Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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| ^ yes you mistook two different explanation, Chamo eplaining that when she entered the temple she was surprised to see Fremy (we saw that scene in episode 4), and Chamo and Fremy explaining that the knew each other because Fremy tried to kill her a while ago when she was going around killing potential brave, and not only failed but also almost got killed in return by Chamo. Chamo said in episode 4 to goldof "you're the big guy from before". It's obvious here that after chamo encountered Fremy, Goldof met her as he was chasing for clue about the brave killer, and heard of everything from Chamo. That's obviously from Chamo that Goldof got his "clues" and that iron ball he presented to Nashetnaia in the end of the second episode. As far as we know, Chamo is the only failure from Fremy, and the information about the killer logically comes from a target that Fremy failed to kill. Add to that that Chamo acknowledged oldof as someone she met not that logn ago, and there you go x) As for Nashetania, isn't Fremy the main heroine in every watcher's heart already anyway? :D Xenocrisi said: Zefyris said: Somehow I think the number of fangirl for Hans is going to sky rocket after this episode xD. I am a boy Q.Q You know Hans is my favourite character in RnY :p. I said he'll get fangirls but it doesn't mean that men won't like him, especially after seeing him fight x). |
ZefyrisAug 5, 2015 4:02 PM
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| New opening theme 5 episodes in? I didn't expect that...But most of the images were the same, just with a different song. Gosh my head's spinning. So much deep thought about who the fake could be. Hans's eyes are beautiful T^T Chamot is a girl? I totally thought she was just a really cute little boy...I mean she totally looks like a girl, but for some reason I thought she was a boy this whole time... In one of the previous episodes, Nachetanya mentioned something about how her father had ordered her assassination before she became Saint of Blades. I wonder if it had anything to do with Hans, since he's an assassin...I know there are many assassins out there, but part of the reason I suspect he had some involvement is because Hans told Nachetanya that "many higher-ups in [her] government have paid him to assassinate people" or something like that. Maybe "higher-ups" like the king himself? I dunno, just speculating. |
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abyss333 said: GOD ITS SO OBVIOUS WHO IT IS. Lol but This show better have multiple seasons cause this is gonna be terrible as just a stand alone season. Doesnt do justice to the Novels, (lol even though i only read volume 1) Actually, it is not obvious unless you use meta-logic like "Nashetania and Fremy must be innocent, because it makes a harem situation, and japanese love these things". But this logic only tells us who did it, but not how did they do it, nor how will the good guys find it all out. It does seem easier to see compared to the novel (that might be because i know where to look), but not obvious in any way. |
Zefyris said: As for Nashetania, isn't Fremy the main heroine in every watcher's heart already anyway? It's still Nashetania's pictures that dominate the Ending Song. |
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SovereignSky said: flannan said: Actually, it is not obvious unless you use meta-logic like "Nashetania and Fremy must be innocent, because it makes a harem situation, and japanese love these things". But this logic only tells us who did it, but not how did they do it, nor how will the good guys find it all out. It does seem easier to see compared to the novel (that might be because i know where to look), but not obvious in any way. A harem is 3 characters or more to me.....love triangle is not harem. That aside, Fremy's definitely innocent, Hans is way too epic (and logical) and Adlet can't be it because protagonist=demon king powers has been done before (and since it's a mystery, it'd be stupid). I still think it's Nashetania even though I didn't see anything hinting at a person besides her How is Fremy innocent? Just because it does not make sense in the line of thought Hans used does not mean he is correct. How is Hans innocent? if he is a fake it would make sense to stir shit up and to be a fake and blend in you WOULD have to be smart as fuck. How is Adlet innocent? If anything he has the most things shady about his behavior. No other hints? You say that in the episode which was filled with hints against almost every character? |
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CookingPriest said: How is Hans innocent? if he is a fake it would make sense to stir shit up and to be a fake and blend in you WOULD have to be smart as fuck? His arguments are based on experience he said he have with Saint of Seals. He can't lie about those without Moira knowing. Also his alibi for the time of the activation is reliant on Moira so much we can't suspect him without suspecting Moira working with him and covering for him, and those are unlikely bedfellows. Fremy alibi for the time of activation is supported by Chamo, who wants to kill her and those two are also unlikely allies. Her motivation is supported by Adlet, who was with her all the time without being shot. Her strategy is failure for infiltrator too, so she is unlikely suspect, unless she works with Adlet who was with her all the time. On the other hand, Adlet is suspitious, as he has nothing to support his claims and our arguments can be based only for what we saw in the show, but other character don't know about, which is meta-logic. |
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beast_regards said: Zefyris said: As for Nashetania, isn't Fremy the main heroine in every watcher's heart already anyway? It's still Nashetania's pictures that dominate the Ending Song. Because that's an ending sung by Nashetania's seiyuu. But officially, there's one more ending announced, sung by Aoi Yuuki. Guess whose seiyuu she is, and what kind of footage you will logically get in this one. CookingPriest said: SovereignSky said: That aside, Fremy's definitely innocent, Hans is way too epic (and logical) and Adlet can't be it because protagonist=demon king powers has been done before (and since it's a mystery, it'd be stupid). I still think it's Nashetania even though I didn't see anything hinting at a person besides her How is Fremy innocent? Just because it does not make sense in the line of thought Hans used does not mean he is correct. How is Hans innocent? if he is a fake it would make sense to stir shit up and to be a fake and blend in you WOULD have to be smart as fuck. How is Adlet innocent? If anything he has the most things shady about his behavior. No other hints? You say that in the episode which was filled with hints against almost every character? Actually, in his reasoning to prove Fremy innocent, Hans missed a very important info that we know about. That is, that Fremy was aware that another brave (nashetania) was aware that Adlet was a brave. As such, his reasoning (fremy not attacking adlet leading to seven braves= bad for fremy-> Fremy is innocent since she didn't try to kill Adlet) is no longer valid. Because if Fremy killed Adlet back then, that would be even worse for Fremy if she were to try to join the other braves afterwards. Fremy alibi for the time of activation is supported by Chamo, Errr no. It's supported by Nashetania and Goldof. Fremy was with those two, not with Chamo (if Fremy was with chamo, she would be dead lol) |
ZefyrisAug 6, 2015 12:26 PM
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| saying this now i ship Fremy Speeddraw with Adlet also its ether Goldof Auora hes most sus in my opinion other one being Mora Chester |
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| The fact that Adlet has been with the bunny girl before meeting the other guardians and how she looks like she into him makes her the most suspicious one right off the bat. She's too safe for the seventh not to be her xD Basically the complete opposite of Fremy who's too obvious to be the seventh. |
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| Looks like Adlet is in a tight spot. Can't wait to see what happens next. Also, feel bad for Fremy after knowing her backstory. Alot of tension in this episode, loved it. |
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abyss333 said: GOD ITS SO OBVIOUS WHO IT IS. Lol but This show better have multiple seasons cause this is gonna be terrible as just a stand alone season. Doesnt do justice to the Novels, (lol even though i only read volume 1) Even though I know I'm clearly taking the bait, I just can't accept that part I put bold on. I can't see them doing this at any other pacing, it's literally perfect. Volume one is enough for a full season, and we ain't getting a full adaptation. It'd be clearly rushed. And I'm confused how Passione (the studio no one had ANY expectations for), are not giving the light novel justice. They're hardly missing out any information, and progressing the plot nice and slow, while keeping the tension high. In terms of animation? Sure, though they're a new studio and have only worked on one thing, of course they'd have a low budget. |
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Shiek4d5 said: SilverBeaver said: Chamo accidently killed her opponent in a Martial Arts Tournament :/ Just shows how inexperienced she is. Restraint is the difference between the weak and the strong. That tournament was several years ago. I'm not even sure she was 10 back in the day. (Yeah, all the strong warriors of the tournament fled in front of 7-9 years old girl). Among the 4 saints in the room, only Mora has been Saint for a longer time than her. Calling her inexperienced is... quite heavily wrong. Naive and childish is one thing, but inexperienced? |
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| Chamo reminds me a lot of Sayoko Hijonji from SDR2. I don't find her quite as annoying as everyone else. I mean, if Fremy attempted to kill her, I would be pretty keen on punishing her too. But I really do like Fremy, and this show is getting better and better by the week. I don't trust Goldof or Nashetenia. |
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| If I were in that tournament I'd probably back out too. Hahaha~ |
Shiek4d5 said: You're forgetting the Saint of Mountains and Chamot as part of the harem. The Japanese are also pedophiles... Using this logic I would say there should be 3 males and 3 females where each protagonist have a preferred partner :-P (male cast is too high for harem show, so instead of having a harem we need to make sure each hero gets the girl) |
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SovereignSky said: Adlet with Flemy, Goldov with Nashe and Hans with Moira (sp?)......Chamot is annoying (for now) Chamot and Hans, they both have a few screws loose. In fiction psychos tend to understand each other. |
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beast_regards said: SovereignSky said: Adlet with Flemy, Goldov with Nashe and Hans with Moira (sp?)......Chamot is annoying (for now) Chamot and Hans, they both have a few screws loose. In fiction psychos tend to understand each other. Chamo's green foxtail (called neko jarashi in japanese - litteraly, an herb used to tease/play with cats) seems like super effective to tame Cat-Hans though :D . Maybe he'll try to catch it if Chamo play with it in front of him? xD I would definitely go the Hans/Chamo route for Hans, seems more logical than Hans/Mora :p. |
ZefyrisAug 8, 2015 11:12 AM
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Zefyris said: I would definitely go the Hans/Chamo route for Hans, seems more logical than Hans/Mora :p. After few episodes we will all forget about the fake Brave argument and vote who is the best couple instead :-P |
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| So that blue-clad woman said she had the key... If it's so obvious that she simply entered then exited closing it behind her then I'll be severely disappointed. Normally I'd think it was way too obvious, but it seems weird that none of the characters mentioned it to debunk it early. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| I stay on my previous opinion, Goldof is the fake, he activated the barrier to protect Nashetania of the fight. He is just here to stay with the princess. |
XartaX said: So that blue-clad woman said she had the key... If it's so obvious that she simply entered then exited closing it behind her then I'll be severely disappointed. Normally I'd think it was way too obvious, but it seems weird that none of the characters mentioned it to debunk it early. If she use the key, she doesn't activate the armours, sure, but the door will be kept open and cannot be closed again. |
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| Shippings aside, daaaaaaaamn getting intense! I'm so much loving KeniSuzu for Hans. It fits puuhrrfecctlyyy. My fav part is when Goldof pushed Fremy aside for Nashetania, lmfao. I love Fremy but that was just funny. |
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xMonochrome said: I swear I hate this Chamot brat, going on about killing/torturing only Fremy. Hate is a strong word but I find her annoying... not my type of character at all And the fact that Goldov was treating Fremy as he was was making me mad ò.ó Good episode overal, got some info on my fav character's past although I already knew she was half-human because I spoiled myself >.> pasanoid said: Its more like Goldof > I dont care whats goin on I have a princes to look after Adlet > I kinda care whats goin on but I have a pretty gunslinger girl to look after Hans > Nya, this situation is so dumb lmao Nasshetania > Adlet-san is this Fremie-girl cuter than I am? Side with me I have bewbs! Maura > Fucking weirdo kids everywhere! Chamo > I dont care whats goin on but dat Fremie bitch I fucking hate her! Fremie > Though Im'a half-demon and kinda killed alot of potential braves, Im not the 7th or anyth. Other then that u can do what u want, I dont have an opinion on the matter your comment cracked me up, thank you xD |
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| Ohhh, so Han's trying to put the blame on Adlet and everyone's joining in lol. :p Chimot is irritating af btw. |
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Barion-Zara said: Hanz's eye looks beautiful. I loved that. His eye is really nicely done. |
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Forgetfulness said: Although that one line where Mora says a new saint hasn't been created in a century? wtf? There are clearly other Saints, so how long do these guys live? Unless she meant the "Saint of Gunpowder" was created, not Fremie herself? e The later. there was 78 type of saint, no new type appearing since more than one century, since when a saint die or retire, someone else inherit the power after a ceremony, before mora, chamo, nashetnaia, there was other saints witht he same power of respectively mountain, swamp, and blade, and same for the other saints. And Fremy is a 79th type of Saint. Which is a really rare occurrence. |
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| Time to play detectives yay. They are showing too much inconsistencies with little usagi princess. |
| So awesome. My opinions of the characters more or less changed as of this episode, and I understand now why people say Fremy is "best girl." Either her or Hans is my favorite for the moment. Chamo is such an irritating little brat, ugh. In stories like this, the most suspicious person is never the culprit, so that alone makes me doubt Hans as the seventh brave. That said, he's the one dominating the group's logical movement, so it would be easy to say he's manipulating everyone else; plus, making the most suspicious person the culprit would be a surprise in and of itself considering everyone at this point "knows" to not doubt the one the story wants you to doubt the most? If that makes sense... I'm betting on either Mora or Hans, but I like the way the story has been constructed in a way where everyone is reasonably questionable. Except Adlet, maybe. I can't see how he would be the seventh brave. Love the OP change. |
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| Another good episode, completely set in one room in real time. Don't see that often. |
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| The Nya Hans does is annoying. I'm thinking it's either the princess or the guy she friend-zoned. |
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| I think it's the cat boy. The bunny girl is suspicious too, but ye, I'd say the cat boy. Anywayz, this was really gud, I luv it <3 |
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| A little boring narration, but at least it has served its purpose. Plot that remains firm to the pole, a little angry about this, but we must be patient, as the intrigue behind the latest events, it is interesting. Drawings and animations really mediocre, a shame given that the TV series is interesting. Interesting past Fremy, now he is beginning to like his character. |
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korn7809 said: Did Adlet mention the fact that a fiend was able to look like a human? He probably did. They've skipped the parts that were already shown to us, but it is unlikely Adlet would've left out such an important detail. |
| Quite interesting character development, things sure are getting tense and I do wonder what that will result to! Let's see what's next. |
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| A much better episode. I like Hans much more now. Poor Adlet, I hope someone will defend him. I dislike Chamot. Nasty little brat. |
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| Death flag set for lè princess. The "I'm not feeling well", the "Have faith in me" and the entire ending. During the actual episodes as well the was totally looking kawaii with dem expressions. Maybe the studio is doing this on purpose to raise suspicion, but we wouldn't know. :) |
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| Damn, Fremy's a hybrid? How freakin' awesome is she! Glad Hans cleared her name. But now, it seems that Adlet's in a bad spot. |
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| I still believe the princess is the fake here... It was nice to know some back story on Fremy... Half human, half demon, interesting... |
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| Fremy being a half demon was rather surprising. She looks rather creepy without that patch. |
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That's what I think as well :P |
| This episode was mostly talk and it's really boring except that very last bit. And these characters really tick me the fuck off. Adlet's a shameless arrogant prick who has an equally annoying voice that lets out a sigh everytime he ends a sentence, Chamot desperately tries to act cute and talks in third-person, Flamie talks like lifeless a robot, Hans talks like a cat and damn they all look like clowns for some reason that one chick wears bunny ears, Flamie has a huge flower on her head and let's not talk about hooded guy's ridiculous outfit. Maura's the only normal person among these clowns and she's hot too. Many people would probably think these things are trivial but somehow I just find them really annoying. Anyway proving Adlet's innocence it easy. Make him undo that seal and if he can't he's innocent. |
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PrimeX said: This episode was mostly talk and it's really boring except that very last bit. And these characters really tick me the fuck off. Adlet's a shameless arrogant prick who has an equally annoying voice that lets out a sigh everytime he ends a sentence, Chamot desperately tries to act cute and talks in third-person, Flamie talks like lifeless a robot, Hans talks like a cat and damn they all look like clowns for some reason that one chick wears bunny ears, Flamie has a huge flower on her head and let's not talk about hooded guy's ridiculous outfit. Maura's the only normal person among these clowns and she's hot too. Many people would probably think these things are trivial but somehow I just find them really annoying. Anyway proving Adlet's innocence it easy. Make him undo that seal and if he can't he's innocent. That's trivial indeed. BTW south american warriors were wearing animal symbols on them. The warriors on the first episodes, and most Rokka have a similar animal symbol, there's nothing surprising here. Adlet is hardly arrogant. Chamo just talk like a little child, that's all. Although if you don't like talking you've CLEARLY picked up the wrong anime. That's not an action focused anime you know... That doesn't work. Because no one BUT the one who activated the trap knows what is the correct way to deactivate it. Which means that no one knows (except the traitor, who obviously isn't going to say a it lol x) ) what to ask Adlet for to "deactivate" the barrier. So Adlet wil ljust have to say he doesn't now how to do it, and they're stuck because they don't know either and will just think he's pretending not to know the process he needs to to deactivate the barrier. So no, proving Adlet's innocence isn't easy at all. |
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