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Whoa the big revelation...!!!

Hmm better not spoil anything:P
Apr 30, 2010 3:20 AM
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I forgot all about him. Damn, he really is forgettable.

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I had all kinds of crazy theories like Kenji (which made absolutely no sense if you think about it) but for it to be him is definitely a shock. Where the hell is the story going now? There's still 100 plus chapters left.
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Jan 29, 2011 11:29 PM
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I forgot all about him. Damn, he really is forgettable.


I'll try to jog your memory.

Apr 18, 2011 11:29 PM
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Oh, wow. Friend is dead? How can the story possibly go on? Props to Urasawa for killing off the villain in the middle of the damn story. That's quite...different.

And, as far as his identity is concerned, I didn't even realize it was Fukube until Maruo visited his home. Nice twist, and quite the forgettable character indeed.
Mar 5, 2012 7:08 AM
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So friend is actually dead....? Or maybe he will be rushed to the hospital and be saved but he is pretty old so..

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But my feels.
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I had all kinds of crazy theories like Kenji (which made absolutely no sense if you think about it) but for it to be him is definitely a shock. Where the hell is the story going now? There's still 100 plus chapters left.


The hint was in that Fukube was the only one that didn't come to the 2000s show down

I actually had those crazy theories too, I completely forgot about Fukube. I thought it might've been Kenji, but he somehow was using a puppet the whole time while communicating with him, instructing him off-panel.

LOL, would be funny if it was Kenji
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Aug 1, 2013 4:04 PM
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What? He was supposedly dead at the "2000 showdown", he jumped off the roof w/ the "fake friend" and "died" ... The proof, while subtle would be A) Why did he do that? It was stupid to just go through all of that if you were going to kill the real friend why not just shoot him from across the fence instead? Since he decided it wasn't worth trying to recover the "remote" by that point .... and B) They never confirmed his death.

Then there were a string of other hints including things like while in the virtual world the person who was friend was the person telling the Sadikiyo that he would "kill him if he told anyone about this"
Aug 2, 2013 2:16 PM
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i wonder if they'll "revive" him like they did back in 2000 and in 1971 (that's what it sounds like they did seeing as yamane said he was "born"/"died" then and said the event in modern times is a repeat)

although i have to wonder who would try to kill him in 1971? he was just a little boy then. did sadakiyo? did yamane?
Aug 9, 2013 11:51 PM

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What! Fukube is friend? And is he really dead now? There are still so many chapters left. I wonder what's going to happen now.
Mar 17, 2014 7:35 AM
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WHAAAT?! Then who the hell did he wrestle with and fell from the building during the 2k showdown when he said "you're not Sadakiyo".

I've had my suspicions that Fukubei was gonna be Friend because of the hairstyle and his random appearance but after I thought he'd supposedly died during the showdown, my suspicions went away.

And since we haven't seen Keroyon since like the reunion I thought he was gonna be "Friend".
Mar 18, 2014 8:01 AM

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Well, he was my favorite since 15-20 chap, since few chaps after second timeskip i was convinced that fukubei is friend. 1:0 for me
Mar 29, 2014 2:34 PM
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Can it really be him? I wonder.
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May 19, 2014 1:28 AM

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Ha! I fucking knew it. Ever since that suspicious death of fukube. I had that theory on the back of my mind. And with Sadakiyo not being the actual ''Friend'', I pretty much thought it wouldn't make any sense for anyone but him.

Awesome series. I don't know how the 10 or so volumes gonna be about.
Jul 15, 2014 4:18 PM
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i have my doubts that fukube is friend probably another pawn in friends grand plan like sadakiyo was. i also really doubt kenji is dead.
Mar 20, 2015 9:32 PM

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Pawn. I call it.
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I saw that coming. Once Urasawa reminded us of apartment number 606 and the events of that drunken reunion night, I automatically suspected Fukube to be under that mask. However, I've read too much Urasawa. This does not necessarily imply Fukube is "Friend." There's still more rabbit-hole jumping to come. Volume 12 was definitely the best of the series thus far.
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I completely forgot about him. However now that he is dead I am curious to see what the next 100 chapters will be about
Nov 7, 2016 2:57 AM
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rigt? Fukube? Is true or another liar?
Feb 22, 2017 12:33 PM

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Saw it coming. I mean, only since the last two chapters, but still saw it coming. And still can't sort of believe it

edit: I JUST REALIZED HIS FULL NAME IS FUKUBE HATTORI AND HE WAS WEARING A HATTORI-KUN MASK ALL THE TIME
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Saw it coming. I mean, only since the last two chapters, but still saw it coming. And still can't sort of believe it

edit: I JUST REALIZED HIS FULL NAME IS FUKUBE HATTORI AND HE WAS WEARING A HATTORI-KUN MASK ALL THE TIME


I just saw his name in the database and what you said really makes sense. Still, I didn't see it coming. I wonder what is "the lie of 1970" is and what Donkey "saw".
Oct 16, 2017 6:37 PM

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WHAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!! CAN'T BELIEVE THIS SHIT!!!
Jan 23, 2018 2:46 PM

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After chapter 131 it wasn't that surprising,but still,wow,it was really Fukubei.

Need an explanation what happened 2000,when he supposedly fell from the building.

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Finally, the reveal.. since the very first time we met Fukubei, he was my prime suspect.. the way he told his story to Kenji, the way he acted on the roof & my strongest lead to him being "Friend", when Marou tried to check on Fukubei body after his struggle & fall with fake "Friend" on the roof.. Kenji stopped Marou from checking the body...
Which also made Kenji my second suspect of being a "Friend" too.. but that doesn't make sense at all.. other than that moment which can be took as Kenji really in a hurry to save the world or to hide major lead for "Friend" identity...

I really like the thrilling part of revealing the mystery of "Friend" identity but the selective parts of remembering/forgetting important memories were eye-rolling (in annoying way)...

I don't think Fukubei's death is the end of "Friend".. there must be more to it! i don't know how with 100+ chapters left.. but i have a hunch..
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I was 99% certain he's "friend" because of two flashbacks, if I remember correctly one was from SadaKiyo's POV and the other one was from Fukubei's POV, summarising:

1. SadaKiyo snuck into Kenji's secret base and said that that's where he met "Friend" reading The Prophecy Book by himself, and "Friend" invited him to read it together and keep it a secret from the others

2. Fukubei snuck into the secret base to read their Prophecy Book, while he was reading it SadaKiyo also tried to snuck in, so he invited him to read it together and keep it a secret from the others

These two are one and the same event told from 2 points of view.
It was so obvious it still left me with that 1% of uncertainty
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His "death" was so suspicious it had to be him.

fucking called it ayy
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Brilliantly handled twist. You could put the pieces together from several chapters ago and it still adds up. Became a lot more obvious in recent chapters but considering we have around 120 chapters I'm super excited to see where the story is going to go.
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wow that reveal was actually insane !!! i have to say i did kinda forget about fukubei's existence. i think one of the only scenes i remember him in is the one of him falling off the building on nye. i had to stop reading this manga a year ago to focus on school so after coming back a year later i've forgotten a lot of stuff unfortunately

honestly had a lot of theories about the friend's identity. i personally thought it was keroyon because what happened to that guy lol; at some point i thought it might have even been kenji - i think i circled through kenji's whole group of friends and was ruling them out one by one. even thought it was maybe some outsider that we hadn't been introduced to even though that theory didn't make much sense

i feel like fukubei isn't actually dead. i've been thinking that that could have been a duplicate (who had plastic surgery) even though that sounds kinda crazy lol but i really don't know what to expect next. i also firmly believe that kenji is not dead. after revealing that his friend group have all still been kicking around, i'm definitely thinking that kenji may have went into hiding - possibly out of shame?
 



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The reveal was good. Although we realize that from the apartment scene with Maruo several chapters back. But wait why the hell is the big bad going into a room full of enemies alone. Yamane shooting him maybe surprised him, but Shogun is there as well. He could easily kill him. That was so dumb. Oh also why the hell is no one talking about that point. So shocking he died? Do you guys not care about the logic of what's happening?
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I'm so mad I didn't predict this
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Onii-nyan said:
I was 99% certain he's "friend" because of two flashbacks, if I remember correctly one was from SadaKiyo's POV and the other one was from Fukubei's POV, summarising:

1. SadaKiyo snuck into Kenji's secret base and said that that's where he met "Friend" reading The Prophecy Book by himself, and "Friend" invited him to read it together and keep it a secret from the others

2. Fukubei snuck into the secret base to read their Prophecy Book, while he was reading it SadaKiyo also tried to snuck in, so he invited him to read it together and keep it a secret from the others

These two are one and the same event told from 2 points of view.
It was so obvious it still left me with that 1% of uncertainty

Finally someone noticed
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YamiBoy said:
Onii-nyan said:
I was 99% certain he's "friend" because of two flashbacks, if I remember correctly one was from SadaKiyo's POV and the other one was from Fukubei's POV, summarising:

1. SadaKiyo snuck into Kenji's secret base and said that that's where he met "Friend" reading The Prophecy Book by himself, and "Friend" invited him to read it together and keep it a secret from the others

2. Fukubei snuck into the secret base to read their Prophecy Book, while he was reading it SadaKiyo also tried to snuck in, so he invited him to read it together and keep it a secret from the others

These two are one and the same event told from 2 points of view.
It was so obvious it still left me with that 1% of uncertainty

Finally someone noticed


2. Fukubei snuck into the secret base to read their Prophecy Book, while he was reading it SadaKiyo also tried to snuck in, so he invited him to read it together and keep it a secret from the others

when did this happen
Apr 26, 2021 11:00 AM
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though we knew that this was coming, this was still shocking ahlie
Apr 28, 2021 6:16 PM
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RIP BOZO. Rest in piss you won't be missed
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Kambood said:
YamiBoy said:

Finally someone noticed


2. Fukubei snuck into the secret base to read their Prophecy Book, while he was reading it SadaKiyo also tried to snuck in, so he invited him to read it together and keep it a secret from the others

when did this happen


It's been a while so I don't remember the exact chapter but tduring one of the flashbacks Fukubei invited someone to read the book with him
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YamiBoy said:
Kambood said:


2. Fukubei snuck into the secret base to read their Prophecy Book, while he was reading it SadaKiyo also tried to snuck in, so he invited him to read it together and keep it a secret from the others

when did this happen


It's been a while so I don't remember the exact chapter but tduring one of the flashbacks Fukubei invited someone to read the book with him



Good luck in the rest, mate. You'll read some amazing stuff soon.
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It was pretty much confirmed that Fukube was friend. Even before this chapter. First of all his death was too suspicious, like if he wanted he could have shot "fake friend" on the bloody new years's eve. But just wasted time by saying all of that useless bullshit. And they never confirmed his death. But what really confirmed it for me was the virtual attraction thing. Where Sadakiyo's friend told him "I'll kill you, if u tell anyone about this". And later Sadakiyo, said that "friend" was always angry with him, and told him that he couldn't do anything without "friend". Also (kid)Fukube in the flashback and the kid who said he felt bad for collins in the flashback(flag on the moon ch), wore the exact same clothes. And fukube said that he invited Sadakiyo to the secret base, And from Sadakiyo's pov we see that the one who invited him(fukube) into the secret base is "friend". So this is a bit anti-climatic for me. Maybe Fukube is just a pawn. But I have no doubt that he is indeed Kanna's father.
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The reveal was good. Although we realize that from the apartment scene with Maruo several chapters back. But wait why the hell is the big bad going into a room full of enemies alone. Yamane shooting him maybe surprised him, but Shogun is there as well. He could easily kill him. That was so dumb. Oh also why the hell is no one talking about that point. So shocking he died? Do you guys not care about the logic of what's happening?
Yeah it's too unrealistic, even if he has his men surrounding the building. It still doesn't make sense for him to go unarmed. I was thinking maybe he wore a bulletproof jacket or something like that. But no, he's bleeding. So unless he has some super regenerative abilities. Or if this Fukube is actually a body double or a clone. Its either that or he magically survives a gunshot to his chest.
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--Maple-- said:
Leonardojt said:
The reveal was good. Although we realize that from the apartment scene with Maruo several chapters back. But wait why the hell is the big bad going into a room full of enemies alone. Yamane shooting him maybe surprised him, but Shogun is there as well. He could easily kill him. That was so dumb. Oh also why the hell is no one talking about that point. So shocking he died? Do you guys not care about the logic of what's happening?
Yeah it's too unrealistic, even if he has his men surrounding the building. It still doesn't make sense for him to go unarmed. I was thinking maybe he wore a bulletproof jacket or something like that. But no, he's bleeding. So unless he has some super regenerative abilities. Or if this Fukube is actually a body double or a clone. Its either that or he magically survives a gunshot to his chest.
i finished it and nope. This story is the type that people are so engaged throughout its serialization but when seens as a whole story is clearly lack of logic, there's an even worst deux ex machina shit later on. I got irritated the longer I read it.
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Not super surprising that it’s fukubei and I’m glad. Thank god he didn’t pull something out of nowhere that doesn’t make sense. There were so many hints for it to be fukubei. The only thing I would wanna know is how he survived the fall back in 2000 but I’m sure there’s an explanation coming
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I KNEW IT!!! Woah that's crazy that Friend was Fukubei. Now to be completely honest I don't think he is the final friend because I have a feeling that there is way too much story left as well as too many players left in this story to have the main villain killed off just yet. But, I think that if he were to have survived the fall on the Bloody New Years Eve and then be "reborn" back in 71' in the science room where Donkey saw everything he shouldn't have then maybe he has a chance at reviving somehow? If Kanna remembers his face when she was a baby in like 97' then I think it's safe to say that whoever that man is is Friend because it wasn't confirmed to be Fukubei according to Kanna. Not that she knows who he is but we at least need to have the story cross-reference his face with the identity of Friend according to Kenji's Faction. Wheeeeew what a story lol
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this is masterful story-telling. this whole time i was made to believe Fukubei was one of the original members, while also not directly coming out and saying he indeed was. subtle hints of a connection, throwing his name around, exposition, then boom- forgettable...

until of course, his reveal. suspicions? sure, because he came out of nowhere with the reunion. but to blend it so flawlessly into established history and the repeated flashbacks to once again throw us off the scent.

genius-level, at least to me anyway

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that wasn't as intense as I was expecting. I might be overthinking but now I'm doubting if he's really friend or the one who's behind all of this

I might be wrong tho. After all the revelation, I doubt Urasawa is still misleading us about Friend's dentity.
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Its great managa!
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I forgot all about him. Damn, he really is forgettable.


Same. I only remembered him a couple of chapters ago because then it was really apparent who Friend was.
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That was a very interesting revelation.
Fukubei is a character that in relevance just come from 0 to 100 really quickly.
He's supposedly Friend? But now he's going to die?
There are some conclusions that need some thinking to come to them... And that's how it ends this volume.
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Very well handled and constructed twist. I can't wait to see where it goes from here.



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honestly kinda disappointed by this, i thought the reveal was cool but friend dying from one shot to the chest just felt rather underwhelming.

i feel like much more could’ve been done with his character, especially with how much they hyped it up just for him to die immediately afterwards.
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Yeahhhh, I don't think Fukube is the real Friend. Too early for him to be revealed and die.

Or at the very least, he's not dead, yet again.




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