| I haven't heard of this LN before. Looks interesting, I might give it a try. |
tsudecimo said: Amiluhur said: The problem is less about the harem itself, and more the way it's developed. Far too many light novel authors and their anime adaptations just conveniently put in childhood friend/ lil' sister/whatever girl in the MC's lap, play it for some comedy, bring up some default trope-based moe, or cheap heartwarming moment, and call it a day. Unwilling to take itself any step further. Which, after a point, becomes a complete and utter bore, trite, and even an insult. Only the specific otaku audience who are into wish-fullfilment fantasy can enjoy this glut of one bland portrayal after another. Avoid them then? It's really not that hard. I actually can't think of something easier and wiser to do regarding those LN adaptions. Oh, please spare me your "If you don't like it then shut up!" kind of argument. It's one of the laziest rebuttal i've even seen on internet. And if i were to follow your suggestions, that means i wouldn't be able to find some hidden gems such as Oregairu or Hataraku Maou-sama, few exceptions among the sea of mediocrity |
| This wasn't a counter argument, since I agree with what you said. I'm just stating that they are easy to avoid and that complaining about them in LN adaptions news threads is pointless. You can wait for their receptions to find good ones. |
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| Looks like another generic school boy insert powers and plot light novel like every other of its kind. |
| Looking forward to it. |
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| Hm...past lives in a school setting. Sounds interesting. |
| Meh, I'll give it a go. |
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| Akamitsu? Oya oya, I like this guy's name. As for the show, I'll give it a shot. Doesn't sound terrible. |
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| It has romance so I'm in... |
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| Oh, look, another crappy, generic Fantasy-Romcom, botched together by some 5th rate LN writer with help from the trope kit. Exactly what the world needed <.< |
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cipheron said: wikipedia suggests light novels are aimed at middle school to highschool students. So they always have a ready audience "coming of age" to whom it's all new. And we tend to forget that most people in Japan, male or otherwise, are not actually Otaku with amazing anime knowledge. The hot girls on every LN cover don't just appeal to Otaku, they give the books broad appeal to young men. That might explain how they can get away with such blatant ripping off of older series. These are aimed at average young males who are not really "Otaku" so you can roll out the cliches and they think it's the best thing ever because they can see that hot chick who was only hinted at in the LN they read when they were 14. Is that actually true? LNs are so steeped in Otaku tropes I find it hard to believe that youg males who are not Otaku would like them. Remember, those characters are hot only to us anime fans who like that style. To non-anime-fans they look wierd. |
| Sounds interesting. |
| To be honest this whole 'it's all the same' nonsense is just self-reinforced belief. You expect it to be the same, so you pay attention to every similarity, and then point it out at every opportunity, thus reinforcing everyone else's same attitude. There's no more similarity in this genre than in any others. In the end you have to either start avoiding these topics of conversation or you end up getting affected by the virulent and harmful* attitudes being constantly banded about. Which then means that the whole thing is left to those infected, who serve to constantly fester their disease, and periodically launch out on another strike targetted at battering away at others until they too join the zombie-like hoardes... *harmful to your enjoyment, of course - not physically harmful. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
kuuderes_shadow said: To be honest this whole 'it's all the same' nonsense is just self-reinforced belief. You expect it to be the same, so you pay attention to every similarity, and then point it out at every opportunity, thus reinforcing everyone else's same attitude. There's no more similarity in this genre than in any others. Or perhaps shows like this really are generic crappy adaptions of generic crappy LNs that were written with exactly the same tropes to target exactly the same audience. Except for their little gimmick Strike the Blood and Machine Doll last season were completely interchangeable in every respect and the same goes for Mahou Sensou this season (well, except that Mahou Sensou manages to be far worse). |
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| Since these shows usually have large gaps of quality between them(Tokyo ravens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mahou sensou, to name a currently airing example). I think its atleast worth trying out. jmal said: Nidhoeggr said: But honestly: That is just deceiving yourself at this point... I'm rather sick of the way the majority of harem/LN romcom shows are executed myself, but let's please stop pretending we understand other people's personal entertainment preferences better than the people themselves do. Or that it's even any of our damned business, because it's certainly not. I also agree with this. This whole 'I don't enjoy, so its objectivilly bad' attitude is rather annoying. |
rederoinFeb 12, 2014 2:38 PM
| Nice. More harem animes for me to enjoy. :) |
rederoin said: jmal said: Nidhoeggr said: But honestly: That is just deceiving yourself at this point... I'm rather sick of the way the majority of harem/LN romcom shows are executed myself, but let's please stop pretending we understand other people's personal entertainment preferences better than the people themselves do. Or that it's even any of our damned business, because it's certainly not. I also agree with this. This whole 'I don't enjoy, so its objectivilly bad' attitude is rather annoying. And why is "I enjoy it so it must be good" any better? Great, you enjoy Twilight. Is it now a very well written story that is easily as good as Kafka and if we disagree we are haters? Or is it all the same because there is no quality in books and it is all entirely subjective? Because that is what a lot of people here seem to believe and they are wrong. Stop with the double standard. I can understand that you might feel personally offended because you - for some reason - identify so much with the products you consume that they become a part of your personality but please: "Haters" get a lot of flak and they seem way more mature when it comes to coping with criticizing/having a minority opinion than some of the "typical crowd" here who enjoy watching these shows season after season. |
NidhoeggrFeb 17, 2014 7:52 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: you realize you just inadvertently admitted your just as bad as the people youre complaining about. the "how is XXXX any better" argument only works when your a neutral outer reference not the subject of complaint in the first place, when youre that you just put yourself on the same level as the other side then proceed to negatively describe it, aka in lamens terms you just insulted yourselfrederoin said: jmal said: Nidhoeggr said: But honestly: That is just deceiving yourself at this point... I'm rather sick of the way the majority of harem/LN romcom shows are executed myself, but let's please stop pretending we understand other people's personal entertainment preferences better than the people themselves do. Or that it's even any of our damned business, because it's certainly not. I also agree with this. This whole 'I don't enjoy, so its objectivilly bad' attitude is rather annoying. And why is "I enjoy it so it must be good" any better? Great, you enjoy Twilight. Is it now a very well written story that is easily as good as Kafka and if we disagree we are haters? Or is it all the same because there is no quality in books and it is all entirely subjective? Because that is what a lot of people here seem to believe. Stop with the double standard. I can udnerstand that you might feel personally offended because you - for some reason - identify so much witht he products you consume that they become a part of your personality but please: "Haters" get a lot of flak and they seem way more mature when it comes to coping with criticizing a different opinion than some of the "typical crowd" who enjoy watching these shows season after season. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Have I ever said I am superior to anyone? We are all equal and have the same right to express an opinion. But no matter how much you call a product different, when the content is the same it remains the same and trying to justify these differences and the discussion about them as matter of opinion and entirely irrelevant is not exactly a good way of doing things. A lot of people here are quick to say "hater", "troll" or "judgemental elitist", but can't deal with the word "drone" or "someone with low standards". That's all I was going on about. |
NidhoeggrFeb 17, 2014 8:07 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: And why is "I enjoy it so it must be good" any better? Great, you enjoy Twilight. Is it now a very well written story that is easily as good as Kafka and if we disagree we are haters? Or is it all the same because there is no quality in books and it is all entirely subjective? I'm talking about the enjoyment factor. And yes, that is indeed entirely subjective. [ quote] Because that is what a lot of people here seem to believe and they are wrong. Wrong? About enjoying things? Thats hilarious. Stop with the double standard. What double standard? I can understand that you might feel personally offended because you- for some reason - identify so much with the products you consume that they become a part of your personality but please I don't feel offended, I just want to know why people like you seem to have this ridiculous idea that they can be objective about entertainment. "Haters" get a lot of flak and they seem way more mature when it comes to coping with criticizing/having a minority opinion than some of the "typical crowd" here who enjoy watching these shows season after season. Haters? Mature? Now thats funny, you're free to hate what you want. But putting down others because of it is anything but mature. Then again, I also did that when I was a teenager, so I can't really blame those who do. |
| Did I ever say hating is mature? But the "enjoyment over everything" fraction is certainly very quickly pissed when people tell them that it is not everything. And you CAN enjoy everything you like. I say this every damn time, but somehow people seem to be mentally challenged when it comes to seperate the facts from the personal opinion. You CAN enjoy this and if you watch it you probably should enjoy this (it will be nothing but pain otherwise). But then please don't pretend it has no flaws and look down on people who are not as tolerant as you when it comes to overly tropy and formulatic anime as "haters" when they rightfully get tired of the same stuff. And I guess you missed all the classes in school when they told you about how literary critcism and evaluation works. The fact that you still confuse critical and objective seems to support that. |
NidhoeggrFeb 17, 2014 8:11 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
kuuderes_shadow said: I've deceived by the title quite a few time too when I read LN and manga sales thread.Hahalollawl said: alexpte said: Admittedly I though it was a different series for a second. Premise looks interesting, I'll be looking forward to it. That one already had an anime announced I thought. Anyways, seems like this could be good. The past memories and distinction between magic/weapons could be interesting . I thought the same thing, and was wondering why something that had already been announced was being announed again. Anyway, series on my long list getting adapted = will watch. |
 Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
| Sounds unoriginally LN-ish :/ |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| You confuse tolerance with acceptance. Whoever said that one personally has to accept anybody as someone one personally respects or views as equal in a discussion? I am sure you do the same with many people as well. And degrading, fanboying, etc. doesn't matter as it doesn't change the content of the show. If it is generic it will stay generic and adding crap or "unique in small details" or "but I like it" or whatever else won't change the fact that the structure is the same as 99% of the other series in that genre atm. Your disappoval or approval of the way the arguments are presented doesn't degrade the criticism brought forth. Why are you so riled up anyway? Because I said some people may possible delude themselves into liking the same stuff over and over again without getting tired because they know that it is not good deep insight their consciousness and need to justify it through VA love or whatever? Come on... |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
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