| Japan is the all-time weirdest country. Guys dressing as girls is just the tip of the iceberg. |
| I've seen a lot of the other way round but I can't recall much guy crossdressing? |
Short_CircutJun 4, 2019 8:43 AM
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| It's a general thing in Japanese media it seems where "contradictions" are valued. One will notice for instance that in most media the super powerful bad-ass character always looks like that whereas in Japanese media they like to play with this expectation and often make the shorter, weaker looking character more powerful. Dragon Ball does this constantly to the point that the viewer has come to expect the weaker looking character to be really powerful. There are many common tropes in Japanese media like "tundere", "trap" that all seem to derive their appeal from "combining contradictory elements". The cuter look a character, the harsher his personality; the smaller be a character, the higher his power level and so forth. |
 It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
| Because it's a nice change of pace from guys wearing guy clothes all the time I think, or at least that's my opinion. Guys can look amazing when they do it right irl too. |
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How can you not go doki doki kyun to this? |
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| Because sometimes a guy with good look dressing like girls look better than real girls? This applies to real world too. |
Ventus_SJun 1, 2019 10:53 PM
| I guess girls like it when the guys are showing their more feminine side, or when the guys are embarrassed by their crossdressing. It kind of makes you feel you're more intimate to the person after he has shown you his vulnerable side. Asian women tend to be more positive about androgynous men (Shoujo heroes often have androgynous appearance, so do many J-Pop and K-Pop stars.) Possibly androgynous men feel less oppressive to the women who live in a pretty patriarchal society. East Asia also has a pretty long tradition of man dressing up as woman on stage, but I don't know how much it has effected popular culture. |
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Ventus_S said: Well they are the sex most often gifted with the delicious flat chest which makes all clothing look better of course.Becomes sometimes a guy with good look dressing like girls look better than real girls? This applies to real world too. CHC said: To be fair American "boyband" stars also all look fairly androgynous.Asian women tend to be more positive about androgynous men (Shoujo heroes often have androgynous appearance, so do many J-Pop and K-Pop stars.) Possibly androgynous men feel less oppressive to the women who live in a pretty patriarchal society. East Asia also has a pretty long tradition of man dressing up as woman on stage, but I don't know how much it has effected popular culture. In American media males are hardly ever marketed for their looks; they're mostly marketed as a power phantasy to other males. Why? because "androgynous" is just a fancy term for "pretty" — as in smooth, perfect skin, youthful, healthy features and all that stuff. No man considers Rambo or James bond "pretty"; the character is not created for aesthetics but for a power phantasy. If you say look at Twilight or female-marketed romcoms the male lead yet again is marketed for aesthetics and looks "pretty" which is is a fancy term for "androgynous" because any male that applies foundation and facial creams to get a perfectly smooth skin will automatically be called "androgynous". It has very little to do with actual "feminine" facial contours and bone structure as much as it just has to do with a perfectly smooth skin and youthful, healthy features. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
| Because feminine guys are awesome. Also, I'm a rampant bisexual. |
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| No offense, but I hate guys who dress like girls. They can crossdress all they want, but I’ll still judge them. And don’t get me started on traps in anime. 99% of the time, the only thing to them is their crossdressing gimmick and nothing else. Oh, and the memes are annoying as shit. |
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| Clothes are just clothes, anyone should wear what they like without separation by gender. I don't particularly enjoy it as a trope in anime, but if guys can pull it off looking gorgeous or cute then why the hell not? It's so last century to think that only girls can wear dresses or even try to look cute. I want to see cute and beautiful guys too, there is nothing wrong with it. |
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Pretty sure that's supposed to appeal to a male audience |
| I mean I know traps and tomboys but any specific anime where thats liked by girls? I cant remember a specific situation for that. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Ah traps the thing that makes me wake up everyday aside from gay Anime girls. Most do it due to plot others do it cause they're simply into crossdressing and yo boi loves that stuff mmmm |
  Ascended Taste I only came back to this site for the forum sets and to promote my RYM list... Anilist ftw still :dab: |
| Because it's funny. Japan like it, Japan like cosplay - Idols. |
| closet-gay fanservice perhaps? Klad said: Japan is the all-time weirdest country. Guys dressing as girls is just the tip of the iceberg. also this |
MeisterDM said: So what exactly is the problem? Especially pertaining to drawings?No offense, but I hate guys who dress like girls. They can crossdress all they want, but I’ll still judge them. And don’t get me started on traps in anime. 99% of the time, the only thing to them is their crossdressing gimmick and nothing else. Oh, and the memes are annoying as shit. Often in drawings a character's sex is essentially just what they tell you it is. A lot of these "traps" they could have just told one the sex was the other one and one'd be none the wiser. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
| I do it sometimes, it's pretty fun as long as you can find something that suits you No real need to think too deeply about it. Just people doing what they feel like. Of course in the case of anime it's just another way of catering to certain audiences, same as any other character trope |
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| Idk why but thats look so good when i see Nagisa and Soma Yuki dressing like girls :(( |
| crossdressing is good for dudes who are feminine and its part of the anime culture so it appeals to some anime fans who are into traps |
| extremely gay............................ |
| cause why not? Traps are cute as heck |
 It’s okay to look back at the past, just don’t stare too long |
SawamuraJane said: I just really like Nagisa's outfit.Idk why but thats look so good when i see Nagisa and Soma Yuki dressing like girls :(( And of course it looks good: in drawings a character's sex is essentially what they tell you it is. Just draw up a female character and tell the audience that he is actually male and there is born another "trap". Nightmare21st said: All your comments here just scream "I am homosexual and really hate myself for it and try very hard to overcompensate.".extremely gay............................ |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: SawamuraJane said: I just really like Nagisa's outfit.Idk why but thats look so good when i see Nagisa and Soma Yuki dressing like girls :(( And of course it looks good: in drawings a character's sex is essentially what they tell you it is. Just draw up a female character and tell the audience that he is actually male and there is born another "trap". Nightmare21st said: All your comments here just scream "I am homosexual and really hate myself for it and try very hard to overcompensate.".extremely gay............................ Hey bby, wanna come over and find out if I am ;) |
Short_Circut said: What anime are you watching that you've seen more reverse traps than traditional traps? I'd like recommendations since I'm a fan of reverse traps.I've seen a lot of the other way round but I can't recall much guy crossdressing? OT: I think girls mostly find it funny when a guy dresses up as a girl, but there's definitely girls out there who have a fetish for crossdressing guys. |
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Nerdanimefan1992 said: It's surely obvious why "boys make the best girls": delicious flat chest.SydneyAnne said: I’ve watched many anime shows where girls like it when guys dress like girls. Why is it that they are attracted to that? Why is that cute and something they want? I have no clue why people find transgender trap cute  Deliciously flat. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Nerdanimefan1992 said: I guess people find something appealing about guys who look like girls.SydneyAnne said: I’ve watched many anime shows where girls like it when guys dress like girls. Why is it that they are attracted to that? Why is that cute and something they want? I have no clue why people find transgender trap cute |
It’s okay to look back at the past, just don’t stare too long |
It's not wrong: It's not too dissimilar to: "Some throwaway comment says they're siblings? that's automatically more hot." Having said that I do believe that for a certain look "boys make the cutest girls" or at least that body type. I find that "feminine" curves just don't work with a particular look as the one I posted above. Were Nagisa to actually have large mammaries or wide hips there it would surely ruin it. Clothing like that simply works the best on a body type that is most common with slender teenage males. Edit: Actually, so think I more about it — it's actually the exact same body type that is also featured in FtM traps which also typically exemplify "girls make the cutest boys". Most of these characters design-wise are interchangeable and the sex is just whatever the author tells you it is; it could be either but androgynous features are inhærently cute for being youthful; androgyny is inhærently the underdevelopment of secondary sex charactaristics which makes a character look cuter. In that sense the cutest characters are of course those with absent or poorly developed secondary sex charactaristics even if they look old enough to not qualify as a loli. |
SphinxterJun 4, 2019 4:57 AM
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
| I'm a straight, cis-gendered male and most of the anime I've seen has been in the last three years. I personally find it interesting and intriguing to see characters dress as the opposite gender, and for the longest time I really couldn't tell you why. I have no desire to look or act or feel feminine, at least not really... Recently I may have partially worked out the answer. It has to do with the notion that how males and females dress, what types of clothing are supposed to be for men and what type for women, what colors are encouraged for one gender and discouraged for the other (e.g. pink), hair styles, grooming, and even behavior, are all artificial social and cultural constructs that have little objective basis and are largely nothing more than tradition. What's wrong with men wearing dresses or skirts? Why shouldn't men wear pink? It doesn't have much to do with dressing as the opposite gender. It's more a belief that rules that dictate that men and women should dress in certain ways are just stupid and arbitrary rules. And when I see anime characters who don't follow those rules, I want to cheer them on for 'sticking it to the man' of gender conformance. |
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Ten said: Clothes are just clothes, anyone should wear what they like without separation by gender. I don't particularly enjoy it as a trope in anime, but if guys can pull it off looking gorgeous or cute then why the hell not? It's so last century to think that only girls can wear dresses or even try to look cute. I want to see cute and beautiful guys too, there is nothing wrong with it. Good point, actually.. I mean, weren't men of nobility the ones who used to wear tights at first historically?.. |
Gendolfas said: Ten said: Clothes are just clothes, anyone should wear what they like without separation by gender. I don't particularly enjoy it as a trope in anime, but if guys can pull it off looking gorgeous or cute then why the hell not? It's so last century to think that only girls can wear dresses or even try to look cute. I want to see cute and beautiful guys too, there is nothing wrong with it. Good point, actually.. I mean, weren't men of nobility the ones who used to wear tights at first historically?..  Louis XV, roi de France — nigger be rocking a dress, tights, and high heels. I also have another fine one:  It was quite common up till the late 19th century in European cultures to put young males in dresses; the left one is none other than future American præsident Franklin Delano Roosevelt by the way. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
| not sure if this relevant to this thread but I'm going to say this anyway. I'm a fujoshi fan of shounen ai, but I surely don't like traps/guys dressing like girls or male characters that look exactly like girls except he has dick. So I don't really know. I think there are many ppl like me. I mean, "bara" is a thing between fans of BL. Bara meaning yaoi that involve super macho and muscular men. While I'm not really into bara, I prefer manly men over traps. |
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Jese23 said: Short_Circut said: I've seen a lot of the other way round but I can't recall much guy crossdressing? Steins Gate and Monster zombie_pegasus said: Short_Circut said: What anime are you watching that you've seen more reverse traps than traditional traps? I'd like recommendations since I'm a fan of reverse traps.I've seen a lot of the other way round but I can't recall much guy crossdressing? OT: I think girls mostly find it funny when a guy dresses up as a girl, but there's definitely girls out there who have a fetish for crossdressing guys. ok just realized I was thinking it the other way round, ignore that post lolol |
'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
Klad said: ^THIS. Weirdest but bestest too.Japan is the all-time weirdest country. Guys dressing as girls is just the tip of the iceberg. only times guys are cute are when you think they're a 2D waifu but they really 2D husbando |
| “The world is full of nice people. If you can't find one, be one.” ― Nishan Panwar 8=D ~ O: |
| It varries from the character just liking the clothes, to doing cosplay, to it being forced on them, to it being the only clothes they have available, to trying to attract someone of the same sex that isn't explicitly gay or bi, or trying to go in disguise, or them being transgender and see themselves as a girl. |
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| To pander to fujo/fudanshi? Maybe? Who knows. What did Jessica Rabbit say? "I'm just drawn this way" |
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| It's a fetish. You don't question it, you just enjoy it. Personally I find guys wearing girl clothes super cute/hot, but traps make me megasleep. I find the opposite (girls wearing guy clothes) hot too. |
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Medialuna said: It's a fetish. You don't question it, you just enjoy it. Ah yes, "fetish", that convoluted word for "taste that is unusual". No man has ever called liking breasts a "fetish" but if it's feet or traps there needs to be a special word for "taste" because the entirety of the universe needs to be segregated amongst the very important line of "normal" and "unusual". |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: Depending on how deep your tastes go, you might even get a whole new word ;)Medialuna said: It's a fetish. You don't question it, you just enjoy it. Ah yes, "fetish", that convoluted word for "taste that is unusual". No man has ever called liking breasts a "fetish" but if it's feet or traps there needs to be a special word for "taste" because the entirety of the universe needs to be segregated amongst the very important line of "normal" and "unusual". |
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traed said: I'm pretty sure that at least 95% of the time the internal "plot reasons" are created for the sake of having a character crossdress, not the other way around.It varries from the character just liking the clothes, to doing cosplay, to it being forced on them, to it being the only clothes they have available, to trying to attract someone of the same sex that isn't explicitly gay or bi, or trying to go in disguise, or them being transgender and see themselves as a girl. Some of the viewers just like the idea for its own sake and others like me just believe that "boys make the cutest girls" as I explained. I'm quite sure that in a lot of these characters the initial design process had them start out as female but at some point down the line they decided to keep the same character design but declare that the character be male or vice versa. "gender" is a vague and useless enough concept in real life but with drawings one often encounters the situation where the difference between a "trap" and a ḧutanari" is purely the label and when the genitals aren't visible but the viewer is simply supposed to "know" what they are it gets even vaguer; can one really assume that? What if it be the ultimate mind-fuck and we have an FtM "trap" that is also a hutanari and thus has a penis but really this character that looks male and has male genitals is female because... we say is it! |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: traed said: I'm pretty sure that at least 95% of the time the internal "plot reasons" are created for the sake of having a character crossdress, not the other way around.It varries from the character just liking the clothes, to doing cosplay, to it being forced on them, to it being the only clothes they have available, to trying to attract someone of the same sex that isn't explicitly gay or bi, or trying to go in disguise, or them being transgender and see themselves as a girl. Some of the viewers just like the idea for its own sake and others like me just believe that "boys make the cutest girls" as I explained. I'm quite sure that in a lot of these characters the initial design process had them start out as female but at some point down the line they decided to keep the same character design but declare that the character be male or vice versa. "gender" is a vague and useless enough concept in real life but with drawings one often encounters the situation where the difference between a "trap" and a ḧutanari" is purely the label and when the genitals aren't visible but the viewer is simply supposed to "know" what they are it gets even vaguer; can one really assume that? What if it be the ultimate mind-fuck and we have an FtM "trap" that is also a hutanari and thus has a penis but really this character that looks male and has male genitals is female because... we say is it! It can be either. It's not always obvious which way it is. I was only answering half of the OPs questions not the part on why people like the characters. |
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| its like a cultural thing since they have the kabuki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuki#1629%E2%80%931673:_Transition_to_yar%C5%8D-kabuki |
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