| Shingeki no Kyojin is a battle shounen, but it's just not a generic one. It took a while, but they're finally here. The Shingeki-No-Kyojin-Is-too-good-mature-deep-to-be-a-battle-shounen-fag |
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| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| Woah be careful now, some high intellectuals get triggered real easy by simply calling AOT a shounen LMAO |
| It was published in a shounen magazine, therefore it is a shounen manga/anime It has battle in it Battle + Shounen = Battle Shounen |
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| I don't consider it as a 'battle' shounen for the same reason you stated. Action Shounen would make more sense Ig. I change my mind as in most battle shounen a fight decides the outcome and direction of the story which is also present in SNK as well, so its a battle shonen. |
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IronGhost115 said: Those people are probably r-tards who are denying the obvious lolWoah be careful now, some high intellectuals get triggered real easy by simply calling AOT a shounen LMAO |
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| It might have been me who said it. Anyway, SNK is a Shounen but not a "battle shounen". Shounen only means is published on the magazine, while battle shounen is a genre that people created once they started seeing some similarities between Shounen manga/anime. The tournament arc is a really simple yet effective way of seeing if it is indeed a battle shounen or not. Another good example might be the No Regrets OVA, which is tagged as Shoujo due to the fact it was published in a shoujo magazine. But no one really say No Regrets is the same genre as Fruits Basket, because that's nonsense. Same thing applies to the main SNK series. |
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| Most of the battle shounen with tournament arcs can't even fit them in seamlessly. |
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| There are battles in it and it's shounen so yeah it's a battle shounen but glorified version of it. |
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| battle shounen means " anime series that are, naturally, based on shounen manga and focus on competitions or fights to decide their storylines", since AoT is a shounen, and they rely on fighting a lot, then yes it is a battle shounen. even death note is a battle shounen anime |
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| No its not I dont even exactly count the story as a "shounen", even though its published by bessatsu shounen magazine thiago52192 said: It might have been me who said it. Anyway, SNK is a Shounen but not a "battle shounen". Shounen only means is published on the magazine, while battle shounen is a genre that people created once they started seeing some similarities between Shounen manga/anime. The tournament arc is a really simple yet effective way of seeing if it is indeed a battle shounen or not. Another good example might be the No Regrets OVA, which is tagged as Shoujo due to the fact it was published in a shoujo magazine. But no one really say No Regrets is the same genre as Fruits Basket, because that's nonsense. Same thing applies to the main SNK series. this |
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| I never considered AoT a battle shounen I just thought battle shounens where manga published under shounen jump that had a power system. Also I never knew a battle shounen had to have a tournament arc to be considered a battle shounen. But in all seriousness I would not mind AoT having a tournament arc honestly I would love to see a rematch of Eren vs Annie. |
Katou81 said: It was published in a shounen magazine, therefore it is a shounen manga/anime It has battle in it Battle + Shounen = Battle Shounen I'm not particularly against the idea that AoT being a battle shounen, but this is just bullshit. Just because it has sth in it doesn't mean it is defined with said genre. Genre tag requires a show to have a consistent focal on it. Saying this is equivalent to saying AoT is a romance, coz it does have romance in it doesn't it. I've seen people saying these sorts of shit before to justify genre tags before, and it never seems even slightly convincing. |
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| In French , those "Battle" Shounen are named Shounen "Nekketsu". They are manga , novel etc. inspired by/using the concept of Monomythe by Joseph Campbel , and Shingeki no Kyojin is clearly one of them. If you are interested , here is the French Wikipedia page of Shounen Nekketsu. Fun fact : The very first Shounen Nekketsu Manga is Shin Takarajima , and the genre got hugely popularized by Ashita no Joe. x) |
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PiyushSan said: Be careful what you wish for...Ngl, a titan tournament arc would be entertaining to watch. Might just make me watch the 4th season. |
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| Technically it is Shounen title (and there's nothing wrong with that), but I'd say that it's really more of a "demographics" thing due to the magazine in which its manga is published, rather than it being a label meant to accurately reflect its content. Tokyo Ghoul, for example, is technically a Seinen; but content-wise, I wouldn't say it's that much different from AoT (or any more mature). |
OrororurandoSep 3, 2021 12:07 PM
| It's a shounen and it has battle in it, so I guess it's a battle shounen. But it's done much better then most of the battle shounen out there. |
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| what is battle shonen though? reminds me of the great word "MID". though in battle shonen's case it was fan appreciation word twisted by cringelords |
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| It's a battle manga that's published in a shounen magazine so it's a battle shounen. However, I don't think the story itself is shounen-like. |
| I'm not even sure to be honest. Some interesting arguments on here though. Yes, it has battles in it, and it's published in a shonen magazine therefore it would seem sensible to class it as a battle-shonen. Is this limited to physical or mental battles? If it includes mental tussles, would 'Death Note' qualify as one? Is 'Food Wars' a battle-shonen because there are cooking battles throughout between groups of people? It would probably help to establish set criteria before applying an arbitrary label to something, otherwise you could end up re-categorizing any shonen that has at least a (singular) battle of some sort in it as a battle-shonen. |
Alexioos95 said: In French , those "Battle" Shounen are named Shounen "Nekketsu". They are manga , novel etc. inspired by/using the concept of Monomythe by Joseph Campbel , and Shingeki no Kyojin is clearly one of them. If you are interested , here is the French Wikipedia page of Shounen Nekketsu. Fun fact : The very first Shounen Nekketsu Manga is Shin Takarajima , and the genre got hugely popularized by Ashita no Joe. x) None of those manga are even remotely similar to each other. |
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| It is a shounen and it has battles in it. So technically yes, it is. |
| Idk, the show seemed to share a few archetypes with a lot of battle shonen anime. So yeah, of course it is (although a cleverly disguised one at that). |
| I suppose it can since it is a shounen with lots of action. Though I never really put in the same category as the rest due to how different the story is from the classic battle shounen stereotypes |
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| i wouldn't since the battles are not the main focus of the show. comparing to other battle shounen, aot doesn't even have 1/4 of battles the other shows have. |
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Lucifrost said: None of those manga are even remotely similar to each other. They are. Not in term of atmosphere , but in term of story. I really invite you to read the English Wikipedia Page of the Monomyth , it'll be faster than me explaining it to you. (And Translate the Nekketsu page , maybe you will get the similarities ?) And if you have time , you can even read The Hero With A Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbel. Shingeki no Kyojin is clearly one of the numerous stories inspired by the monomyth , "Call Of Adventure > Supernatural Aid > Thresold > Challenges with Helper + Mentor > Revelation > Transformation > Atonement > Return." You can summarize the Nekketsu genre in : "The style can be described as the initiatory journey that will reveal the transcendence of the main character's status from "rather banal in the universe in which he lives" to "the equal of a god" Shingeki no Kyojin could have broke the "Atonement" & "Return" part , but with the ending... it's a complete monomyth story. |
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Lucifrost said: They are very similar in a lot of aspects, just abstract a bit. They all have the development story of a male teenage "chosen one" using stereotypes and patterns from the Hero's Journey genre. This is a sub genre of Bildungsroman, which deals with the "coming of age" of it's protagonist with a focus on formative events and character development. Thus: Bildungsroman > Hero's Journey (male action version of it) > Nekketsu (Japanese flavor adding "ganbatte" spirit elements).Alexioos95 said: In French , those "Battle" Shounen are named Shounen "Nekketsu". They are manga , novel etc. inspired by/using the concept of Monomythe by Joseph Campbel , and Shingeki no Kyojin is clearly one of them. If you are interested , here is the French Wikipedia page of Shounen Nekketsu. Fun fact : The very first Shounen Nekketsu Manga is Shin Takarajima , and the genre got hugely popularized by Ashita no Joe. x) None of those manga are even remotely similar to each other. I've seen Nekketsu (熱血) used to describe the "battle shounen" genre in English and German as well, and obviously it's a Japanese genre name originally. A translation can be both "hot-blooded" and "zeal", "passion" etc. and describes the mindset of those determined, hungry young men fighting their way to a leading role in society (whatever the scope of the story is). From the Hero's Journey we get archetypes such as the mentor, the supernatural call, the helpers, and the return with the gift of the Goddess. AoT has all those elements, Eren is a chosen one (by blood), goes trough a classic Bildungsroman career, has a mentor in Levi, and obviously a title with "Attack" in the title features battles. All the elements are there, but combined for older teens of ~16+ years. Most classic Battle Shounen targets far younger audiences. So yes, AoT is somewhat smarter and darker, and at times borders a deconstruction. Yet, it clearly is a genre entry. |
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Eziprez said: Just because a shounen is not insulting one's intelligence with silly stereotypes and predictable plot doesn't make it a seinen. JoJo, AoT and Death Note are as shounen as it gets, just of the more intelligent and dark variety. It's a sad sign when people are so used to bad writing in shounen that the moment there's one with writing better than average they call it seinen ... says something about the deplorable state of the genre if you ask me.I mean technically yes it would be classified as a battle shounen but personally I see it as more of a seinen |
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Eziprez said: It's still a typical Hero's Journey story of a male teenager and his teenager friends. There is no adult MC in the whole show, just mentors and enablers - typical for the power fantasy most shounen are. It's a common misconception that seinen means "like shounen with extra sex and violence". That sub-genre of seinen exists, but so does CGDCT, samurai drama, historical and so on. Actually some of the worst written seinen are ultra-violent and borderline pornographic, that's not exactly a badge of honor or writing achievement for a show. inim said: Just because a shounen is not insulting one's intelligence with silly stereotypes and predictable plot doesn't make it a seinen. Both AoT and Death Note are as shounen as it gets, just of the more intelligent and dark variety. It's a sad sign when people are so used to bad writing in shounen that the moment there's one with writing better than the average shounen they call it seinen ... says something about the deplorable state of the genre if you ask me. I mean it's one thing to be dark like Death Note like you mentioned, but I think AoT crosses the line with how violent and gory it is to be considered a shounen. I think the target audience for shounen is around 12-18 but the target audience for AoT is around 16-30 so there is not really a whole lot of overlap. Not saying I totally disagree with you though In a nutshell: shounen MC = teen with the powers and social status of an adult. seinen MC = actual adult without cringy "chosen one" excuse backstory EDIT: I agree with you on that AoT also covers seinen by carefully adding mature themes to the shounen formula. But unlike e.g. Berserk it doesn't go the last mile and kicks out the elements needed to appeal to 13-18 year olds completely. In that sense I agree it's a half-blood story, yet the shounen side is stronger. |
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| 1) It's a Shonen 2) It's got battles Don't see why not. |
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gwezxr said: Nice try to open a pointless discussion about definitions. Also nice try to place a quote out of context. The full sentence reads:They all have the development story of a male teenage "chosen one" using stereotypes and patterns from the Hero's Journey genre. It's sufficiently clear here that genre is used in the sense of a a template of a collection of shared tropes. I won't continue this discussion, feel free to nitpick. Genre is not a straightforward defined term you can use as a red herring. Even Wikipedia struggles with a vague and complex definition, so your private one is not really relevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genreinim said: "Hero's Journey" is not a genre, it's a template of story, according to the Wikipedia article you linked, or a trope if you'd like to call it that.Hero's Journey genre. This is a sub genre of Bildungsroman, . |
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| No. The genres Shounen and Battle-Shounen don't exist. |
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| I don’t know what battle shonen is and what it takes to be a battle shonen anime |
| I can definitely see why it was put in the shounen category. (the first season and maybe even the second season at least) But then it started it go more deep and didn't really fit well as a generic shounen. It's leaning more to the seinen side. But Attack on Titan is pretty much a shounen that has a seinen world. |
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| "Is Attack of Titan considered a "battle shonen?"" Not mainly but people say that it has some battle shounen elements. gwezxr said: Here is a shocking fact; Neon Genesis Evangelion is actually shonen anime. But we knew that. It is not battle shounen tho. gwezxr said: And a second shocking fact, just because an anime is shonen it doesn't mean it's generic or it follows generic tropes. But of course...tho Neon Genesis Evangelion follows some very cringe generic tearjerker tropes and formulas...in fact, this is why it so beloved - it has a trashy core. |
alshuSep 4, 2021 2:03 PM
| Nope....but a tournament arc can really fit anywhere giving the story's conclusion, making Eren to say at the end of the day that only Ymir knows why every titan shifter went against each other in a tournament ....Who wins, fights with Eren and the winner of that battle decides what to do with Ymir's powers...That would have been BASED!! |
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I am glad I delivered. gwezxr said: infamous Oh, so I am sort of famous...good to know. gwezxr said: elitist Wait, elitists don't hate on Neon Genesis Evangelion...which automatically makes me non-elitist. gwezxr said: contrarian I mean, you can't expect everyone to agree with you. gwezxr said: manchild Yep, I am innocent as child while pointing that you probably don't know the difference between shounen and battle shounen (those being separated things should be obvious anyway). gwezxr said: Thanks again for your contribution I am always glad to help. gwezxr said: and don't forget to deny what I said. Like if I was agreeing with you wouldn't tag you in the first place. |
| The issue with your question is that battle shounen itself isn't a well defined term. The closest would be Fighting Series. Other than that, websites don't usually separate it from regular shounen aside from mentioning that they commonly involve fighting. Personally I think it's more of a war series than a fighting one since the combat is on a larger scale and there isn't as much one-on-one or close combat, which is one of the main parts of a fighting series (that's not to say that fighting and war series are mutually exclusive since FMA: Brotherhood is an example of both). |
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| I really can't call it that. MHA, JJK, HxH are battle shounen where the characters are bound to have fights/battles in order for the story to progress. In AoT it's a bit different, it's a war. I mean sure, we had a couple of battles, but the show's main focus isn't really around those battles. And in my personal opinion, one crucial component of battle shounens is a tournament arc, we don't see one in AoT. |
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| Up to the 2nd season it CAN be considered a battle shounen but from 3rd season onwards I can't really call it a battle shounen since it becomes more plot heavy rather than Action. Though season 3 part 2 had action for the majority of the season it was still plot heavy. So, no it is not really a battle shounen at least not traditional one's like Mha, Jjk or Naruto. Conceptualhero said: Someone here once posted that one of the best way to tell if an anime is a battle shonen is if you can incorporate a tournament arc seamlessly into the anime. I do not think a tournament arc can fit anywhere with the plot of AOT. It would be a huge WTF. That person is ignorant. Demon slayer doesn't have a tournament arc so we can't call it a battle shounen? A big Wtf and a big L on him. DoruCatana said: Nope....but a tournament arc can really fit anywhere giving the story's conclusion, making Eren to say at the end of the day that only Ymir knows why every titan shifter went against each other in a tournament ....Who wins, fights with Eren and the winner of that battle decides what to do with Ymir's powers...That would have been BASED!! That would've been extremely average and stupid. |
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Scordolo said: DoruCatana said: Nope....but a tournament arc can really fit anywhere giving the story's conclusion, making Eren to say at the end of the day that only Ymir knows why every titan shifter went against each other in a tournament ....Who wins, fights with Eren and the winner of that battle decides what to do with Ymir's powers...That would have been BASED!! That would've been extremely average and stupid. Have you heard of sarcasm/irony? It's actually a thing...!! You probably haven't read the manga and by extension, you didn't get the Ymir reference to know that I wasn't talking seriously... |
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