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| poor 9. his buddy is going full retard and losing sight of their goals. i mean you gotta have a pretty crazy conviction to play terrorist and now to suddenly lose sight of that cause of some girl... ugh. |
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| ooh what a build up episode. let the next one come :3 |
 "In the past few months since we met, I've shared many memories with Nagato. Though I've also shared memories with Haruhi, Asahina-san and Koizumi, I found that I've experienced more events with Nagato in particular. In fact, every situation seems to involve her. I might as well mention this, she's probably the only person to cause the bell within me to shake the most vigorously..." ~ Kyon, TMOSH |
pakoko said: Haha no problem man, you're good. You're right that the show hasn't done much else to portray Five in a different light. I've just been seeing a lot of people (besides you) complaining about Five being 1-dimensional without really giving her a chance. Sorry if it sounded like I was taking it out on you. Yeah there's still 3 more episodes so we'll see how Watanabe pulls this off... or not. As for the show not really explaining anything, that's just how the show decided to tell its story. It's really up to the viewers to deduce background information by paying close attention to the anime (like how I deduced that Five seems to be suffering from withdrawal symptoms of a drug possibly administered during the Athena plan). The show will never resort to info dump unless it REALLY has to, that I can guarantee. If you take Aldnoah.Zero for example, do you remember Inaho talking to himself weirdly about how he beat a Vers Kataphrakt? There are many instances in that show that outright reveals background info through dialogue, but ZnT relies more on giving "hints" throughout. I don't have a problem with that kind of storytelling when it is necessary. My question more so is what is the point of keeping this info a secret until the end? Keeping information such as the MC's motives away until the end seems really odd to me, I can't cheer for them because I don't know if they are good guys or not, all I have to go off of is they blow up buildings so I don't cheer for them. Then they are up against the evil government people, whom again, don't know why they are doing what they are doing so I cannot cheer for them either, I just see them as bad people as well. I am not asking them to spell it out for me, I am more so just asking for the basics here. Who are they and what do they want? Not saying I necessarily need the answers of both sides, but 1 side at least. Those questions let me feel immersed in the characters, either for or against them. It gives me a reason to follow them. Finding out why they are doing everything is fine but if it takes the entire series for me to start having a view of them, then that kind of fails doesn't it? Giving hints throughout is okay, leaving out information that would benefit the immersion of a story just so it can have a different form of storytelling is not. I guess that's just my interpretation of it is all. I'll wait and see what exactly it was that they are keeping from us, but if it isn't something that truly needed to be kept a secret, then there was no point to keeping it a secret in the first place and only damaged my enjoyment of the show overall and stopped us from getting insight into the characters at an earlier stage and thus preventing us from getting to know them as MC's until the very end where it doesn't matter anymore. I mean... Can you honestly say you are truly cheering for these guys? Or at the very least have some sort of idea of what you think of them? What happens if they win? We don't know. What happens if they lose? We don't know and we won't know until near the end of the series where there is little need for immersion anymore. That would be okay if they let us know that the characters don't know either(Like if they were forced to work towards something but didn't know what it was), but they do know. Idunno, what do you think? This is the main issue I had with the show throughout. I'd like to get your view on it. |
KetenSep 4, 2014 1:14 PM
| Not really the best episode. It could've been a lot better. 3/5 |
| Its going down next episode 12 vs 5 but watch 9 come and save Lisa. And Nine is the same one who hates Lisa with a passion. He views her like Sakura from Naruto just useless. |
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| Hmm so much to say but I'll be brief. This anime is definitely not turning out the way I thought it would. I do not like Lisa's character at all. I'm still waiting on her relevance to this day. I fail to understand why Twelve has such a bond with her. I feel that they truly didn't spend that much time together and he has less emotions regarding your average person. But I digress I could somehow come to some form of friendship recognition but not enough to go full-throttle into a trap for. Yes it's sad and utterly terrible she is caught up in this mess, but if you know Fives end game is to get Twelve and Nine then why give her that leisure? I'm not really liking where the plot is headed at this point. The only scenes I am quite intrigued by are the informative ones about the academy with Shibazaki :/ |
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| Pretty sure Shibazaki is gonna die |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
| While I was watching this episode, I got a thought, that I'd probably enjoyed this show much more, if it was a male-only story ('terrorists' vs. police forces). Five is a pure cliche of a bad character and Lisa so far has done nothing, that would make me care about her future, so each time they are on the screen I feel like skipping few minutes. Tho I'm still hoping for some big twist/surprise, that will change my opinion about this series. |
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| Man Lisa. Wat u trying to do? She's making everything worse when she tries to make it better |
| So seems like Twelve wasn't that much invested in this whole bombing thing and I think he likes Lisa because they both want basically the same thing: normal life, normal family. At least that's how I see it because otherwise I can't explain why would he do something so reckless as run away from Nine, especially with that look and tone "Please don't go." Ugh, well I would freeze (or melt) on the spot. I like the detectives, I have a crazy wish that somehow Shibazaki and Nine will get together and bury Five under that falling bridge of hers. Wait, was that POCKY? |
| lots of things im really curious to know.. |
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Keten said: I don't have a problem with that kind of storytelling when it is necessary. My question more so is what is the point of keeping this info a secret until the end? Keeping information such as the MC's motives away until the end seems really odd to me, I can't cheer for them because I don't know if they are good guys or not, all I have to go off of is they blow up buildings so I don't cheer for them. Then they are up against the evil government people, whom again, don't know why they are doing what they are doing so I cannot cheer for them either, I just see them as bad people as well. I am not asking them to spell it out for me, I am more so just asking for the basics here. Who are they and what do they want? Not saying I necessarily need the answers of both sides, but 1 side at least. Those questions let me feel immersed in the characters, either for or against them. It gives me a reason to follow them. Finding out why they are doing everything is fine but if it takes the entire series for me to start having a view of them, then that kind of fails doesn't it? Giving hints throughout is okay, leaving out information that would benefit the immersion of a story just so it can have a different form of storytelling is not. I guess that's just my interpretation of it is all. I'll wait and see what exactly it was that they are keeping from us, but if it isn't something that truly needed to be kept a secret, then there was no point to keeping it a secret in the first place and only damaged my enjoyment of the show overall and stopped us from getting insight into the characters at an earlier stage and thus preventing us from getting to know them as MC's until the very end where it doesn't matter anymore. I mean... Can you honestly say you are truly cheering for these guys? Or at the very least have some sort of idea of what you think of them? What happens if they win? We don't know. What happens if they lose? We don't know and we won't know until near the end of the series where there is little need for immersion anymore. That would be okay if they let us know that the characters don't know either(Like if they were forced to work towards something but didn't know what it was), but they do know. Idunno, what do you think? This is the main issue I had with the show throughout. I'd like to get your view on it. Incoming long response |
| Baka Lisa This episode was okay....Still kinda boring and felt like more set up...The 9/11 episode better not disappoint |
pakoko said: Incoming long response I will put my post in spoilers too then. lol Even if it isn't as long. |
| I feel like at this point, Lisa's existence only serves to interfere and mess up 9 and 12. Perhaps her entire character is just for this one purpose and to cause discord between 9 and 12. I do wonder how this show will end...... hopefully 9 and 12 don't end up being martyrs in order to expose the government's cover up of the Athena Project. |
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| GDI LISA... IM TIRED OF THIS DAMSEL IN DISTRESS SHIT |
| Lisa is always giving them problems, right? So far she is just burden, yet Twelve had already fallen for her. Are those feelings something that was forbidden for them? And what was that sentence that they don't have time? Those headaches? Are they actually die without proper medication? Anyway, lot of explanations this time. Are they going to catch Twelve running into that trap? But even that I think Nine will try to activate that bomb soon. And detective's daughter was confirmed to be someone else, not Lisa. At least they are trying to not be so obvious and I like that. |
| This calls it, after going through God knows what experiments, these guys got themselves a limited lifespan and because of that, Nine and Twelve are doing what they are doing. I dunno why they want to use Plutonium though since so far they haven't killed nobody. Five is also on her limit and wants to settle the score before that happens. |
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| slow episode twelve is having cold feet and stupid Lisa getting caught by five |
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Arw said: Would he? I don't know how postal service works in other countries like Japan, but in mine the guy would leave information, that he tried to deliver the package, but didn't get to meet addressee. He would take the package with him (not leave it, so any random person can pick it up) to the post office or company he works in. That means - her stupidity might! have saved his life. Lol that was my worst nightmare in college. However, even in the US where I live, as long as they had access they dropped off the packages in front of my door (unless I post something telling them to drop it off somewhere else). Certain companies definitely don't even bother (companies called UPS or Fedex), but others do leave it in front. More importantly, the focus should not be on whether she accepted the package or not, but what she did in response. Instead of throwing the bomb off the veranda or something, she decided to escape the building to avoid killing anyone. |
| Lisa is a fucking drag. Again she hinders the boys plans. Twelve is a big idiot. |
Keten said: I will put my post in spoilers too then. lol Even if it isn't as long. Lol spoiler wars! |
| Lisa logic: leaves them to not cause any more problems. What happens: causes even more problems. Good job Lisa, good job. Awesome episode as always. I feel like the animation could be better, sometimes it seems too low quality. |
| What is the name of the song that plays right after the OP in this episode? |
| I don't consider myself a good judge. trying not to be an obnoxious otaku |
| Shibazaki could have 2 daughters you know.. |
| "Burn the heretics" |
| Twelve wants to make babies with Lisa :P No one touches his waifu. Between his waifu and his best friend...Nine just got owned...lol. Anyway everyone is hating on Lisa again but honestly even with her brainless attitude of running away (duhhhhh =_=) I still like her much, much more than Five. Five has no respect for human lives at all and that pisses me off. Go Shibazaaaaakiiii! |
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
| LISSAAAA :''( <3 Once again a great episode with a good lead up to the next but.. God please don't let Lisa be the first major death, as i can see one approaching. PLEASE NOT LISA |
The best anime is the Road to El Dorado |
| This episode definitely set up the remaining three episodes....Many great moments here. The character development achieved in such a short time is quite astounding...The Nine/Twelve combo finally seems to be falling apart, and the (former) detectives are getting ever closer to revealing the truth. And that plutonium... |
| I'm in a band! Check it here- https://fanlink.to/tropicvibez |
| The situation become quite a messed up. I still don't know what exactly Sphinx motivation though. And Lisa, please stop become a burden. She even stay a burden even when she attempting to not become a burden anymore. That was so stupid. |
| I still wait for the moment Lisa kicks ass. |
| Your so-called peaceful world makes me bored, so don't blame me if I destroy all of it. - http://worldinverse.smackjeeves.com |
| [quote=Arw] pakoko said: Ailly said: Even if Lisa hadn't answered the door, the bomb would have gone off anyway because the man probably would have left the bomb in front of the door. Would he? I don't know how postal service works in other countries like Japan, but in mine the guy would leave information, that he tried to deliver the package, but didn't get to meet addressee. He would take the package with him (not leave it, so any random person can pick it up) to the post office or company he works in. That means - her stupidity might! have saved his life. Yeah that is how it is done in Japan too, they don't let the package out and put a delievery notice instead. This episode was quite boring. I never liked Lisa much but I expected her to have a role at some point. If it was to just be the annoying heroine, they could have done without her. Really hate these type of characters who are useless, stupid and bring only trouble. |
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| After so long at last released, could not stand it; ( Tati and my theories about the father of Lisa Shibasaki be turned to dust, but it was good to try :) I found it very good as this episode proved that the orphanage where Nine and Twelve were actually made in testing gifted children, and the way that seemed were being tested as laboratory rats with new medications, which showed the involvement of pharmaceutical, medical, industries and others. I felt at the time of the dialogue the Five and Lisa, she felt jealous of her being with the boys, a doubt is why she is so obsessed with killing them? I think it is not only because they have not been able to save her at the orphanage ... Twelve going after Lisa found it beautiful, but boring at the same time leaving the Nine back, hopefully you know what you're doing ... the episode was great as always it had enough revelations, worth missing only three to finish the anime :( |
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| Being Lisa status : still suffering. Poor Lisa, she never catch a break. Five is so annoying. She's so stupid : ''You're life is worthless! That's why I'm so obscessed about it..?'' /s The thing that annoy me the most his how much power she have. How can those people who seem to be agent go along with her childish crap? Seriously, she would be such a big diplomatic incident if that was happening in real life. If she could just die in the next episode and move on, it would be great. The theory about Lisa being Shibazaki daughter has been crushed into piece. His daughter seem nice though. |
minouneetzoeSep 4, 2014 8:25 PM
| «Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.» - Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie |
| Lisa isn't doing anything good this episode. Not a great episode, kinda slow |
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| A set up ep but what an ep nevetherless. Five was pretty cool as the villian this ep and also nice to know that there is something wrong with them all and they are running out of time. Well with 3 more eps left I can't wait to see how this will go from here. Sent with Mal Updater |
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minouneetzoe said: Being Lisa status : still suffering. Poor Lisa, she never catch a break. Five is so annoying. She's so stupid : ''You're life is worthless! That's why I'm so obscessed about it..?'' /s The thing that annoy me the most his how much power she have. How can those people who seem to be agent go along with her childish crap? Seriously, she would be such a big diplomatic incident if that was happening in real life. If she could just die in the next episode and move on, it would be great. The theory about Lisa being Shibazaki daughter has been crushed into piece. His daughter seem nice though. Yeah, Five still so suck. I am still don't understand why she can doing what she likes like that. This show supposedly attempting to become a realistic incident about terror. But Five just crushed that realistic aspect with her all mighty power. |
| so ye 5, 9, 12 are gifted orphan children thats been chemically experimented by the government, and i bet 9 and 12 are terrorizing because they want to send a message to the people to beware of the government |
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