mayukachan said: romagia said: cant tell if ironic shitpost or not I was being half sarcastic. I really dislike it when people don't give shows like SSY a chance because it seems slow or boring. It's just shows they have a low attention span and intellect level. Well, I dropped SSY early on because it looked too grimdark, and looked like it'll become even grimdarker. D-I-O said: I actually don't care one bit what they are watching I just want people to experience in my opinion better things just for their own good. They just turn down my suggestions because they don't like the name, art or they didn't like the first episode, that just annoys me because they are acting ignorant. 1 episode is enough to evaluate an anime unless it switches genre midway. Art is a perfectly good reason not to watch an anime unless it has some redeeming qualities (and sports anime can have no redeeming qualities, just like IRL sports). I agree that judging an anime by its name is a bad idea, though. |
flannan said: 1 episode is enough to evaluate an anime unless it switches genre midway. Art is a perfectly good reason not to watch an anime unless it has some redeeming qualities (and sports anime can have no redeeming qualities, just like IRL sports). I agree that judging an anime by its name is a bad idea, though. I would say that 20% of anime is the time you can judge. If an anime has 24 episodes then I will usually watch 5 episodes before dropping, because it can change a lot. Art could be a valid reason for dropping but I REALLY rarely dislike the art, I'm pretty tolerant towards this aspect. I would never drop something that has an amazing story just because the art is not to my liking. |
| My friend has similar taste to mine (read: good taste) and I only recommend the cream of the crop to him so he knows to trust me. He also values content over visuals and doesn't require the cookie-cutter anime look to give something a chance and discern its quality. Otherwise I wouldn't bother with recs in the first place. |
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kyomi-san245 said: mayukachan said: He has a right to believe that his taste is superior. And the examples he listed are shows that can appeal to any audience and are easy to get into. They rely on being entertaining rather than trying to teach morals or prove a literary message. Hey he can believe if his so called taste is superior if he wants ,but that doesn't mean he should look down on people who like stuff that he doesn't like. There is a difference between stating a fact & an opinion. For instance I think SAO is a mediocre show ,but I know that's just my personal opinion and I won't look down on other people for liking it. SAO being mediocre is not an opinion. People finding it enjoyable or saying it's the worst thing ever despite it just being mediocre is an opinion. |
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Sosunser said: My friend has similar taste to mine (read: good taste) and I only recommend the cream of the crop to him so he knows to trust me. He also values content over visuals and doesn't require the cookie-cutter anime look to give something a chance and discern its quality. Otherwise I wouldn't bother with recs in the first place. How are visuals not part of the content? Why are you watching a visual medium then? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Sosunser said: My friend has similar taste to mine (read: good taste) and I only recommend the cream of the crop to him so he knows to trust me. He also values content over visuals and doesn't require the cookie-cutter anime look to give something a chance and discern its quality. Otherwise I wouldn't bother with recs in the first place. How are visuals not part of the content? Why are you watching a visual medium then? Visuals are part of the presentation. Obviously I meant content as in writing, the stuff that actually happens that wouldn't change even if you changed the artstyle completely, not as in 'the content that appears when I play the file'. Why are you watching a story-telling medium if the visuals are the most important thing? You could just go to a museum and observe pieces of art. See how stupid questions like that are? I'm tired of the same old 'it's a visual medium so it's totally reasonably to be superficial and hate on anything that looks different from the norm' pseudo arguments. It's also a story-telling medium, where characters act out events and stuff happens. It doesn't strike me as odd to value that part of the medium just as much or even more since I doubt anyone would have fun just watching contextless scenes that look gorgeous, at least not for long. The fact that I have to explain this over and over again whenever I dare bring up that bashing/avoiding a series because it looks visually different baffles me, I always found it to be self-evident. And before you elaborate on your argument, be aware that valuing one over the other doesn't mean not valuing the other at all. I watch anime because I love animation in particular and storytelling in general. Having nice visuals or superb animation is definitely something I value and always a great bonus for my enjoyment, but it's not the main motivation for me to start a series that will consume hours or even days of my time, visuals alone can't carry a show for that long if I don't also like the content. Also I could watch eyecandy with less effort if that's what I was looking for. If your main motivation to watch anime (a medium notorious for its extensive use of budget animation, mouthflaps and stills) is to see visual prowess without caring for content, then you're not being very efficient in reaching that goal. So yeah, as usual I'm not sure where the 'Why are you watching a visual medium then?' argument is supposed to go. |
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Tylaen said: I ask them nicely. If that fails, I tend to tell them they have shit taste, nicely. |
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Sosunser said: My friend has similar taste to mine (read: good taste) and I only recommend the cream of the crop to him so he knows to trust me. That sounds more like dog training than anything else, but I guess it's not my problem... Sosunser said: Visuals are part of the presentation. Obviously I meant content as in writing, the stuff that actually happens that wouldn't change even if you changed the artstyle completely, not as in 'the content that appears when I play the file'. I don't agree. Visuals are just as much a part of storytelling in anime, as "stuff that actually happens is". Visuals need to match the plot and plot need to match the visuals in order for anime to be truly great. You can't expect that if you change great anime's artwork into something completely different it will be just as great, because it won't. But if you tell me, here and now, that you would like Cowboy Bebop (I checked your favourites) just as much if it had the visuals of... let's say Ninja Slayer From or even better Stickman The Animation, then I'll take everything I said back and apologise. Sosunser said: See how stupid questions like that are? I'm tired of the same old 'it's a visual medium so it's totally reasonably to be superficial and hate on anything that looks different from the norm' pseudo arguments. It's also a story-telling medium, where characters act out events and stuff happens. It doesn't strike me as odd to value that part of the medium just as much or even more since I doubt anyone would have fun just watching contextless scenes that look gorgeous, at least not for long. The fact that I have to explain this over and over again whenever I dare bring up that bashing/avoiding a series because it looks visually different baffles me, I always found it to be self-evident. It's a visual story-telling medium. If you're looking for a purely story-telling medium I can suggest you some great books (yes, some people still read books), if you want. But in anime the art DOES matter. People might have different tastes that is one thing. Secondly the visuals might not match the anime's plot, and that simply feel unsettling and ridiculous. And lastly there is also the difference between "different from the norm" and "crap", because there are some anime out there that look so bad visually that I bet authors took 5 minutes to draw them on the napkin in the cafe, and no matter how great their plot were, I would never be able to call them "great". Sosunser said: And you seem to care only about the 'content', which is just as pointless. I think both art and 'content' matters.If your main motivation to watch anime (a medium notorious for its extensive use of budget animation, mouthflaps and stills) is to see visual prowess without caring for content, then you're not being very efficient in reaching that goal. |
| >quality anime topkek |
| Hold him at gunpoint. Sometimes people are simply not ready for certain works. I'll admit it took me years to finally open my heart to Mushishi's brilliance. For now, find something that works for him and let him gradually take his own journey. |
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| You don't. Just tell them about your favorite animes they'll either watch em or wont watch em |
| I don't. But if my friend tells me that SnK/HxH/SAO are the best anime ever created and that SnK made the whole invasion of monsters vs humans popular or that SAO started the whole virtual gaming reality show, I would shake my head in disappointment and tell them that they are retarded as fuck. |
If my friend don't watch anime I recommend? It just Chinese cartoon. Stop making a big fuss out of it. Btw, you said he told you to recommend him 'entertaining' anime. Can you ask him and be specific on what he mean by 'entertaining'. Maybe that's what you've been missing. Anime quality is subjective. If he like Fate Zero, he might like Mirai Nikki. http://myanimelist.net/anime/10087/Fate_Zero/userrecs |
ZapredonOct 29, 2015 8:41 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Araneae said: Sosunser said: My friend has similar taste to mine (read: good taste) and I only recommend the cream of the crop to him so he knows to trust me. That sounds more like dog training than anything else, but I guess it's not my problem... Sosunser said: Visuals are part of the presentation. Obviously I meant content as in writing, the stuff that actually happens that wouldn't change even if you changed the artstyle completely, not as in 'the content that appears when I play the file'. I don't agree. Visuals are just as much a part of storytelling in anime, as "stuff that actually happens is". Visuals need to match the plot and plot need to match the visuals in order for anime to be truly great. You can't expect that if you change great anime's artwork into something completely different it will be just as great, because it won't. But if you tell me, here and now, that you would like Cowboy Bebop (I checked your favourites) just as much if it had the visuals of... let's say Ninja Slayer From or even better Stickman The Animation, then I'll take everything I said back and apologise. Sosunser said: See how stupid questions like that are? I'm tired of the same old 'it's a visual medium so it's totally reasonably to be superficial and hate on anything that looks different from the norm' pseudo arguments. It's also a story-telling medium, where characters act out events and stuff happens. It doesn't strike me as odd to value that part of the medium just as much or even more since I doubt anyone would have fun just watching contextless scenes that look gorgeous, at least not for long. The fact that I have to explain this over and over again whenever I dare bring up that bashing/avoiding a series because it looks visually different baffles me, I always found it to be self-evident. It's a visual story-telling medium. If you're looking for a purely story-telling medium I can suggest you some great books (yes, some people still read books), if you want. But in anime the art DOES matter. People might have different tastes that is one thing. Secondly the visuals might not match the anime's plot, and that simply feel unsettling and ridiculous. And lastly there is also the difference between "different from the norm" and "crap", because there are some anime out there that look so bad visually that I bet authors took 5 minutes to draw them on the napkin in the cafe, and no matter how great their plot were, I would never be able to call them "great". Sosunser said: And you seem to care only about the 'content', which is just as pointless. I think both art and 'content' matters.If your main motivation to watch anime (a medium notorious for its extensive use of budget animation, mouthflaps and stills) is to see visual prowess without caring for content, then you're not being very efficient in reaching that goal. so if visuals as important as content anyne should be shitting they wasted a ton of budget on one of the worst contents ever but if visuals are so important it is just a mediocre anime the content is the basics any show should get right and that shoulb be first and most important thing you analise in a show if the script is awful no way the visual presentation can save a show that is why they are not as important |
| I don't. it's always my friend who succeed to convinced me to watch "quality" anime. |
| I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. |
| Simple you DON'T! And let them watch whatever the fuck they want to watch. Who are you to determine what they should do? Ignorant! Well, you can just talk to them and recommend some series to pick up, and hopefully they take your advice c: |
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| Dude honestly I can't. My friends have ligit the worst taste ever. My buddy watched evangelion and just tells me it was the shitties show ever and he needs to watch something better ASAP to make himself feel better. He then goes on to watch chaos head and says its way better. Ligit any show that is regarded as good they don't like. We have complete oposite tastes. 3 people I know dropped gurran lagann? Wtf? I only know one person irl who doesn't shit on mecha for no reason, in fact someone I know said he didnt want to watch ghost in the shell because it has mecha?????? Same think with Gankutsou, they didnt want to watch it because they read the synopsis and they said it sounded too sci-fi. I also know many people who can't watch anything if it was made before 2010 because the art is "terrible" Ligit guy dropped code geass and toradora (I personally don't call those amazing shows) because the shows were too old, and had "very shitty" art. Then the process to watch slice of life moe bullshit everyday and fucking jack off to lolis. I also know someone who said he doesn't want to watch anything but seasonal shows, because they are the best anime has to offer apparently. All of them dropped taitami galaxy because it was talking too fast at the beggining and the art was "bullshit" same with ping pong the animation, they all said art was trash and show just looked like shit. Yeah that whole rant on my friends was super fucking unorganized, but I can't get over their taste in anime. I actually made an account on MaL just because I wanted to talak to people about anime who actually had similar/good taste. The best part about my friends is they hate it when I try and look at a show critaically, and they cannot take critisism from their show or they just flip out, and tell me to stfu even though I'm just trying to have a normally debate on shows to them. I no longer talk to my friends about anime because they piss me the fuck off, they will never change only get worse. So to answer ur question, no I cannot convince my friends to watch quality anime. Fuck my irl friends taste in anime. Nothing I said was over exaggerating btw I'm dead serious. |
| Brace yourself. Soon as LotGH 2017 comes out. The anime community is going to become so cancerous you will need to take cover and hide. |
| Can't see why I should do that. |
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| Oh boy, nobody in real life ever takes my recommendations. Everyone I know has very shallow knowledge of anime most only knowing 1 or 2 while some only watch the generic ones that are popular. After awhile, I just quit recommending them anime because it felt like I have to shove it down their throats before they listen and ultimately just try 1 ep and never again. I learned to just recommend to people who actually want my recommendation. |
| All I'm reading is this. "My friend got shit taste cause he likes shows that aren't mainstream and like shows that not everyone nor myself likes." Goes on to say every show but which they like are shit. Yeah pretty convincing there. |
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elementkg said: I'm reading it more as "My friend got shit taste cause he likes shows that are mainstream and refuses to like muh intellectualzz shows". :PAll I'm reading is this. "My friend got shit taste cause he likes shows that aren't mainstream and like shows that not everyone nor myself likes." Goes on to say every show but which they like are shit. Yeah pretty convincing there. Really though, I don't care if my friends have so called "good" or "bad" taste. I'll still recommend them anime I like and if they like it, then cool we have something to discuss and fangirl over. If not, then we can discuss what made it good/bad or just move on. It's not my goal to force my opinions down my friend's throats. |
| I'd show them an AMV of your favorite show. That is always quite convincing for me. When I witness AMV contests at cons, there's always something that makes me say "Wow, I need to see that". Don't force it though, if it doesn't work. Forcing things on people can make them hate it. |
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| The best way is by starting offering shows that may not be that much well writeen but are a lot entertaining like kill la kill and gurren lagan and slowly star to offer than better shows like hunter x hunter and fate zero.in the end he will be watching sel with you |
gabrielrroiz said: The best way is by starting offering shows that may not be that much well writeen but are a lot entertaining like kill la kill and gurren lagan and slowly star to offer than better shows like hunter x hunter and fate zero.in the end he will be watching sel with you Fate/Zero and HxH are mainstream shows that are entertaining. |
| I'm confused... the topic is ' how do you convince your friend to watch quality anime' yet your making him watch Mushishi :/ |
mayukachan said: gabrielrroiz said: The best way is by starting offering shows that may not be that much well writeen but are a lot entertaining like kill la kill and gurren lagan and slowly star to offer than better shows like hunter x hunter and fate zero.in the end he will be watching sel with you Fate/Zero and HxH are mainstream shows that are entertaining. exactly and they also have good themes that is why the second step to make they watch quality anime is by making they watch shows like those |
gabrielrroiz said: The best way is by starting offering shows that may not be that much well writeen but are a lot entertaining like kill la kill and gurren lagan and slowly star to offer than better shows like hunter x hunter and fate zero.in the end he will be watching sel with you Replace fate/zero with FMA:B for me. I know a lot of people who gives up watching F/Z because season 1 especially the first episode is full of talking apparently. In my opinion FMA:B is the perfect Gateway anime to new fans since you get the full experience and probably the best title the anime shonen genre can offer |
royaldocks said: gabrielrroiz said: The best way is by starting offering shows that may not be that much well writeen but are a lot entertaining like kill la kill and gurren lagan and slowly star to offer than better shows like hunter x hunter and fate zero.in the end he will be watching sel with you Replace fate/zero with FMA:B for me. I know a lot of people who gives up watching F/Z because season 1 especially the first episode is full of talking apparently. In my opinion FMA:B is the perfect Gateway anime to new fans since you get the full experience and probably the best title the anime shonen genre can offer it is actually better that way |
| They still look down on anime as cartoons, so they can't handle slower paced/ non action anime. |
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Araneae said: Sosunser said: My friend has similar taste to mine (read: good taste) and I only recommend the cream of the crop to him so he knows to trust me. That sounds more like dog training than anything else, but I guess it's not my problem... Sosunser said: Visuals are part of the presentation. Obviously I meant content as in writing, the stuff that actually happens that wouldn't change even if you changed the artstyle completely, not as in 'the content that appears when I play the file'. I don't agree. Visuals are just as much a part of storytelling in anime, as "stuff that actually happens is". Visuals need to match the plot and plot need to match the visuals in order for anime to be truly great. You can't expect that if you change great anime's artwork into something completely different it will be just as great, because it won't. But if you tell me, here and now, that you would like Cowboy Bebop (I checked your favourites) just as much if it had the visuals of... let's say Ninja Slayer From or even better Stickman The Animation, then I'll take everything I said back and apologise. Sosunser said: See how stupid questions like that are? I'm tired of the same old 'it's a visual medium so it's totally reasonably to be superficial and hate on anything that looks different from the norm' pseudo arguments. It's also a story-telling medium, where characters act out events and stuff happens. It doesn't strike me as odd to value that part of the medium just as much or even more since I doubt anyone would have fun just watching contextless scenes that look gorgeous, at least not for long. The fact that I have to explain this over and over again whenever I dare bring up that bashing/avoiding a series because it looks visually different baffles me, I always found it to be self-evident. It's a visual story-telling medium. If you're looking for a purely story-telling medium I can suggest you some great books (yes, some people still read books), if you want. But in anime the art DOES matter. People might have different tastes that is one thing. Secondly the visuals might not match the anime's plot, and that simply feel unsettling and ridiculous. And lastly there is also the difference between "different from the norm" and "crap", because there are some anime out there that look so bad visually that I bet authors took 5 minutes to draw them on the napkin in the cafe, and no matter how great their plot were, I would never be able to call them "great". Sosunser said: And you seem to care only about the 'content', which is just as pointless. I think both art and 'content' matters.If your main motivation to watch anime (a medium notorious for its extensive use of budget animation, mouthflaps and stills) is to see visual prowess without caring for content, then you're not being very efficient in reaching that goal. It's amazing how you can read and reply to my whole post without understanding anything I said. One might be inclined to think that you're misrepresenting everything I said on purpose. Especially since you specifically didn't quote some parts of my post that directly contradict what you implied about my position. Topkek, mate. Not gonna bother replying because nothing that you said I said, I actually said. |
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| my friends dont watch anime |
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| I don't really care what he likes. Sometimes I suggest something and If he doesn't want to watch it for whatever reasons. Its fine with me. Why make such a big deal out of it? |
_fm_ said: hmm...? i think that bubble is a good non-autistic way to talk about anime irlheres an idea dont talk about anime irl. theres no way to talk about anime irl that wont make you sound like an autistic neckbeard. second of all you cant expect the uneducated masses to appreciate art. leave them to love their sao. another thing is normies in general are highly defensive of what they like so its very hard for them to break out of their sao/attackontitan bubble because they tend to have some kind of social complex about changing their mind and being open to new things. if you ever question their taste or criticise their anime they will take it basically as fighting words. tl;dr normies are unstable. for people who say taste is subjective all i can say to that is it isnt and agree to disagree. |
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| Learn first what he likes. Anything that he likes is good for him. |
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| Not, most times I just recommend series, that they might like (I know which genres they like). shintai88 said: I don't unless they ask. And this, but most just check out my list, derp. |
| If they have shit taste, it won't change because I recommend them to watch my favorites or the ones I consider masterpieces. It always ends up on 'I didn't like it that much...' They have shit taste for a reason. |
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davinci12 said: You don't. Just tell them about your favorite animes they'll either watch em or wont watch em +1 randompadley said: I'm confused... the topic is ' how do you convince your friend to watch quality anime' yet your making him watch Mushishi :/ In this topic, "quality" = "things that elitists like". It is not related to what ordinary people would call "quality". gabrielrroiz said: so if visuals as important as content anyne should be shitting they wasted a ton of budget on one of the worst contents ever but if visuals are so important it is just a mediocre anime Well, a lot of people hate SAO, but most of them agree its visuals and music are totally awesome. Of course, some of them are just mind-controlled drones whose opinions don't matter, but it leaves enough angry people who feel the writing was not as good as the visuals and the premise. |
| What makes a "quality" anime? uniqueness? story? enjoyment? I think that everyone has his own interpretation of "quality". If they ask me, I'll gladly recommend anime that I like. |
| I don't. Unlike you, I am not a douche and don't force my taste on others. Of course, I try and recommend what I think is good, but if they dislike it or don't want to watch it, I don't pester them about it. Grow up. |
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Sosunser said: TheBrainintheJar said: How are visuals not part of the content? Why are you watching a visual medium then? Visuals are part of the presentation. Obviously I meant content as in writing, the stuff that actually happens that wouldn't change even if you changed the artstyle completely, not as in 'the content that appears when I play the file'. Why are you watching a story-telling medium if the visuals are the most important thing? You could just go to a museum and observe pieces of art. See how stupid questions like that are? I'm tired of the same old 'it's a visual medium so it's totally reasonably to be superficial and hate on anything that looks different from the norm' pseudo arguments. It's also a story-telling medium, where characters act out events and stuff happens. It doesn't strike me as odd to value that part of the medium just as much or even more since I doubt anyone would have fun just watching contextless scenes that look gorgeous, at least not for long. The fact that I have to explain this over and over again whenever I dare bring up that bashing/avoiding a series because it looks visually different baffles me, I always found it to be self-evident. And before you elaborate on your argument, be aware that valuing one over the other doesn't mean not valuing the other at all. I watch anime because I love animation in particular and storytelling in general. Having nice visuals or superb animation is definitely something I value and always a great bonus for my enjoyment, but it's not the main motivation for me to start a series that will consume hours or even days of my time, visuals alone can't carry a show for that long if I don't also like the content. Also I could watch eyecandy with less effort if that's what I was looking for. If your main motivation to watch anime (a medium notorious for its extensive use of budget animation, mouthflaps and stills) is to see visual prowess without caring for content, then you're not being very efficient in reaching that goal. So yeah, as usual I'm not sure where the 'Why are you watching a visual medium then?' argument is supposed to go. Visuals are how the story is told, and how you tell a story can sometimes be the most important thing. A good storyteller emphasizes the important stuff that hightlight/got the jokes/got the exciting pieces. Do you think WataMote would've worked if Tomoki was drawn like one of those characters from Mushishi? Don't you think her design - the huge, scary eyes and messy hair are part of her character and story? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Do you think WataMote would've worked if Tomoki was drawn like one of those characters from Mushishi? Don't you think her design - the huge, scary eyes and messy hair are part of her character and story? Do you think Shoujo Kakumei Utena is bad because the art style and animation are horrible? I agree 100% with Sosunser here. Shiny animation and art style are nice, but it's really not the most important thing. |
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Clebardman said: Do you think Shoujo Kakumei Utena is bad because the art style and animation are horrible? I have only seen Utena in AMVs, but it looked quite good. |
flannan said: Well, I dropped SSY early on because it looked too grimdark, and looked like it'll become even grimdarker. It may be both grim and dark, but it is certainly not grimdark. It's not in any way impressed by these attributes, it's not like that to look cool and edgy to adolescents, or because it thinks that is cool and edgy. It's like that because it has decided to tackle some of the big, systematic problems with the world, and does so with a high-authenticity strategy. It clearly wants the world to be a paradise, it just can't ignore the way that it isn't, and that it never seems to become one. |
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