| Those cute, moe-style anime series with adorable girls doing cute things? They're ruining the industry. We need more substance and originality, not just cookie-cutter characters and mindless cuteness. |
| It used to be long ago, yes. But it's not anymore, and hasn't been for years. Like @Zera66 said, that would have been an accurate statement if it had been posted around 2007, but in 2023? Naah, fortunately moe plague is over. ;p Trends change, so nowadays we are having a lot of isekai shows released each season. It's not as intense as moe used to be, but hey - trends are trends, anyway. |
| I recall Aku no Hana tried to do something different and everyone hated it for it. "Dogs get dog food" I guess |
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| No, the real plague is all the generic Isekai and Harem trash. Onegai Moe.  |
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| the over-proliferation of "moe" anime is a myth. even at the height of this so-called epidemic, there were 2-4 per season. |
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epidemia78 said: Let him be playing the connoisseur . Ha has just stated his very "refined" and "up-to-date" opinion.the over-proliferation of "moe" anime is a myth. even at the height of this so-called epidemic, there were 2-4 per season. He will grow out of it. |
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| I disagree, i think it's adorable and worthy of being celebrated, the true plague is the boring mass produced isekais. |
Gwyn223 said: Those cute, moe-style anime series with adorable girls doing cute things? They're ruining the industry. We need more substance and originality, not just cookie-cutter characters and mindless cuteness. Let me guess, you're a confused wayward time traveler who doesn't know what year it is? I can help you out. It's the year of the Lord 2023 and we live in a world where anime is no longer plagued by moe, but rather by a madness known as isekai. It's basically replaced the entire fantasy and scifi genres at this point. The vector of transmission is generally karoshi or a slippery villain commonly referred to as Truck Kun.  |
MeltingSkyMay 20, 2023 1:40 AM
| at least they are not as bad and soulless as battle shounen anime |
| actually these moe anime are bringing in the money to help the studios make those idiotic elitist anime no one watches |
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epidemia78 said: Depends on how somebody defines "moe anime". I consider it personally as a term for anime having significant amount of moe elements in it, and a lot of people I met saw it in that way as well. But regardless the way one defines it, moe stuff was really popular in anime back in the day, so it's nothing close to a myth or overexaggeration. It was just a trend, with the anime industry deciding to simply go with the flow and do what was popular and what sold well back then.the over-proliferation of "moe" anime is a myth. even at the height of this so-called epidemic, there were 2-4 per season. However, if you consider "moe anime" as specifically typical CGDCT shows, then yes, it wasn't like 50% of seasonals belonged to that genre. That being said, it's inaccurate to handle "moe anime" that way, since not every anime with even a lot of moe elements in it can fall under CGDCT category. Look at some KyoAni's animated series. They have moe elements, even a lot of them (i.e. Clannad), but they are not CGDCT shows. Whether it was a plague or not - it depends on the point of view. What can be said for certain is that at the moment it's something already belonging to the past (hurray ;-) ), with other trends taking its place. |
| You're going to need better bait.... |
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| Moe anime has been part of anime since anime was first made, and there aren't as many moe anime per season compare to generic shounen. Why is it always battle shounen fanboys with the worst takes here? |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
TheMechaManiac said: Yeah, I don't think classical moe is that important right now. Sure, it was the cancer killing anime from 2007 until around 2013 (and it did do permanent damage by pushing several more high-concept genres like mecha, sci-fi and classical fantasy out of the public limelight, and thus, the line of profit, which is why we see way less of those genres in the modern day - a true shame). Nowadays, though? I'd say romcoms have become the big cancer genre (they're actually managing to push battle shounen to the sidelines, something none of the previous cancer waves was able to do), alongside generic isekai still clinging on to it's part of the market (though nowhere as much as in the days of Re:Zero, SAO and Konosuba, all top-percentile cancer titles). was mecha, sci fi and fantasy anime ever all that profitable? If so, then how come long before K-On was a thing, Berserk ended at 25 episodes with no season 2 even after all these years? Mecha was all about selling model kits and the rushed, shoddy and unfinished state of most old school fantasy anime leads me to believe they exist only to promote or act as a supplement to the source material. Anime has never been good about sticking with a project through to the end. I've been burned too many times. 12, maybe 24 episodes (or less) from a source with 100s of volumes. Yeah, no thanks. That tells me it will only waste my time and leave me feeling unsatisfied and bitter, again. And that's why simple, light SOL comedies about nothing in particular is a much better fit for anime's 1-season and we're done business model. There's no epic overarching plot to leave unresolved. |
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| a real life time-traveler ! sugoi ! |
| Moe art-style by itself is not a problem. The real problem are MOEBLOB anime that have no substance and rely solely on moe factor to keep viewers engaged. As is the case with a lot of anime from slice of life CGDCT and Iyashikei genre. |
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epidemia78 said: the over-proliferation of "moe" anime is a myth. even at the height of this so-called epidemic, there were 2-4 per season. The current generic anime art style is heavily moe influenced, so we have basically never truly recovered from it. |
the "Moe Plague" gave my my Wife... so the OP's arguments are the sheer definition of Invalid. |
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| Moe is the only thing that is watchable and makes money these days. Just don't watch it if you don't like it. |
Serafos said: No, the real plague is all the generic Isekai and Harem trash. tchitchouan said: I disagree, i think it's adorable and worthy of being celebrated, the true plague is the boring mass produced isekais. I'll take the worst isekai or cgdct over something insipid like Jujutsu Kaisen any time of the day. Now this type of anime is a real plague. |
| "Moe" just refers to a feeling of affection or attraction towards a fictional character. Given that, you could really consider any kind of anime to be "moe" so it's kinda a useless descriptor in that regard. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
Gwyn223 said: Those cute, moe-style anime series with adorable girls doing cute things? They're ruining the industry. We need more substance and originality, not just cookie-cutter characters and mindless cuteness. Don't like Moe, but I think the plague as pasted. However if you're not a seasonal watcher (like myself) it dose mean when you look back to find new shows to watch a lot of the time you do end up sifting through a lot of Moe. Currently the worst trend is Isekai - I wish Isekai wasn't so generic but nearly all of them are set in a high fantasy setting where the main weak not weak male lead gets a harem. It so boring and unoriginal. (Overlord is seemingly the one exception as he is overpowered... but still has a harem.) Give me the Berserk or Claymore of Isekai and I'll gladly watch it, taking an average every man and dropping him on a new world forced to survive impossible odds - that would be legit amazing. Bring in some deconstruction of the tropes like Evangelion or Madoka did for there respective genres. Such as turn the tables, first arc as our lead forced into a harem to win the princess affection in court from her other suitors, make him join the evil faction as a low ranked mercenary because they'll hirer even an outlander to fight for the demon lords conquest of middle earth. Seriously do anything new and original because it a genre with tones of potential. |
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| once you've touch less and less grass you'll understand, so this time, I'll let you off the hook. |
Gwyn223 said: Man thought I time travelled back to 2009 lol. Anyway you should watch something like Girls Last Tour before you open your mouth. Making massive generalizations about trends in media almost always is going to make you look dumb.Those cute, moe-style anime series with adorable girls doing cute things? They're ruining the industry. We need more substance and originality, not just cookie-cutter characters and mindless cuteness. TheMechaManiac said: Minimalistic art styles actually work for juxtaposition something like Girls Last Tour is going for and Yuru Camp's style just worked with the atmosphere. I would hardly say they are soulless more so than any anime art style trend.This is true, but moe is still pretty soulless if you ask me. The flat-chested kid girl aesthetic is PEAK SOULLESS. |
| Did I just time-travel back to the mid-late 2000's? I thought the whole moe bitching school of thought was considered passé by the time the 2010's rolled around... |
OrororurandoMay 20, 2023 11:15 AM
| you clearly don't understand the greatness that moe is and it is truly sad. i hope you get better. |
 The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
TheMechaManiac said: Gwyn223 said: Those cute, moe-style anime series with adorable girls doing cute things? They're ruining the industry. We need more substance and originality, not just cookie-cutter characters and mindless cuteness. Yeah, I don't think classical moe is that important right now. Sure, it was the cancer killing anime from 2007 until around 2013 (and it did do permanent damage by pushing several more high-concept genres like mecha, sci-fi and classical fantasy out of the public limelight, and thus, the line of profit, which is why we see way less of those genres in the modern day - a true shame). Nowadays, though? I'd say romcoms have become the big cancer genre (they're actually managing to push battle shounen to the sidelines, something none of the previous cancer waves was able to do), alongside generic isekai still clinging on to it's part of the market (though nowhere as much as in the days of Re:Zero, SAO and Konosuba, all top-percentile cancer titles). I don't think it's rom coms that are pushing battle shounen to the side since they appeal to a very different audience's tastes. It's the action isekai that are competing with them. I do however think battle shounen are getting sidelined a bit due to an overall shift in the anime audience's tastes as a whole. |
MeltingSkyMay 20, 2023 12:55 PM
Gwyn223 said: Moe anime is a plague "OhMyGod-OhMyGod... I... i think it's gone Airborne... He just wont stop screaming out for this "Sachie-chan" - I Don't Know what to Do HELP ME!!!"  |
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| Better than mindless "monster of the week" fighting shounens that have the spotlights since forever |
| Nino is the objectively superior one, don't @ me |
| As much as I loath cutesy anime myself, yes it's what makes money to anime studio, sadly. That's what I have been telling for moons: it's due to the general anime fans not wanting to get out of their comfort zone and watch things not goddamn set in high school or alternate worlds where chosen one kun is felated by everybody. It's always pathetically amusing to see the hypetards blather nonsense catchphrases as "It's like nothing we've ever seen before huurrlrlrrlrrrr!". No bitch, if it was really nothing like you've ever seen before, you'd give it a wide berth because it'd not be like the usual weeab stuff you have such a boner for. "Otaku" (god I hate this term with all my soul) want easily digestible, harmless, escapist throwaway fluff with surface level scenarization. They don't give a damn about high brow, authorial works with a more complex framework vision than just "Gotta enjoy laifu, waifu and my gaimu". |
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Gwyn223 said: This is the usual boomer opinion that pops up every week.They're ruining the industry. We need more substance and originality, not just cookie-cutter characters and mindless cuteness. You draw a non-cookie cutter original creative manga of substance, perhaps when you do you might realize that in 2023 basically every single story that could have been told has been already. It makes no sense to put everything into writing something truly original when it almost inevitably comes at the expense of making it interesting. And if you do manage to write something both original and interesting then good for you, the experience might still teach you why even talented authors cannot do that. |
| That's the heart and soul of cafes in akiba... That's why we need more sexy older women like the best maid in akiba Ranko-san |
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| Ah yes the "I don't like this thing, therefore it shouldn't exist" stance....I'm not to crazy about them either, but every medium needs a certain amount of variety to it. It can't just be filled with things you like. |
| No, it isn't. |
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| You could probably count the amount of "moeshit" that comes out each season on one hand. Moe isn't ruining the industry, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise. The world would be a lot better if there was more moe anime. |
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| That's not true. If you want to talk about over-saturation of genres, they happen whenever some piece of media becomes popular. In the 70s and 80s, Star Wars got popular worldwide, but especially in Japan. So people made a million sci-fi anime to try and be the next Star Wars. In the 90s, Neon Genesis Evangelion became popular, so a million mecha anime were made to try and be the next Evangelion. In the 2000s, some moe anime (Lucky Star?) became popular, so a million moe anime were made to try and be exactly like it. In the 2010s, Sword Art Online became popular, and now we have a million isekai anime trying to be the next SAO. In the 2020s, some anime will become popular, and a million people will try to copy it to become popular. Just because an anime is in this oversaturated genre doesn't make it bad though. K-On was a moe anime during the moe years and was amazing. |
ForgotEyeWasHereMay 20, 2023 3:29 PM
| I declared this thread as an insult. I don't ever knew who you are and how dare you dictated my taste |
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AnimePedestrian said: Gwyn223 said: Those cute, moe-style anime series with adorable girls doing cute things? They're ruining the industry. We need more substance and originality, not just cookie-cutter characters and mindless cuteness. Don't like Moe, but I think the plague as pasted. However if you're not a seasonal watcher (like myself) it dose mean when you look back to find new shows to watch a lot of the time you do end up sifting through a lot of Moe. Currently the worst trend is Isekai - I wish Isekai wasn't so generic but nearly all of them are set in a high fantasy setting where the main weak not weak male lead gets a harem. It so boring and unoriginal. (Overlord is seemingly the one exception as he is overpowered... but still has a harem.) Give me the Berserk or Claymore of Isekai and I'll gladly watch it, taking an average every man and dropping him on a new world forced to survive impossible odds - that would be legit amazing. Bring in some deconstruction of the tropes like Evangelion or Madoka did for there respective genres. Such as turn the tables, first arc as our lead forced into a harem to win the princess affection in court from her other suitors, make him join the evil faction as a low ranked mercenary because they'll hirer even an outlander to fight for the demon lords conquest of middle earth. Seriously do anything new and original because it a genre with tones of potential. Maybe you can check out Ima Soko ni Iru Boku. |
Ionliosite2 said: AnimePedestrian said: Don't like Moe, but I think the plague as pasted. However if you're not a seasonal watcher (like myself) it dose mean when you look back to find new shows to watch a lot of the time you do end up sifting through a lot of Moe. Currently the worst trend is Isekai - I wish Isekai wasn't so generic but nearly all of them are set in a high fantasy setting where the main weak not weak male lead gets a harem. It so boring and unoriginal. (Overlord is seemingly the one exception as he is overpowered... but still has a harem.) Give me the Berserk or Claymore of Isekai and I'll gladly watch it, taking an average every man and dropping him on a new world forced to survive impossible odds - that would be legit amazing. Bring in some deconstruction of the tropes like Evangelion or Madoka did for there respective genres. Such as turn the tables, first arc as our lead forced into a harem to win the princess affection in court from her other suitors, make him join the evil faction as a low ranked mercenary because they'll hirer even an outlander to fight for the demon lords conquest of middle earth. Seriously do anything new and original because it a genre with tones of potential. Maybe you can check out Ima Soko ni Iru Boku. Ima Solo ni Iru Boku. I'll look into it. |
Sometimes it takes a real man to be best girl. Gilgamesh is also chad. |
Npclucario said: AnimePedestrian said: Don't like Moe, but I think the plague as pasted. However if you're not a seasonal watcher (like myself) it dose mean when you look back to find new shows to watch a lot of the time you do end up sifting through a lot of Moe. Currently the worst trend is Isekai - I wish Isekai wasn't so generic but nearly all of them are set in a high fantasy setting where the main weak not weak male lead gets a harem. It so boring and unoriginal. (Overlord is seemingly the one exception as he is overpowered... but still has a harem.) Give me the Berserk or Claymore of Isekai and I'll gladly watch it, taking an average every man and dropping him on a new world forced to survive impossible odds - that would be legit amazing. Bring in some deconstruction of the tropes like Evangelion or Madoka did for there respective genres. Such as turn the tables, first arc as our lead forced into a harem to win the princess affection in court from her other suitors, make him join the evil faction as a low ranked mercenary because they'll hirer even an outlander to fight for the demon lords conquest of middle earth. Seriously do anything new and original because it a genre with tones of potential. Does re:zero count? Main dude is pretty weak and only ability is essentially being able to load auto saves when he dies, plus it goes over his personal issues and actually treats the original world and what happened there like it actually matters instead of forgotten. Not a perfect deconstruction but it's my favorite anime in large part due to it's main character and the struggles he goes through. Re:Zero is kinda shit. And it's pretty obvious Subaru has a little harem surrounding him not to mention the fact that all of the girl characters have some silly quirk which some people might find "moe". so obviously it's not for him. He should watch 12 Kingdoms instead. Nobody in it is especially cute. |
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| No, it's not... You need to shut up... |
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| Moe, Isekai, harem. I'm not the target audience for any of those and I really don't like them. |
Floral_soap said: Honestly usually when anyone is over 20 and finds those animes enjoyable they are usually part of the top bottom of society .Moe, Isekai, harem. I'm not the target audience for any of those and I really don't like them. |
| I enjoy CGDCT infinitely more than isekai harem. Besides, not every anime needs to be life-changing high art. Sometimes you just want to turn your brain off and watch some cute girls. |
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