| Yeah, it's quite overused. There's literally an anime airing this season with this trope as the premise, Shikimori-san everyone? |
| You mean the hero should just sit back and wait? Not very heroic if you ask me. What if this very capable lady you speak of fucks up? Even the most competent people can make mistakes. A helping hand in a dire situation should always be appreciated. |
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| dora always know the answer, but she still ask us to work together. teamwork is important as part of building relationship. |
| The average man is stronger than like 70% of women. It is a sad truth but when it comes to a physical fight most women do not stand a chance towards men. |
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| outdated or not it's pretty cool, I love that trope. the reason I think Bleach is the best battle shonen ever is because of Ichigo going to hueco mundo for Orihime. in the end, anime is big, there are stories which lack this trope so I don't see where's the problem. |
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| Bruh thread. Everyone else already gave good responses so I can only add on to what they said. Even the strongest and most competent people make mistakes and end up in dire situations. Everyone. Which is why teamwork is important, so you can look out for each other. Especially if you're a woman, since they are biologically physically weaker than men. Why do you think it's always the guy saving the girl and not the other way around? But more importantly, why do you think humans hunt in groups and not alone? Besides, that's how it's been for millennia. Men go out and hunt for food to provide for the family while women take care of the children, since they're both proficient at different skill sets. Men and women can do things the other gender can't. It's what nature programmed us to do, and since it's always been that way, it appears in fiction as well. Sure it's overused, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. |
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| It's called the damsel in distress trope and well, it's a cheap yet effective way to exploit empathy and affection. It's true that it's overused and it won't go anywhere; might even continue to evolve. |
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| It's pretty overused, but I hope you aren't just suggesting a gender swap, because that'd be pointless. |
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| Saving someone from danger is a part of chivalry. It doesn't matter if it's a woman or man. Look at a title like "Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?", the entire story literally starts off with the main protagonist suddenly being saved by a stronger person which happens to be the female lead of the franchise known as the "Sword Princess". She caught the protagonist in a very compromising situation fearing for his life from a minotaur, crying out for help in a desperation. I have seen enough Anime titles which have a similar theme where a female comes to save the life of a male character plenty of times where it's hard to say it's always men needing to protect a woman. Maybe this type of trope is overused but it certainly doesn't seem outdated. Like other users have pointed out, should we just start having franchises simply abandon chivalrous themes where others run away from rescuing someone in dire straits? |
ColourWheelMay 3, 2022 7:35 AM
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JaniSIr said: It's pretty overused, but I hope you aren't just suggesting a gender swap, because that'd be pointless. They did that in Gintama, they dedicated a whole arc to a genderswap and how the males hog all the glory. |
| Women actually love that deep down, being protected by men. |
| Based Certified. I love anime armpits. |
Mirai said: The average man is stronger than like 70% of women. It is a sad truth but when it comes to a physical fight most women do not stand a chance towards men. You do realize we are talking about anime, where the laws of physics and reality in general have never applied for ANYTHING really? Based_Department said: I love being told by a man what I love, because my stupid little woman brain can't figure that out myself and must clearly be wrong, after all, who would know better what women like than a man? 🙄Women actually love that deep down, being protected by men. That said, I actually think anime doesn't have the problem OP described all that much, because kick-ass girls are pretty popular in anime, so they are very present in lots of shows, even those specifically aimed at guys. Even with all it's "wokeness" role reversals, you'll have a much harder time finding a show about a useless guy being fawned over by a harem of super competent girls who keep saving his ass in Western media than in anime, where such scenarios are rather common. |
SleepySera said: I would like to amend my statement by saying women love being protected by men deep down, except some women like SleepySera.Mirai said: The average man is stronger than like 70% of women. It is a sad truth but when it comes to a physical fight most women do not stand a chance towards men. You do realize we are talking about anime, where the laws of physics and reality in general have never applied for ANYTHING really? Based_Department said: I love being told by a man what I love, because my stupid little woman brain can't figure that out myself and must clearly be wrong, after all, who would know better what women like than a man? 🙄Women actually love that deep down, being protected by men. That said, I actually think anime doesn't have the problem OP described all that much, because kick-ass girls are pretty popular in anime, so they are very present in lots of shows, even those specifically aimed at guys. Even with all it's "wokeness" role reversals, you'll have a much harder time finding a show about a useless guy being fawned over by a harem of super competent girls who keep saving his ass in Western media than in anime, where such scenarios are rather common. |
| Based Certified. I love anime armpits. |
SleepySera said: Mirai said: The average man is stronger than like 70% of women. It is a sad truth but when it comes to a physical fight most women do not stand a chance towards men. You do realize we are talking about anime, where the laws of physics and reality in general have never applied for ANYTHING really? True, the fact that a man would save a woman instead of letting her suffer is an act of fantasy by itself after all. |
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| It's also objectification of women if a strong woman protects a weak man, like it is shown in Shikimori. |
| Don't have much issue with that. My distaste for the overuse of that trope is born from the fact that it is used at times to give the work a half assed NTR-ish feel, or the trope is being used in a tired template way in a generic work (eg Generic looking protag finds girl being courted by two delinquents at the beach in ecchi harem trash lol). Fighting "objectification" in art is fighting art itself. Art heightens certain characteristics and features which we find pleasing. We adore people in art because they interest us precisely due to the aforementioned. Art isn't mundane, thus neither are its characters. To counteract it, art also has moments that inspire a larger than life outlook and tenderness for values. The word objectification on the other hand is something that needs to have a very a narrow meaning and very limited and measured use for the worst, most degrading offenders in society (which art isn't). |
ChouunShiryuuMay 3, 2022 7:36 AM
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| "911, what's your emergency?", "Please help me, there is several people breaking into my house all armed with dangerous weapons. BTW make sure who ever comes to help me is not a man." Seriously, if I was in this situation I wouldn't give a fuck who would come to try to save me. But beyond the point, Anime is just fiction. If you don't like a certain thing that this medium has to offer, simply just find something else to watch. If classic chivalry in Anime is too "tropy" for your taste, no one is forcing you to consume it. |
| Speaking of strong female characters, I would like to recommend to watch Arte to everyone who hasn't seen it yet. |
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JaniSIr said: Speaking of strong female characters, I would like to recommend to watch Arte to everyone who hasn't seen it yet. I've heard of "Arte," but I haven't watched it, because of the "Seinen" tag. If there's absolutely no sex in it, I'll give it a try, but I'll avoid it if it contains any mention of sex. |
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| I mean, if you're going to do a self-insert power fantasy then this really needs to happen and often. It can be very gratifying. But I dunno, a lot of power fantasies seem to be more about getting revenge on a world that doesn't respect you rather than becoming a hero. Shield Hero and Overlord are two such examples. This sort of thing is not gratifying to me in the slightest. |
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| People still liked SAO season 1 so I guess there is an audience that eats that shit up no matter how badly written it is. Every piece if fiction is someone's first piece of fiction and they're not familiar yet with how old and repetitive and outdated some tropes are. That's how stuff like this keeps flourishing. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
EdgyLord666 said: Yeah, it's quite overused. There's literally an anime airing this season with this trope as the premise, Shikimori-san everyone? wat Shikimori-san is just 99 attack 1 defence, there's no "saving from villains" lmao |
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_-_Sally_-_ said: JaniSIr said: Speaking of strong female characters, I would like to recommend to watch Arte to everyone who hasn't seen it yet. I've heard of "Arte," but I haven't watched it, because of the "Seinen" tag. If there's absolutely no sex in it, I'll give it a try, but I'll avoid it if it contains any mention of sex. Well, one of the characters straight up madame at her brothel or whatever her exact title was. But even with that, it's totally PG13 and wholesome. |
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| I dont have a problem with a man saving a girl in anime, what I dont like is that the girl automatically develops a love interest for the guy who saved her, that's annoying. Also I dont like when characters go too far to save a unknown somebody just because it's a girl, they could let some girl die from time to time, it doesnt make you a bad person, only shows that you are busy in your own sh*t. Well, that's still probably better than certain pseudointellectual acclaimed anime when some girl is infatuated to the MC just because they shared a small interaction in a book selling store but who knows anyways... |
zemono said: What does this even mean? What events? Where? Why?I think it is perfectly relevant considering the events going on in the world right now. |
| watch madoka, girls saving girls, hot stuff. |
| fart poop boner |
| Your post and a majority of people's opinions about this makes sense to some degree, but then you look at the situation in Ukraine where women and children can leave the country but any man under 60 is forced to fight... |
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JaniSIr said: _-_Sally_-_ said: I've heard of "Arte," but I haven't watched it, because of the "Seinen" tag. If there's absolutely no sex in it, I'll give it a try, but I'll avoid it if it contains any mention of sex. Well, one of the characters straight up madame at her brothel or whatever her exact title was. But even with that, it's totally PG13 and wholesome. No thanks, I'll avoid that title, then. There's a reason I usually avoid seinen works, because many of them contain things that I find offensive. |
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| It's not surprising given that the overwhelming majority of "protectors" are men i.e: Police, Military, Bodyguards etc. |
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Aditya_Dobhada said: I think this trope is outdated Since when? In the Western world it may be considered outdated for some reasons, but according to a Japanese girl it may be okay to dream of a prince who will save her from trouble. I'm not going to say that you're wrong, but in my opinion it's inappropriate to condemn anime for the fact that it broadcasts features of Japanese culture. |
Aditya_Dobhada said: JaniSIr said: It's pretty overused, but I hope you aren't just suggesting a gender swap, because that'd be pointless. No, I am not asking for a gender swap. As you said, that's pointless. I just want the fights to be fair n uninterrupted. Just let her have the moment. I mean, if she wanted to have a moment so bad, she should've avoided getting captured. Getting captured, and then being forgotten about would be worse than needing to say thanks. |
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Aditya_Dobhada said: I mean a strong, confident girl/woman more than capable of handling herself alone (in the given situation) finds herself, through unfair means, under the grasp of the villain and then enters the “hero” saving her from him in a supposedly “cool” way. I think this trope is outdated and is still being overused. I would like to make it clear that I am not against them being saved, I just hate how they always end in a "Damsel in Distress" situation, through events that either don't make sense or are really convenient. And yes. Teamwork is required. I am not asking for all their fights to be 1 vs 1 or the female side character to defeat the main bad guy, BUT not all fights are main fights. Please feel free to put forward your opinions. How is it out dated? Why does a character being physically strong or being able to save themselves rob them of any sort of agency? People can say it's overused in storytelling but they don't actually put forward how this story format inherently is a problem beyond because women should be empowered they should be the one's kicking ass. Issues seem to arise with poor writing around this trope or an actual sexist idea that for women to be worthy they need to take on traditionally masculine traits and forms of problem solving. While there is nothing wrong with doing that implying that women need to be big ruthless badasses to be worthy is hardly good writing. People exaggerate the problem of the "Damsel in Distress" and honestly I don't have a problem with there being an inversion with the man being the "Damsel" either. I mean you don't even have to have them permanently be that way. Probably one of the best fantasy adventure stories I have enjoyed in this medium is Yona of the Dawn where the MC at the start is a Damsel and it makes sense why she kinda is useless but over time finds competence while still often being saved by her hot male harem. That's fun and most female fans must enjoy it as it was a decently popular shojo manga. At the end of the day well written characters over "strong" characters is what matters. A strong character doesn't have to always be someone who is competent, strong willed or physically strong and capable. _-_Sally_-_ said: Yeah, I'm kinda tired of that trope myself. I'm very feminine, and I lack strength, but I wouldn't want to be saved by a "man." Men are trash. How edgy. StellaFortuna said: I'm tired of it too. And also of men pretending to know what women truly and really want. It is almost as if we were full fledged human beings too with a brain perfectly capable of logical thought. Women do this too. It's just a fantasy ideal. It's not like women targeted fiction like BL truly understands how every bi or gay guy feels nor does say a reverse harem truly reflect how guys will act around the girl reading it. The fact some guys like the idea of saving and getting the girl hardly reflects how they see reality. It's just catering to a fantasy nothing more. Implying people who enjoy this dehumanize women is a massive reach. |
| It may be overused but that doesn't make it bad or unrealistic. Anyway I like it enough to not really care about changing it |
Aditya_Dobhada said: JaniSIr said: I mean, if she wanted to have a moment so bad, she should've avoided getting captured. Getting captured, and then being forgotten about would be worse than needing to say thanks. That is what I want to say. The way they get "captured" is non-sensical n dumb. I'm blaming the writing. There are some moments that feel genuine and I do acknowledge them as examples of good writing. But if you are letting her get captured out of nowhere in a fight/scene where she clearly has a upper hand, just for the guy to come save her then that's just not right. That's not an argument without concrete examples. (Preferably something I've seen.) |
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| This trope is very common because sex is a common key motivation for characters in fiction and people irl. Women want hot men while most men want a loyal wife who looks good. |
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