| If you're an avid anime fan/watcher, then you are familiar with the sexual undertones present almost in every other series. Sometimes, or more like most of the time, these 'undertones' involve underage girls and boys, or 'adults' who happen to have never hit puberty. This can also be seen through the obvious sexualisation of minors by assigning young, school girls with developed secondary sexual characteristics. And so, this makes me wonder: just how normalised has this become within the anime community? You may ask why I'm even bringing this up, as it's 'old news' -There's nothing new about lolicon girls or 1000 year old goddesses who happen to look like undeveloped 12 year girls! We just *choose* to ignore it. Duhh. My question is: Why? I have just finished watching the second isekai anime of this year which involves heavy predator and pe*******c content. I won't even call it undertones when the reincarnated well-over-30 'protagonist' preys on young, underage girls (Mushoku Tensei: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu) or alternitavely, gets groped and ass****** by his own father (Sekai Saikou no Ansatsusha, Isekai Kizoku ni Tensei suru). Whenever I come across these kind of scenes, I always look in the episode discussions but no one ever seems to mention the obvious. They gloss over it, skip over it, do everything in their power to ignore it. But why do we do this? Who do we think this kind of content is being marketed towards? Surely you don't think that a scene of a young boy being touched is necessary to plot development. This is complete and utter v*yeurism. These shows should not be getting any attention or support from our community. These shows should NOT be getting such high ratings, simply because people choose to conveniently ignore the very much obvious themes of p*********. End of story. |
| Anime caters to most fetishes. The lolicon fetish is one of them though I do not think anime looks like real people. I love milf hentai, but irl milfs are not my thing. Most lolicons are not predators. That is probably a small minority within a niche like beastiality furries. Fetish for lolis stems in 1. Innocence virginity 2. Cuteness 3. Small body types |
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rohan121 said: Anime caters to most fetishes. The lolicon fetish is one of them though I do not think anime looks like real people. I love milf hentai, but irl milfs are not my thing. Most lolicons are not predators. That is probably a small minority within a niche like beastiality furries. Fetish for lolis stems in 1. Innocence virginity 2. Cuteness 3. Small body types If you enjoy loli anime/hentai, you're quite literally the part of the problem! Loli fans or enjoyers, whatever the hell you would like to call them, are the audience this kind of crap is marketed towards. Those aren't good excuses to depict very clearly underage girls sexually. Predators are exactly attracted to virginity, innocence and 'cuteness' of little girls. |
| Maybe you should try watching anime that are different from those targeted at the weeb/otaku demographic. Who stuff is targeted towards is important to its identity after all. A good starting point would be anime targeted at all audiences, such as some slice-of-life anime (the one I'm watching rn, Let's Make a Mug Too is pretty cool in that regard) - though there are some SOL anime with loli stuff, so make sure to look at the artwork and synopsis to figure out if an SOL anime has such things - and anime targeted at kids, since those then won't have such stuff by default. I personally like the Precure franchise (a magical girl franchise) quite a lot (and since it's targeted at kids, there's no nudity in the transformations, in case you mind that as well); good starting points for it are Heartcatch Precure and Go Princess Precure. edit: Oh and I guess anything labeled Josei can be a good pick too, since the target demographic is adult women who are thus way less likely to be into loli stuff. So yeah, tldr, try to expand your horizons a bit a from the stuff that commonly gains traction here, as there's so much good stuff that's simply unknown over here in the West because the target audience is different from your average westerner anime-watcher. |
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Oh boy, here we fucking go again! It's been like a day without one of these. |
NeaRetrogamer said: Maybe you should try watching anime that are different from those targeted at the weeb/otaku demographic. Who stuff is targeted towards is important to its identity after all. A good starting point would be anime targeted at all audiences, such as some slice-of-life anime (the one I'm watching rn, Let's Make a Mug Too is pretty cool in that regard) - though there are some SOL anime with loli stuff, so make sure to look at the artwork and synopsis to figure out if an SOL anime has such things - and anime targeted at kids, since those then won't have such stuff by default. I personally like the Precure franchise (a magical girl franchise) quite a lot (and since it's targeted at kids, there's no nudity in the transformations, in case you mind that as well); good starting points for it are Heartcatch Precure and Go Princess Precure. edit: Oh and I guess anything labeled Josei can be a good pick too, since the target demographic is adult women who are thus way less likely to be into loli stuff. So yeah, tldr, try to expand your horizons a bit a from the stuff that commonly gains traction here, as there's so much good stuff that's simply unknown over here in the West because the target audience is different from your average westerner anime-watcher. I have avoided innapropriate animes for the most part, but whenever I stray from my usual I always come across disturbing crap. I never start anything labelled as ecchi, but they seem to be making it more inconspicuous nowadays. I enjoy reincarnation stories, but I'm guessing that isekai has become an utter trash dump. Thank you for the recommendations though! |
| As a Siberian Tiger in their prime who watches CGDCT anime and preys on the lower members of the food chain on a daily basis I can confirm that to be the case, yes. |
Crow_Black said: Its all just purely fiction and drawings plain and simple. If you can't tell the difference time to really stop looking at entertainment alltoegether. Aw how cute! a little predator in disguise. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone ;) |
| Basically how I see you acting in this thread it sounds like you are projecting something my individual. Got something you want to talk about? Lol. |
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| @Cesura you are making huge generalization about anime. This would be like saying sexual exploitation in films is specifically added to target sexual predators or Gore films are specifically made to target violent sadists. |
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| @ColourWheel Just stating the obvious.There wouldn't be such a huge market of this type of content if there wasn't enough demand. Of course, not every anime or manga is like this. I was making a hyperbole |
| Are you sure you actually watched anime outside the ecchi and harem tag? There's ton of good anime with none of those things. While I agree that lolicons are mentally ill and shouldn't be around most children calling them out won't make them change, only therapy can and they need to do that on their own. Not everyone in the anime community is a lolicon, it's a very controversial topic and we are tired of seeing these types of threads every day cuz everything from the post to responses is literally the same. I would personally just ignore those people and don't go near them. Are all lolicons pedos? Maybe, but they cope with it by projecting into fictional kids instead of real ones. Would still stay away as a minor myself though |
NoonDaMoonNov 26, 2021 1:48 PM
| I swear to God this post is a glitch in the matrix because I'm sure I've seen one just like this puritan posts just a few days ago. Repeat after me: "It's just a cartoon". |
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| that is indeed a brave take now back in line |
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Cesura said: @ColourWheel Just stating the obvious.There wouldn't be such a huge market of this type of content if there wasn't enough demand. Of course, not every anime or manga is like this. I was making a hyperbole This content in question is fictional. It's not as if this industry is actually delivering minors for consumers to exploit. Action films usually display and glorify violence and destruction. There isn't a huge controversy over this because it's just fiction and not meant to be taken seriously. Anime in general is a hyperbole. |
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| OMG, here we have another missperceiving cardbox-cut drawings with girls, and they stay cardbox-cut drawings, instead of characters, but yeah, you are right to be morally frustrated. Online, I guess. |
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| Well anime caters to japanese... I never have problems finding anime without this shit but somehow people making those kind of topics can't and I still have no idea why. But I must say it's really nice to have topics talking about sexual assaults and rape on a daily basis in an anime discussion forum. Totally not creepy at all. |
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| I must be an exception, never seen these series you've highlighted. Although I have seen Popotan, which while the oldest sister was hot she did look of legal age. I'm aware the youngest sister was sexualized in the visual novel the anime was based on. That didn't happen in the anime. But it seems to me this is a common thing in the visual novels like Shuffle, To Heart 2, etc, etc,.. But I mostly watch sci-fi and mecha series, so I don't come upon this fetish as much if at all. It's not my kind of thing. Which comes to my point that I will not defend it, but I'm not going to condemn it either. If it's in the anime you're watching and it bothers you, they you are clearly not the audience that anime was aimed at. Maybe it's better predators get their needs fulfilled by this fantasy that is anime, rather than having them go out and find a victim. It's been studied that Japan doesn't have as large of a problem of child predators like the US does per capita, if this media can give them an outlet and spare a real child, what's the harm? They could always learn to draw their fetish as well if they tried, would you try and ban this as well? Yes, I agree it's a mental sickness. But I'd rather have them stay in the closet and harming no one, than on the street stalking some kid. |
| Trigger shows at least always cater to predators, that's why the enemies are always aliens. |
| McDonalds provides food and water to serial rapists, or am I wrong? |
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This is the funniest fucking forum reply I have read on this website |
| Only mentioned isekai anime can't generalize with one genre man. Cope and Shiver. |
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| I dislike lolicon but you are wrong since they aren't real. Go to fight for real children in danger instead of defending drawings and accusing anime fans of being predators. I don't have problems if you don't like it or you are against it but please use that energy for real things. Touch some grass. First world problems geez. Edit: OP is complaining about "pedophilia" in anime but she likes NGNL, Erased and Kuroshitsuji. I can't take OP seriously now. Nice bait. |
ToumaTachibanaNov 26, 2021 5:49 PM
| BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. 日本 I believe in freedom of expression. |
| hmm uhmm makes sense.. ok maybe , but I couldn't care less I am gonna watch whatever I want so u can go and keep doing this just because someone likes cute characters doesn't mean they are going to attack or see kids in a sexual way../ its same as saying people do violent stuff after watching or playing games |
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NeaRetrogamer said: Maybe you should try watching anime that are different from those targeted at the weeb/otaku demographic. Who stuff is targeted towards is important to its identity after all. A good starting point would be anime targeted at all audiences, such as some slice-of-life anime (the one I'm watching rn, Let's Make a Mug Too is pretty cool in that regard) - though there are some SOL anime with loli stuff, so make sure to look at the artwork and synopsis to figure out if an SOL anime has such things - and anime targeted at kids, since those then won't have such stuff by default. I personally like the Precure franchise (a magical girl franchise) quite a lot (and since it's targeted at kids, there's no nudity in the transformations, in case you mind that as well); good starting points for it are Heartcatch Precure and Go Princess Precure. edit: Oh and I guess anything labeled Josei can be a good pick too, since the target demographic is adult women who are thus way less likely to be into loli stuff. So yeah, tldr, try to expand your horizons a bit a from the stuff that commonly gains traction here, as there's so much good stuff that's simply unknown over here in the West because the target audience is different from your average westerner anime-watcher. Just look at OP list, I already found 3 anime there with the same things she's complaining -NGNL, Erased and Kuroshitsuji-, I have a feeling we're being baited. @DarkGamerA Yo, look above. |
ToumaTachibanaNov 26, 2021 6:08 PM
| BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. 日本 I believe in freedom of expression. |
| and who is best loli? that aside, i love lolis. but i do not like them in a sexualized way. i like them as a character, and their personality portrayed in different anime. looking at lolis make me want to protect them. p.s. i am not a grown man with a dakimakura of a loli in my bed. |
| no more forum pic. that's it. |
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kiruruzy said: and who is best loli? that aside, i love lolis. but i do not like them in a sexualized way. i like them as a character, and their personality portrayed in different anime. looking at lolis make me want to protect them. p.s. i am not a grown man with a dakimakura of a loli in my bed. I must flex my giga chad Roxy dakimakura. Loli hentai is pretty lit, but the same could be said of most taboo hentai genres imo. |
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Nurguburu said: ok I looked up ...grgvyganahievsnrgveshyuNeaRetrogamer said: Maybe you should try watching anime that are different from those targeted at the weeb/otaku demographic. Who stuff is targeted towards is important to its identity after all. A good starting point would be anime targeted at all audiences, such as some slice-of-life anime (the one I'm watching rn, Let's Make a Mug Too is pretty cool in that regard) - though there are some SOL anime with loli stuff, so make sure to look at the artwork and synopsis to figure out if an SOL anime has such things - and anime targeted at kids, since those then won't have such stuff by default. I personally like the Precure franchise (a magical girl franchise) quite a lot (and since it's targeted at kids, there's no nudity in the transformations, in case you mind that as well); good starting points for it are Heartcatch Precure and Go Princess Precure. edit: Oh and I guess anything labeled Josei can be a good pick too, since the target demographic is adult women who are thus way less likely to be into loli stuff. So yeah, tldr, try to expand your horizons a bit a from the stuff that commonly gains traction here, as there's so much good stuff that's simply unknown over here in the West because the target audience is different from your average westerner anime-watcher. Just look at OP list, I already found 3 anime in OP list with the same things she's complaining -NGNL, Erased and Kuroshitsuji-, I have a feeling we're being baited. @DarkGamerA Yo, look above. |
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| Ah yes, if you liked X thing in anime, then you must love it in real life. /s |
Crow_Black said: _cjessop19_ said: McDonalds provides food and water to serial rapists, or am I wrong? And 7/11 also sells slushies to serial killers as well too. We'll set all the slurpee machines to defrost mode so that all the slurpees will be liquid and runny |
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| Fiction isn't reality. Does this really need to be said? Enjoyment of fictional things isn't indicative of enjoyment of doing those same things for real. Also different people enjoy said things for what can be opposite reasons which gives no indication of their thought process. If that were the case that someone liking some fictional media means they are like that then only serial killers would enjoy slasher films. What matters is real people's real actions and real intentions in those real actions not their thoughts on fictional things. For some people it's a way to acknowledged there is some parallels in reality that which appears in fiction. For others it's a coping mechanism to this acknowledgment or direct experience with such things as a way to process. For few it's an outlet for those troublesome thoughts allowing them satisfaction to seek that satisfaction in fiction over reality. Why it's produced is simple, either it plays a role in the story, is part of the artistic expression of the artist or is simply capitalist strategy to sell to every niche without discrimination. |
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| Hentai does. Anime doesn’t ….. |
_spoon_ said: Hentai does. Anime doesn’t ….. That is factually wrong. Hentai is meant to be sexually arousing so by default you know that they are catering to fetishes. Anime, instead, are meant to take a narrative, so there is a distortion to reality in wish-fulfillment stories that caters to people with questionable views of how human relationships works or how social dynamics are supposed to exist. That is also the reason why "Loli->Weird" is a vague reductionism over the issue, there are anime that features loli that are self-aware or that treats them with care, and anime like Mushoku Tensei that doesn't |
| I am not in conflict with pedophilia or that the anime makes certain references to it. The problem with this is that the interpretation of pedophilia or certain sexual references in anime, in certain cases, is very subjective. For example, I remember that NnT was one of the first anime that I saw and, rather than thinking that that very old character that looked like a girl was like that because of fanservise, I thought that it was some mythological reference or a fantasy element that combines with it fantasy genre. I don't like Mushoku Tensei and not so much because it is an auto-insert, but because it is an auto-insert that doesn't even know how to hide it. One of the characters is around 50 years old, but she looks like a teenager on the pretext that her race is like that. What makes you notice that it is a fanservise is the fact that the author does not even give another particularity to that race. They are all like humans, looking younger is their only exclusivity. But I also do not disagree even with hentai lolicon and those who consume it. I understand that some people are grossed out by those who consume this content. However, child pornography, although clearly prohibited from recording, does not incite people to rape a girl. It must be borne in mind that within the same pedophiles who consume them there are pedophiles with very little malice to do such a thing. Saying that an anime should be canceled because it contains pedophilia is just as lusty as wanting to watch child pornography. Nor should we exaggerate. It's not like the most popular anime make this kind of reference directly by putting a loli fuck on screen. Mushoku Tensei would rarely be fap material. There is a lot of content besides Mushoku Tensei and even worse. |
| Meh. It isn't like it isn't an issue which has been raised countless times over the years. The way I feel about it, to be frank, is this: Depending on what specific series/scene/individual content you're referring to, it may not hold any appeal to me personally as a viewer. But even if it doesn't appeal to me, it appeals to someone. So why am I going to want such content scrubbed or something to that effect when there is clearly an audience for it? The one example I believe you're alluding to in The World's Finest Assassin Got Reincarnated as an Aristocrat is something which came off to me as just a natural part of the story (although when they first walked into that dungeon-esque building and the boy was commanded to strip, I did think it was about to take a turn into sexual abuse until more information was given). They don't technically have to "show" it, but then, they don't technically have to show anything. By contrast, in series like Made in Abyss, for example, I think there is definitely more overt and consistent, repeated pandering to shotacons among some other groups (lolicons to a lesser extent, urine fetish folk, etc.) in a way which feels tonally out of place in the story, but even then, why should I want it excised even if I don't fall into the target audience? The people you're referring to have always been part of the market and community. |
WatchTillTandavaNov 26, 2021 8:55 PM
Cesura said: Sometimes, or more like most of the time, these 'undertones' involve underage girls and boys, or 'adults' who happen to have never hit puberty. This can also be seen through the obvious sexualisation of minors by assigning young, school girls with developed secondary sexual characteristics. When do you think people go through puberty, exactly? If you consider school-setting ecchi/romance anime to be drawing characters unrealistically to pander to Those People, do you honestly believe that no one in real life develops sexual characteristics, has sexual desires, or engages in romantic/sexual acts until they turn 18, at which point a switch is flipped and they suddenly become adults? As someone who remembers high school, I don't agree with that assessment. Are there some deviant and questionable age-gap elements in some anime like Jobless Reincarnation? Sure. But depicting romance and sexual tension among schoolboys and schoolgirls in the same age range isn't pandering to Those People; it's portraying reality. Or at least, an idealized form of reality, one where characters aren't burdened by the all-encompassing pressure of entrance exams the way real Japanese students are. |
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