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Jul 30, 2014 5:36 PM

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JD2411 said:
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I have yet to see a show for everyone.
one piece, the best anime ever
It really isn't for everyone considering there are people that are put off by its art alone not to mention the comedy or idk whatever else is there to bitch about.
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Botato said:
JD2411 said:
one piece, the best anime ever
It really isn't for everyone considering there are people that are put off by its art alone not to mention the comedy or idk whatever else is there to bitch about.


Objectively, factitiously best anime.... objectively.
It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou
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The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself.
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YandereTheEmo said:
Botato said:
It really isn't for everyone considering there are people that are put off by its art alone not to mention the comedy or idk whatever else is there to bitch about.


Objectively, factitiously best anime.... objectively.
That doesn't make it for everyone.
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Botato said:
YandereTheEmo said:


Objectively, factitiously best anime.... objectively.
That doesn't make it for everyone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpdZwuyEmRk
It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou
YandereTheEmo said:
The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself.
Jul 30, 2014 5:42 PM

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YandereTheEmo said:
Botato said:
That doesn't make it for everyone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpdZwuyEmRk
Fun video thanks for sharing.
Jul 30, 2014 5:43 PM

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Botato said:
YandereTheEmo said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpdZwuyEmRk
Fun video thanks for sharing.


Always here to help.
It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou
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The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself.
Jul 30, 2014 5:44 PM
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Zergneedsfood said:
JD2411 said:
I think most people go into bebop expecting something different and when they find out it's an episodic show that is style over substance they feel somewhat let down. It really isn't a show for everyone.
What the fuck? So aside from the obvious fact that I don't think anything can ever be for everyone, Cowboy Bebop is about as close to a universal anime as most anime can get. I'm actually a bit surprised more people don't like it.

It's such a sweeping generalization to say that people didn't like Bebop because it betrayed their expectations. Even if it's not what they expect, there are obviously times where that works to the benefit of a show or a book.
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Jul 30, 2014 5:46 PM
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SetsukoHara said:
JD2411 said:
It really isn't a show for everyone.


I have yet to see a show for everyone.


Hehe true. My "definitely not for everyone" got touché'd.
Jul 30, 2014 5:48 PM

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I have said it before and I will say it again Bebop just didn't work as well as an episodic anime like Champloo and Space Dandy. A lot of focus on Spike's past made it seem as if it would have been better of as an arc based type anime instead of an episodic one. Bebop's strongest points for me are the artstyle, animation and music. Bebop was a 90's tv series yet it looked like a 90's OVA or movie.
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That's your opinion.

#Thread.



I could use your statement for any anime, is such an easy task to make a masterpiece sounds terrible just by saying "boring", "overrated", "asspull", "forced drama", "average at best" and bla bla bla. I don't even need to watch to argue. Anyway, cry more about Cowboy Bebop being high rated. Damn that cat just prove how you really don't know how to behave and have a civilized conversation haha. It's certainly pathetic and laughable.


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Zergneedsfood said:
JD2411 said:
I think most people go into bebop expecting something different and when they find out it's an episodic show that is style over substance they feel somewhat let down. It really isn't a show for everyone.
What the fuck? So aside from the obvious fact that I don't think anything can ever be for everyone, Cowboy Bebop is about as close to a universal anime as most anime can get. I'm actually a bit surprised more people don't like it.

It's such a sweeping generalization to say that people didn't like Bebop because it betrayed their expectations. Even if it's not what they expect, there are obviously times where that works to the benefit of a show or a book.
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Jul 30, 2014 6:05 PM

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Bebop isn't style over substance, all four main characters have very well handled characterization and great interactions. The style is just so good it alone shits on your favourite anime too.
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Kolnikov said:
I kinda understand why I see so many statements about Cowboy Bebop being overrated. First of it: is probably not what most people are looking for in this media.


Considering its massive popularity I’d say that it’s exactly what most people are looking for in this media.

Kolnikov said:

Third: it's an episodic show with a definitive theme and pattern, and is the pinnacle of "style over substance". Probably is not what people are expecting to be, and not what they're wanting it to be.


It’s definitely a show that boasts style over substance. I prefer substance, thus I didn’t like it.

Kolnikov said:

In other words, it's overrated because it's too unconventional for its own good, and works with more subtle themes and characters, extremely slow pacing (which is boring for a lot of people) and is episodic. Definitely not for everyone.


I never met anyone that considered Cowboy Bebop slow paced. Actually it does its best to put at least some fight/action in every episode. The themes are never developed, episodes always end up with the proverbial gunfight or exhibition of martial arts, not certainly what I’d expect from a “masterpiece”. Its characters are one-dimensional for the most part (just think about Vicious, literally a cardboard character), and it was the biggest disappointment for me. The episodic nature of the show wasn’t a problem for me; Mushishi, which is even more episodic, is one of my favourite shows.

If you want, you can read my analysis of the first episode here (spoilers inside):



There are other flaws in the show, but explaining everything in one post might be too much to read.
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shingeki really isnt that bad, its bland at worst......and most of the time but its a far cry from being terrible like Michael bay's transformers,

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Zergneedsfood said:

Anyone have any thoughts on Gunslinger Girl? I watched it when I was younger (middle school?). I vaguely remember liking it, but I think my score for it on MAL is low for some reason but I don't know enough to say about it.

I've been told to read the manga so I'm doing that. Apparently it has lots of suffering.

The manga is like the most emotionally jarring thing I've read. I'm at around chapter 25 atm, and I'd say its shaping up to be purty amazing.
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Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money.

Jul 30, 2014 7:51 PM

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I only saw Bebop after I joined MAL as well and if it wasn't for being occupied preaching from rooftops about LOGH being the best anime ever, you'd see me talking about Bebop more often.
I probably regret this post by now.
Jul 30, 2014 7:56 PM

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Zergneedsfood said:

Anyone have any thoughts on Gunslinger Girl? I watched it when I was younger (middle school?). I vaguely remember liking it, but I think my score for it on MAL is low for some reason but I don't know enough to say about it.
The anime i heard was held in pretty high regard but apparently season 2 is atrocious, though i dont know the reasons behind the S2 situation other than it changed staff or something.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Jul 30, 2014 8:02 PM

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Nana episode 5 > All of the best Bebop episodes combined

Touch is so under watched.
One of the best sports anime I've had the pleasure to enjoy.
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Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money.

Jul 30, 2014 8:13 PM

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skyzblue said:
Nana episode 5 > All of the best Bebop episodes combined

Touch is so under watched.
One of the best sports anime I've had the pleasure to enjoy.


*Yasu tips hat, lights a Black Stone* ;-)

I've been wondering about Touch ever since I petered out around 25? On Cross Game.
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JizzyHitler said:
Zergneedsfood said:

Anyone have any thoughts on Gunslinger Girl? I watched it when I was younger (middle school?). I vaguely remember liking it, but I think my score for it on MAL is low for some reason but I don't know enough to say about it.
The anime i heard was held in pretty high regard but apparently season 2 is atrocious, though i dont know the reasons behind the S2 situation other than it changed staff or something.
I vaguely remember Il Teatrino (S2) being a bit more...loli friendly. I was a bit plebeian back then so I preferred S2 because it was brighter and less morbid. I really ought to rewatch it, unless I remember wrong it's one of the few shows to not sexualize its lolis.
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V310RG said:
Kolnikov said:
I kinda understand why I see so many statements about Cowboy Bebop being overrated. First of it: is probably not what most people are looking for in this media.


Considering its massive popularity I’d say that it’s exactly what most people are looking for in this media.

Kolnikov said:

Third: it's an episodic show with a definitive theme and pattern, and is the pinnacle of "style over substance". Probably is not what people are expecting to be, and not what they're wanting it to be.


It’s definitely a show that boasts style over substance. I prefer substance, thus I didn’t like it.

Kolnikov said:

In other words, it's overrated because it's too unconventional for its own good, and works with more subtle themes and characters, extremely slow pacing (which is boring for a lot of people) and is episodic. Definitely not for everyone.


I never met anyone that considered Cowboy Bebop slow paced. Actually it does its best to put at least some fight/action in every episode. The themes are never developed, episodes always end up with the proverbial gunfight or exhibition of martial arts, not certainly what I’d expect from a “masterpiece”. Its characters are one-dimensional for the most part (just think about Vicious, literally a cardboard character), and it was the biggest disappointment for me. The episodic nature of the show wasn’t a problem for me; Mushishi, which is even more episodic, is one of my favourite shows.

If you want, you can read my analysis of the first episode here (spoilers inside):



There are other flaws in the show, but explaining everything in one post might be too much to read.


Hmm I recommended for like 10 guys IRL and some people on the forums. Like 60% of them said to me: "it was so boring that became unwatchable, and I'm looking for more hotbloded moments in anime, twists and a more engaging and linear plot". Also, at least more than the half of people here complain about the slow pace and the boring, zero content, zero development episodic format.

My post was more an informal assumption about the guy who didn't like Bebop, in general, not the guy who's looking for it anxiously and loving it (majority of the viewers) for its style, soundtrack, art, animation, subtly, the good old western movie feeling and bla bla bla. Either way, don't need to elaborate a post for me about how you think Bebop is bad, I'm really not interested in discussing this. Now, I should download some more HxH episodes because I have until next week to catch up with it ):
Jul 30, 2014 8:47 PM

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skyzblue said:
Touch is so under watched.
One of the best sports anime I've had the pleasure to enjoy.

Is it better than Cross Game?
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I never did finish Gunslinger Girl. The few episodes I watched weren't as hard hitting as I had been hoping for. I never really decided to stop watching it... I just didn't keep going. I guess that's what they call "on hold"

skyzblue said:
Nana episode 5 > All of the best Bebop episodes combined


You're damned right to cross that out.
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skyzblue said:
Nana episode 5 > All of the best Bebop episodes combined

Touch is so under watched.
One of the best sports anime I've had the pleasure to enjoy.


Obviously, if the main girl being slut is the criteria of being better.
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mayukachan said:
skyzblue said:
Touch is so under watched.
One of the best sports anime I've had the pleasure to enjoy.

Is it better than Cross Game?

Sadly, I haven't finished it yet. You could just say Cross Game is under watched too.
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Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money.

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Inferno_Cop said:
skyzblue said:
Nana episode 5 > All of the best Bebop episodes combined

Touch is so under watched.
One of the best sports anime I've had the pleasure to enjoy.


Obviously, if the main girl being slut is the criteria of being better.

Best criteria ever. Don't you forget it.
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Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money.

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skyzblue said:
Sadly, I haven't finished it yet. You could just say Cross Game is under watched too.

I'm still deciding whether to start H2 or Touch, because I've ran out of baseball anime. LOL Cross Game is the most popular out of the three, but yes it's underwatched too.
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mayukachan said:
skyzblue said:
Sadly, I haven't finished it yet. You could just say Cross Game is under watched too.

I'm still deciding whether to start H2 or Touch, because I've ran out of baseball anime. LOL Cross Game is the most popular out of the three, but yes it's underwatched too.

Read the H2 manga, if you're were planning to watch the anime by any chance.
Atm, I would say I like H2 more than Touch. Though my opinion might change given the fact that I haven't finished H2 yet.
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Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money.

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skyzblue said:
Inferno_Cop said:


Obviously, if the main girl being slut is the criteria of being better.

Best criteria ever. Don't you forget it.

Thats why Re-take >> NGE
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Inferno_Cop said:
skyzblue said:

Best criteria ever. Don't you forget it.

Thats why Re-take >> NGE

Heh. I don't care much about NGE anyway.
Maybe its time to re-watch the damn thing. @__@
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Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money.

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skyzblue said:
Inferno_Cop said:

Thats why Re-take >> NGE

Heh. I don't care much about NGE anyway.
Maybe its time to re-watch the damn thing. @__@


Lol, wasn't it one of your favorites? You guys are so unstable.
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Kolnikov said:
skyzblue said:

Heh. I don't care much about NGE anyway.
Maybe its time to re-watch the damn thing. @__@


Lol, wasn't it one of your favorites? You guys are so unstable.

A long, long time ago. My love for it has decreased quite a bit. Probably has to do with watching LoGH and shit. I'll rave about it once I re-watch it, probably.
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skyzblue said:
Inferno_Cop said:

Thats why Re-take >> NGE

Heh. I don't care much about NGE anyway.
Maybe its time to re-watch the damn thing. @__@
Evangelion is pretty damn good, but once the initial excitement of watching a series like it begins to wear off its flaws do start to show, I still like it alot but I think after seeing alot more of the clusterfucky and unconventionally delivered stores i kind of felt like alot of other stories were able to do it alot better than eva did and in less pretentious ways

Also if your gonna watch eva again, watch gunbuster before it, as a story i dont think as highly of gunbuster as many others do, but its very interesting to see where eva's ideas all started forming since its eva's creator's first work. its only 6 episodes anyway.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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NGE was like the best thing for me when I watched it. Since then I've watched quite a lot of nice stuff though. On that topic, Rahxephon is underrated.
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Eva is as great as it ever was, even with its flaws it's indeed glory. Probably NGE is the second anime I saw, when I was an innocent kid watching animax. Since then I re-watched it a couple of times, and since I joined MAL I never downgraded the score of the TV series; still shining in my heart. I'm hoping for a complete remake in the future, would very nice.
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JizzyHitler said:
Zergneedsfood said:

Anyone have any thoughts on Gunslinger Girl? I watched it when I was younger (middle school?). I vaguely remember liking it, but I think my score for it on MAL is low for some reason but I don't know enough to say about it.
The anime i heard was held in pretty high regard but apparently season 2 is atrocious, though i dont know the reasons behind the S2 situation other than it changed staff or something.


I didn't find season 2 bad, I guess because I'm almost never bothered by changes in artstyle and stuff like that. I understand if people like it less because of that though, the difference is very visible. It's still the same source material though so the writing is still good, I don't remember many details but I remember preferring some aspects/arc in season 1 and some in season 2, rating them fairly equal. Nothing I'd call atrocious, just a good anime overall.
I probably regret this post by now.
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Under...existent?:

A MAL Top 100 Ost List

Might make for some interesting debate, esp for the musicians among us.
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SetsukoHara said:
JD2411 said:
one piece, the best anime ever

No, it can't be appreciated by the simple-minded. =p

More like the complete opposite.
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Just finished arakawa under the bridge and it's pretty underrated. S2 should at least be 8+ .. I laughed so much.
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mayukachan said:
skyzblue said:
Sadly, I haven't finished it yet. You could just say Cross Game is under watched too.

I'm still deciding whether to start H2 or Touch, because I've ran out of baseball anime. LOL Cross Game is the most popular out of the three, but yes it's underwatched too.

The H2 anime stops before the manga ending, so I wouldn't really recommend it if you want the full story. Cross Game is shorter than Touch and thus have a better pacing, but the rest of the story is as good.
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Major for best baseball anime :D
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Coppelion is underrated. Deserve at least 7+ score

Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 2wei! deserve to be more popular. It is one of the funniest anime in this season, and has one of cutest girls. And compared to the early episodes of the 1st season, 2wei is much better so far.

Momo Kyun Sword is underrated. 5.64 seems to be too low. Story might not be great or serious, but it is enjoyable to watch.

Himegoto - Underrated. Cute trap doing cute things and it is funny. Best 4 min anime I ever seen.
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Coppelion is underrated. Deserve at least 7+ score

Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 2wei! deserve to be more popular. It is one of the funniest anime in this season, and has one of cutest girls. And compared to the early episodes of the 1st season, 2wei is much better so far.

Momo Kyun Sword is underrated. 5.64 seems to be too low. Story might not be great or serious, but it is enjoyable to watch.

Himegoto - Underrated. Cute trap doing cute things and it is funny. Best 4 min anime I ever seen.


Fate/kaleid has me interested since I've seen quite a few GIFs and stills from the show and they are quite hilarious but I haven't read F/SN so I have a feeling that I will miss out on a bunch of references despite it being a stand alone story.

Himegoto is definitely worth a watch, its really wat at times and its only 4 mins so its not much investment. Also [&]'s fun sub track is pretty hilarious, especially since they replaced the opening with a DMX song and everybody thought it was the actual OP.
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Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 2wei! would give max enjoyment for TM veterans. If you're not, and still choose to watch it, then you better not complain about things not making sense.
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Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 2wei! would give max enjoyment for TM veterans. If you're not, and still choose to watch it, then you better not complain about things not making sense.


From what I've heard, its certainly watchable as a stand alone show, it just has quite a lot of references to other TM series that will completely go over your head if you've not read/watched other TM stuff.

I really do want to read F/SN especially since the 2014 anime is being hyped to high heaven but the fact I really don't have time and actually tracking down all the stuff I need to get it to work, including making it work on a windows VM makes it a bit difficult for me.
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Type-Moon sucks and is overrated.
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Zergneedsfood said:
God has returned.

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let us be enlightened

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Oh wow, too many arguments
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Feaor said:
Botato said:
Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 2wei! would give max enjoyment for TM veterans. If you're not, and still choose to watch it, then you better not complain about things not making sense.


From what I've heard, its certainly watchable as a stand alone show, it just has quite a lot of references to other TM series that will completely go over your head if you've not read/watched other TM stuff.

I really do want to read F/SN especially since the 2014 anime is being hyped to high heaven but the fact I really don't have time and actually tracking down all the stuff I need to get it to work, including making it work on a windows VM makes it a bit difficult for me.
Sometimes these references are important to the story which is why I'm saying one should know one or two things about Nasuverse. It probably won't affect enjoyment by a whole lot but sometimes you just don't want to miss anything :p

Also at least read the first route of the VN, since the fall anime will be adapting the second 1 and you need some knowledge from the first one (which the 2006 anime really doesn't do a particularly great job at delivering).
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