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| This ep flew by. Not much happened but still good stuff. I always enjoy the character/story discussions during the meetings. Ema x hamster girl is sweet. Also. This is how much I like Hiraoka:  |
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DarkWolfHunter said: Miyamori looked really nice when her hair was wet. I'm not creepy, shush. Nice scenes of Aerial Girls. Aoi-chan is 11/10 adorable at all times. And yes, those scenes of Aerial Girls makes me actually want it to be a thing. Also: IsGalis said: Also, only 4 episodes left?! I hope this series gets a second season because I need to see Shizuka getting a real voice acting job and I wish I could see more from Misa (the 3D animator) too. Ah, and I love the OP sequence. Magito said: Also, Zuka-chan WHEN!?! xcess090 said: I'm just waiting for a bigger role for Zuka. L-Ryoshi said: As with everyone here, MORE ZUKA PLEASE! Nabris said: Another member for the "We Need More Zuka-chan" train. Unless they're already planning a second season, we need to see how she's been doing! Four episodes isn't a lot of time. D: Basically this. I think we've spent literally the entire run waiting and hoping to see more of Zuka-chan, so here's hoping P.A. Works finds it in their hearts to have Zuka-chan share the spotlight with her girls at least not just in the last episode. She's a main character, dammit, show her some love, please. >_<; |
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Takuan_Soho said: HachiKirra said: I don't even care about this Hiraoka guy in the first place but as soon as he rumbled about animation he made me mad. Of course there's a difference with animation done with passion, determination and hard work than a piece of effortless animation. Clearly the guy lacks common sense. Hiraoka better watch it, I don't anyone to be pessimismizing mai waifu Diesel. Nah, right now Hiraoka is the most interesting character in that he obviously has the biggest story left to tell: he is this show's Aria. Obviously got completely screwed in the past over an animation, most likely by writer of the show he was working on, this is why he is jealous of Diesel (because the script writer WANTS to work with her) and of course Miyamori. In the end, I fully envision him "starting to fly again", by working with Studio Titanic to save his episode. Nice episode, Diesel was absolutely darling, and we learn she has a bit of a dark side when it comes to her writing. Not surprising of a girl who had a "Dostoyevsky Day". Absolutely flawless post right here. I commend you for realizing what this episode was all about. If anyone regards Hiraoka's past, you see why he is such an apathetic being. He isn't like Tarou for he is a much more realistic character you'd see in the work place. I'm not defending the guy as I understand why Madoka went apeshit over his shtick, but it's only sensible to relate to the guy. And also on the possible season 2 notion, I wouldn't be surprised if this gets one considering Shirobako is an original show aside from the prequel manga and it's selling very well in Japan. |
| Why do people have such bad taste? Anime isn't subjective anymore. |
| I hope HIroka find his passion/answer just like Aria did with flying. I want to watch Aerial Girls Anime T__T |
| Hiraoka continuing to be an asshole, and Tarou continuing to be useless. Okitsu is actually a ninja. Damn. So, with only 4 episodes left, I think we can officially confirm that Zuka-chan is the most fucked over character of both 2014 and 2015. Main character who was supposed to represent the seiyuu industry, gets fucked over with no job and no screen time. Basically a wasted character, meanwhile useless Tarou makes it into every fucking episode. She's like this show's Root A Kaneki: Listed as a main character but fucked over as a supporting character. |
| Jonesy974 said: Zuka-chan is the most f****d over character of both 2014 and 2015. Main character who was supposed to represent the seiyuu industry, gets f****d over with no job and no screen time. ... Listed as a main character but f****d over as a supporting character. Yes, it's weird in an obvious way that all viewers are going to notice. My initial guess was that Haruka Chisuga (千菅春香) might have been having health problems or personal/family problems. Apparently, she does not have a Twitter account, and Twitter accounts are often very good barometers of what is going on in a celebrity's life. However, Chisuga-san does have her own official blog here:. . http://ameblo.jp/chisuga-haruka/ It is clear that she has been updating her blog very regularly, and the length of her posts is fairly consistent. She normally doesn't go more than four days between posts. She even went all the way through the New Year holidays making posts every two days. This all points to good news in terms of any worries about her health and so on. I guess that one possibility is that the final four episodes of Shirobako will focus exclusively on Chisuga-san, and that this was what Director Tsutomu Mizushima had been planning all along. But this doesn't sound too plausible to me. Much more likely, something else is wrong, such as a business dispute between Chisuga-san's management company (FlyingDog, Inc.) and P.A.WORKS Co. Ltd.  In case the above image failed to display, or for a higher-resolution image, please click on the link below: http://s.okmusic.jp/news_images/images/38386/original.jpg |
okanaganMar 1, 2015 4:04 PM
| People sort of forgetting that Misa had the least screentime than Shizuka in terms of "main character" status. After her mini arc finished, we didn't see much of her. But I can't blame them for not appearing much since they are working outside of Musashino Animation, which is focused more. Also, the story doesn't allow for them to be included unless it will be important to the overall plot. Hopefully, we can only wait for their time to shine in these last four episodes or until a second 2-cour season has been greenlit. |
zenjamibuMar 1, 2015 7:26 PM
| zenjamibu said: People sort of forgetting that Misa had the least screentime than Shizuka in terms of "main character" status. After her mini arc finished, we didn't see much of her. Woops. Thanks. That's a good point which I had overlooked. Back in August, before the series started, P. A. Works put out some official advance information. This was a basis for some anime industry magazine articles. Here are five of them, all published around August 18th, 2014: (These ones are all in Japanese.) http://animeanime.jp/article/2014/08/18/19860.html http://www.animate.tv/news/details.php?id=1408358923 http://www.lisani.jp/news/id98412 http://purisoku.com/archives/7468801.html https://akiba-souken.com/article/21168/ P. A. Works announced the series genre is an "anime industry ensemble drama" (作品ジャンルは“アニメ業界群像劇”). This is stated in all of those magazine articles. Here, 群 means "a group" or "a crowd". So it is not simply a standard "drama". An "Ensemble Drama" is a type of story which in English is described as a dramatic story with an "Ensemble Cast". See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensemble_cast A distinctive feature of an "Ensemble Cast" is that there is not a single main character. As the Wikipedia article says, "the unification of different plot lines and character arcs is a key characteristic of ensemble casting in film; whether it's a location, event, or an overarching theme that ties the film and characters together." If you go to the official webpage for the series, there is a page which shows all of the main characters. There are currently 31 of them. This list has been extended as the series has gone on. See here: http://shirobako-anime.com/character.html Therefore, in terms of the official technical classification of the story type according to P. A. Works, there are not meant to be any main characters. On the other hand, the official information also says that the story is centered around five girls following their dreams. That's what it says here under "#00": http://shirobako-anime.com/story/index.html The English-language magazine "Tokyo Otaku Mode" translated the genre of the series as “anime industry drama”, apparently omitting the 群 concept. http://otakumode.com/news/53f31f845fb0162171402d64/ This French-language anime magazine stated that the genre is "Tranche de vie, Comédie". (Slice of Life, Comedy) http://adala-news.fr/2014/08/lanime-shirobako-en-promotion-video/ - - - - - - - While I was searching for information about this, I came across something else of interest that was revealed in a Tweet by Tsutomu Mizushima last August: http://seventhstyle.com/2014/08/28/shirobako-will-have-no-pantsu/ |
okanaganMar 1, 2015 11:17 PM
| Ah, Madoka finally told Hiraoka what we've all thought so far... And it seems to have worked, as surprising as it may seem, probably thanks to the talk with the president later. Hiraoka actually seems to be starting to improve in the end. Let's hope it'll last - as much as I've disliked the guy so far, that would not be a bad way for this to end at all. |
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HachiKirra said: I don't even care about this Hiraoka guy in the first place but as soon as he rumbled about animation he made me mad. Of course there's a difference with animation done with passion, determination and hard work than a piece of effortless animation. Clearly the guy lacks common sense. But his point is pretty valid. The problem wasn't with what he said but rather with how he said it. The main issue here is that they are extremely tight on schedule and Madoka asked for a retake of a scene that was completely unneeded. The final result wouldn't have been noticeable and the time could have been used to work on something that would actually matter. I don't think that either Madoka or Hiraoka is wrong here. If you allow mistake in your work and start being satisfied with it you will undeniably lower your standard, that is true. Your lowered standard will make you satisfied with less and less so the overall quality of your work will take a hit. Nothing is perfect but that is no reason not to aim for your ideals. Still it is also true that time is lacking and continuing to fix minor details might come at the cost of other scenes. Imagine what would happen if some scenes were horrible because Madoka kept on asking retakes of other scenes that would make no difference in the final result. Could you still say that Hiraoka is wrong in addressing this problem? The problem wasn't with what Hiraoka said but with how he said it. He made it sound like doing your best and seeking to improve's one work were bad things. He's always aiming for the bare minimum but even that has some sort of merit. I believe it is wrong for a company to seek the best in their project right off the bat. They should devote themselves to make an even, solid minimum and improve over this. Yes those scenes could have been retaken but only once everything more important than this has been done. |
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| Quite a commotion & tension rising! Hiraoka still a douche! Yano won't let Iketani-san escape! While on the train Diesel is like Miyamori, imitating thoughts. Tarou is very useless happy go lucky easy to get tricked and fooled guy! In this episdoe, the last part of the ED song, only Diesel-san is missing out of all five girls. |
matias067Mar 5, 2015 9:44 AM
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| Solid episode, interesting fight. |
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MoeGod said: Glad Hiraoka got punched by somebody. The president really knows how to handle people, he's literally the perfect boss (is that even possible? lol). I'm not surprised by the vague answers that the characters provided since I also work in the animation industry (albeit mostly dealing with 3D like Misa). One thing for sure is that passion alone is not enough. I'm sure most of the people who work in this industry started out as an idealist who simply love anime and want to make one. I'm sure you can apply the same reasoning with people in game or any art-related industry for that matter. At the end of the day though, it's a very taxing industry to be in no matter what field you're focusing on. When you're constantly being chased by deadlines and moving from project to project, at some point you just don't know why you're even doing this anymore and maybe just keep going because it's your livelihood like Watanabe said. PS: EMA, WHY YOU FUGIN KAWAII? she's somehow so adorable even when sick. 100% waifu material. I want to see more Misa, since I also work in CG. It's considered a success she changed company, but is she really happy? Moving from tires to planes & more tires. CG has many more focus titles than mechanical modeller we see from Misa. The mocap vs cg animator big debate hasn't happened yet (last season op showed a mocap capture on greenscreen). There's char animator, bg/props animation, mocap TA/TD, cg layout, lighter, render/shaders, coders, effects, etc. Kunogi's 3 half words said much more than Tarou did about animator insecurity, need for respect, even though they've dirt cheap wage, animation quality shows through and affects the viewer, errors give studios longterm bad reputation (boingboing, OreTwintail, log horizon). Somehow I love the conversations (read: translation) between Kunogi & Ema. okanagan said:  Okitsu is badass. Long time ago I used to use cheap acrylic animation peg bars. Their flimsy & rounded. But the aluminum kind we borrowed at school was razor thin and quite...deadly. |
| Imai has good voice-acting potential. Wow that was intense. Meanwhile Tarou is just there, all like, "Did you call?" What a way to ruin the atmosphere. Okitsu is badass! Hiraoka actually apologized. Don't agree with him when he says that passion and determination is never noticed. Not everyone might but some are bound to notice. Besides, ain't that just a form of you showing satisfaction with your work? I think that's more important. Hiraoka and Tarou is going to be a funny duo. Why do they use such super-squeaky loli voices which don't even suit the characters? Titiana, I am looking at you. From her character design, a tad lower voice would have sufficed a lot better. Diesel is lovable, I love how she isn't backing down. Great episode. |
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| This anime is so fantastic. Captures the situations so well and you can clearly see how it creates the state of mind of the characters. Very underrated. I am beginning to think this will be one of the gems that anime fans will miss out. |
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| lol im surprise that Hiraoko guy is still not fired despite all he has done |
| get rekt, hiraoka |
| Pretty solid episode! That fight though! Let's see what's next. |
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| Convincing to the end this episode, this series is always enjoyable to follow, even when you're not in the right psychological condition; because it manages to create the right atmosphere. What sorrow to part from it. The clever idea to reuse the argument as to why a person does what he does to deepen the character of Hiraoka; one of the least depth so far. As performance is not bad storytelling, thanks to the small parenthesis "reflection" between Madoka and Daisuke, the comedy of Midori and choice scenic date to end the anime of the Third Squadron. Drawings that this time they are not exempt from small drops of quality, oh well! There would be another matter to do, but cut short and close here the topic. Very good TV series, I want more and more. |
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| Okitsu-san was so cool and badass! Nice job stopping the fight. Poor Iketani. Yano-san wouldn't let him slack off or run away. xD Nice and interesting episode all in all. I wonder how Aria's story will end. |
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| I dunno... company infight was interesting topic and Midori's trying to purse her dreams even further was nice, even her problem with Hiraoka (srsly, fire that man out already) but that cow ending was like slap on the face, far from ideal. I hoped they (MusAni/PA) could do something more impactful, meaningful and better. |
| Diesel-san is the best <3 |
| So apparently there aren't any fights in girl schools and they make up with steamed buns or donuts whenever they have a disagreement. Seems legit. The last scene with Miyamori sounds like she was talking about herself. |
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| Why work in anime industry when you hate it so much. Hiraoka should just work at some fast food place, probably would earn more too while getting spit in the face by customers. What happened to suzuka... |
ninja88880Aug 15, 2015 8:35 PM
| everyone, I have an important and urgent announcement to make!!! I think I'm in love with Ema. |
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| why was that pilot talking about calves and amniotic fluid. lmao. that argument was a long time coming. |
| badass ranking: 1. okitsu 2. yano 3. ema (for being able to f*king decrypt whatever the heck kunogi is saying o_O") i think at this point in the series they should be coming close to a conclusion of some sort, but i still see many potential character developments. Sucks that the focus is lost on zuka and misa, they are more minor characters than a lot of the supposed 'minor characters' :/ hope they somehow wrap this up without losing what i had hoped for in the first episode |
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ramenshoujo said: This ep flew by. Not much happened but still good stuff. I always enjoy the character/story discussions during the meetings. Ema x hamster girl is sweet. Also. This is how much I like Hiraoka: "My life is shit so I act like shit." |
I almost never read discussions after I made my post, if you want to reply PM me or post on my profile page. |
| Fuck Hiraoka. |
| Hiraoka can really a pain in the back... =_= Diesel-san is at top speed! Emma is as adorable as always Yano is... always watching you! The fight scene was really good, and funny! I'm gonna miss this anime when it's over =( I mean, it's so great. Why you do what you do? That a question we don't usually make ourself. Because of money? Because you are good at it? Because you like it? Because you LOVE it? This anime gets you in different ways. |
| Brawl is here!! LOL. Maybe P.A. will show the past of Hiraoka. If I am the employee of Musani, the reason will be because I love animu!!! Also want to spread the greatness of anime to the world more than ever. 2.75/5 |
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| The closest thing I have to a major criticism of this anime, is I find it has so many characters its five main leads who I quite enjoy sometimes get lost in all the pandemonium. Miyamori as the protagonist gets plenty of screentime, and as part of the Musashi Studio I think we've seen a satisfactory amount of Ema as well. But in the first cour, I wanted to see more of the other three. That being said this episode gave us quite a bit of Rii-chan and it was wonderful. Since she's also joined Musashi this cour we've seen more of her in general in a supporting role. But here we see real progress in her dreams to be a writer. I loved the slightly puzzling opening scene where she's doing a writing exercise given by Maitake. Her eagerness to learn from him and annoying him by calling him master was cute too. I also was once again struck by how relatable Rii-chan can be, I loved her little speech about how she NEEDS stories and wants to make them as well. Many of us who are commenting in a thread on an anime episode can I'm sure relate. Her biggest scene of the episode was getting shit on by Hiraoka though. His comments were spiteful, her reaction was very natural (I particularly loved her dejectedly giving voices to her fellow train travelers) and I was happy when she stood up for herself at the end and told him off. Hiraoka had a lot going on this episode. After continuing to be the most difficult and unlikable person at Musashino (at least Tarou means well in his misguided way) animator Madoka calls him out for being a lazy, mopey and uncooperative co worker. This leads to a fist fight which shakes things up at the studio. As I said in a previous post I kind of expected Hiraoka to be like the quiet savante of this season. And I've enjoyed that rather than that he's had his smug attitude thrown back in his face for the last two episodes. Marukawa's comment "You wouldn't get angry if it wasn't true" was particularly cutting. I also thought it was funny Tarou and the Director described the fight in the same way. On a final note, from day one there's been the ever growing subtext that Aoi lacks a sense of purpose despite being passionate about making an anime with her friends. It's been a little overwrought as a whole but it's wrung true enough to anyone who's had existential thoughts that I didn't mind. Here it was brought to the forefront which felt natural as we near the end of the series. Maitake asks Aoi at a production meeting, why does she make anime? Aoi of course is unable to answer but we end up in an extended segment getting an answer from nearly everyone who works at the studio. It was a moving sequence, and many of the answers were thought provoking (quite a few were also funny), it was a great sequence and I look forward to seeing what answer Aoi comes up with in these last four episodes. |
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| -Midori doing what seems to be brainstorming about coffee -Director's as carefree as always, making anime for the hell of it -Turns out Midori's pursuing her dream of becoming a writer while working for MusAni -Those were some pretty lackluster portmanteau translations with Crunchy's subs -Erika's reason was pretty expertly delivered -Yamada the existentialist or whatever they're called -Kinda strange that the Iketani guy is being used for comic relief -That sleeping guy looked really freaked out by Midori's scenario brainstorming -Looks like Midori took what Hiraoka said seriously -Altercation between Hiraoka and Madoka was bound to happen eventually, and serious Okitsu makes a return -Marukawa paying attention to his employees as always -Kunogi was the last person I expected to talk back to Hiraoka -Midori's getting some pretty good learning opportunities, at least, despite the fact that they used nothing she wrote -Misa gets the spotlight in the ED, despite the bottom color trail being green, which was weird This episode was okay. Only one notable thing really happened. |
ThreePercentJul 24, 2016 10:01 PM
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| Man, I'm currently in my final stages of college and I can totally relate to Miyamori's internal struggle. Constantly questioning your life decisions and never feeling justified really sucks...Meanwhile, everyone around you seems to have hit their stride and are doing the things they love, and have a clear idea of their future... |
| That dialogue at the end.....*vomits. |
| Being from Texas, I was kind of excited when one of the aerial girl pilots talked about returning to Texas. Then she started talking about delivering baby calves and living on a ranch and stuff (because everyone from Texas must ride horses and lives on a ranch and spend time delivering livestock...). Sigh, I've never even touched a horse...or a cow for that matter. Some of us Texan folk are actual city-dwellers! Oh well, still an enjoyable episode! |
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Thanks for the save Okitsu. Quick Fun Fact :- Mai Nakahara, the voice actor of Yuka Okitsu, also voiced Dan Fei in Thunderbolt Fantasy, Megumi Fujita in Sakamoto Desu Ga?, Rena Ryugu in Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni, and Nagisa Furukawa in Clannad. |
SirKnight007Oct 17, 2016 11:32 PM
ONWARDS! Away from homework and on to more anime!!! |
| Gosh, not only is Hiraoka a total jerk, but he's a sexist pig too -_- It would be one thing if he was just an asshole and was doing properly his job, but he's half-assed even about it! I seriously doubt he can change in any way with this attitude, sigh. |
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| 5/5 About damn time... Diesel-san is so funny and cute especially in the train scene , i also really like her voice. That fight though, about damn time Hiraoka get some criticism about how he act and work. The moment when Tarou is about to get hit, i get a flashback of Another lol. |
| The things Hiraoka said to Imai when they bumped into each other came out of no where and was absolutely unnecessary. Idk how some people can live their lives with constant negative thoughts like that. I love how Taoru just nonchalantly walked in on the fight when his name was called 😂 I really disliked him at the start of the show, but he's grown on me. Well that's probably because he's not screwing everything up anymore haha. The relationship of how Ema can understand Ai when she never finishes her words is adorable and great to watch :) |
| Very rarely do I get so attached/want to protect anime characters who aren't cute, vulnerable girls, but pls do not bully the director. "Must be nice being a girl." Must be nice being a piece of shit, Hiraoka. I'm really glad someone called him out on it, though I don't really see him changing. He did apologize but has the same "whatever" attitude as always. |
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