Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (TV) 2nd Season Episode 11 Discussion

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Comic_Sans said:

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Well in the novel it had a trafficking sub plot (thus linking it to KNK3) and gave godot word more explanation apparently.

Well, I've only read small bits from KnK 6, so I can't really judge, but it definitely didn't seem much better

mira-nyan said:
>Iri
>Saber
>Waver
>Illya
>Maiya.

Knk only has 2. FZ has 5. :I

But incest automatically makes something 843 % more moe

Knk 6 wasn't the best part of the novels already, and the film left out the few interesting things, for more Moe siscon...

Jun 13, 2015 5:10 PM

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Gilgamesh flawless like always. So sad that plotnojutsu is soon to happen in their fight =/

I love my gurlz

Jun 13, 2015 5:10 PM

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Comic_Sans said:
Miura? Fucking up KnK 6? It's not Miura's fault that Nasu wrote a story about a sister wanting to fuck her big bro

Sure but it's his fault everything else in the story was bad.

Jun 13, 2015 5:14 PM

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Saber vs Assassin was pretty dull, but other than that this was alright. I feel like the next episode is gonna pick a poor place to end though.

Jun 13, 2015 5:25 PM

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Comic_Sans said:
Miura? Fucking up KnK 6? It's not Miura's fault that Nasu wrote a story about a sister wanting to fuck her big bro

Have you actually read Oblivion Recording? Also I'd like to think the below average adaptation of 6 is a necessary evil. Had 6 been properly animated, It probably would have slashed some of 7's Budget.

Jun 13, 2015 5:36 PM

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Why so much hate for UBW? Sure, Fate/Zero was better but this is still good. In my opinion, it's better than most of the recent anime. From winter and spring. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the shows the past two seasons. But comparatively, it's better than most of them.

Jun 13, 2015 5:46 PM

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2/5.
Aside from Gil vs Shirou (specifically when Shirou started copying), nothing else was notable. In fact, this was downright underwhelming. Especially the fight between Saber and Assassin. That grail hand was also.......ugh.

At least, it's pretty much confirmed that Shirou won't scream his "enough weapons" line like an idiot next episode. But he DID come close to it, judging from the preview

Jun 13, 2015 5:50 PM

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I guess I can say with confidence now: The opinions are mixed, be it VN readers or AOs, although AOs seem a little bit more positive overall.

Jun 13, 2015 5:50 PM

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AnimeFanJoe123 said:
Why so much hate for UBW? Sure, Fate/Zero was better but this is still good. In my opinion, it's better than most of the recent anime. From winter and spring. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the shows the past two seasons. But comparatively, it's better than most of them.

There is so much hate for two reasons :

- Fate/Zero was so much better
- The Visual Novel, UBW route, was really good
- Ufotable is awesome

So, even if we didn't necessarily wanted something as good as Fate/zero, we had some reasons to hope that this anime would be great. But it turned to be just bellow average as you said, with a lot of pacing problems. More than the quality of the anime itself, it's the disappointment that brings so much hate.

(Sorry for my broken english >w<')

EDIT : Not only my English is bad, but I'm bad at basic maths as well.

Jun 13, 2015 5:52 PM

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Z4k said:

xenovibe said:

Well to be fair, the FSN franchise at least has some merit to it, something which I can't say for the entirety of the Tokyo Ghoul series. Both fanbase are almost equally as obnoxious though, with the TG fanboys being only slightly worse imo.

Really? I don't recall attacking someone's preference just because they don't like the adaptation unlike a certain someone.

Who said anything about attacking anybody's preference? I was just voicing my opinion and disappointment, just like you're doing. This is a discussion forum, if you can't comprehend that there are people with different views than yours, you probably should refrain from going on here in the first place. Cartoons sure are a serious business nowadays for some folks...

FanEu said:
Says the one with LotGH in his favourites whose fans think watching it makes them smart

What can I say, I simply enjoy shows with great writing and intriguing characters and the space opera setting is right up my alley.

Jun 13, 2015 5:54 PM

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Krovarion said:

AnimeFanJoe123 said:
Why so much hate for UBW? Sure, Fate/Zero was better but this is still good. In my opinion, it's better than most of the recent anime. From winter and spring. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the shows the past two seasons. But comparatively, it's better than most of them.

There is so much hate for two reasons :

- Fate/Zero was so much better
- The Visual Novel, UBW route, was really good
- Ufotable is awesome

So, even if we didn't necessarily wanted something as good as Fate/zero, we had some reasons to hope that this anime would be great. But it turned to be just bellow average as you said, with a lot of pacing problems. More than the quality of the anime itself, it's the disappointment that brings so much hate.

(Sorry for my broken english >w<')

EDIT : Not only my English is bad, but I'm bad at basic maths as well.

But even if it is a disappointment from an adaption stand point, it is still better than most of the other anime.

Jun 13, 2015 6:01 PM

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AnimeFanJoe123 said:

But even if it is a disappointment from an adaption stand point, it is still better than most of the other anime.

Yep, you're right, but everyone become quite irrational when disappointed.

Just image that you waited to eat something for months, but then, when you taste it, it's just... Meh. Not bad, but clearly not awesome.

Well, you will get a far worse experience while eating it that if you had never heard of it, and then just ate something not bad.

Jun 13, 2015 6:04 PM

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AnimeFanJoe123 said:
Why so much hate for UBW? Sure, Fate/Zero was better but this is still good. In my opinion, it's better than most of the recent anime. From winter and spring. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the shows the past two seasons. But comparatively, it's better than most of them.

Because the fandom had to deal with a mediocre "Deen" adaptation and the bad image that it gave to the anime-comunity for years. A study by the name of UFOTABLE came and did a great adaptation of Kara no Kyoukai, another work by the author of fate (something that giving Nasu's writting is not easy), years later they animated Fate/Zero and did a good job. When this series was announced the hype of the fandom couldn't be contained, and that lead to this disappointment when thing were done in a half-assed way.

The thing is, adapting a VN is not easy, adapting something written by Nasu is even harder given his writting style and the length of his works. A good adaptation would require the staff to have a concrete idea of what they need to show and how to show it, it would require time and talent to portray things visually in a good way. But apparently that much effort is unnecessary when you can put all your efforts and resources into a good "animation" and still earn a big profit.

This is not a bad anime, is ok, even "good", it's just not good enough.

Jun 13, 2015 6:04 PM

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RIP Assasin

Shirou OMG

Jun 13, 2015 6:06 PM

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Explosions were so unexciting and ugly, seriously.

日本人はイッちゃってるよ
あいつら未来に生きてんな

Jun 13, 2015 6:06 PM

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I thought this episode was great.

Come VN elitists, do you have enough salt in stock?

Jun 13, 2015 6:21 PM

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xCrazyChris11x said:
I thought this episode was great.

Come VN elitists, do you have enough salt in stock?

Do not worry : Unlimited Salt Works.

This episode was kinda boring though, especially the Saber vs Assassin part, but everyone has their own taste I suppose.

Jun 13, 2015 6:25 PM

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Krovarion said:

xCrazyChris11x said:
I thought this episode was great.

Come VN elitists, do you have enough salt in stock?

Do not worry : Unlimited Salt Works.

This episode was kinda boring though, especially the Saber vs Assassin part, but everyone has their own taste I suppose.

Nobody liked that part, it's not even a matter of taste.

Jun 13, 2015 6:30 PM

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KamiCity said:

Darkmoq said:

I single movie would be a nightmare disaster. Plus, Cooking Priest would have a heart attack and ufotable would have his blood on their hands.

Cooking Priest hates Sakura though, so he'd probably rejoice a bit.

lel Fai wants HF to be a disaster since UBW was weak...

Jun 13, 2015 6:30 PM

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Nice to see the Assassin's flashback.

Saber finally defeated Assassin.

Jun 13, 2015 6:32 PM

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fst said:
Nobody liked that part, it's not even a matter of taste.

I'm sure someone liked the fight. Shit taste aside

Jun 13, 2015 6:36 PM

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fst said:

Krovarion said:

Do not worry : Unlimited Salt Works.

This episode was kinda boring though, especially the Saber vs Assassin part, but everyone has their own taste I suppose.

Nobody liked that part, it's not even a matter of taste.

What's not to like about slow-mo Tsubame Gaeshi? Thought that was awesome.

Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime?

Jun 13, 2015 6:37 PM

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Comic_Sans said:
Miura? Fucking up KnK 6? It's not Miura's fault that Nasu wrote a story about a sister wanting to fuck her big bro

Have you actually read Oblivion Recording? Also I'd like to think the below average adaptation of 6 is a necessary evil. Had 6 been properly animated, It probably would have slashed some of 7's Budget.

Guess I'll just quote

Well, I've only read small bits from KnK 6, so I can't really judge, but it definitely didn't seem much better

bobzanny said:
What's not to like about slow-mo Tsubame Gaeshi? Thought that was awesome.

... Are you serious?

Nico- said:
@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite

Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained

Jun 13, 2015 6:38 PM

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VarunaBles said:

fst said:
Nobody liked that part, it's not even a matter of taste.

I'm sure someone liked the fight. Shit taste aside

Well I guess

I mean, there are people who think the last 2 episodes of Owari no Seraph had good animation....

Jun 13, 2015 6:53 PM

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Why do the opinions on this episode differ so much on here from reddit? Most people say this episode is bad here , but on reddit they are all saying its amazing.

Jun 13, 2015 6:53 PM

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Maloghurst said:

KamiCity said:

Cooking Priest hates Sakura though, so he'd probably rejoice a bit.

lel Fai wants HF to be a disaster since UBW was weak...

He'll think it's a disaster no matter what.

Jun 13, 2015 6:54 PM

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When this is all over Shirou can pursue his career in China.

Jun 13, 2015 6:56 PM

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Omegadark said:
Why do the opinions on this episode differ so much on here from reddit? Most people say this episode is bad here , but on reddit they are all saying its amazing.

If I was to take a stab at it, it's probably because of the system reddit uses and the amount of people that are VN Purists here.
Look at the current poll, for every 5 people who enjoyed the episode there's 1 person who disliked it. Plus people who are angry with the show tend to make more comments and rally up their crowds while people who enjoy the show tend to say their thoughts and leave.

Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime?

Jun 13, 2015 7:03 PM

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Vellamo said:
When this is all over Shirou can pursue his career in China.

top kek

Jun 13, 2015 7:04 PM

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Eh. Saber v Assassin was lackluster, Gil v Shirou was okay. I do think the first season was the better season, and at this point I think I can stand by that, since there's only two episodes of content left and I know what happens from the VN.

The salt flows, as always. Gotta love it. I don't really know what people expected out of this adaptation, but as usual, expectations were too high. I think it will come in right below what I expected, so I'm not too angry.

To those who bash the VN without reading it, I'd say your opinion doesn't carry a lot of weight. I'm not saying you'd read the VN and do a complete 180, but the difference in mediums is pretty important, I think, and I'd consider the VN to be a better VN than the anime is an anime, if you get my meaning.

Jun 13, 2015 7:26 PM

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Omegadark said:
Why do the opinions on this episode differ so much on here from reddit? Most people say this episode is bad here , but on reddit they are all saying its amazing.

The only thing I'd change in this episode is extend Saber vs Assassin a little and briefly explain Saber's intuition allowed her to notice a blind spot in Assassin's noble phantasm. I wouldn't want to remove anything though - except for the OP. That probably would have sufficed, otherwise the time constraint would be an issue.

Just showing that she wasn't fighting with all she had at first and then briefly mentioning his blind spot would have been more than enough. The top notch animation far outweighs any issues with the episode length in my opinion. Everything looked incredibly beautiful this episode. Not even anime movies have this much quality when it comes to special effects, let alone a regular episode. Several people here have started to take for granted everything Ufotable gets right, and expect perfection at this point.

Jun 13, 2015 7:34 PM

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Krovarion said:

There is so much hate for two reasons :

- Fate/Zero was so much better
- The Visual Novel, UBW route, was really good
- Ufotable is awesome
[...]
EDIT : Not only my English is bad, but I'm bad at basic maths as well.

Yea lol

GreenSnow said:

AnimeFanJoe123 said:
Why so much hate for UBW? Sure, Fate/Zero was better but this is still good. In my opinion, it's better than most of the recent anime. From winter and spring. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the shows the past two seasons. But comparatively, it's better than most of them.

Because the fandom had to deal with a mediocre "Deen" adaptation and the bad image that it gave to the anime-comunity for years. A study by the name of UFOTABLE came and did a great adaptation of Kara no Kyoukai, another work by the author of fate (something that giving Nasu's writting is not easy), years later they animated Fate/Zero and did a good job. When this series was announced the hype of the fandom couldn't be contained, and that lead to this disappointment when thing were done in a half-assed way.

The thing is, adapting a VN is not easy, adapting something written by Nasu is even harder given his writting style and the length of his works. A good adaptation would require the staff to have a concrete idea of what they need to show and how to show it, it would require time and talent to portray things visually in a good way. But apparently that much effort is unnecessary when you can put all your efforts and resources into a good "animation" and still earn a big profit.

This is not a bad anime, is ok, even "good", it's just not good enough.

You mean... like sao?

I liked Deen, it wasn't a faithful adaptation but it was still Fate verse.
I think Ufo got pretty much most of UBW stuff well enough even though the entire UBW anime felt a bit boring something to do with the construction of each episodes, a better using of the music and adding A BIT MORE OF A TRUE FULL LENGHT EMIYA WOULD HAVE MAKE IT ALL BETTER.

F/z is a complement of fate, and addons that works quite well on its own btw, Nasu refutes words like prequel&sequel, he wants you to enjoy Fsn and Zero for what they are individually.

This episode scores further points for Gil since the last ep, lets Rejoice with him!
unlike Zero and what we could have see in previous ep the 'Mise-en-scène' of this one didn't feel right at some moment, you get what they are trying to do but the Cam' POV and stuff felt kinda awkward for me.
FakeAssassin but True story was interesting at least, with his development and Gil's one i'm reminded that all Fsn characters are all interesting and got some depth
btw didn't the quality of the animation diminished a bit since the Archer-Vs-Shirou fight?

xCrazyChris11x said:
I thought this episode was great.

Come VN elitists, do you have enough salt in stock?

lol +1

Vellamo said:
When this is all over Shirou can pursue his career in China.

lol too
That way he will save a lot of chinese children~

Damn, in fact Shirou became the embodiment of chinese industry ideals but then intoxicated by low costs, on this hill of counterfeits, in the end Archer realized he was japanese!

Jun 13, 2015 7:36 PM

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I liked the Saber vs Assasin fight.

Come at me.

Jun 13, 2015 7:39 PM

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Avok said:
I liked the Saber vs Assasin fight.

Come at me.

I bet you also like shoveling down a big bowl of bird shit even more then you like scarfing down dog shit and chicken shit with a side of piss because with bird shit, you get the piss and the shit in one convenient shitastic package.

Jun 13, 2015 7:50 PM

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Wow, what a mess, especially giant penis arm attack.

It seems like that pathetic display a couple of episodes ago was really Kirei's demise, or maybe I'm still speaking too soon. If so, I'll save my laughter.

"Let Justice Be Done!"

My Theme
Fight again, fight again for justice!

Jun 13, 2015 7:50 PM

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^^ur comment is full of shit fst

FlamepriesT said:
The only thing I'd change in this episode is extend Saber vs Assassin a little and briefly explain Saber's intuition allowed her to notice a blind spot in Assassin's noble phantasm.

Iirc didn't she make the blind spot herself intentionally?

Jun 13, 2015 7:53 PM

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WrongPriest said:
^^ur comment is full of shit fst

FlamepriesT said:
The only thing I'd change in this episode is extend Saber vs Assassin a little and briefly explain Saber's intuition allowed her to notice a blind spot in Assassin's noble phantasm.

Iirc didn't she make the blind spot herself intentionally?

pls; it also has some piss in it.

And no, Assassin intentionally blocked (instead of parrying) the blow that bent the sword in order to get into position to use Tsubame Gaeshi.