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hyperknees91 said: AzuStar said: no the Stress that he experienced from killing people in game did affect him. you can see how it has affected him in the anime. it's just that it couldn't have been post traumatic stress because the event wasn't over yet. he doesn't confuse reality w/ virtual, as he knows the difference. i think you are just confused on Kirito's morals on the subject. and also fight people for fun =/= Killing them for real. Except that's my complaint. There was no implied stress that he experienced from killing people. It just kinda popped up again with no proper build up. And yeah he kinda does. He thinks of Yui as his actual daughter, he tried to solve his conflict with Suguha by having her stab him with a sword, the whole thing about saving NPCs and saving the mob in ALO. Now I just write them off as unexplained actions most of the time, but given what he constantly says, he probably does confuse the two. Uhhh... ? In my opinion, that quote is just like saying "give a man a mask, and he'll show you who he really is", since noone knows who you are, you're free to act as you want to, red players are just murderers that didn't have the courage to do it irl. Yeah that kinda implies confusing games with reality. This is like saying a guy who goes crazy in GTA to have fun is no better then a criminal. Or like saying that if IRL you actually have murderous tendencies you will prefer go on and kill people Though I wouldn´t apply it to videogames now since we still don´t have something where you actually play, we control an OP MC through multiple levels/dungeons/maps and make him kill another 3d models We are not "inside". I would apply the phrase of Kirito now just to social networks, you know... All those bullying stories... |
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Or like saying that if IRL you actually have murderous tendencies you will prefer go on and kill people Though I wouldn´t apply it to videogames now since we still don´t have something where you actually play, we control an OP MC through multiple levels/dungeons/maps and make him kill another 3d models We are not "inside". I would apply the phrase of Kirito now just to social networks, you know... All those bullying stories... Possibly but the author is a little too heavily reliant on the whole "We don't have anything like it" approach if that's the case. Still I feel that's not really the case and he is just making blunt statements with little thought put into it. |
hyperknees91 said: Or like saying that if IRL you actually have murderous tendencies you will prefer go on and kill people Though I wouldn´t apply it to videogames now since we still don´t have something where you actually play, we control an OP MC through multiple levels/dungeons/maps and make him kill another 3d models We are not "inside". I would apply the phrase of Kirito now just to social networks, you know... All those bullying stories... Possibly but the author is a little too heavily reliant on the whole "We don't have anything like it" approach if that's the case. Still I feel that's not really the case and he is just making blunt statements with little thought put into it. Well The author is a gamer, so I think he actually gets to the point of "We got no stuff like that" given the fact that he plays COD (what do you do in COD if not to kill newbs, quickscope and stuff?) We would need him to clear that part tho xD And well... He wouldn´t be the first one on being "We got no stuff like that", I remember that Verne used to think we could get to the moon in a conical bullet and that there were tobacco algae (hope we get them xD) |
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| Is it my imagination, or does 25 minutes pass like it's just ten in this series? Each episode seems to whiz by, but when I look at the clock, 25 minutes have passed already! Last time I experienced the "time dilation" was in 1988, playing Myst. Scary. SAO II is not disappointing so far. Hope they can keep the momentum! |
hyperknees91 said: Except that's my complaint. There was no implied stress that he experienced from killing people. It just kinda popped up again with no proper build up. No,there is. when we actually see him kill someone, we do see his vulnerable side, its just that Asuna is able to lower his stress and calm him down. she also takes him away from the problem and continues to keep him comfortable. and the reason we don't see this implied stress as much as now is because of two things 1. How PTSD works. the affects of this stress don't truly begin to take over until after certain event. For Kirito's that was the Game of aincrad and Asuna retrieval. until these events were cleared, his mind would still be in the game, hence PTSD wouldn't occur yet (his stress wouldn't fully activate) 2. His trigger. as we can see here, his triggers as of now seem to be linked to the laughing coffin guild. Until now,they haven't really appeared before Kirito in some way since Aincrad. hyperknees91 said: And yeah he kinda does. He thinks of Yui as his actual daughter well they weren't aware for her being just code when they were raising her, which means they would grow attachment easier. plus, she act/responds to everything like a sentient being. its already established that she has a will of her own too. hyperknees91 said: he tried to solve his conflict with Suguha by having her stab him with a sword i don't see how that would matter in this situation. in fact that should show that he doesn't get the virtual world confused with the real world since getting stabbed in the real word is a big problem plus, his ultimate point in that duel was to let Suguha win. hyperknees91 said: the whole thing about saving NPCs and saving the mob in ALO. Now I just write them off as unexplained actions most of the time, but given what he constantly says, he probably does confuse the two. that was a part of his principle. |
No,there is. when we actually see him kill someone, we do see his vulnerable side, its just that Asuna is able to lower his stress and calm him down. she also takes him away from the problem and continues to keep him comfortable. and the reason we don't see this implied stress as much as now is because of two things 1. How PTSD works. the affects of this stress don't truly begin to take over until after certain event. For Kirito's that was the Game of aincrad and Asuna retrieval. until these events were cleared, his mind would still be in the game, hence PTSD wouldn't occur yet (his stress wouldn't fully activate) 2. His trigger. as we can see here, his triggers as of now seem to be linked to the laughing coffin guild. Until now,they haven't really appeared before Kirito in some way since Aincrad. Not really. He seems pretty chill after he kills him. I don't think the make out scene implied vulnerability as much as he was just trying to comfort Asuna because she comforted him earlier in the episode. And regardless, it was pretty much never brought up again after that. Which is very strange considering it was a pretty extreme event. You gotta remember, Kirito is an extremely introverted, socially awkward, young teen. There is no way this couldn't have any apparent affect on him just because he had his gf with him. 1. Like said, he seemed to suffer from guilt complex completely after killing his guild killed. The show showed many signs of this. However the complaint I have is that he doesn't even seem to mind he killed people until now. This doesn't make sense with the kind of character Kirito is as all considering he is mr insecurity blanket. 2. My problem is the trigger shouldn't have come from just the laughing coffin guild. Sure those are who he's killed, but like said, Kirito has reality and gaming confused. He seems to enjoy fighting for the most part (he even comments that he "loses" himself, when he fights). So it seemed like the PTSD completely contradicts this. Plus in ALO he still was very much interested in it as a game and would do things that would go against searching for Asuna because he was just interested in it like that. I don't think he really looked at ALO the same way as Aincrad the way you said he did. Now I very much doubt we could even qualify what Kirito has as PTSD as much as guilt. I'm guessing he'll get over it too quickly for it to be qualified as such but we'll see what the author does. well they weren't aware for her being just code when they were raising her, which means they would grow attachment easier. plus, she act/responds to everything like a sentient being. its already established that she has a will of her own too. I'd like to see what Kirito does when he has an actual daughter in this case. Wonder if he would be torn between the two. i don't see how that would matter in this situation. in fact that should show that he doesn't get the virtual world confused with the real world since getting stabbed in the real word is a big problem plus, his ultimate point in that duel was to let Suguha win. Because it was an insane way to handle the situation mainly. Why not just do that in real life? They have a dojo. Why not just talk to each other? Basically the fact he used the game to try and solve their problem in an absolutely insane fashion was what makes me question Kirito's view on games. (This whole scene was of course, the dumbest part of that arc). that was a part of his principle. Yes the fact that he has principles over such things is why he is dillusional. |
hyperknees91Aug 11, 2014 10:54 PM
TheCyclon said: Welp, looks like Kirito is instantly the strongest player in the game... again. Some action scenes are pretty cool but sadly they only last for a few seconds. And the story doesn't seem that interesting. And where did all the fun characters from sao 1 go? Basically Sinon didn't only replace Asuna, she replaced all the other important characters. No, he should learn every new MMO and struggle with every single ''monster'' over and over again while we get Naruto flashbacks of getting your ass kicked, training and then kicking ass.. |
Fai said: Reyxe said: ¿? as it MIGHT be true, he went there along with Asuna and Kirito, so he MIGHT be alive. NOTE: I can't give any details about Kayaba since it would be a spoiler, he might or might not be alive as current SAO2 story. |
hyperknees91 said: AzuStar said: No,there is. when we actually see him kill someone, we do see his vulnerable side, its just that Asuna is able to lower his stress and calm him down. she also takes him away from the problem and continues to keep him comfortable. and the reason we don't see this implied stress as much as now is because of two things 1. How PTSD works. the affects of this stress don't truly begin to take over until after certain event. For Kirito's that was the Game of aincrad and Asuna retrieval. until these events were cleared, his mind would still be in the game, hence PTSD wouldn't occur yet (his stress wouldn't fully activate) 2. His trigger. as we can see here, his triggers as of now seem to be linked to the laughing coffin guild. Until now,they haven't really appeared before Kirito in some way since Aincrad. Not really. He seems pretty chill after he kills him. I don't think the make out scene implied vulnerability as much as he was just trying to comfort Asuna because she comforted him earlier in the episode. And regardless, it was pretty much never brought up again after that. Which is very strange considering it was a pretty extreme event.[/quote] i think you have forgotten that the whole reason they decided to go on leave was because of that incident. the extreme event is the cause of their decision to take some days off and resign to an extremely different atmosphere. in this new new atmosphere, they are trying to distance themselves from the extreme event so of course they would try to not bring it up afterward. as for "Killing" in ALO, you have to remember that even though he took every battle seriously, those situations were drastically different from the Laughing coffin situation. instead of sad battles of mindless death, they were either duels between two worthy opponents or Battles to simply further his goal with no lingering threat of actual death. he was pretty aware in ALO that no one was actually dying irl. and we must remember that PK was encouraged in ALO. hyperknees91 said: You gotta remember, Kirito is an extremely introverted, socially awkward, young teen. There is no way this couldn't have any apparent affect on him just because he had his gf with him. not really. his lack of experience with people wouldn't actually increase the level of affect the situation would have on him. if anything, it would lessen the effect it had on him. and age doesn't really matter as much as experience in the situation. since the death that happened in SAO wasn't the first one, it would make sense that he could handle it better. hyperknees91 said: 1. Like said, he seemed to suffer from guilt complex completely after killing his guild killed. The show showed many signs of this. However the complaint I have is that he doesn't even seem to mind he killed people until now. This doesn't make sense with the kind of character Kirito is as all considering he is mr insecurity blanket. 1. He has never actually killed anyone except a laughing coffin. those other "deaths" weren't deaths, just normal game mechanics where they would revive shortly, practical the same as a duel. they aren't the same as his encounters with the Laughing coffin. 2. your acting as though the only reason he experienced PTSD is because he killed. that's putting the situation way to simple. not only did he kill in cold blood but so did everyone around him. he was faced with other humans who were actively killing other humans in a game where they all should have been trying to survive. a mission where they were suppose to just gather and subdue them turned into a "bloody" mess where everyone was just killing everyone in cold blood. "Death Gun" reminded him of that low point in his experiences while also telling kirito that One of the laughing coffin could very well be there. hyperknees91 said: 2. My problem is the trigger shouldn't have come from just the laughing coffin guild. Sure those are who he's killed, but like said, Kirito has reality and gaming confused. that's only in your opinion though. hyperknees91 said: He seems to enjoy fighting for the most part (he even comments that he "loses" himself, when he fights). fighting=/=killing for realz also, that is most likely him being engrossed in the experience. it's not uncommon when your doing something you really like/love. Sometimes an artist can get engulfed in their work. and of course, Kirito always comes back after the battle if he does get in that state. hyperknees91 said: So it seemed like the PTSD completely contradicts this. Plus in ALO he still was very much interested in it as a game and would do things that would go against searching for Asuna because he was just interested in it like that. I don't think he really looked at ALO the same way as Aincrad the way you said he did. No he did. you forget that he wasn't 100% concentrated on clearing Aincrad all the time while in that death game. he was one for down time and doing miscellaneous things, even though his main goal was to complete the game (remember when he hung out in lower floors and met silica?) hyperknees91 said: Now I very much doubt we could even qualify what Kirito has as PTSD as much as guilt. I'm guessing he'll get over it too quickly for it to be qualified as such but we'll see what the author does. maybe it is guilt. but it could also be PTSD as it does fit the criteria. hyperknees91 said: I'd like to see what Kirito does when he has an actual daughter in this case. Wonder if he would be torn between the two. i don't see why he would be torn between them as he could raise them both as their own. hyperknees91 said: Because it was an insane way to handle the situation mainly. why? it's just a duel in a game. it happens all the time. hyperknees91 said: Why not just do that in real life? They have a dojo. this problem is more connected to ALO and what is happening their so it probably seemed fitting. also, duels in the real world have more of a chance to actually cause harm to the body than duels in the virtual world. hyperknees91 said: Why not just talk to each other? there was nothing much that needed to be said. Suguha knew Kirito could never accept her feelings. Kirito and Suguha said that chose to let the other win the duel because of their guilt. obviously a conversation would allow them to "win a duel" hyperknees91 said: Basically the fact he used the game to try and solve their problem in an absolutely insane fashion was what makes me question Kirito's view on games. (This whole scene was of course, the dumbest part of that arc). its seems to me that you didn't quite understand it. hyperknees91 said: Yes the fact that he has principles over such things is why he is dillusional. You haven't even tried to understand his principle. he knew they were digital code, but the principle was what they represented (as in Bystanders and civilians). it didn't feel right to him to use them as bait, as they seemed so human. (which conflicted with Asuna). maybe it's a question of priorities but not a question of what is real and what isn't. |
| Wasn't that match being broadcast to everyone lol? |
Tyestor said: Wasn't that match being broadcast to everyone lol? Pretty much, yeah. They showed people watching. |
| As always Kirito gets all the bitches *clap* *clap* |
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Caleb8980 said: Tyestor said: Wasn't that match being broadcast to everyone lol? It was but without sound as mutiple rounds are being played at the same time would make it impossible to understand anything. hyperknees91 said: Quoted several times from him that he thinks your actions in game reflect who you really are. So therefore by his logic...he enjoys beating peoples asses haha. His point is that feelings and bonds made in VR are true in RL, too. So the direct opposite to how the relation is nowadays. And seeing as you play as yourself, not as an avatar as it is right now, that isn't that far fetched. The worst that can happen is that somebody only plays his or her feelings and well that happens in real life, too, at a daily basis. Unlike games as they are now, in a VR you can't "hide" that well behind an anymous avatar as everybody can see your every action, when you start fidgeting after a certain question e. g. in VR you can see that, in MMOs today you can't. Hence the whole thing with dueling ingame. Whether you sort out a fight ingame or in RL doesn't make any difference for him. As a throwback to whole "it didn't affect him in ALO" remember him screaming: "As long as I am alive, I won't let any party members die" which is a clear crystalization that he was by no way over SAO at that point and also shows his fear to lose somebody important, even though he knew that ALO was only a game and that ingame death doesn't mean real death (which he asked Leafa about in the second episode of the ALO arc, if I recall that right). Though he did kill people pretty unhesitatingly in that arc. |
| Excellent episode. I think I may end up liking this season more than the 1st one :) |
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i think you have forgotten that the whole reason they decided to go on leave was because of that incident. the extreme event is the cause of their decision to take some days off and resign to an extremely different atmosphere. in this new new atmosphere, they are trying to distance themselves from the extreme event so of course they would try to not bring it up afterward. as for "Killing" in ALO, you have to remember that even though he took every battle seriously, those situations were drastically different from the Laughing coffin situation. instead of sad battles of mindless death, they were either duels between two worthy opponents or Battles to simply further his goal with no lingering threat of actual death. he was pretty aware in ALO that no one was actually dying irl. and we must remember that PK was encouraged in ALO. Still the effects were in no way present regardless. Like said in other posts, Kirito didn't seem too interested in getting out either. You could argue he wanted to take a break from that guild because that very same guild almost got him and Asuna killed and he really didn't want much to do with it. Yet, Sinon gets scared by finger guns, which is basically harmless as well. Perhaps their PTSD levels are different but it still begs the question on why it doesn't come across in fighting at all. not really. his lack of experience with people wouldn't actually increase the level of affect the situation would have on him. if anything, it would lessen the effect it had on him. and age doesn't really matter as much as experience in the situation. since the death that happened in SAO wasn't the first one, it would make sense that he could handle it better. murdering someone =/= having someone die around you. Heck he doesn't even handle that well as he persistantly solos because he had someone die because of him. It's not his lack of experience with people, but his base personality. This is a guy who feels guilty over just about everything. 1. He has never actually killed anyone except a laughing coffin. those other "deaths" weren't deaths, just normal game mechanics where they would revive shortly, practical the same as a duel. they aren't the same as his encounters with the Laughing coffin. 2. your acting as though the only reason he experienced PTSD is because he killed. that's putting the situation way to simple. not only did he kill in cold blood but so did everyone around him. he was faced with other humans who were actively killing other humans in a game where they all should have been trying to survive. a mission where they were suppose to just gather and subdue them turned into a "bloody" mess where everyone was just killing everyone in cold blood. "Death Gun" reminded him of that low point in his experiences while also telling kirito that One of the laughing coffin could very well be there. 1. That was my point. He didn't seem to mind he killed them until now. I didn't mean he minded killing other people in ALO (though he should've probably). 2. Even more so why the effects should have been a lot more prevalent until now. that's only in your opinion though. Obviously, I'm trying to argue why I think its lazy writing that it was never brought up or hinted at until now. fighting=/=killing for realz also, that is most likely him being engrossed in the experience. it's not uncommon when your doing something you really like/love. Sometimes an artist can get engulfed in their work. and of course, Kirito always comes back after the battle if he does get in that state. That is true, but I'm just curious on why fighting in game isn't the trigger. I mean just because a woman got raped by a man and developed a fear of men, a man =/= rapist. Just like finger guns =/= guns. Yet he actively enjoys something that contributed to his PTSD. Very strange. No he did. you forget that he wasn't 100% concentrated on clearing Aincrad all the time while in that death game. he was one for down time and doing miscellaneous things, even though his main goal was to complete the game (remember when he hung out in lower floors and met silica?) So whats it matter if he was done with Aincrad or not? It obviously wasn't as stressful for him as your implying then. Regardless Aincrad maybe it is guilt. but it could also be PTSD as it does fit the criteria. PTSD is an extreme form that has a prominent effect on your mental health. Like said we'll have to see. But all signs point to it just being guilt as it just doesn't seem that extreme, which makes our entire argument irrelevant in hindsight hah. i don't see why he would be torn between them as he could raise them both as their own. Possibly, I think the more interesting dilemma would his daughter would think her dad is weird for treating an AI the same as her. That could raise some interesting dilemmas in the future if handled well. why? it's just a duel in a game. it happens all the time. Why duel at all? What is that even going to accomplish? this problem is more connected to ALO and what is happening their so it probably seemed fitting. also, duels in the real world have more of a chance to actually cause harm to the body than duels in the virtual world. More connected to ALO? What? It's between him and Suguha. ALO is irrelevant. Also they had a duel earlier in the series in the dojo, so I doubt that was much of an issue. [ there was nothing much that needed to be said. Suguha knew Kirito could never accept her feelings. Kirito and Suguha said that chose to let the other win the duel because of their guilt. obviously a conversation would allow them to "win a duel" Yes because having a duel in an online game is surely going to help the problem. Though Suguha is just as dumb for going along with it. I think this whole scene was just insanity defined. its seems to me that you didn't quite understand it. I'd question when in where, this kind of response would ever be given to any person in response to the situation. You haven't even tried to understand his principle. he knew they were digital code, but the principle was what they represented (as in Bystanders and civilians). it didn't feel right to him to use them as bait, as they seemed so human. (which conflicted with Asuna). maybe it's a question of priorities but not a question of what is real and what isn't. And there you go. He feels like it's wrong because they seem human. That's as dillusional as you can get. Same with saving that mob against other players. The fact that he has principles against such things is what makes him seem confused. Stuff like he won't betray his comrads makes sense, because they are indeed real life people, so it makes sense to respect them. Even principles need some form of logic behind them. His point is that feelings and bonds made in VR are true in RL, too. Points to him saving and not willing to put other NPCs in danger for the sake of the greater good. Now if his point was just about bonds, that would be ok, but it's clearly not. As a throwback to whole "it didn't affect him in ALO" remember him screaming: "As long as I am alive, I won't let any party members die" which is a clear crystalization that he was by no way over SAO at that point and also shows his fear to lose somebody important, even though he knew that ALO was only a game and that ingame death doesn't mean real death (which he asked Leafa about in the second episode of the ALO arc, if I recall that right). Yet killing others in game in a brutal fashion was a ok for him. |
Insertanamehere said: Fai said: hyperknees91 said: Yet killing others in game in a brutal fashion was a ok for him. It was necessary, just like in SAO. PTSD has a word "post" for a reason. SAO did not end Kirito till he beat up Mr.CreepyGlasses. |
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deanzel said: Kirito Skywalker has fully entered God mode and is making quick work of these fools. He's playing Sinon like a fiddle. How more many episodes until Sinon is fully "trapped" by Kirito's harem/d*ck beam? It looks like it will only be a matter of time. This xD But this episode had more character development for him than all of the first season, so I was impressed. After he started trembling after meeting death gun, I was like :o Kirito has emotions?! Lol |
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It was necessary, just like in SAO. Not really. PTSD has a word "post" for a reason. SAO did not end Kirito till he beat up Mr.CreepyGlasses. Well like said we don't even know if this even qualifies as PTSD as much as plain guilt. If it goes on for awhile, then yes it is. If not then no it's not. Regardless, SAO is not the cause of his PTSD if he actually has it, killing someone is. It's not like killing people was the norm for him in that game anyway (he only killed 3, 2 by accident). I know you might equate it to a soldier going off to a war and then receiving PTSD when he comes back, but it's really not the same thing in this situation. Also it's called "post" because a person feels the same stress he felt during the situation after the fact, even if nothing is truly happening. You realize a soldier can suffer from PTSD even when he's in the middle of war right? |
hyperknees91Aug 12, 2014 8:21 AM
hyperknees91 said: It was necessary, just like in SAO. Not really. PTSD has a word "post" for a reason. SAO did not end Kirito till he beat up Mr.CreepyGlasses. Well like said we don't even know if this even qualifies as PTSD as much as plain guilt. If it goes on for awhile, then yes it is. If not then no it's not. Regardless, SAO is not the cause of his PTSD if he actually has it, killing someone is. It's not like killing people was the norm for him in that game anyway (he only killed 3, 2 by accident). I know you might equate it to a soldier going off to a war and then receiving PTSD when he comes back, but it's really not the same thing in this situation. Also it's called "post" because a person feels the same stress he felt during the situation after the fact, even if nothing is truly happening. You realize a soldier can suffer from PTSD even when he's in the middle of war right? Tho they´d be forced to keep on At least in WWII By Patton What if it was well buried? |
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Xerain said: "Those eyes...you've killed someone too? ...I think I love you." Is basically how you could summarize Sinon's thoughts. I actually like Sinon (Shino), so I was hoping they'd tone down the ShinoxKirito thing. >.> To be honest, the light novel focuses more on her fear of (hand?)guns than her feelings, which I hope the anime will follow. |
What if it was well buried? You know funny enough, They introduce Yui, who is in fact an AI Therapist. Kirito and Asuna have problems apparently, but they don't even use her for those things. Yeah I know she forgot her memories but it just seems like a waste. If they have problems, why not help address those problems with her as a character (even uncontiously you know?). As for them being well buried, I don't think Kirito is a strong enough person to do that in the first place. It would be quite noticeable if it was actually a real big problem. |
Fai said: PTSD has a word "post" for a reason. SAO did not end Kirito till he beat up Mr.CreepyGlasses. Yeah, the "post" refers to how the stress disorder takes place after the traumatic experience. Kirito's traumatic experience was killing people, not being stuck in Sword Art Online. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Fai said: Actually, whoever said that was completely wrong, because Alicization is easily the best part of SAO, better than Mother's Rosario. |
Insertanamehere said: Fai said: Actually, whoever said that was completely wrong, because Alicization is easily the best part of SAO, better than Mother's Rosario. I would rate Alicization as first, then PB or MR as second/third, then SAO and ALO [not counting E&L since its just side stories] |
Sapewloth said: Fai said: PTSD has a word "post" for a reason. SAO did not end Kirito till he beat up Mr.CreepyGlasses. Yeah, the "post" refers to how the stress disorder takes place after the traumatic experience. Kirito's traumatic experience was killing people, not being stuck in Sword Art Online. the traumatic experience extends through whole SAO incident for him - every day was a nightmare of survival and honing one's skills and be or be killed. SAO for him only ended when he got Asuna out of ALO, and then majority of his psychological problems kicked in full gear(Even though they slowly reared their heads through SAO and ALO but the "damn it i am about to be killed gotta survive" situations did not allow his psyche to dwell on it for too long). Its very akin with how it is with war veterans in real life Insertanamehere said: Fai said: Actually, whoever said that was completely wrong, because Alicization is easily the best part of SAO, better than Mother's Rosario. |
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| I was hoping that Kirito would talk to Sinon about his situation but at the moment he's just beating around the bush. I thought Kirito was a bit stronger mentally at killing people, but I guess it's a physiological thing. Plot didn't really go anywhere but lots of character development and some background info. |
| i wonder if the death guy d do something impressive at some point, now that i know that Kirito can dodge an block bullets without effort at close range the villain doesnt look like a threat at all |
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Fai said: Sapewloth said: Yeah, the "post" refers to how the stress disorder takes place after the traumatic experience. Kirito's traumatic experience was killing people, not being stuck in Sword Art Online. the traumatic experience extends through whole SAO incident for him - every day was a nightmare of survival and honing one's skills and be or be killed. SAO for him only ended when he got Asuna out of ALO, and then majority of his psychological problems kicked in full gear(Even though they slowly reared their heads through SAO and ALO but the "damn it i am about to be killed gotta survive" situations did not allow his psyche to dwell on it for too long). Its very akin with how it is with war veterans in real life Insertanamehere said: Actually, whoever said that was completely wrong, because Alicization is easily the best part of SAO, better than Mother's Rosario. Fai said: Sapewloth said: Yeah, the "post" refers to how the stress disorder takes place after the traumatic experience. Kirito's traumatic experience was killing people, not being stuck in Sword Art Online. the traumatic experience extends through whole SAO incident for him - every day was a nightmare of survival and honing one's skills and be or be killed. SAO for him only ended when he got Asuna out of ALO, and then majority of his psychological problems kicked in full gear(Even though they slowly reared their heads through SAO and ALO but the "damn it i am about to be killed gotta survive" situations did not allow his psyche to dwell on it for too long). Its very akin with how it is with war veterans in real life Insertanamehere said: Actually, whoever said that was completely wrong, because Alicization is easily the best part of SAO, better than Mother's Rosario. |
| Why does everything ex-fucking-plode? Hollywood the anime da fuq! deanzel said: Kirito Skywalker has fully entered God mode and is making quick work of these fools. He's playing Sinon like a fiddle. How more many episodes until Sinon is fully "trapped" by Kirito's harem/d*ck beam? It looks like it will only be a matter of time. Lmao! Desu Gun™ is kowai~~, oh nein. |
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silversaint said: i wonder if the death guy d do something impressive at some point, now that i know that Kirito can dodge an block bullets without effort at close range the villain doesnt look like a threat at all In Kiritos earlier fights you saw that he can dodge some bullets but not all, in fact he was at least streaked by some when a couple them were shot simultaneously, so it is possible to hit him. But I also think that it's not such a good idea to make him so OP as they did. |
| I disliked this episode. The PTSD was completely out of the blue and the flashback to something we've heard of for the first time was a very bad idea. The only thing I could think of wasn't "Poor Kirito!" but "Such an asspull.". So, it was so terrible that he got PTSD over it (even though he didn't look too upset over killing people in SAO) but not so much to have it at least mentioned in SAO? That really doesn't add up. It's weird that Kirito doesn't find it strange to just sensually grab a girl by her waist and stare into her eyes. Especially since he has a girlfriend. Although, I feel like Asuna is forgotten, now, that she has no screen time. Can't blame him, Sinon is awesome. What really bothered me is that Sinon lost her cool just because he walked right towards her. Maybe I'm missing the point of snipers since I've never played as that but aren't they supposed to be calm and focused 100% of time and shoot immediately when they can? Because she acted more like a newbie sniper than someone Death Gun list level good. Well, I guess everyone needs to be nerfed so Kirito can look OP. Even though he's OP and I wasn't happy about him owning guns with a sword, I have to admit it has its charm. And I can also understand him wanting to stick to melee after going with swords in 2 games. That's something I can relate to but it never works so well for me. There is one thing I like a lot about SAO II even though I feel it doesn't do it all that well. It finally tries to take mature approach to characters and to not only develop them but also explore them. |
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| If Asuna saw the ending of that duel... ohhhh ohoh :P Nevertheless, this episode really demonstrated Kiritos power and intelligence when it comes to combat. I reckon Sinon really underestimated his skills and thats why she wasnt that prepared to fight him. Actually, either unprepared or unskilled in battling someone of his unique strategy. Ill give this one a 4/5 cause we got to see how GGO really is a matter of life or death for Kirito, especially since he is fully aware of the deathgun and the person who owns it >.< |
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Lillibo0 said: hapower and intelligence when it comes to combat. |
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Emnay said: Lillibo0 said: hapower and intelligence when it comes to combat. The curtains are either salmon, pink or orange, depending on who and how he or she see them. |
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Rolanddeschain said: Wut.Emnay said: ha The curtains are either salmon, pink or orange, depending on who and how he or she see them. |
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| If you confuse salmon/pink with orange you probably have some sort of colorblindness and should not operate motor vehicles. |
MasterMeNL said: Why does everything ex-fucking-plode? Hollywood the anime da fuq! deanzel said: Kirito Skywalker has fully entered God mode and is making quick work of these fools. He's playing Sinon like a fiddle. How more many episodes until Sinon is fully "trapped" by Kirito's harem/d*ck beam? It looks like it will only be a matter of time. Lmao! Desu Gun™ is kowai~~, oh nein. Trade mark so guud. |
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Botato said: Rolanddeschain said: Wut.The curtains are either salmon, pink or orange, depending on who and how he or she see them. It is on the lack of objetivity on what we see Depending on how the light comes, angle, etc... you could watch a different tone respect another one, as I said before, I created the phrase to try to explain or make an analogy to subjectivity and how biased we all are. fst said: If you confuse salmon/pink with orange you probably have some sort of colorblindness and should not operate motor vehicles. It would be minor in such case and unless that person couldn´t distinguish between red or green, or not be able to perceive the basic tones there wouldn´t be no problem as long as he or she was qualified. |
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Lillibo0 said: If Asuna saw the ending of that duel... ohhhh ohoh :P Nevertheless, this episode really demonstrated Kiritos power and intelligence when it comes to combat. I reckon Sinon really underestimated his skills and thats why she wasnt that prepared to fight him. Actually, either unprepared or unskilled in battling someone of his unique strategy. Ill give this one a 4/5 cause we got to see how GGO really is a matter of life or death for Kirito, especially since he is fully aware of the deathgun and the person who owns it >.< Well, Asuna trusts Kirito so she wouldn't mind even if they were to kiss in the end. She must be happy that she can see his face, she better not to be greedy. And about Sinon, it's not like she wasn't prepared or unskilled, She's the GGO's best sniper, it's more like that Kirito is invincible and untouchable so whoever will combat him, Kirito is always the winner. -_- Prove that I'm wrong!! The man NEVER lost a goddamn duel or a fight. |
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Satan-sama said: Lillibo0 said: If Asuna saw the ending of that duel... ohhhh ohoh :P Nevertheless, this episode really demonstrated Kiritos power and intelligence when it comes to combat. I reckon Sinon really underestimated his skills and thats why she wasnt that prepared to fight him. Actually, either unprepared or unskilled in battling someone of his unique strategy. Ill give this one a 4/5 cause we got to see how GGO really is a matter of life or death for Kirito, especially since he is fully aware of the deathgun and the person who owns it >.< Well, Asuna trusts Kirito so she wouldn't mind even if they were to kiss in the end. She must be happy that she can see his face, she better not to be greedy. And about Sinon, it's not like she wasn't prepared or unskilled, She's the GGO's best sniper, it's more like that Kirito is invincible and untouchable so whoever will combat him, Kirito is always the winner. -_- Prove that I'm wrong!! The man NEVER lost a goddamn duel or a fight. |
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Satan-sama said: Lillibo0 said: If Asuna saw the ending of that duel... ohhhh ohoh :P Nevertheless, this episode really demonstrated Kiritos power and intelligence when it comes to combat. I reckon Sinon really underestimated his skills and thats why she wasnt that prepared to fight him. Actually, either unprepared or unskilled in battling someone of his unique strategy. Ill give this one a 4/5 cause we got to see how GGO really is a matter of life or death for Kirito, especially since he is fully aware of the deathgun and the person who owns it >.< Well, Asuna trusts Kirito so she wouldn't mind even if they were to kiss in the end. She must be happy that she can see his face, she better not to be greedy. And about Sinon, it's not like she wasn't prepared or unskilled, She's the GGO's best sniper, it's more like that Kirito is invincible and untouchable so whoever will combat him, Kirito is always the winner. -_- Prove that I'm wrong!! The man NEVER lost a goddamn duel or a fight. But he lost to haxs in season 1. |
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Forgetfulness said: DGemu said: To be honest, the only time he's lost in the first season of SAO are whenBut he lost to haxs in season 1. 1. He is at an insane disadvantage to begin with (being paralyzed) 2. It is literally impossible to win due to the way the game is programmed (Heathcliff, World Tree) In other words, He hasn't ever lost in a fair duel. It must be something put him in an extreme disadvantage to make him lose a fight. |
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| He tied his duel with Kayaba tho. Also, his duels were mostly meh, i mean, Kuradeel, cmon. The only duel i can truly accept is red salamander guy, which he was about to lose if it wasn't for the second sword. Still, he has the bigger experience between 95% of the ALO players [in case other SAO survivors are playing it] so yea, not a lot of people are more familiarized with Fulldive + SAO engine than him... Insertanamehere said: Fai said: |
Likecheese said: silversaint said: i wonder if the death guy d do something impressive at some point, now that i know that Kirito can dodge an block bullets without effort at close range the villain doesnt look like a threat at all In Kiritos earlier fights you saw that he can dodge some bullets but not all, in fact he was at least streaked by some when a couple them were shot simultaneously, so it is possible to hit him. But I also think that it's not such a good idea to make him so OP as they did. those shots only did a few scratches an they didnt affect him or his movements at all, this is the third time SAO is failing to build up a main villain, the death guy hasnt got to do anything so far an yet he now looks completely outclassed (taking into account that Kirito is beating the crap outta these supposed "pros" with ease) |
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Fai said: Sapewloth said: Yeah, the "post" refers to how the stress disorder takes place after the traumatic experience. Kirito's traumatic experience was killing people, not being stuck in Sword Art Online. the traumatic experience extends through whole SAO incident for him - every day was a nightmare of survival and honing one's skills and be or be killed. SAO for him only ended when he got Asuna out of ALO, and then majority of his psychological problems kicked in full gear(Even though they slowly reared their heads through SAO and ALO but the "damn it i am about to be killed gotta survive" situations did not allow his psyche to dwell on it for too long). Its very akin with how it is with war veterans in real life I simply can't agree with that, because that'd be invalidating everything SAO actually meant to Kirito: even though being an occasional front-liner and staying ahead of the leveling curve were harsh, and he went on a big ass and very inconsistent guilt trip because of Sachi & co., from the very beginning he stated he felt more alive in Aincrad than IRL. And his stance on the validity of online interactions was confirmed throughout all of the first half of the first season. In SAO, he made friends and formed strong and lasting bonds with 'em; met the love of his life and then formed a family with her and their virtual daughteru Yui, and also learned other reasons to live and things to protect (thus overcoming the loss of his guild); was ahead of the game and surpassed everyone in terms of skillz, and was even rewarded for that (double wielding skill). There were even occasional discussions between Asuna and Kirito about how they (as well as many other players) seemed to get more and more accustomed to their life in Aincrad and how splendid this VR actually was if you took time to appreciate its beauty and what it had to offer. Sure he suffered his lot in SAO, but at the end of the day the experience was more rewarding and positive to him than anything else, because this is where he was able to come out of his shell and experienced true love and happiness. That's why I stand by my point that SAO wans't in itself, traumatizing: being forced to kill was. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| I don't know what it is about A-1 Pictures but they seem utterly incapable of animating an interesting looking fight or really interesting action scene period beyond the first 3 episodes of their series in what seems to be becoming a pattern of mediocrity. To know other animation studio does the 3 episodes rule apply nor change it's meaning to it indicating where the rising tension peaks than with A-1 Pictures. It's always been a problem with this franchise in particular but I felt they might maybe just maybe be getting past that finally with episode 2 which was the first time I can remember being really pulled into a fight in pretty much any one of their series in recent memory. Nope though. They just seem content to rely on their Yuki Kajiura or Hiroyuki Sawano or x popular artist music blaring in the background, a couple of quick cuts with dull uninspired choreography, one and done and that's it style of combat. Just no passion, no inspiration......I don't even know why they bother really sometimes. What's worse their overhead Aniplex seems to be exporting this lack of inspiration or passion for the animation to other studios of late like Madhouse with Mahouka where you can just tell they barely give a fuck with most of action cuts in the show. That one and done get it over with and get on to the next scene feel is very much evident there too, but when you look at something like Hunter x Hunter or hell even No Game No Life the passion for the animation is there. Just blah....I really don't like this company if there's any secret to it anymore and am again reminded with this episode why I think they're chief among culprits when it comes to making a lot of popular and anticipated anime turn out kind of shitty and devoid of any real artistic merit and again passion. At least their presence doesn't seem to have foiled Watanabe in Terror in Resonance. Other than that this arc takes one step closer to it's conclusion and like most arcs everyone around him is basically just forced to accept that they'll never be as good as Kirito......even when he's not really trying. |
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