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| "Let Gelsadra handle it?" wtf. First he wants everyone to have the exact same opinions, now he wants people to have no opinion, be apathetic, and give all decision making power to him? Now Yuru-jii suddenly sounds like the character with the most sense, "I can think for myself." lol Katze singing "Gatchaman owata, maji owata" |
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| Tsubasa is the most annoying person ever, she's a complete idiot who refuses to look at the big picture or any picture for that matter. She basically wants a world where no one has to do anything, and refuses to consider any other idea. |
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m-i-c-h-a-e-l said: Now Yuru-jii suddenly sounds like the character with the most sense, "I can think for myself." The mere fact that his family members would even consider deciding his vote for him is disgusting. I also got the impression that they ignored him when he said no. With the exception of Yuru-Jii, fuck that entire family. And yeah, the third vote option is ridiculous. However, more than the sentiment that it's going to lead to people not thinking for themselves what I took away from it was that it's a step towards totalitarianism. First he removed the cabinet members so that he couldn't be opposed on that level. Then he made it so everything is decided via one singular platform. Then he uses that platform to move towards removing the option for the people to choose. It's unclear if that's a calculated move from Gel or if it's a result of not thinking things through. It's probably the latter, but it would be much more satisfying if it turned out to be the former. |
apokaliz500 said: For example because Thess' speculation may be wrong and Katze not only hates Gel because Gel tries to do opposite thing than Katze does, but also because maybe it's as simple as Katze being scared shitless of Gel (like he said in this episode) because Gel really is that powerful alien... Not sure what you mean by the first half of the sentence. Are you saying that Katze is only saying "save me" out of pure spite to incite Hajime into action? If he was afraid of Hajime being killed at that point, (& him indirectly) why not say something along the lines of "he's going to kill us", rather than "save me"? Just doesn't make sense. That's quite clearly a personal urgency. EDIT: Also, if he was really shit-scared and felt so hopeless, why not ask Hajime to run away? Instead what he actually says is "let's kill him". Why would he say that if the chances of winning were slim to none and risks putting himself in immediate danger? Later, he's says that Gatchaman are screwed because Gel has a political monopoly, meaning that Gatchaman will no longer be needed or supported by the masses. Excuse the long rant. I believe Katze is scared of Gel because he is his natural enemy, in a sense that Gel being able to unite people robs Katze of his own power and not because Gel is a ridiculously strong fighter. We've seen Gels original gas form fighting before, along Tsubasa, he didn't seem particularly strong. But that remains to be seen. Maybe after being sick over bubbles, he'll go out of control into a "berserk mode". A showdown like that would be really disappointing for this show. All this food for thought only to be resolved through a brawl. Please no. |
ramenshoujoAug 16, 2015 4:15 PM
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Epicenter said: It's not like Joe didn't realize the red alien was becoming a problem, he realized that early on and has tried to make sure he is looked after and even seems to hope the red alien fails at times to improve or for society to dispose of him eventually. I wouldn't call his anti crowds thing paranoia, because it was completely justified, everyone having crowds is arguably worse than everyone having guns and Rui was thinking his nice talk was going to sway just about anyone, despite the fact that there are people in the world who just don't give a shit and he was about to be killed by a guy who gives a shit more than some people in society who would just killed Rui for fun. I'm sure Joe will accept it once society is ready for it on the most part or when crowds is restricted for probably registered people like police, firemen, doctors and other more legit certified people that can be expected to do good in a higher percent rate than just random people, that's the whole point of his 20/60/20 thing. I never felt Joe was anti crowds forever. Rui was completely lucky the Ape guy is a softy as far as bad goes, imagine if he was some sort of crazed terrorist like ISIS or just like one of those maniacs who want to see the world burn, instead of being a terrorist pacifist-or whatever he was called-, not only would Rui be done and out but a huge chunk of the population would of got put in graves If this was true then why people didn't use the Crowds against Sugayan like Rizumu speculated? Because all he did was speak on 'what if' that never took place when they were still legal. If this was true why didn't Joe listed the supposed injures frmo BEFORE the VAPE incident. Why did people didn't criticize the Crowds before VAPE? Because Rui does have a way to control them: X administrates them and cancels accounts when things get off hand and they have a monitor system. VAPE that existed out of Rui's control and thus X was the reason why people turned against CROWDS. In turn, they stopped believing their capacity to evolve and be their own heroes due to this fear campaign Joe took part of and installed Gelsadra. Gelsadra is on power because of Joe's and Rizumu's actions (and Millio's agenda) scaring and manipulating the population into thinking they shouldn't do anything and "leave it to Sadra" that potential conflict is bad. They acted in an unnecessary and misguided backslash to criticize Rui and pretty much mess everything up. Don't say they aren't wrong, because they are direct responsible for this. Rizumu manipulated the situation very pleased with Tsubasa and Gelsadra interference to push his agenda and Joe capitalized it. With their paranoia, justified or not, they promoted herd thinking, laziness and actually encouraged the world to be as they didn't want them to be. And Joe was aware he did something wrong, he should be a man and admit it. Their goal is "world peace", which isn't wrong, but their methods certainly were. The world peace Gelsadra does is one of unity. Rui, on the other hand, encouraged people to be better and raise to answer challenges, gather together and find strength on that union. Are you seriously criticizing Rui when they took part on dismantling his job and regressing society? Of course people weren't perfect, Rui's perfectly aware of this. He has a general trust on their capacity to evolve but admits they do it slowly. He's willing to consider their point, but you know he disagrees with Joe when he says "people needs us." This is the core of Joe as character: he feels obsolete and wants to be the one who is a superhero, like Rui says "a privileged sense of justice." Of course Joe is against it, Joe was always against GALAX's (not just CROWDS) doing because he's a verticalism superhero type (an outdated person) who since the season 1 felt obsolete and acted, misguidedly, on this belief. You should rewatch the first episodes of season 1 and the disdainful way he treats the Galax motto. Should Rui take it easy? He already has. I think the decision would just rest with the population, specially Rizumu and Tsubasa changing their way of thinking to undo the damage they brought. Rizumu thinks people can't change for the better (which is what Rui means with "evolution") while Tsubasa is the perfect example of the apes he hates (on the other hand, Rui is someone he's growing to respect slowly and reluctantly). Unless they are proven wrong, the message of the show (which is titled Crowds first, btw, the Gatchaman part was a late addition) falls apart. Rui has once again quoted the director's message (and he did it first season), Hajime is his emotional prop support but he's always lampshading what is all about. He still believes in Crowds, he still has faith in humans. Now humans (Tsubasa) need to redeem themselves to prove they can change. Tsubasa promised they didn't need Crowds because she'll protect everyone, well now can she against these kuusama creatures? And please, don't bring ISIS and real world matters to the GATCHAMAN world, they don't seem to exist. Why else do you think Katze went to Tachibana and not the Middle East to power up people with Crowds. CROWDS aren't supposed to be weapons, either, so comparing them to guns is ridiculous. CROWDS is simply the corporeal manifestation of our virtual self-our souls. Shutting them down and saying "We don't need Crowds" seems alike what Tsubasa did this episode, tossing away her Note (her soul). It's pretty symbolic. |
ThessAug 16, 2015 6:09 PM
| I live for those Katze and Hajime moments "are you stupid?" "are you being a bitch?" "which is it?" at some point i stopped thinking Tsubasa was naive and just outright stupid or at least so blindsided by her ideals that it she comes off like that. |
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| The fact Crowds weren't a major problem before hand, is obviously faulty writing, because it was humanly impossible, it would take mere seconds to kill people with one of those things and do major damage by planning an attack beforehand offline with a group. Besides, this anime is clearly tapping into real word ideologies and trying to make a point about society and advances in technologies, however that's completely ridiculous if the worst human around is the Ape dude who is pretty much benign when it comes to the wide scope of humans and their devastation, and even more a joke if Rui is a godly figure who has the tech to make sure nobody does anything wrong all by himself every second of the day because it throws away the point the anime is arguing. The fact ape dude points to it as a what if and human nature clearly displays that even in the anime the thought of bad people running around shouldn't be unexpected- otherwise ape dude wouldn't have much leg to stand on if human's had no history or philological possibility among them to want to do harm-, the fact that it had to be him causing trouble is sort of ridiculous, but I'll assume the writer was trying to give Rui a better way to not look completely bad because the worst dude around was not that devastating because he had a peaceful mindset, hell why Katze picked that dude of all people and then left the dude alone when the dude didn't decide to do anything evil to me too seems like an utter plothole that's out of character. Now that you have me thinking about it, the writer of this anime must think a lot like Rui and Tsubusa, or at the very least is trying to make such naive view points on the world seem more positive then they should be. It's completely comical that Katse's an alien of chaos who loves destroying planets decides to give a note to a non violent/pacifist or whatever type of terrorist and he'd be the one to step up using crowds incorrectly as a point to showcase how they can be used as weapons so people smarten up before bad people start using it, as if the bad people wouldn't have already made their moves. And they can be used as weapons, they were taking out planes and trying to assassinate with them. The only reason Rui doesn't look worse than he does already is because the writer is being completely generous, and even then Rui still almost died and let a lot of damage happen by one of the least hardcore menaces you could expect out of humanity from this weak sauce Ape dude. Then again, I'm also not impressed of the unrealistic portrayal of people not being bothered by having their privacy completely invaded. The fact that it took this episode for that to be finally brought up-and only brought up of people feeling awkward, like that dude who was harassed by those two girls who said being lonely is lame, is an utter joke- people would of been going crazy and pissed off about people and that alien being able to discover their emotions and thoughts real quick long before this anime is making it look like, people would of been creating groups, conspiracies and even trying to kill that alien for it's powers to reveal emotions. |
EpicenterAug 16, 2015 9:24 PM
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| Really Tsubasa really???!!! |
| Well Tsubasa just went full retard. The Sheeple continuing to accept everything Gel throws at em wasn't surprising. |
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| Ugh. Replacing OD on that show. Screw that green haired TV guy, and screw "DD" too. Berg Katze was funny here, and also showed how much of a threat Gel will be, along with the orange haired-guy with the glasses (I seriously need to learn these names). And yeah... Tsubasa... why must you be so, well, stupid? Sigh.... |
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Epicenter said: The fact Crowds weren't a major problem before hand, is obviously faulty writing, because it was humanly impossible, it would take mere seconds to kill people with one of those things and do major damage by planning an attack beforehand offline with a group. Besides, this anime is clearly tapping into real word ideologies and trying to make a point about society and advances in technologies, however that's completely ridiculous if the worst human around is the Ape dude who is pretty much benign when it comes to the wide scope of humans and their devastation, and even more a joke if Rui is a godly figure who has the tech to make sure nobody does anything wrong all by himself every second of the day because it throws away the point the anime is arguing. The fact ape dude points to it as a what if and human nature clearly displays that even in the anime the thought of bad people running around shouldn't be unexpected- otherwise ape dude wouldn't have much leg to stand on if human's had no history or philological possibility among them to want to do harm-, the fact that it had to be him causing trouble is sort of ridiculous, but I'll assume the writer was trying to give Rui a better way to not look completely bad because the worst dude around was not that devastating because he had a peaceful mindset, hell why Katze picked that dude of all people and then left the dude alone when the dude didn't decide to do anything evil to me too seems like an utter plothole that's out of character. Now that you have me thinking about it, the writer of this anime must think a lot like Rui and Tsubusa, or at the very least is trying to make such naive view points on the world seem more positive then they should be. It's completely comical that Katse's an alien of chaos who loves destroying planets decides to give a note to a non violent/pacifist or whatever type of terrorist and he'd be the one to step up using crowds incorrectly as a point to showcase how they can be used as weapons so people smarten up before bad people start using it, as if the bad people wouldn't have already made their moves. And they can be used as weapons, they were taking out planes and trying to assassinate with them. The only reason Rui doesn't look worse than he does already is because the writer is being completely generous, and even then Rui still almost died and let a lot of damage happen by one of the least hardcore menaces you could expect out of humanity from this weak sauce Ape dude. Then again, I'm also not impressed of the unrealistic portrayal of people not being bothered by having their privacy completely invaded. The fact that it took this episode for that to be finally brought up-and only brought up of people feeling awkward, like that dude who was harassed by those two girls who said being lonely is lame, is an utter joke- people would of been going crazy and pissed off about people and that alien being able to discover their emotions and thoughts real quick long before this anime is making it look like, people would of been creating groups, conspiracies and even trying to kill that alien for it's powers to reveal emotions. Are you asking 'realism' in a show where they voted online including children and they put, they as xenophone Japan, an alien as Prime Minister? Please consider the show framing you're watching. In where Rui, who was 16 years old when he made Galax, made some godly X? Where you stuff aliens in your breasts? There are commentaries of the real world, but this isn't supposed to be the real world at all. CROWDS isn't a weapon, it's a manifestation of your soul. Your body CAN be a weapon, the pencil you grab can stab a person's eye too, does this mean we can ban "all pencils"? Please, you miss the complete and entire point that Crowds = PEOPLE SOULS. This isn't supposed to be a weapon allusion, it's supposed to be an argument if people have the right to express themselves and have power outside the constraints of the institutions of society. Joe and Rizumu have a Hobbes approach: people are wolves (or apes) who would destroy each other with autonomy and can only work if someone removes those rights and "protect" the social order. It's fairly Leviathan-esque way of thinking they have. It's got zero to do about weapons. It's about the capacity to believe in people or not and to trust them to have autonomy in taking care of themselves by mutual cooperation. That Gelsadra was put in power for the results of their interference (and not Rui's) and that Gelsadra spoke against crowds like they did, should have give you a clue of what the show is trying to say. When the actual positive characters (Hajime, OD and Rui) are against this. Even Sugane was disgusted. Joe and Rizumu have points of validity about people's actions, but all their actions have been portrayed in a negative light. Rizumu had to resort to terrorism to prove his point (because, realistically or unrealistically, there was no problem with this before his interference) and Joe went against his principles and felt like crap. Do you think Rui didn't know this? Gosh, did you forget about the Hundreds? How Rui himself also was selected and was proved wrong in his selection because the right course of action was to make it public? That's how he defeated Katze and saved the world. What Rui needed to understand now, I think, is that human moody swings, despite being good natured as he believes overall, can regress what he did. I think the point now is for people to start believing in themselves. They banned the Crowds, not Rui, if they feel ready to use them, they have to step up and show it. Rui already had his insight, he already learned to trust humanity, now another step is to leave them to grow and mature and think by themselves. To not use Crowds because it's a 'fad' or 'feels good' or 'cute boy in a miniskirt tells me to do it', but to actually use them in good conscience. Tsubasa is the example of average "ape" who follows the flow. When she finally is ready to be a Gatchaman, maybe people would be ready to be Crowds. Hajime seems to have faith. Trying to apply real life logic and weaponize the CROWDS is a complete misunderstanding to what they truly are. This is all supposed to be about people taking it "slow" and "think" rather than "worry" which is what Rui, Hajime and OD are seem capable of doing. Joe overreacted out of concern, Rizumu for all his pseudo-intellectual analysis was doing the same. Now Rui is the one who got him thinking. We can use CROWDS but we need to do it with conscience which is what I think the show is aiming at. The world Gelsadra and Tsubasa want is wrong, in case you didn't notice, it's a world that is simple and lacks thought and reflection which is against what the director wants to portray: a world that has become too complicated for minorities to support wholly which Rui spout in first season? That's the director's opening phrase of what his show was about. Now he's analyzing what happens when the majority are given thoughtless quick power and they don't think well their choices, moved by the concerns Rizumu and Joe brought, taking the worse choice possible, putting their power on the hands of one and regressing completely as society. You need to stop taking the superheroes and the aliens and the powers as literal things, they have symbolic-value to push their social theme and analysis. And always remember that Hajime and Rui are mean to be 'evolved' new human beings or something. That's probably why they are Gatchaman 101 and 100 symbolically numbered. Hajime has the emotional strength Rui and confidence sometimes lacks but it balances when Rui's more articulate and intelligent on other areas. They are a set that complements each other. The way they handle Tsubasa, in a good cop (or parent) and bad cop way, shows they work smoothly together without even say a word. Rui needed to scold Tsubasa with reason and punished her, De-Gatching her, Hajime was just pointing out conflict isn't bad and told Tsubasa she's needed, when she's ready. Tsubasa needs to consider Rui's points and understand them, then she needs to take up Hajime's help. But it's time for the evolved people to step back and let the primitive ones to evolve and figure out how to fix what they broke. |
ThessAug 17, 2015 1:05 PM
Could it be... Gel represents absolute Order and Berg Katze represents absolute chaos?(kind of remember me of Michael Moorcock's verse here.. which is an ominous comparison, reinforced by Katze saying he fled ) Absolute Order is even worse than absolute chaos in a sense. Chaos is what brings life in a world by its variety. Even without going as far as that, a civilisation of absolute order and unity is bound to collapse on itself just as well as a civilisation without any order. What is necessary is a balance. Looking at the way it's currently going, this is inciting absolute stagnation for civilisation. Stagnation about culture, about science, about progress in the way of thinking, everything. Worse, since humanity as its current state is unable to become absolute order Gel is wishing for, this may even incite to rapid regression to a former state of conscience for humanity. Through conflict and multiple way of thinking, a race and a civilisation can evolve. In a way, it's no wonder that the power Berg Katze gave to Rui was something that can be used to force a rapid evolution. If he represents chaos, then this is logical. Gel's government is the exact contrary. And therefore, the gentle monster currently popping out are exactly the contrary of the crowds. They will incite peoples to decide less by themselves, to throw away their worries and their wish to change things to just be stupidly happy of their current situation. Happy vegetables. I didn't understood this series was going that way (and still not sure it's the case) but interesting in any case... |
ZefyrisAug 17, 2015 4:53 PM
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Zefyris said: Could it be... Gel represents absolute Order and Berg Katze represents absolute chaos?(kind of remember me of Michael Moorcock's verse here..) Absolute Order is even worse than absolute chaos in a sense. Chaos is what brings life in a world by its variety. Even without going as far as that, a civilisation of absolute order and unity is bound to collapse on itself just as well as a civilisation without any order. What is necessary is a balance. Looking at the way it's currently going, this is inciting absolute stagnation for civilisation. Stagnation about culture, about science, about progress in the way of thinking, everything. Worse, since humanity as its current state is unable to become absolute order Gel is wishing for, this may even incitate to rapid regression to a former state of conscience for humanity. Through conflict and multiple way of thinking, a racer and a civilisation can evolve. In a way, it's no wonder that the power Berg Katze gave to Rui was something that can be used to force a rapid evolution. If he represents chaos, then this is logical. Gel's government is the exact contrary. And therefore, the gentle monster currently popping out are exactly the contrary of the crowds. They will incite peoples to decide less by themselves, to throw away their worries and their wish to change things to just be stupidly content of the current situation. I didn't understood this series was going that way (and still not sure it's the case) but interesting in any case... Kind of. Katze wanted destruction, no evolution. Gelsandra wants unity, not peace. In season 1, Rui was struggling against the possibility of Crowds being used for destructive methods, that's what Katze wanted, and Rui rejected him wholly. Hajime confronted him, they exchanged words, Rui noticed his behavior and took a choice. But this was the result of his ability to listen and change and to realize his own actions because Rui's a character who shows capable of self-reflection (sometimes self doubt). Rui who rejected leaders and heroes in a traditional manner learned to be less dogmatic and made use of them until people could evolve fully, step by step, he knew that people weren't fully ready yet. Tsusaba's development as the focus of this season which substitutes Rui. Tsubasa wants peace and quiet. Rui who is from a city and is used to the digital world clashes with Tsubasa, a country bumpkin who isn't used to the big complex layer of the outside world, so I don't fault her rather foolish actions that much. However just like this, her development was the opposite of Rui. She never listens to people, she helps the alien to pull his plan (which isn't malicious but utterly dehumanizing anyway) willingly, subordinating her own dreams (what about her aspirations of being a hero? of fireworks? she kind of ditched all this) to go with the flow. She thinks one or herself could take care of things rather than trust in people. I think she needs to learn to start trusting people to be heroes, just like Rui learned to trust Gatchaman and politics. Rizumu, IMO, represents Rui's shadow self to question his belief. But I feel he and Tsubasa's arcs are contrasting for a good reason. Their completely different relationship with Hajime is also interesting. Tsubasa started to like her as her senpai but quickly turned hostile, she didn't listen to her, or cared to understand her point. Rui was the opposite, they immediately aligned after their first exchange (even before their first exchange, Hajime was a Galaxer who kind of agreed with the spirit of Galax in general). That's why Tsubasa is important, because she introduces a conflict element in the nest, while Rui and Hajime, with their different strengths and personalities, are kind of alike...they wouldn't have a confrontation. Of course there are other characters, but those three I feel are the ones who lead the show arc overall and have a weight in the plot while other characters are influenced by their decisions (in a good and bad way, they are more reactionary). |
ThessAug 17, 2015 3:00 PM
| Yes. At first I thought that second season was switching from action to politics which wasn't a bad thing, but that's different. It doesn't goes for politics, it goes philosophical, with highly symbolic characters. Peace, conflict, self determination, society, government, evolution and regression of humanity's conscience. This is even more interesting as this means that this theme was actually here since the first season. At that time we only had chaos's representative, so it was harder to get the meaning behind the story of Katze and the crowds. That second season actually makes me look back at some things in the first season and look back at them differently. I saw in the threads some peoples saying those monsters will wreak havoc. i seriously doubt it, that's the exact contrary. They are gentle monsters, indeed. How frightening. Katze compared to this almost looks a good guy right now. At least he brought with the crowds a tool for humanity to evolve een if his goal was different. Indeed Tsubasa symbolise Rui's opposite. If Katze and Gel symbolise Chaos and Order, then Rui and Tsubasa symbolise humanity's aspiration for what is brought by both. Rui, for evolution toward a higher conscience, making humanity greater than right now. Tsubasa, denying the need of evolution, wishing for simple peace and happiness brought by order. The idea of opposing countryside to city is also interesting. And in the middle, Hajime. So far this series is one of the most interesting this season. |
ZefyrisAug 17, 2015 4:54 PM
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Zefyris said: If Katze and Gel symbolise Chaos and Order, then Rui and Tsubasa symbolise humanity's aspiration for what is brought by both. Rui, for evolution toward a higher conscience, making humanity greater than right now. Tsubasa, denying the need of evolution, wishing for simple peace and happiness brought by order. The idea of opposing countryside to city is also interesting. And in the middle, Hajime. That could be truth, but I think Tsubasa is embodying more a "normal person". The thing is that Rui and Hajime, iirc, from the director commentary, are supposed to be a new class of evolved human beings. Hajime tries to be conciliatory but she's standing and siding Rui, every time - Rui and Hajime work kind of in sync, you can even see this when they fought together flawlessly as a team in episode 0. You're supposed to aspire to be like them. Tsubasa on the other hand, imo, represents that 60% rather than the "top 20" kind of thing? Her gatcha number is even 60. Of course she does contrast Rui (and Hajime) because she's just a normal person who needs to "evolve" (think). That's kind of the theme, in a way. No doubt Hajime is a guide figure of sorts, she's always pretty otherworldly. But so is Rui, Rui needed to confront her to voice her wrongs. I think that's why so many people are irritated by Tsubasa? I've noticed the flak she gets. Probably the problem is that she hasn't done much of anything to warrant her self importance. When Rui had his crisis of faith, he was far more fleshed out and was direct responsible of saving the lives of many people and creating a successful tool to improve the lives of millions, including Hajime's. Tsubasa saves Rui's life -maybe- but in circumstances that question if she did the right thing or not (unlike Rui's actions with the milk incident or the tunnel collapsing among other things), so she doesn't really do much of heroic other than playing a political game that isn't exactly putting her on a sympathetic light because people try to reach out for her and she rejects them (while Rui felt isolated and tormented, and immediately turned to Hajime and the others when he had a chance). I guess her flaws make her more human and we're more used to Hajime's perfection or Rui's noble resilience. |
ThessAug 17, 2015 9:27 PM
| I knew it. Gel does eat emotions. But I don't think Gel is fully aware of what is happening? now the "monkeys" are going to come out? I think that's what makes Gel powerful? They are earnest about wanting peace but??? Did anyone else notice the snake in the apple tree? with that ending does that mean we will finally get the other characters to have more screentime? |
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ramenshoujo said: 2. Kissing people in order to look like them. It's been a while since I watched the first season in full, so my memory might be dodgy, but I recall Katze being shown to transform several times without having to kiss anyone to do it. I would chalk up the kissing part of it to being a mind fuck tactic more than something that is actually necessary. |
| Pretty sure Hajime's tits grow bigger with each passing episode. |
apokaliz500 said: ...Where did season 1 strongly imply that conflict is source of Berg-Katze's powers? ... You said that Haijme once said herself that he is manifestation of desire for conflict. Honestly, I don't remember that. Could you tell me the episode so I can see for myself? That's my bad. The wording I used is dodgy but the underlying principle is the same. What Hajime actually said was that Katze = people/us. He manifests from the negative and spiteful side of human subconscious, [Episode 13, Directors Cut: Embrace] and the result of that can cause conflict, which Gel is able to suppress and eliminate due to his ability to unite people, making them feel more positive about themselves, others and society in general. Just a thought, but when Katze takes someones form, he is able to act out their subconscious evil/negative desires. Hajime kisses him, but he does not take her form, presumably because she has no bad intentions. apokaliz500 said: ...Didn't want to fight her because he started to like her a lot after a few talks with her to the point he cared deeply about her attention...deep down he wanted to be defeated by her so he can be together with her from now on. I agree that Katze and Hajime hit it off right away, after he toyed with Joe, he didn't even bother attacking her when he could have easily done so. It's quite obvious he never really felt threatened by Hajime at all. I can't say whether he wanted to be defeated. But being absorbed is something that no-one expected. We only really learned of Hajime's unique skill towards the end of Season 1, which is to convert souls into notes. This is different from JJ's ability to extract notes, Utsutsu's ability to heal, or Rui's ability to enable CROWDS. Going off the theory that Katze is a spirit/soul himself, the manifestation of negative desires/emotions etc, this enables Hajime to convert him.[/quote] apokaliz500 said: I also think we shoudn't take too literally everything Katze says in this season...I think it's as simple as Gelsadra being so over the top powerful even Katze would have no chance in direct fight... I can't change anyone's opinion, but I do believe that when Hajime & Katze decide to say something, it's usually quite pertinent. As for the power issue, only time will tell. |
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apokaliz500 said: Seriously? I don't remember that, and I watched the firs season somewhere between release of 2nd and 3rd episode of "Insight". But well, even if it's true, my point is more about that he needed to wait for them to exploit some negative stuff so he can take their form. The one I recall most clearly being at the finale when he changed into a random person trying to make people distrust the Crowds. Though that could have been a previously established shapeshift. According to a Gatchaman wiki, physical contact is required, but it doesn't need to be a kiss. |
| So if Katze ran away from the Red Pig(I prefer calling him that than Gerururu), Gatchaman stand no chance. If we take past battles and if Katze ran away due to Red Pig's battle powers, the current strength order is: Red Pig > Katze > O.D the MVG(Most Valuable Gatcha) > Hajime > The rest >>>>>>>>>Tsubasa. But I have a hunch that Tsubasa may be the one who defeats the Red Pig so surprise with a not so obvious plot twist. I placed O.D. in third since we have yet to see his full power(since Katze almost killed the poor guy and he wasn't able to release his full power). Though he dealt loads of damage than the others couldn't deal. Hopefully we get to see him to use all of his power(even though he will end up dying and one of my favorite characters will end up going to the void :( ) Also I have gotten enough of Tsubada's idiocracy. Can't someone just punch her? I support releasing Katze and beating her to a pulp. |
| From what I heard, there's no new episode this week. |
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ValhasDrew said: So if Katze ran away from the Red Pig(I prefer calling him that than Gerururu), Gatchaman stand no chance. If we take past battles and if Katze ran away due to Red Pig's battle powers, the current strength order is: Red Pig > Katze > O.D the MVG(Most Valuable Gatcha) > Hajime > The rest >>>>>>>>>Tsubasa. It's not about battle power, it's about beliefs/philosophies or something. Katze is chaos/hate etc... Those were neutralized when crowds first came and is being used by Gel now. Katze lost to Gel because the blind unity he creates abolishes katze's chaos, but it also stops free will, which Hajime doesn't want. But you can't have free will without chaos, so I think that's the real reason hajime absorbed katze. Gel must feed of the sense of unity he makes, hence the red pig. |
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Stark700 said: From what I heard, there's no new episode this week. production delays too like God Eater? |
ichii_1 said: ValhasDrew said: So if Katze ran away from the Red Pig(I prefer calling him that than Gerururu), Gatchaman stand no chance. If we take past battles and if Katze ran away due to Red Pig's battle powers, the current strength order is: Red Pig > Katze > O.D the MVG(Most Valuable Gatcha) > Hajime > The rest >>>>>>>>>Tsubasa. It's not about battle power, it's about beliefs/philosophies or something. Katze is chaos/hate etc... Those were neutralized when crowds first came and is being used by Gel now. Katze lost to Gel because the blind unity he creates abolishes katze's chaos, but it also stops free will, which Hajime doesn't want. But you can't have free will without chaos, so I think that's the real reason hajime absorbed katze. Gel must feed of the sense of unity he makes, hence the red pig. It was just an assumption, I did include an "If" since I'm not totally sure about it. I guess I will wait and see how it sets out completely. Takuan_Soho said: Well, she didn't defeat him with a greater battle power, but psychologically(which tends to be worse in most cases since Katze behaves like a little child) but Hajime-chan herself has loads of potential. Hajime is that type of characters that has a God-like intuition that permits her to beware of the true intention or feelings or people. Herself shows few emotions and as seen by Gerururu(he seems quite worried about why her color never changes somewhat similar to Tsubasa's grandpa case)she stays calm herself and true to her emotions. ValhasDrew said: So if Katze ran away from the Red Pig(I prefer calling him that than Gerururu), Gatchaman stand no chance. If we take past battles and if Katze ran away due to Red Pig's battle powers, the current strength order is: Red Pig > Katze > O.D the MVG(Most Valuable Gatcha) > Hajime > The rest >>>>>>>>>Tsubasa. But I have a hunch that Tsubasa may be the one who defeats the Red Pig so surprise with a not so obvious plot twist. Disagree, Hajime> all. After all Hajime was the one who defeated Katze, so she stands above him. How she stands in comparison to "Red Pig" remains to be seen, but I have no doubt that Hajime is going to waste him. Ultimately I think Hajime's only worthwhile opponent would be herself. Hopefully we get to see Hajime go all out but sadly, this isn't the type of series for that to happen(O.D.'s power outrage got cut by several scissor hits from Katze wasting a good fight scene ;-;) |
| I can't wait to see Tsubasa's revelation of her stupidity. |
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| The only reason I haven't dropped this yet is because I want to see Tsubasa apologize for being so pathetic. She has made this season unbearable. |
| Gel might be the final boss, but I don't feel any kind of malice from him. He's really trying his best to help the humans, but doesn't realize that his methods can't work. And HOLY SHIT BERG RAN AWAY? So, those are the gentle beast... this is gonna be good. |
DmonHiroAug 28, 2015 1:05 PM
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DatRandomDude said: there purpose is to cause conflict and be irrtating Man, i hate Tsubasa and Gel-chan so fuckin much, they are annoying and kinda killing the anime for me. Thank god, i'm enough interested to see what happens next. can u really not stomach an anime not going ur way..this is called a good drama |
| I feel like the pacing is off this season. It's taken way too long to get to this inevitable point. This is very similar to the setup Psycho Pass had and unfortunately, Gatchaman doesn't pull it off as nicely. While Gel-chan's and Tsubasa's plan is well intentioned, it doesn't work in practical society. Hajime is trying to make them understand this by not attacking them outright and I personally think she's the strongest character in this respect at this time. Rui Rui still hot. |
| -Nothing can stay unchanged. Even so, can you still keep on loving this place? -Be still my soul; when change and tears are past, all safe and blessed we shall meet at last. |
| Things are getting a bit strange and a bit slow as well but well I can't say I don't like the current development as it's still interesting but not really Gatchaman like! |
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| Katze does not seem like the type of guy that would run away from Gel chan. He isn't even scary. |
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| People saying she's not ignorant... She's both naive and ignorant. She herself said she doesn't understand difficult things even though it doesn't take a genius to understand how fucked society is if everybody says "I don't understand difficult stuff, so I'm gonna leave it to Gel-chan" She's not just naive at this point, she's plain brainless. Not thinking anything and just supporting Gel-chan with a really vague ideal like "joining people together" is plain ignorance. |
| Bluetsutsu. :) Dumb Tsubasa. Hajime was doing the V sign on purpose. She clearly triggered you. Right before the intermission when Hajime asked Katze what does he mean. Katze: Ne, baka nano? Hajime-tan, baka nano? Bicchi nano? Dochi nano? Ne, Ne, Ne. Dochi nano? Bicchi nano? Dochi nano? Bicchi nano? Hajime: *grabs head* AAAAH! Katze: Ne, Ne, Ne. That shit had me on the floor. I love Katze. Thank you, Mamoru. Also, oppai service. :) My god. Will Gel and Tsubasa just fuck already. Getting tired of hearing her talk. JJ saw it coming. lol |
RobJan 8, 2017 4:21 AM
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| -wow great ep, but when berg kept calling Hajime a bitch & saying "lol" I lost it & laughed way too hard. berg is too funny 😹😹 |
| He actually threw up.. smh weak. |
 Three things cannot be long hidden.. ...the s u n, the m oo n, and the tr u th. |
| v equals bad! ii equals good? thx but no thx. |
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| Katze's honest opinion of Gel - "He's a piece of shit" lmfao. I sure love looking at Hajime's enormous breasts every time she has a conversation with Katze. "Let Sadra handle everything" that's a big yikes there my friend! I can almost smell the dictatorship behind my screen. Even Katze ran away from Gel. Damn that was a pretty creepy ending. I can't say I like Tsubasa as a character but she does provide some interesting conflict in this show. Things are finally blowing up. I wonder how Hajime will solve this. |
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| lol Katze's dub voice is funny. |
| Episode 0: Inbound Episode 7: Outbound Rui's new outfit *_* The curtains in OD's room looked like flowers lol Hajime's scissors sign got spoiled by Tsubasa xD Gel-chan's belly looks full after consuming people's moods O_O He got sad after consuming negative emotions, and recovered after consuming positive ones. I wonder why was OD replaced... Also, isn't Rui the developer of GALAX? How did Gel add a new option for voting? Or is it a separate app? Apparently Katze's voice reaches everyone if Hajime stops touching her breast lol. And she can "seal" him by touching it. Genius move. I wonder if he just shuts up this way, or just becomes Hajime's internal voice or something. That broken lamp at the end... Did people's emotions get mixed up? The mood bubble became the tail of that thing... Liberty, Equality, Fraternity. Even if it has to be imposed on the pointed edge of the Guillotine. In other words, the creators are referencing the French Revolution. Good observation. P.S. What was that barrel of water during Katze's speech...felt random. |
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