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Sep 21, 2021 6:07 PM
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Yeah, I know it’s in the rules but guess what, it’s a stupid fucking rule!

This site acts as if people aren’t going to talk about sex and drugs and shit like that.

No matter what the discussion will come out.

And here’s another thing, because MAL closed Current Events more people now come to CD because there is nothing else.

Of course you’re gonna get the idiots who say “but this is an anime website!”

God, imagine talking about AnImE for the one billionth time…

Funny enough, this site hosts all types of hentai that are free to discuss but once more…god forbid you do that in the forums!
Sep 21, 2021 6:19 PM
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I hate the "This is an anime website" argument too.

It's like people aren't allowed to have other interests. I, for one, would love to talk about drugs and sex but some people are big dumb and afraid of such things.

I'm glad you are speaking up about this, and now I am too because unlike alot of people I actually care about these forums.



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Sep 21, 2021 6:19 PM
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But, think of the children! Their virgin eyes are not ready for these hot topics!

I mean, I am agreeing to an extent. But at the same time, I don't need to know what people half my age are up to in that regard.

Sep 21, 2021 6:22 PM
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Most of the current rules here are stupid. I think they should do an overhaul and get rid of some.
Sep 21, 2021 6:38 PM
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--ALEX-- said:
Yeah, I know it’s in the rules but guess what, it’s a stupid fucking rule!

This site acts as if people aren’t going to talk about sex and drugs and shit like that.

No matter what the discussion will come out.

And here’s another thing, because MAL closed Current Events more people now come to CD because there is nothing else.

Of course you’re gonna get the idiots who say “but this is an anime website!”

God, imagine talking about AnImE for the one billionth time…

Funny enough, this site hosts all types of hentai that are free to discuss but once more…god forbid you do that in the forums!
Yep, my thread (which you have commented before) just got deleted recently. I'm trying to ask for clarification to the mod, but ffs, the person is offline just after removing my posts. I can't even archive it ugh. Now I have to wait whether I should be allowed to recreate the thread with different titles and some of the OP reworded. If not then I have to comment it personally to the actual person I dedicate that thread about, which was @PostCollegeSucks, @vuxk, @Ryuk9428, and @SemillaMinoria, or idk, are there any other people of the kind? The in*el, or the one who tried to enforce traditionalism to every woman in the world?
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Sep 21, 2021 6:43 PM
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as Luna implied wait for the improve moderation tools so that they can lax some rules i guess
Sep 21, 2021 6:45 PM
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deg said:
as Luna implied wait for the improve moderation tools so that they can lax some rules i guess

Bet you $50 that I'll be in my 40's by the time that happens. ...provided that I live that long.

Sep 21, 2021 6:46 PM
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FacelessVixen said:
deg said:
as Luna implied wait for the improve moderation tools so that they can lax some rules i guess

Bet you $50 that I'll be in my 40's by the time that happens. ...provided that I live that long.


you already won that bet since MAL development is super slow anyway and also they said the forum programming development is the lowest priority for them
Sep 21, 2021 6:47 PM
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Telling men to be women is too much for MAL to handle. The mods must stop the feminization of men at all costs!
Sep 21, 2021 7:02 PM

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deg said:
as Luna implied wait for the improve moderation tools so that they can lax some rules i guess

I fail to see how those are connected. MAL used to have more lax rules in the past. If anything more mod tools will make them want to crack down harder.
Sep 21, 2021 7:05 PM
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Narmy said:
deg said:
as Luna implied wait for the improve moderation tools so that they can lax some rules i guess

I fail to see how those are connected. MAL used to have more lax rules in the past. If anything more mod tools will make them want to crack down harder.


they can just let 1 controversial thread about LGBT for example and the other duplicate threads will be deleted or locked like ive discussed with a moderator on this thread https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1954654
Sep 21, 2021 9:42 PM

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I don't want to talk about sex or drugs right now though. Stop trying to peer pressure me Satan.
No. What I want to talk about right now is ideas for lingerie Halloween costumes for sex dolls.



*Asks Google*

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...
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Uh... lace cheongsam with crotchless panties?



Nice. Thank you google. You are a good friend I don't care what anybody says about you.

Sep 21, 2021 10:32 PM

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Certainly, you have a point.

Honestly? I really don't mind it.

Because i'm not personally interested in third-party histories about sex and drugs (principally after discovering the dog pill and horse pill), we already have proper websites for that stuff like Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr, Facebook... or some random p*rn website, i don't think it's a necessary thing.

But I just responds for myself, there will be no complaints of my part if the mods leave everything as it is, you know?
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Sep 22, 2021 12:42 AM

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Welp as much as CE was nice for talking sports (Ik you still can) shit just felt too toxic for the mods to handle I suppose. Then again there’s always that one guy that starts a storm mostly on AD.
Sep 22, 2021 1:35 AM

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_Nette_ said:
I hate the "This is an anime website" argument too.

It's like people aren't allowed to have other interests. I, for one, would love to talk about drugs and sex but some people are big dumb and afraid of such things.

I'm glad you are speaking up about this, and now I am too because unlike alot of people I actually care about these forums.

Some people are 13yo. Do you openly talk about drugs and sex in front of tons of kids you don't know?
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Sep 22, 2021 1:40 AM

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Ah @Deathko is here.

Just going to tell you the context of this thread: My thread about convincing incels to take "the pink pill" (went on HRT to become a trans woman) instead of trying to dictate what woman should do and objectify woman got removed. Alex was there and basically encouraged my idea because it will make them prettier, and he thinks that a lot of femboys are prettier than cis woman, amd that he don't mind fucking or sucking the pp of a femboy because he's attracted to femininity and that the gender one's assigned to birth doesn't matter for him.

Here's what I wrote in the OP:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1958122&show=50#msg64463506
Sep 22, 2021 2:16 AM

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If we could talk about sex openly on MAL these forums would never have a dull moment.

Deathko said:
_Nette_ said:
I hate the "This is an anime website" argument too.

It's like people aren't allowed to have other interests. I, for one, would love to talk about drugs and sex but some people are big dumb and afraid of such things.

I'm glad you are speaking up about this, and now I am too because unlike alot of people I actually care about these forums.

Some people are 13yo. Do you openly talk about drugs and sex in front of tons of kids you don't know?

But this site isn’t for 13yo. If you spot any 13yo please let the admins know so that we may delete them from our presence safe space.
Sep 22, 2021 5:01 AM

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Finmeister said:
I honestly don't mind not having sexual discussion on this board. I think it is best to limit sexual discussions to forums specifically dedicated to those topics, as not everyone is going to want to see a bunch of threads on sexual topics on their nice SFW forums. Plus I'm a virgin and I lowkey get insecure when I see others talk about their sexual experiences. I don't mind drug discussions though.

There are sex related topics other than people just trying to brag or announce their fav fetishes. Some can be quite interesting or helpful to people.

Deathko said:

Some people are 13yo. Do you openly talk about drugs and sex in front of tons of kids you don't know?

They literally teach this stuff at school like at like 10 sometimes 8.

There shouldn't really be users encouraging drug use but drug harm reduction and honest user experiences on the other hand is far superior to trying to keep them naive or use deceitful scare tactics. Likewise with sexual topics it's better someone understands the social implications and about relationships and safe sex practices than be a sheltered to just wind up going about things all wrong. As Ive implied before I dont think there should be threads of people boasting of sexual experiences in graphic detail, hardly anyone wants that. I think discussion of some aspects relating to sexual endeavors in how they relate to the psyche and society should be freely spoken of. It is beneficial.
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Sep 22, 2021 5:14 AM

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@traed while I agree with you (and drug users online seem often quite responsible on the subject) I don't expect any public sex discussion online to be good advice/experience for anyone. It's more likely to turn into older male users trying to groom anyone with a pink profile lol.
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Just come to our CE club instead if you don't want your threads arbitrarily locked up or deleted without notice. And yes I'm shamelessly advertising, but it was relevant to the topic so fight me.
Sep 22, 2021 5:20 AM

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Finmeister said:
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But this site isn’t for 13yo.

According to... who exactly? Is there a rule that says that?

https://myanimelist.net/about/terms_of_use#_Toc17163251
2. Eligibility
You represent that you are over the age of majority as required by the applicable law of your jurisdiction. If you are a minor in the jurisdiction in which you reside (e.g. under 18 years of age), you may only use the Service if (a) you obtain parental or legal guardian consent after review of this Agreement prior to you using any of the Service provided by Company and (b) you are competent and fully able to enter into the representations, and warranties, terms, conditions, obligations, and affirmations, set forth in this Agreement, and to comply with and abide by this Agreement. All minors must be directly supervised by their parent or guardian while using our chat rooms. Though Company has the right to monitor the Service, including the chat rooms, Company has no obligation to do so, and Company does not systematically monitor and review the conversations that take place in the chat rooms. Company does not determine the true identity or age of those who frequent and use the Service chat rooms.
Additionally, children under age 13 in the U.S. and children under age 16 in Europe may only use the Service if, and only if, we have obtained verifiable parental consent from their parent or guardian, as discussed in our Privacy Policy. The Company may in its sole discretion for any or no reason, with or without notice, including without limitation if it has not received verifiable parental consent and it believes that you are under 13 in the U.S. or under 16 in Europe, terminate your account or profile, delete any content or information that you have posted on the Service, and/or prohibit you from using or accessing the Service (or any portion, aspect or feature of the Service).
If you do not agree or are not in compliance with these Terms of Use, you may not use our Service.
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SemillaMinoria said:
Finmeister said:

According to... who exactly? Is there a rule that says that?

https://myanimelist.net/about/terms_of_use#_Toc17163251
2. Eligibility
You represent that you are over the age of majority as required by the applicable law of your jurisdiction. If you are a minor in the jurisdiction in which you reside (e.g. under 18 years of age), you may only use the Service if (a) you obtain parental or legal guardian consent after review of this Agreement prior to you using any of the Service provided by Company and (b) you are competent and fully able to enter into the representations, and warranties, terms, conditions, obligations, and affirmations, set forth in this Agreement, and to comply with and abide by this Agreement. All minors must be directly supervised by their parent or guardian while using our chat rooms. Though Company has the right to monitor the Service, including the chat rooms, Company has no obligation to do so, and Company does not systematically monitor and review the conversations that take place in the chat rooms. Company does not determine the true identity or age of those who frequent and use the Service chat rooms.
Additionally, children under age 13 in the U.S. and children under age 16 in Europe may only use the Service if, and only if, we have obtained verifiable parental consent from their parent or guardian, as discussed in our Privacy Policy. The Company may in its sole discretion for any or no reason, with or without notice, including without limitation if it has not received verifiable parental consent and it believes that you are under 13 in the U.S. or under 16 in Europe, terminate your account or profile, delete any content or information that you have posted on the Service, and/or prohibit you from using or accessing the Service (or any portion, aspect or feature of the Service).
If you do not agree or are not in compliance with these Terms of Use, you may not use our Service.


That BS don’t even work for a pornsite what makes you think it holds any weight on a tracking/discussion site.
Sep 22, 2021 5:53 AM

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LustKamisama said:
SemillaMinoria said:

https://myanimelist.net/about/terms_of_use#_Toc17163251


That BS don’t even work for a pornsite what makes you think it holds any weight on a tracking/discussion site.

Works to do what? The purpose is to shift the responsibility away from the site, not prevent underage users from joining. The latter is impossible to do without some draconian internet ID like in Germany.
Sep 22, 2021 6:02 AM

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Narmy said:
LustKamisama said:


That BS don’t even work for a pornsite what makes you think it holds any weight on a tracking/discussion site.

Works to do what? The purpose is to shift the responsibility away from the site, not prevent underage users from joining. The latter is impossible to do without some draconian internet ID like in Germany.


It was directed toward the initial post of the chain that claim the site isn’t for 13yo which like you said is impossible to do. Age-restrictions rules on any site is just a responsibility shift but it’s holds no power in what kind of audience the site attracts.
Sep 22, 2021 8:54 AM

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Protect the young kiddies!

They can’t know or hear about sex!

Especially here on the internet!

Only clean, family-oriented topics please!

Now…can we please talk about who’s your Waifu for the 100th time this week?!
Sep 22, 2021 9:54 AM
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We added rule 6 back when CD started to be flooded with sex threads. The large amount of threads and the often very graphic descriptions lead us to this decision. In the end this is a website with a lot of underage users (including the ones that aren't registered so they don't even have to be 13+) and turning CD into a sex board is a problem.

traed said:
I think discussion of some aspects relating to sexual endeavors in how they relate to the psyche and society should be freely spoken of. It is beneficial.

This sounds like something that wouldn't be a problem as long as it's free of graphical details. Rule 6 is mostly about porn and sexual preferences/experiences/fetishes. It can also include other things, but that really depends on the thread.

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Funny enough, this site hosts all types of hentai that are free to discuss but once more…god forbid you do that in the forums!

These are all sub-boards which aren't that easily to stumble across and normally you need to search for a hentai entry to get to one of them. CD is a main board that is easily accessible to a lot of people. And it's a place where not everyone would expect to see lots of sex threads.
These hentai sub-boards are currently tolerated, also because they don't get a lot of traffic and the posts are quite harmless mostly. But with things changing, these sub-boards (maybe also the entries) might have to be restricted at one point too. Some restrictions we already have: Depending on where they live and their age, users have to provide parental consent now to use the website. Hentai entries are not allowed in the app at all because the app store doesn't allow it. Entries that are tagged with Erotica or Hentai are not listed in the top rankings so they're not easily accessible. MAL was more lax about these things in the past, but laws and other circumstances are constantly changing and we might shift to more restrictions about sexual content on the site in general and even the mods can't change this.

Threads about drugs were normally removed in the past and to make this clearer we've added it to the examples in rule 7. The problem with threads about drugs was that they were often encouraging the usage of drugs. And for example, even something like cannabis is illegal in many countries including several states in the US.

In general, if you think you have a thread discussing sexual aspects or drugs that would not be a problem you can ask a forum mod if this can be posted - if yes then the forum mod can make a note about it in the first post to clarify it.
Sep 22, 2021 10:30 AM
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This may blow some peoples minds, but website aren't democracy.
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Bow down to the reign of PG13 mods. I only see harmless threads getting locked but NVM you can get away with anything at forum games just to let y'all know.

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Telling men to be women is too much for MAL to handle. The mods must stop the feminization of men at all costs!

I 2nd this!!!
It really needs to stop.
Sep 22, 2021 1:17 PM

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Rule 6 is a fine rule for no one would like to read about the sexual fantasies of basement dwellers.
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Desolated said:
Yep, my thread (which you have commented before) just got deleted recently.
Oh so that's what the "deleted" notification was about
Didn't manage to read your last response, though

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Works to do what? The purpose is to shift the responsibility away from the site, not prevent underage users from joining. The latter is impossible to do without some draconian internet ID like in Germany.
Huh, I didn't know that we had any ID requirements for using a website like MAL

Anyway, the most pressing questions are:

Sep 22, 2021 1:32 PM

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MAL removed a thread about trans women…

@ MAL, what do you have against trans people?

Was the title a bit meme-y?

Sure, but so what? The discussion was fine.

Some of us want to talk about femboys and trans women.

C’mon MAL, it’s 2021.
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Guys it's just an anime listing website. Why people so upset?
Sep 22, 2021 2:25 PM
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"But this is an anime website"
The people (or "idiots" as you call them for literally no reason seriously, what did I ever do to you? Have a differing opinion? That's not an excuse to call me, or anyone else, an "idiot") who say this are literally conforming to the site rules
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Laika_Moonlight said:
"But this is an anime website"
The people (or "idiots" as you call them for literally no reason seriously, what did I ever do to you? Have a differing opinion? That's not an excuse to call me, or anyone else, an "idiot") who say this are literally conforming to the site rules

What? There is no rule that says you can only talk about anime.
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Narmy said:
What? There is no rule that says you can only talk about anime.

Ah, sorry, I guess I worded that awkwardly. There is a rule that says not to discuss sensitive issues like drugs and sex, for example. That's the rule most people saying "this is an anime website" are referencing when they say that. Or at least it is in my case, since I use it as a coverall for "this is against MAL's rules", without outwardly addressing said rules (since addressing them is also against the rules, IIRC, lol)

Also, nice Alice avatar :)

Narmy said:
It's a reference to the closing of CE, where they used that as one of the reasons.

Oh, that's actually a pretty funny coincidence! I've been saying those exact words since before CE closed, lol
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Laika_Moonlight said:
That's the rule most people saying "this is an anime website" are referencing when they say that.

It's a reference to the closing of CE, where they used that as one of the reasons.
Sep 23, 2021 4:34 AM

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Luna said:
We added rule 6 back when CD started to be flooded with sex threads. The large amount of threads and the often very graphic descriptions lead us to this decision. In the end this is a website with a lot of underage users (including the ones that aren't registered so they don't even have to be 13+) and turning CD into a sex board is a problem.

I myself know why it was. That was a trend at the time that had not gone on more than a couple weeks before rule implemented iirc. Rule 6 created a trend of threads about other bodily functions pretty much immediately. Which personally I found worse because at least the horny posting wasnt low brow toilet humour. The needs toned down in phrasing (explained below more why)

Luna said:

traed said:
I think discussion of some aspects relating to sexual endeavors in how they relate to the psyche and society should be freely spoken of. It is beneficial.

This sounds like something that wouldn't be a problem as long as it's free of graphical details. Rule 6 is mostly about porn and sexual preferences/experiences/fetishes. It can also include other things, but that really depends on the thread.

It's nice you agree and I knew already but it took it's own life on. Unfortunately mods dont always treat it the way it was intended or the way I and others may prefer (not sure if there is a gap there any). Mainly newer mods when they come in for at least weeks to months it happens with especially ones that joined long after the rule was made so they dont know what it is supposed to be in which case they dont appear to let up from what Ive seen of locked threads. Sometimes it does fall back to how it's supposed to be enforced and threads remain that should but it's hard to tell if that's from mods intentionally letting in some topics or just havent been on in some time and didnt spot them. So how the rule is written currently causes a lot of inconsistencies in moderation. Psyche, society and relationships (outside of graphically detailed sexual accounts) I dont think shouldnt be an issue. For example what creates fetishes is a psychology question not quite a sex topic. It's just stuff like the threads people were bragging or writing out short erotic stories about other users that was kinda over the top.

Luna said:

These hentai sub-boards are currently tolerated, also because they don't get a lot of traffic and the posts are quite harmless mostly. But with things changing, these sub-boards (maybe also the entries) might have to be restricted at one point too. Some restrictions we already have: Depending on where they live and their age, users have to provide parental consent now to use the website. Hentai entries are not allowed in the app at all because the app store doesn't allow it. Entries that are tagged with Erotica or Hentai are not listed in the top rankings so they're not easily accessible. MAL was more lax about these things in the past, but laws and other circumstances are constantly changing and we might shift to more restrictions about sexual content on the site in general and even the mods can't change this.

This wasnt directed at me but i have some input. Pretty ridiculous that's potentially happening. Hopefully it wont come to such intrusions. I doubt all these laws will stay forever since many would object and want them overturned and they very well may if there is enough outcry. These type of laws often aren't really enforcable and some could potentially create huge privacy violations for all users (or at least all within some countries) when they involve things like ID and credit card checks etc which in turn is a security risk causing harm to users. Since MAL isnt a porn site it could easily escape many such regulations that are really just targeting porn sites mainly and others seem to target Facebook and Instagram etc. Does MAL have a team of lawyers that are consulted to help understand various types internet laws passed and all the loopholes around some of them?

Did you know it's illegal to use a fake name online? You legally are supposed to use your full real name under US law. Lol It's meant for identity theft really but the law is vague enough it applies to everyone regardless just isn't enforceable except in rarer occasions usually involving identity theft. Also making gifs such as that in anime violates copyrights and is illegal as well but again it's not even enforcable to point iit gets stopped because all the effort involved.
https://hutchersonlaw.com/illegal-online-acts/
Point being laws when it comes to the internet arent always unavoidable. The law not being omnipresent and omnipotent is why mirror sites exist to get around ISP site blocks and why users use VPNs (aside from security and privacy reasons) to dodge them on their end and why in some cases site servers get relocated.

Luna said:

Threads about drugs were normally removed in the past and to make this clearer we've added it to the examples in rule 7. The problem with threads about drugs was that they were often encouraging the usage of drugs. And for example, even something like cannabis is illegal in many countries including several states in the US.

I dont think so unless you mean like a decade ago then idk....I recall drug threads going years and years back with hundreds of posts and pages long top topics impossible to miss sometimes mods posting in them never getting locked till recently and some cases deleted. Ive read most posts in most of those threads (and i sleep so chaotic i am not synced to any mods schedules) and it very rarely happens where someone who hasnt done drugs and has no interest in doing drugs is tried to be talked into it when it's illegal. Like one or two posts. Drug harm reduction like by suggestion diverting someone from one drug to another that may be less risky but similar results they want and providing information to reduce the risks isn't same as encouraging and pressuring them to do drugs since if after knowing all the negatives and they still do want to do it it's not avoidable. Many studies show harm reduction is superior at saving lives over "drugs are bad mmmmk. Just say no" kind of stuff. Also as far as Im aware it's not illegal to provide info or say what drugs are less risky etc either otherwise all the various drug information and testing groups wouldnt exist. Also someone liking the experience they had on a drug isnt same as encouraging either. As long as users arent trying to push others into it and arent straight up openly linking deep web drug shops there shouldnt be a huge issue and there hasn't been in the past. Even when it's about laws it doesnt totally get out of hand. People are better in the know than in the dark and being dumb about it. Users will talk about it anyway in profile comments and private messages where no one else is there to give feedback correcting any bad info someone is saying that another reads which is more dangerous.

About it being illegal... Talking about something isnt same as doing it with very few exceptions (like if someone say they will assasinate POTUS). On top of that Anime and manga is entirely illegal in a few countries. Hentai illegal in even more. Many more once you go into specific hentai genres and some also for some types of ecchi content. Some specific anime shows and specific manga are banned in some countries. Yet MAL is all about anime and manga and sells digital manga including ecchi that is illegal somewhere and helps direct you were to buy anime/manga regardless of content including that which is illegal. Im not even exagerating. For example recently I even saw an Iranian on AD asking how to watch hentai in his country because it's illegal there.

Plus just about everyone on MAL has pirated at least some anime and manga before at some point. We're all criminals already.

I don't think ive ever heard of an instance where a forum was held accountable for someone's crimes except digital aided ones and especially not anything criminal in a country foreign to where the site is hosted.

Thanks for reading all this if you do. I know you're fairly busy with the genre and theme changes going on.


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Bow down to the reign of PG13 mods. I only see harmless threads getting locked but NVM you can get away with anything at forum games just to let y'all know.

Drugs and sex and violence actually appear in PG 13 films as much if not more than R rated films. There even have been academic papers on the subject.
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Humans have weird priorities in general. We're a species filled with bullshit contradictory rules and double standards. I use the word "fuck" and other "bad words" on here constantly and have never been called out for using such language on a site that likely has shit tons of underage users. As have many others, from what I've seen. But someone else could potentially get shut down for using the word in a more sexual context or for just mentioning the word "drugs", that's pretty fucked up.

But yeah, lets let people continue using some variation of "retard" as an insult among various other statements people have gotten away with. Because that's totally fine. But sex and drugs, nope. Gotta shield the children from that shit that they totally havent already heard about from other sources...
Sep 23, 2021 11:19 AM
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There are 150 pages worth of users with word fuck in their nicknames on this site.
Sep 23, 2021 11:31 AM

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A lot of people seem to think we need to "Protect the children" but I legitimately think that 13-year-olds swear more than me lol, I also don't think that children (at least around that age) need to be protected from topics such as drugs and sex - more importantly, sex, seeing at around that age kids are getting more interested in subjects like that. and this is based on personal accounts, Kids smoke more than adults. By smoking I mean kids vape and probably do drugs more than adults, The number of potheads I remember from high school, Whenever I come from work I stop by at the coles close to my house I swear to god theirs is always a group of kids vaping. I also think that kids should be welcome to join conversations on Adult topics, of course, nothing too egregious, (although I have no clue how you are supposed to monitor kids getting on the site and participating in R-18 discussion) I'm telling you right now that a child will learn more about the world lurking in a Weed discussion than any fucking White chocolate topic ever would.
Sep 24, 2021 10:37 PM
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Yeah, it is censored but you can just use a different forum site instead

Sep 24, 2021 11:15 PM

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yes yes yes, protect children and stuff but, who protects adults of these atrocities called drugs and naughty things? my taxes should cover this
Sep 28, 2021 10:00 AM
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traed said:
Luna said:


This sounds like something that wouldn't be a problem as long as it's free of graphical details. Rule 6 is mostly about porn and sexual preferences/experiences/fetishes. It can also include other things, but that really depends on the thread.

It's nice you agree and I knew already but it took it's own life on. Unfortunately mods dont always treat it the way it was intended or the way I and others may prefer (not sure if there is a gap there any). Mainly newer mods when they come in for at least weeks to months it happens with especially ones that joined long after the rule was made so they dont know what it is supposed to be in which case they dont appear to let up from what Ive seen of locked threads. Sometimes it does fall back to how it's supposed to be enforced and threads remain that should but it's hard to tell if that's from mods intentionally letting in some topics or just havent been on in some time and didnt spot them. So how the rule is written currently causes a lot of inconsistencies in moderation. Psyche, society and relationships (outside of graphically detailed sexual accounts) I dont think shouldnt be an issue. For example what creates fetishes is a psychology question not quite a sex topic. It's just stuff like the threads people were bragging or writing out short erotic stories about other users that was kinda over the top.

My feeling is that users might feel more overwhelmed if the rules get even longer with more clarifications. They're already quite long with clarifications and examples and of course it's possible to add more but the question is if it would help users a lot. We do have internal mod guidelines that clarify more on the rules so my initial feeling is that it's better to clarify it more there.

traed said:
This wasnt directed at me but i have some input. Pretty ridiculous that's potentially happening. Hopefully it wont come to such intrusions. I doubt all these laws will stay forever since many would object and want them overturned and they very well may if there is enough outcry. These type of laws often aren't really enforcable and some could potentially create huge privacy violations for all users (or at least all within some countries) when they involve things like ID and credit card checks etc which in turn is a security risk causing harm to users. Since MAL isnt a porn site it could easily escape many such regulations that are really just targeting porn sites mainly and others seem to target Facebook and Instagram etc. Does MAL have a team of lawyers that are consulted to help understand various types internet laws passed and all the loopholes around some of them?

Something like "no NSFW content in apps" is something I don't think will really change even if laws change a bit, but maybe I'm wrong here. In the end laws are always changing and it's hard to say how certain things will be in a few years. It might get better, it might get worse. And yeah, some laws are quite vague or hard to enforce or are things that are kind of tolerated but that can change too. A large company like Media Do managing a large website like MAL does consult lawyers for these things so whatever will change in the future was well thought about like it was with the other restrictions we already have.


traed said:
I dont think so unless you mean like a decade ago then idk....I recall drug threads going years and years back with hundreds of posts and pages long top topics impossible to miss sometimes mods posting in them never getting locked till recently and some cases deleted. Ive read most posts in most of those threads (and i sleep so chaotic i am not synced to any mods schedules) and it very rarely happens where someone who hasnt done drugs and has no interest in doing drugs is tried to be talked into it when it's illegal. Like one or two posts. Drug harm reduction like by suggestion diverting someone from one drug to another that may be less risky but similar results they want and providing information to reduce the risks isn't same as encouraging and pressuring them to do drugs since if after knowing all the negatives and they still do want to do it it's not avoidable. Many studies show harm reduction is superior at saving lives over "drugs are bad mmmmk. Just say no" kind of stuff. Also as far as Im aware it's not illegal to provide info or say what drugs are less risky etc either otherwise all the various drug information and testing groups wouldnt exist. Also someone liking the experience they had on a drug isnt same as encouraging either. As long as users arent trying to push others into it and arent straight up openly linking deep web drug shops there shouldnt be a huge issue and there hasn't been in the past. Even when it's about laws it doesnt totally get out of hand. People are better in the know than in the dark and being dumb about it. Users will talk about it anyway in profile comments and private messages where no one else is there to give feedback correcting any bad info someone is saying that another reads which is more dangerous.

I remember removing threads that were problematic. For other threads the word "encourage" is maybe a bit too much and the users didn't try to make others try out drugs. I see what you mean though and we can look into tweaking the rule a bit.
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looks like anecdotal sex threads will be the only once that are gonna be banned sooner or later so thats a good compromise

lets talk about the psychology, science and philosophy of sex in general so more fetishes and LGBT threads in the future
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Yeah, i hate the argument of "It's an anime site" too, i have friends on here who are interested in other things and i'd like to talk about things with them.

We're all adults, let us talk about politics and other real world things.
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why did they lock every forum in current events? that's so dumb. anyways you guys are so horny and weird to the point you wanna talk about sex on an anime site, feel no shame?


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why did they lock every forum in current events? that's so dumb. anyways you guys are so horny and weird to the point you wanna talk about sex on an anime site, feel no shame?

Well I for one don’t feel horny and shame simultaneously. The shame usually comes later. They call it post nut clarity.

Also the reason for why CE is locked can be found in the sticky thread in CE.
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didn't they make that rule because some stupid new law that happened back in 2017?

_korone_ said:
why did they lock every forum in current events? that's so dumb. anyways you guys are so horny and weird to the point you wanna talk about sex on an anime site, feel no shame?


1. mods are not paid.
2. they volenteered to help moderate a anime forum.
3. they don't have the time money or energy to put up with the political nonsese that CE generates
4. the amounts of nonsense from CE was preventing them from doing there job in other more important sections of the board namely AD and seasonals.
5. because not enough people were reporting people who broke rules so flame wars could happen and they would be late to locking them.
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