Zefyris said:
While I agree that enjoyment and quality aren't the same thing, you're in the wrong in believing that you can even become remotely close of being objective while judging quality. Just like enjoyment, judging quality is an act completely subjective. you can take all the time you want to consider every single part of what composed the show before concluding, take in consideration the purpose of the work (and by doing that you'll be indeed the closest possible of being objective, on that I agree) it won't change a damn thing in the end. Your evaluation will be completely subjective.
Why? For several reasons. One of them being that no matter how much you try, the weighting of all items used in your evaluation will vary from person to person. Even if you make that weighting vary depending on the show's purpose (on which I agree to do), the final decision for each item's weight in the overal rating will be personal. And completely subjective.
Same goes for the list of items you consider. Do you regroup item X with item Y in you evaluation or not. Like evaluation music and voice acting separately or not. Animation and graphism/background details. Plot and character development. And so on. Depending on how much value you put in each that decision will vary.
And the more you try to be detailed in the notation, the worse it gets by introducing decisions on sub-items. So this CANNOT be solved objectively.
And obviously, deciding to have all items with the same weight (like 10 pts for each of the 10 item list" ) is even further away of being objective and is a subjective decision in itself.
Consensus about each item's weight as well as the list of considered item won't make you closer of being objective either. This is, after all, just the majority's opinion, and the majority's taste don't (and by far) equal objectivity.
The problem of some persons here (and in other places as well, obviously) is that they are being delusional about being able to judge a work objectively just by thinking enough about it. That's not possible. Those people should get over it already and stop looking down on every things that they don't approve of as if it was an absolute fact that it's bad.
I'd prefer the term critical instead because I assume it is obvious that complete objectivity is nothing but an utopian ideal nobody can accomplish. However, we can pursue said ideal and the willingness of entering this endeavor is what seperates blindly consuming from actually analyzing.
rederoin said:
If I don't like something, then in my opinion, it can't be the best. This is common sense. Who the hell would praise a show they don't even enjoy/like?
One of my ex-girlfriends HATED Casablanca with a passion, yet she admitted it was one of the most influental and best romance movies of all time. Scientists usually try to seperate their personal opinion and analyze a specific subject, relation or whatever as critical as possible. I personally greatly dislike Shingeki and Psychopass, yet gave them both 7/10 because I think they are very well crafted in aspects. Lots of people irl I know seperate their OPINION from a more critical perspective, or at least aknowledge the validity of this approach.
In that sense, people who priorize enjoyment over everything are the ones who are narrowminded and anti-intellectual.
Red_Keys said: I hate to sound like a white knight, but he usually posts in every news announcement thread. I think people have the right to post their first impressions of shows that are announced, good or bad.
I don't see how giving your initial opinion on a show in a thread dedicated to the announcement of that show is considered shitposting. If you go by that logic, every positive statement about this announcement is equal as much "shitposting", as well as everybody arguing with him over quality or whatever.
Speaking of shiposting, your post didn't even mention anything about this show and is literally off topic.
You echo what I said earlier and since we are on that topic I must say that, even though we almost always disagree on the evaluation of certain series like Guilty Crown, the discussions were more interesting than all the tons of ad hominem users like the ones you mentioned throw around. At least we try to discuss arguments, however heated they might become in the process.
rederoin said:
Making fun of light novels he hasn't read*
I try to read at least the first few chapters of every LN/manga that get an adaption announced. I also read the first Twilight books (The romance is actually better than SAO) and always watch at least one or two episodes of an adaption before dropping it. I give it a chance to impress me. However, my patience with literature is way smaller than my patience with manga or anime because I HATE bad literature. And sadly, most LN are exactly that.
And it's not like you cannot judge LN by their cover 90% of the time, that's exactly the problem: The way too obvious pandering. The fact that I CAN judge them by their cover and be somewhat correct most of the time is the main problem. Or selling point, if you are really in need for some ego stroking through pulp fiction. |