies and glorifies itself (even if it didn't do much). It's just what they do. Pretty much everyone except american citizens know this.

GenesisAria said:
(brits+canadians&russians won ww2 not usa;

GenesisAria said:
usa caused the problems in the middle east; the list can go on)

Takuan_Soho said:
Not quite, most Japanese know that they went too far. But yes, they still have a great deal of pride in their country.

Takuan_Soho said:
True, however you are underestimating how the rest of the world does it worst.

Takuan_Soho said:
Not true. Without massive US aid the Soviets would have lost. And second to Hitler, Stalin deserves the blame for starting the war - so the USSR deserves no credit for helping to "end" it. The UK and USA won the war.

Takuan_Soho said:
Again not true. The vast majority of problems in the Middle East are caused by Middle Easterners. The French and British also did their damage in the between war period. The US certainly did not help, but in assigning blame they are pretty far down the list.