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Nov 12, 2020 10:21 AM
#51
Tsukumo_Yuuma said: rafaelfserafim said: I've finished Watanagashi's VN 12 hours ago, so I'm remarkably fresh. The storehouse scene is so light-hearted after just reading the VN... think about torture devices and their functions being described to you for over an hour, mixing fiction with japanese history. My stomach really felt like my entrails turned upside down, best moment of Watanagashi's VN imo. There are a few differences, the same differences from Onidamashi, but with a little more screen information. I don't want to give much information, but on ep2 it already reached the point of no return. I still had hope that Rika had acted preemptively on ep3 though. It was a good episode overall, Keiichi comes with the kitty talk instead, and I didn't expect Rika's reaction. However my expectations on the arc's ending are really low. Despite the bad production quality, I liked the turn of events in Onidamashi ep4. Also, I felt Rena's eyes were done badly, but I must say I really like Rika's eyes. I hope they bring up something really, really new to end this arc, because this is the 3rd arc with the similar scenario, it's getting repetitive. So Furuderika makes an appearance on this episode, huh? I've missed those little moments of her from the OG, and it was satisfying to see her real personality again. But I believe she's being deceived again. She keeps thinking that they're dead, instead of only missing. Tomitake stealing a truck seems kind of out of character though. If he's acting with Takano, he needs a motive. But for this arc, I'm mostly interested in the theory someone popped up here, about Shion really being born Mion this time, instead of their roles being swapped on birth. Taking the theory as true, then Shion really asked Kimiyoshi's help and Mion in fact demoned him away, contrary to Watanagashi and Meakashi. "Fascism" won't will start playing really soon either way, but I dearly hope they bring something new and unexpected, but I feel they won't... and feeling that is disappointing. Rika can't change that much in these fragments cuz it's depending on Shion's mental state over the last year after Satoshi's disappearance, furthermore she doesn't know that and thinks the doll is the key (from her dialogue in Minagoroshi), so they can't change that much and i think it's better that way at least we can watch a good adaptation of these arcs and the new comers could enjoy the same things we enjoyed ~ + i think no big things will change in Tataridamashi as well, because Rika lost her memories from the Minagoroshi fragment so she doesn't know how they saved Satoko (just my theory considering she doesn't know what happened in Mina). She could ease Shion's mental state by removing the tools from the storehouse. Takano's little tour would be useless as well. Also, by desbeantifying the storehouse, the nail punishment wouldn't happen, I guess. Although after reading Wata's VN, the only moment the nails are mentioned are in Keiichi's hallucination at the hospital. It's never mentioned that Mion came with bandages on the fingers to school, things like that. My memory from the anime is blurry, so I suppose things carried out differently in both arcs. I've started to remember a few differences between Watanagashi and Meakashi, even comparing VN to anime (I'm still going to start Tatarigoroshi's VN, so I'm pretty far from Meakashi) but they're not because of the different pov. A few things really carried out differently in both arcs. Please, don't ruin my experience even further lmao Leave me in the mystery. Watanagashi was already ruined to me, because I already know what happened from watching Meakashi. Even reading Onikakushi after watching the whole anime years ago, it felt amazing. I didn't have the same feeling for Watanagashi, so I think it's because of Meakashi. Tsukumo_Yuuma said: Thanks for making that clear to me. It was a theory that really popped up in my mind while reading, and I started laughing. I really wanted to ask someone, and didn't want to wait until Meakashi or Minagoroshi to get it answered. I'm a very slow reader imo.rafaelfserafim said: Inanna_201 said: Also, I noticed some differences compared to Watanagashi-hen: 1. What Miyo was explaining in the original was human sacrificing, not cannibalism like in Watadamashi. But I guess this is not crucial difference. 2. Shion didn't ask Keiichi about "the noise"... remember, Shion heard the "loud banging" in the storehouse in Watanagashi (meaning her L5 syndrome was approaching). But she still seems suspicious like in OG, most likely approaching L5 again (and if she's not and it will be different this time, maybe not hearing loud banging is a hint). 3. Keiichi talking with Oishi. 4. And especially Shion mentioning that Miyo and Tomitake stole the van. I think that didn't happen in Watanagashi 2006 anime chapter (and it was only mentioned they disappeared with leaving their car and bike, but not stealing anything to run away) - I'm curious about this, did this happen in VN and was not adapted in 2006, but it's adapted now? If any VN reader would reply to me, it would be nice :) 1. Same as VN, anime probably omitted the cannibalism part. 2. After reading the VN, the way they descripted the noise, I'm actually thinking it was Hanyuu jumping up and down lmao. Just something that came to my mind. Tomitake also heard the noise in the VN, that's why he came in, to check if everyone was ok. 3. That just happened in a different time, different place. Things are pacing out a lot faster. Kimiyoshi's (the mayor) missing at least one night earlier. Keiichi and Ooishi's talk happened the day after Watanagashi in Okinomiya. 4. That's new, and Tomitake stealing the van seems a lot out of character, unless if he felt he was in danger or something. 2. yes it was Hanyuu, she was jumping up and down because she hates the way Takano talks about the village's history. |
Nov 12, 2020 10:22 AM
#52
Tsukumo_Yuuma said: ssjokg said: I was just reminded how bad Kei-chan is at lying or even playing dumb. Seems like Rika is just done with this shit. Considering this, could it be that the reason she isnt really doing shit to save everyone is because Bernkastel is being gradually manifested? This would explain why she does the bare minimum to save even one person. And she acts as if she doesnt actually know the truth, that she claimed she knew. She should know Takano's plan so why accept their death/disappearance? I still think she has something to do with their death/disappearance, why would she say it's weird that they haven't found the bodies when they're supposedly ran away with a truck and not dead? Unless Rika really didn't do anything and was assuming they are dead for some reason. why would Tomitake run away with Takano anyway? did she regret going on with that plan of hers and confessed to Tomitake and he's helping her escape? (it's unlikely but idk) If they run away with a vehicle then Rika having something to do with their fate is highly unlikely. They only way for Ooishi's story t work is if it was a lie from the villagers and everyone is covering for Rika or someone else. But if people could just believe Rika then she wouldnt have to suffer 100 years of kakera hopping. But if they something happened after they left Keichi and Shion and they both developed L5 they may have tried to escape something and possibly had an accident and they simply havent found them yet |
Nov 12, 2020 10:23 AM
#53
maybe lol i'm really interested to see what will happen from the trailer i think the ladder scene is there so Rika and Satoko will disappear again and Keiichi will climb to their window to check, so WHY would Rika go to Shion again? she acted like she doesn't care anymore in front of Keiichi and when she's like that she usually doesn't do anything at all (and go drink some wine), we might even not know the reason until the answer arc of this arc. Unless it was a different scene in the trailer and i'm an idiot. |
Nov 12, 2020 10:30 AM
#54
rafaelfserafim said: She could ease Shion's mental state by removing the tools from the storehouse. Takano's little tour would be useless as well. Also, by desbeantifying the storehouse, the nail punishment wouldn't happen, I guess. Although after reading Wata's VN, the only moment the nails are mentioned are in Keiichi's hallucination at the hospital. It's never mentioned that Mion came with bandages on the fingers to school, things like that. My memory from the anime is blurry, so I suppose things carried out differently in both arcs. I've started to remember a few differences between Watanagashi and Meakashi, even comparing VN to anime (I'm still going to start Tatarigoroshi's VN, so I'm pretty far from Meakashi) but they're not because of the different pov. A few things really carried out differently in both arcs. Please, don't ruin my experience even further lmao Leave me in the mystery. Watanagashi was already ruined to me, because I already know what happened from watching Meakashi. Even reading Onikakushi after watching the whole anime years ago, it felt amazing. I didn't have the same feeling for Watanagashi, so I think it's because of Meakashi. It's not really a spoiler but if you don't want to clear your confusion about the nails thing don't read Shion had her nails removed in 1982 before Satoshi's disappearance not 83 so Rika can't do anything to help her + she probably doesn't know that Shion goes throw that |
Nov 12, 2020 10:30 AM
#55
Tsukumo_Yuuma said: maybe lol i'm really interested to see what will happen from the trailer i think the ladder scene is there so Rika and Satoko will disappear again and Keiichi will climb to their window to check, so WHY would Rika go to Shion again? she acted like she doesn't care anymore in front of Keiichi and when she's like that she usually doesn't do anything at all (and go drink some wine), we might even not know the reason until the answer arc of this arc. Unless it was a different scene in the trailer and i'm an idiot. I haven't seen the trailer in ages so I can't comment on that, but about this getting an answer arc, I feel like the 2nd cour would be one for the entire first cour and there won't be any answer arcs for each questions arcs like in the original. |
Nov 12, 2020 10:43 AM
#56
Tsukumo_Yuuma said: Ahhh, so that's why.rafaelfserafim said: She could ease Shion's mental state by removing the tools from the storehouse. Takano's little tour would be useless as well. Also, by desbeantifying the storehouse, the nail punishment wouldn't happen, I guess. Although after reading Wata's VN, the only moment the nails are mentioned are in Keiichi's hallucination at the hospital. It's never mentioned that Mion came with bandages on the fingers to school, things like that. My memory from the anime is blurry, so I suppose things carried out differently in both arcs. I've started to remember a few differences between Watanagashi and Meakashi, even comparing VN to anime (I'm still going to start Tatarigoroshi's VN, so I'm pretty far from Meakashi) but they're not because of the different pov. A few things really carried out differently in both arcs. Please, don't ruin my experience even further lmao Leave me in the mystery. Watanagashi was already ruined to me, because I already know what happened from watching Meakashi. Even reading Onikakushi after watching the whole anime years ago, it felt amazing. I didn't have the same feeling for Watanagashi, so I think it's because of Meakashi. It's not really a spoiler but if you don't want to clear your confusion about the nails thing don't read Shion had her nails removed in 1982 before Satoshi's disappearance not 83 so Rika can't do anything to help her + she probably doesn't know that Shion goes throw that In the anime, I think it made it look like nails thing happened in 83, after the storehouse intrusion. Big flaw there if the confusion happened. Deen WHY? Now I have something to add here. Satoshi was never mentioned once, we only saw a shadow of him in the 4th year murder in this new anime. There's a "no Satoshi" theory, but I find it very unlikely. Also, the arcs are different, so a character can exist in one and not exist on another. Just like Mion and Shion could've not switched places in birth at Watadamashi - another theory. The latter one is more plausible, but let's wait and see. I knew Rena was L5 at Onidamashi but I didn't expect it would end at the door scene, so I hope they bring a completely new ending. I was reading your conversation, and I'm also wondering what Rika will do about ShMion, since she doesn't give a shit anymore. |
Nov 12, 2020 10:47 AM
#57
ovy7 said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: maybe lol i'm really interested to see what will happen from the trailer i think the ladder scene is there so Rika and Satoko will disappear again and Keiichi will climb to their window to check, so WHY would Rika go to Shion again? she acted like she doesn't care anymore in front of Keiichi and when she's like that she usually doesn't do anything at all (and go drink some wine), we might even not know the reason until the answer arc of this arc. Unless it was a different scene in the trailer and i'm an idiot. I haven't seen the trailer in ages so I can't comment on that, but about this getting an answer arc, I feel like the 2nd cour would be one for the entire first cour and there won't be any answer arcs for each questions arcs like in the original. https://youtu.be/i4GaPCEiHIg?list=PL3ongWuaWwZPlSdSsXeNDt4uEdtLxYBS4&t=119 it's at 1:59, it's probably that scene because Keiichi is looking down surprised and then that Mion/Shion face, but they're in the morning not the night like last time so maybe it's not it. About the structure of this season, i think it'll be the same (every question arc has an answer arc) Ch.3 in this season will be Tataridamashi, but Ch.4 won't be similar to Himatsubushi, since Himatsubushi's purpose was to say "Rika is weird" it won't add anything here, in this season instead of a fragment about the past like Hima it'll be a fragment about the future (some of Rika's future and what happened to her after Ch.8 and why she's in St. Lucia Academy) :0 just my crazy theory for now lol. The fifth arc will be an answer arc for Watadamashi (like Meakashi) since the answer arcs usually have more episodes in the anime. the rest of the answers will be in S2 (hopefully there's a season 2 ) |
Nov 12, 2020 10:49 AM
#58
ovy7 said: I know, but it's an illegally modified air-soft gun, so that thing would likely do some damage. Ohh, so it's like a BB gun. I see. ssjokg said: I was just reminded how bad Kei-chan is at lying or even playing dumb. Seems like Rika is just done with this shit. Considering this, could it be that the reason she isnt really doing shit to save everyone is because Bernkastel is being gradually manifested? This would explain why she does the bare minimum to save even one person. She has always been like that though. In Arc 6, she only saves Rena and no one else ssjokg said: And she acts as if she doesnt actually know the truth, that she claimed she knew. She should know Takano's plan so why accept their death/disappearance? I mean... It's pretty hard to prevent the destruction of an entire village. She only won with Hanyuu's help and Hanyuu is not a piece on the gameboard. ssjokg said: Maybe we are approaching this the wrong way? This isnt Rika. From the beginning it was Bernkastel tricked into thinking she is Rika. Would make sense why Hanyuu isnt with her and why she is trapped again, as for who would do that Featherine and/or Lambda are obvious answers. Theories aside, I just dont like the color of her scary eyes. Why not just keep them purple or at least make that the primary color? Rika is the set piece of Bernkastel just like how Takano is the set piece of Lambdadelta, so I don't think Bernkastel is being tricked. I think she knew from the beginning that she is inside Rika. The same thing happened with Battler when he committed a logic-error in EP 6 and was forced into the body of the set piece of Battler on the gameboard. What this also could mean is that just like how Lambdadelta was the overseer and judge of Umineko, Featherine is the overseer of Higurashi and her set piece is Hanyuu. I do agree that the red scary eyes don't look good. It should have been a dark purple like in the original. |
NekoArc666Nov 12, 2020 10:53 AM
Nov 12, 2020 10:50 AM
#59
rafaelfserafim said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: Ahhh, so that's why.rafaelfserafim said: She could ease Shion's mental state by removing the tools from the storehouse. Takano's little tour would be useless as well. Also, by desbeantifying the storehouse, the nail punishment wouldn't happen, I guess. Although after reading Wata's VN, the only moment the nails are mentioned are in Keiichi's hallucination at the hospital. It's never mentioned that Mion came with bandages on the fingers to school, things like that. My memory from the anime is blurry, so I suppose things carried out differently in both arcs. I've started to remember a few differences between Watanagashi and Meakashi, even comparing VN to anime (I'm still going to start Tatarigoroshi's VN, so I'm pretty far from Meakashi) but they're not because of the different pov. A few things really carried out differently in both arcs. Please, don't ruin my experience even further lmao Leave me in the mystery. Watanagashi was already ruined to me, because I already know what happened from watching Meakashi. Even reading Onikakushi after watching the whole anime years ago, it felt amazing. I didn't have the same feeling for Watanagashi, so I think it's because of Meakashi. It's not really a spoiler but if you don't want to clear your confusion about the nails thing don't read Shion had her nails removed in 1982 before Satoshi's disappearance not 83 so Rika can't do anything to help her + she probably doesn't know that Shion goes throw that In the anime, I think it made it look like nails thing happened in 83, after the storehouse intrusion. Big flaw there if the confusion happened. Deen WHY? Now I have something to add here. Satoshi was never mentioned once, we only saw a shadow of him in the 4th year murder in this new anime. There's a "no Satoshi" theory, but I find it very unlikely. Also, the arcs are different, so a character can exist in one and not exist on another. Just like Mion and Shion could've not switched places in birth at Watadamashi - another theory. The latter one is more plausible, but let's wait and see. I knew Rena was L5 at Onidamashi but I didn't expect it would end at the door scene, so I hope they bring a completely new ending. I was reading your conversation, and I'm also wondering what Rika will do about ShMion, since she doesn't give a shit anymore. i think they'll just mention Satoshi in the next arc, since it's a Satoko arc so they left him till her arc, i don't think he's just not in the new fragments, they're probably trying to make every arc have new info about the curse, in the next arc they'll mention Satoshi and that he was Satoko's Nii-Nii as new info. |
Nov 12, 2020 10:58 AM
#60
Keiichi's overreactions make even the scenes that are supposed to be scary seem funny lol...then again maybe it's cause I already watched the previous adaptation that I can find it funny now (btw, just want to say that I have forgotten most of storylines, just know the general story in case anyone tries to correct me condescendingly despite having seen the previous adaptation or something...) Unless this gets a second season, the other 2 arcs would probably be condensed to finish off this cour and we'll get the answer arcs for each of the question arcs (?) during the second cour... yea, go play with the ball Keiichi, you gonna die soon anyway, might as well enjoy what little time you have left before you get brutally murdered again |
Nov 12, 2020 11:00 AM
#61
@ArcueidBestGirl But in Arc 6 she doesnt know everything yet. I dont mean the GHD tho. I mean she should know that Takono is faking her death We dont know if this happens before Bern(as she is in Umineko) is born or after. But either way they could make it so that Bern cant recognize that she is trapped in a piece or like Battler after "x amount of time" she broke and like Battler cant really tell what is happening. Battler had clearly suffer a lot mentally to the point of imagining a witch etc. Or she decided to go along with this farce. It is highly unlikely that this isnt Rika but Bern BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, I will go with that for now. EDIt:quotes are fucked so I just mentioned you instead. |
Nov 12, 2020 11:00 AM
#62
Tsukumo_Yuuma said: 1. she did say that in the VN, she didn't talk about the human sacrifices thing cuz it was in the last episode anyway. 2. and Keichii didn't hear the footsteps in Onidamashi, Hanyuu isn't in these fragments so no one hears any foot steps or banging (so that's not an indication of anything, Shion is most likely going L5 like Watanagashi). 3. That conversation was in the day after the Watanagashi, they just placed it here (see my above theory about them including two days in 1) 4. Tomitake and Takano never disappear in the original, they die (Tomitake found dead after clawing his throat and Takano "burnt" in a mountain). both of them disappearing or stealing a car is a new thing and it was weird in Onidamashi as well. rafaelfserafim said: 1. Same as VN, anime probably omitted the cannibalism part. 2. After reading the VN, the way they descripted the noise, I'm actually thinking it was Hanyuu jumping up and down lmao. Just something that came to my mind. Tomitake also heard the noise in the VN, that's why he came in, to check if everyone was ok. 3. That just happened in a different time, different place. Things are pacing out a lot faster. Kimiyoshi's (the mayor) missing at least one night earlier. Keiichi and Ooishi's talk happened the day after Watanagashi in Okinomiya. 4. That's new, and Tomitake stealing the van seems a lot out of character, unless if he felt he was in danger or something. Thanks both for the info :D 2. I completely forgot that Hanyuu is not in this fragment, just didn't think about it... 3. Saw the theory (Tsukumo_Yuuma), makes sense... they most likely did 2 in 1 day, especially the fact that this time the mayor disappeared on the day of watanagashi, not the day later. 4. Yes, I know they died, but I assumed that maybe they did steal the van, and then died, and it was maybe in VN. But this being completely new is even more interesting. |
Nov 12, 2020 11:14 AM
#63
I will have to agree that things are getting quite interesting now. Keiichi knows more in this timeline. Not 100% sure if the Keiichi from the last timeline died but this timeline is way spooky and there is more information. Like we already knew that Rika-chan was somehow related to the curse since the first episode but now this has taken a bigger turn. As Stark700 said, the episode lighting was a little bit too dark. Waiting to see what happened to that couple and what will happen next. |
Nov 12, 2020 11:18 AM
#64
rafaelfserafim said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: Ahhh, so that's why.rafaelfserafim said: She could ease Shion's mental state by removing the tools from the storehouse. Takano's little tour would be useless as well. Also, by desbeantifying the storehouse, the nail punishment wouldn't happen, I guess. Although after reading Wata's VN, the only moment the nails are mentioned are in Keiichi's hallucination at the hospital. It's never mentioned that Mion came with bandages on the fingers to school, things like that. My memory from the anime is blurry, so I suppose things carried out differently in both arcs. I've started to remember a few differences between Watanagashi and Meakashi, even comparing VN to anime (I'm still going to start Tatarigoroshi's VN, so I'm pretty far from Meakashi) but they're not because of the different pov. A few things really carried out differently in both arcs. Please, don't ruin my experience even further lmao Leave me in the mystery. Watanagashi was already ruined to me, because I already know what happened from watching Meakashi. Even reading Onikakushi after watching the whole anime years ago, it felt amazing. I didn't have the same feeling for Watanagashi, so I think it's because of Meakashi. It's not really a spoiler but if you don't want to clear your confusion about the nails thing don't read Shion had her nails removed in 1982 before Satoshi's disappearance not 83 so Rika can't do anything to help her + she probably doesn't know that Shion goes throw that In the anime, I think it made it look like nails thing happened in 83, after the storehouse intrusion. Big flaw there if the confusion happened. Deen WHY? Now I have something to add here. Satoshi was never mentioned once, we only saw a shadow of him in the 4th year murder in this new anime. There's a "no Satoshi" theory, but I find it very unlikely. Also, the arcs are different, so a character can exist in one and not exist on another. Just like Mion and Shion could've not switched places in birth at Watadamashi - another theory. The latter one is more plausible, but let's wait and see. I knew Rena was L5 at Onidamashi but I didn't expect it would end at the door scene, so I hope they bring a completely new ending. I was reading your conversation, and I'm also wondering what Rika will do about ShMion, since she doesn't give a shit anymore. Not true at all. In the anime, the nail ripping scene clearly happened in 82. After Shion was taken to the police station and interrogated about her alibi for Satoshi, her family picks her up, they take her to the underground torture room and they make her rip her nails. Then she's shown visiting the toy store, meeting Ooishi and he tells her that Satoshi had disappeared. So it definitely happened in 82. I'm also wondering about Satoshi, it's beyond weird that they have not mentioned him yet when he was so important from arc 1. I don't know if Mion and Shion really switched, but there is something different going on with them this time. Especially since "Mion" (Shion in disguise) never leaves school early nor asks Keiichi if he met Takano, Tomitake and Shion the night before. |
Nov 12, 2020 11:28 AM
#66
svet said: Keiichi's overreactions make even the scenes that are supposed to be scary seem funny lol...then again maybe it's cause I already watched the previous adaptation that I can find it funny now (btw, just want to say that I have forgotten most of storylines, just know the general story in case anyone tries to correct me condescendingly despite having seen the previous adaptation or something...) Unless this gets a second season, the other 2 arcs would probably be condensed to finish off this cour and we'll get the answer arcs for each of the question arcs (?) during the second cour... yea, go play with the ball Keiichi, you gonna die soon anyway, might as well enjoy what little time you have left before you get brutally murdered again This season will be 5 arcs (according to the Blu-rays) so i think it's unlikely that this won't have a second season and only arc 5 (that will be 7 episodes) will be an answer arc (since the answer arcs usually have more episodes in the anime), unless it's as others said and not every question arc will have its own answer arc like always, instead arc 4 and 5 in this season will explain everything somehow. Tsukumo_Yuuma said: About the structure of this season, i think it'll be the same (every question arc has an answer arc) Ch.3 in this season will be Tataridamashi, but Ch.4 won't be similar to Himatsubushi, since Himatsubushi's purpose was to say "Rika is weird" it won't add anything here, in this season instead of a fragment about the past like Hima it'll be a fragment about the future (some of Rika's future and what happened to her after Ch.8 and why she's in St. Lucia Academy) :0 just my crazy theory for now lol. The fifth arc will be an answer arc for Watadamashi (like Meakashi) since the answer arcs usually have more episodes in the anime. the rest of the answers will be in S2 (hopefully there's a season 2 ) |
Nov 12, 2020 11:34 AM
#67
Tsukumo_Yuuma said: Makes sense. No point in revealing him yet if he's not directly relevant. It was just a theory that popped up in the discussions, I didn't take it seriously. Showing a shadow of him with a bat for me is evidence enough that he was present in the arc.rafaelfserafim said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: rafaelfserafim said: She could ease Shion's mental state by removing the tools from the storehouse. Takano's little tour would be useless as well. Also, by desbeantifying the storehouse, the nail punishment wouldn't happen, I guess. Although after reading Wata's VN, the only moment the nails are mentioned are in Keiichi's hallucination at the hospital. It's never mentioned that Mion came with bandages on the fingers to school, things like that. My memory from the anime is blurry, so I suppose things carried out differently in both arcs. I've started to remember a few differences between Watanagashi and Meakashi, even comparing VN to anime (I'm still going to start Tatarigoroshi's VN, so I'm pretty far from Meakashi) but they're not because of the different pov. A few things really carried out differently in both arcs. Please, don't ruin my experience even further lmao Leave me in the mystery. Watanagashi was already ruined to me, because I already know what happened from watching Meakashi. Even reading Onikakushi after watching the whole anime years ago, it felt amazing. I didn't have the same feeling for Watanagashi, so I think it's because of Meakashi. It's not really a spoiler but if you don't want to clear your confusion about the nails thing don't read Shion had her nails removed in 1982 before Satoshi's disappearance not 83 so Rika can't do anything to help her + she probably doesn't know that Shion goes throw that In the anime, I think it made it look like nails thing happened in 83, after the storehouse intrusion. Big flaw there if the confusion happened. Deen WHY? Now I have something to add here. Satoshi was never mentioned once, we only saw a shadow of him in the 4th year murder in this new anime. There's a "no Satoshi" theory, but I find it very unlikely. Also, the arcs are different, so a character can exist in one and not exist on another. Just like Mion and Shion could've not switched places in birth at Watadamashi - another theory. The latter one is more plausible, but let's wait and see. I knew Rena was L5 at Onidamashi but I didn't expect it would end at the door scene, so I hope they bring a completely new ending. I was reading your conversation, and I'm also wondering what Rika will do about ShMion, since she doesn't give a shit anymore. i think they'll just mention Satoshi in the next arc, since it's a Satoko arc so they left him till her arc, i don't think he's just not in the new fragments, they're probably trying to make every arc have new info about the curse, in the next arc they'll mention Satoshi and that he was Satoko's Nii-Nii as new info. random_weirdo said: So it was really a mistake from my part. My memories from the anime are tipsy, which can be a good thing since I'm reading the VN's now, but I end up mixing things up like that. So, there's old anime, new anime and VN information all mixed up in my mind at the same time lol.rafaelfserafim said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: rafaelfserafim said: She could ease Shion's mental state by removing the tools from the storehouse. Takano's little tour would be useless as well. Also, by desbeantifying the storehouse, the nail punishment wouldn't happen, I guess. Although after reading Wata's VN, the only moment the nails are mentioned are in Keiichi's hallucination at the hospital. It's never mentioned that Mion came with bandages on the fingers to school, things like that. My memory from the anime is blurry, so I suppose things carried out differently in both arcs. I've started to remember a few differences between Watanagashi and Meakashi, even comparing VN to anime (I'm still going to start Tatarigoroshi's VN, so I'm pretty far from Meakashi) but they're not because of the different pov. A few things really carried out differently in both arcs. Please, don't ruin my experience even further lmao Leave me in the mystery. Watanagashi was already ruined to me, because I already know what happened from watching Meakashi. Even reading Onikakushi after watching the whole anime years ago, it felt amazing. I didn't have the same feeling for Watanagashi, so I think it's because of Meakashi. It's not really a spoiler but if you don't want to clear your confusion about the nails thing don't read Shion had her nails removed in 1982 before Satoshi's disappearance not 83 so Rika can't do anything to help her + she probably doesn't know that Shion goes throw that In the anime, I think it made it look like nails thing happened in 83, after the storehouse intrusion. Big flaw there if the confusion happened. Deen WHY? Now I have something to add here. Satoshi was never mentioned once, we only saw a shadow of him in the 4th year murder in this new anime. There's a "no Satoshi" theory, but I find it very unlikely. Also, the arcs are different, so a character can exist in one and not exist on another. Just like Mion and Shion could've not switched places in birth at Watadamashi - another theory. The latter one is more plausible, but let's wait and see. I knew Rena was L5 at Onidamashi but I didn't expect it would end at the door scene, so I hope they bring a completely new ending. I was reading your conversation, and I'm also wondering what Rika will do about ShMion, since she doesn't give a shit anymore. Not true at all. In the anime, the nail ripping scene clearly happened in 82. After Shion was taken to the police station and interrogated about her alibi for Satoshi, her family picks her up, they take her to the underground torture room and they make her rip her nails. Then she's shown visiting the toy store, meeting Ooishi and he tells her that Satoshi had disappeared. So it definitely happened in 82. I'm also wondering about Satoshi, it's beyond weird that they have not mentioned him yet when he was so important from arc 1. I don't know if Mion and Shion really switched, but there is something different going on with them this time. Especially since "Mion" (Shion in disguise) never leaves school early nor asks Keiichi if he met Takano, Tomitake and Shion the night before. about Satoshi, read Tsukumo's comment above. Satoshi is essentially important for Onikakushi, but not for Onidamashi I think. Of course, he's responsible for the 4th year murder, but in the end, Keiichi never grabbed his bat. So they'll probably introduce him in Tataridamashi. His disappearance is probably important for Watadamashi, or maybe not, depending on the outcome, but is omitted in the same fashion as Watanagashi. |
Nov 12, 2020 11:36 AM
#68
ssjokg said: @ArcueidBestGirl But in Arc 6 she doesnt know everything yet. I dont mean the GHD tho. I mean she should know that Takono is faking her death We dont know if this happens before Bern(as she is in Umineko) is born or after. But either way they could make it so that Bern cant recognize that she is trapped in a piece or like Battler after "x amount of time" she broke and like Battler cant really tell what is happening. Battler had clearly suffer a lot mentally to the point of imagining a witch etc. Or she decided to go along with this farce. It is highly unlikely that this isnt Rika but Bern BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, I will go with that for now. EDIt:quotes are fucked so I just mentioned you instead. It is true that Rika saying that Takano died is weird considering that she already knows the truth. But what if she has evidence that Takano died? What if she knows something that makes her think that Takano isn't the mastermind in this world? I'm pretty sure that Rika knows who killed her at the end of the Onidamashi-hen, so maybe using that she deduced that Takano isn't the mastermind. That is also true, and Rika/Bern has been stuck in the loop much longer that Battler has ever been, so it would make sense if she is losing her mind. The thing I have notice with Higurashi and Umineko is that the answers to mysteries have always been right in front of us in plain sight, we just need to interpret it correctly to solve it. For example in Umineko EP 3, we are given Beatrice's backstory and while is has lot's of things that can ruin you're perception of the situation, but if you take away all of the magic reincarnation stuff, we are left with the answer right in front of us I imagine the same will be true with Higurashi Gou as well, which means that the answer shouldn't be over complicated. Well, that's what I hope anyway. Hopefully the anime doesn't cut out so much of the script that the answer is ridiculously hard to find out. |
Nov 12, 2020 11:46 AM
#69
ssjokg said: Seems like Rika is just done with this shit. Considering this, could it be that the reason she isnt really doing shit to save everyone is because Bernkastel is being gradually manifested? This would explain why she does the bare minimum to save even one person. My exact thoughts after I saw this episode. This episode + Umineko allusions in the OP mean my pet theory now is that this Higurashi (aptly named Higurashi: Karma/Destiny) is going to end with Bernkastel manifesting out of Rika as she spirals further and further into madness and maybe even segue into the opening of Umineko whereupon they announce an Umineko re-make. |
Nov 12, 2020 11:49 AM
#70
Whoa Rikka- I’m a little scared of her now. Looks like Shion set up Keiichi. So is Keiichi going crazy this arc? That’s what it looks like so far. Also was Keiichi imagining Rikka say that because of the symptoms of that plague or did Rikka actually say that? |
Nov 12, 2020 11:57 AM
#71
I liked this episode overall, but I feel they decided to take a leaf out of Game of Thrones' book and make everything as dark as their souls. Shame! Shame! Shame! So now we got more information about Takano and Tomitake, but I'm not too sure that it was the same that happened in Onidamashi. After all, stealing a van is something that doesn't go unnoticed, as this arc shows us. They may have done that in Onidamashi too for all I know, but it would be weird for Ooishi not to mention that detail last time. Rika's scene was incredible. She is definitely giving zero shits now. I think she had the intention to help, because after all she went to ask Keiichi why he looks so down. But something snapped and now she has no hope. Although this was played to be creepy, it makes me very sad, poor Rika :( After an episode with only one difference and another one that was exactly the same as the VN/mostly the same as the anime, finally we're getting real divergences. Something I haven't seen anyone talk about is how Oyashiro-sama is still two-armed and his head is broken off. I don't know if this means that Satoko never entered the storehouse when she was little, or if she did enter but beheaded the statue instead of breaking its arm. Whatever it means, I'm guessing this will have implications compared to the original story... if it didn't, what would be the point? Is this maybe the reason Hanyuu can't enter? Some people have mentioned that there are no footsteps because Hanyuu is not there. While the lack of footsteps (or stomping the floor) in this particular scene is definitely due to no Hanyuu, it doesn't mean that characters can't hear footsteps/feel presences in advanced stages of the Syndrome. After all, at the end of Tatarigoroshi, Keiichi's last recorded words are that he hears footsteps again. Also, at the end of Meakashi, Shion feels a presence with her that she identifies as Mion. Neither of these can be Hanyuu as she has already moved on to the next world, so that means that the footsteps/presence are a biological symptom to a certain extent. As others have mentioned, they merged two days into one, probably to speed things up in time for the end of the arc. Most events, like Ooishi's conversation with Keiichi and the mayor's disappearance are still there, but there is one that isn't: Shion, disguised as Mion, leaving school early and asking Keiichi if he had seen Takano, Tomitake and Shion on the festival night. From Meakashi, we know Shion did this to scare Keiichi and make him think he was being targeted, but she made the mistake of asking about seeing Shion because she didn't know that Mion had already asked him that. That leaves the possibility that Shion didn't lock Mion up and the one going to school is still Mion, so she's not going to ask Keiichi the same thing twice. There could be another reason (like cutting time), and Mion's trigger is still not clear, but it's something we can disregard either. I feel that the Rika scene almost confirms this is an origin story for Bernkastel/Umineko tie in. The way she loses all hope and is so cynical points to Bernkastel. My guess is that when she heard that they snuck into the storehouse anyway, she realized that giving Mion the doll did not solve anything and decided "screw it". However, she's still making the mistake of assuming that everything will be exactly as before, since she says that "Shion should still be alive". The part about both Tomitake and Takano being death is more mysterious: if she thinks things are the same as in the Watanagashi/Meakashi fragment, why does she think Takano is dead? And if she did/knows something different has happened to them, why would she be surprised at Tomitake's body not being found but not at Takano's not being found? So many questions, I'm looking forward to more answers! |
Nov 12, 2020 12:02 PM
#72
Bantarific said: ssjokg said: Seems like Rika is just done with this shit. Considering this, could it be that the reason she isnt really doing shit to save everyone is because Bernkastel is being gradually manifested? This would explain why she does the bare minimum to save even one person. My exact thoughts after I saw this episode. This episode + Umineko allusions in the OP mean my pet theory now is that this Higurashi (aptly named Higurashi: Karma/Destiny) is going to end with Bernkastel manifesting out of Rika as she spirals further and further into madness and maybe even segue into the opening of Umineko whereupon they announce an Umineko re-make. I heard somewhere(unreliable probably) that we are getting season 2 of Higurashi Gou so Umineko will have to wait. |
Nov 12, 2020 12:04 PM
#73
I'm loving this so much. All of the little differences from the original Watanagashi -- like Tommy + Takano's fate, Shion acting somewhat differently, Rika snapping, Oyashiro-sama's head crumbling... Some people mentioned that the weird vignette effect lightning in the previous arc might have been unreliable narration due to HS which has some interesting implications considering it happened during the phone scene. Also at this point I'm getting the feeling that Rika doesn't know that Tomitake & Takano van-ished and instead assumes things happened just as usual. Hence her being deceived. |
Nov 12, 2020 12:06 PM
#74
ArcueidBestGirl said: I heard somewhere(unreliable probably) that we are getting season 2 of Higurashi Gou so Umineko will have to wait. Would make sense. They could break the mold and go straight into two short-length answer arcs after (what will presumably be titled) Tatari-damashi, or it'll likely need another season. |
Nov 12, 2020 12:09 PM
#75
_cenjoo said: Whoa Rikka- I’m a little scared of her now. Looks like Shion set up Keiichi. So is Keiichi going crazy this arc? That’s what it looks like so far. Also was Keiichi imagining Rikka say that because of the symptoms of that plague or did Rikka actually say that? I actually feel that way too. They've been playing up his fear a lot, so it could be that he goes cuckoo in the end. The ending of Onidamashi was very similar to the ending of Watanagashi, so what if the ending of Watadamashi actually ends up being similar to Onikakushi? Even if it doesn't, I think it will definitely have a different ending from Watanagashi. |
Nov 12, 2020 12:12 PM
#76
Bantarific said: ArcueidBestGirl said: I heard somewhere(unreliable probably) that we are getting season 2 of Higurashi Gou so Umineko will have to wait. Would make sense. They could break the mold and go straight into two short-length answer arcs after (what will presumably be titled) Tatari-damashi, or it'll likely need another season. Looking at the current leaks though, we see that (the presumably named) Tataridamashi-hen will be 5 episodes long, the arc after that will be 4 episodes long, and the last arc for this season will be 7 episodes long. So getting another season doesn't seem that unlikely. |
Nov 12, 2020 12:18 PM
#77
random_weirdo said: As others have mentioned, they merged two days into one, probably to speed things up in time for the end of the arc. Most events, like Ooishi's conversation with Keiichi and the mayor's disappearance are still there, but there is one that isn't: Shion, disguised as Mion, leaving school early and asking Keiichi if he had seen Takano, Tomitake and Shion on the festival night. From Meakashi, we know Shion did this to scare Keiichi and make him think he was being targeted, but she made the mistake of asking about seeing Shion because she didn't know that Mion had already asked him that. That leaves the possibility that Shion didn't lock Mion up and the one going to school is still Mion, so she's not going to ask Keiichi the same thing twice. There could be another reason (like cutting time), and Mion's trigger is still not clear, but it's something we can disregard either. if Mion is still Mion and Shion didn't lock her up, then where did the mayor go? he disappeared because of something in this arc like ,Watanagashi-hen, so i think it must be Shion, maybe we'll get the Shion leaving school scene in the next episode, they wanted to end this ep with the Rika scene so they changed the order of things again. |
Nov 12, 2020 12:23 PM
#78
Pretty sure next ep is going to be hype af cause this is where sht hits the fan. |
Nov 12, 2020 12:24 PM
#79
I understand Rika thinking that Tomitake is dead.... but shouldn't she know that takano ISN'T dead? |
Nov 12, 2020 12:30 PM
#80
Tsukumo_Yuuma said: random_weirdo said: As others have mentioned, they merged two days into one, probably to speed things up in time for the end of the arc. Most events, like Ooishi's conversation with Keiichi and the mayor's disappearance are still there, but there is one that isn't: Shion, disguised as Mion, leaving school early and asking Keiichi if he had seen Takano, Tomitake and Shion on the festival night. From Meakashi, we know Shion did this to scare Keiichi and make him think he was being targeted, but she made the mistake of asking about seeing Shion because she didn't know that Mion had already asked him that. That leaves the possibility that Shion didn't lock Mion up and the one going to school is still Mion, so she's not going to ask Keiichi the same thing twice. There could be another reason (like cutting time), and Mion's trigger is still not clear, but it's something we can disregard either. if Mion is still Mion and Shion didn't lock her up, then where did the mayor go? he disappeared because of something in this arc like ,Watanagashi-hen, so i think it must be Shion, maybe we'll get the Shion leaving school scene in the next episode, they wanted to end this ep with the Rika scene so they changed the order of things again. That's perfectly possible. As I said, it's not a definitive theory and there could be many other things that explain the absence of that scene beside Mion being out and alright. But I'm not sure if it's going to happen: next episode is for sure going to include a torture chamber showdown and they need to explain how Keiichi will end up there (if Rika has given up hope it will probably be different, because Rika and Satoko's disappearance was what tipped Rena off) and the aftermath. They're going to need all the time they can get. |
Nov 12, 2020 12:32 PM
#81
Why is noone talking about Satoko conveniently "disappearing" during Watanagashi? By disappearing I mean they flat-out said the only one missing from the group (after the 4 leave the storage) is Satoko (and we don't know exactly when, and for how long did Mion, Rena, Rika and her split up.) Now, ofc I know she isn't actually missing (since she was at school the next day), but I'm pretty sure it's important information and, also considering that Satoshi haven't been mentioned yet... Seems fishy. |
Nov 12, 2020 12:58 PM
#82
Rika's like "okay let's pack it up this fragment's shot" |
Nov 12, 2020 1:00 PM
#83
What if Rika is wrong and Keiichi survives? I don’t think she knows as much as she thinks she does this time. Just my theory. |
Nov 12, 2020 1:05 PM
#84
ArcueidBestGirl said: Bantarific said: ArcueidBestGirl said: I heard somewhere(unreliable probably) that we are getting season 2 of Higurashi Gou so Umineko will have to wait. Would make sense. They could break the mold and go straight into two short-length answer arcs after (what will presumably be titled) Tatari-damashi, or it'll likely need another season. Looking at the current leaks though, we see that (the presumably named) Tataridamashi-hen will be 5 episodes long, the arc after that will be 4 episodes long, and the last arc for this season will be 7 episodes long. So getting another season doesn't seem that unlikely. I don't think the bluray volumes being announced on the official site counts as a "leak"? |
Nov 12, 2020 1:07 PM
#85
9timesOutof10 said: What if Rika is wrong and Keiichi survives? I don’t think she knows as much as she thinks she does this time. Just my theory. Well if he does survive it doesnt mean everyone else will. |
Nov 12, 2020 1:09 PM
#86
Gar_Logan said: ArcueidBestGirl said: Bantarific said: ArcueidBestGirl said: I heard somewhere(unreliable probably) that we are getting season 2 of Higurashi Gou so Umineko will have to wait. Would make sense. They could break the mold and go straight into two short-length answer arcs after (what will presumably be titled) Tatari-damashi, or it'll likely need another season. Looking at the current leaks though, we see that (the presumably named) Tataridamashi-hen will be 5 episodes long, the arc after that will be 4 episodes long, and the last arc for this season will be 7 episodes long. So getting another season doesn't seem that unlikely. I don't think the bluray volumes being announced on the official site counts as a "leak"? Well, the official site is in japanese sooo... I'm stupid, that's all there is to it. |
Nov 12, 2020 1:10 PM
#87
Guys I don't remember this demon story in the first arc. Does this mean we're going to see an alternate scenario here? Or the 'answers' will be the same? |
Nov 12, 2020 1:10 PM
#88
ArcueidBestGirl said: Gar_Logan said: ArcueidBestGirl said: Bantarific said: ArcueidBestGirl said: I heard somewhere(unreliable probably) that we are getting season 2 of Higurashi Gou so Umineko will have to wait. Would make sense. They could break the mold and go straight into two short-length answer arcs after (what will presumably be titled) Tatari-damashi, or it'll likely need another season. Looking at the current leaks though, we see that (the presumably named) Tataridamashi-hen will be 5 episodes long, the arc after that will be 4 episodes long, and the last arc for this season will be 7 episodes long. So getting another season doesn't seem that unlikely. I don't think the bluray volumes being announced on the official site counts as a "leak"? Well, the official site is in japanese sooo... I'm stupid, that's all there is to it. Haha I'd just call them predictions/assumptions over leaks. Since it is like you posted, really likely that each volume contains an arc. |
Nov 12, 2020 1:12 PM
#89
I thought Mion is the one who's going nut this time. Yet it is Rika-chan XD. |
Nov 12, 2020 1:32 PM
#90
Is Rika actually brain dead? Like instead of actually trying to change the timeline she actually let it go smoothly and when shit happens she comes and bitch to Keiichi about. Bittch you are the one with time travel power. |
Nov 12, 2020 1:57 PM
#91
Devil_Slayer said: Is Rika actually brain dead? Like instead of actually trying to change the timeline she actually let it go smoothly and when shit happens she comes and bitch to Keiichi about. Bittch you are the one with time travel power. Wasn't her attempt to change things the doll scene a couple eps back? |
Nov 12, 2020 2:03 PM
#92
The direction is still dreadfully boring (I'm tempted to say DEEN's original take did the suspense better, at this point). The whole is going into pretty crazy directions, and this point I think it's clear the original mystery is gone. Not sure what is going on with Rika, she's like not even trying despite her words in ep 2. |
Nov 12, 2020 2:13 PM
#93
Okay so i reread some of Ch.2 in the VN, and i noticed that After the Watanagashi, Mion only asks Keiichi about Shion (probably asking to know if he was hanging around with her again) but she doesn't ask him about Tomi and Takano, because she doesn't know that he went to the ritual storehouse with them (or that they're dead). Shion is the one who asked Keiichi about Tomi and Takano later, to scare him. So why did Mion ask Keiichi about them in this episode? she has no reason to do so imo, i honestly don't know (unless she knew he sneaked into to the ritual storehouse with them). or somehow Shion switched places with Mion (and Rena didn't notice (?) ). Thought this was interesting and idk if it's a clue for anything. |
Nov 12, 2020 2:28 PM
#94
Wasn't expecting Rika to kinda spill the beans to Keiichi already. There were some interesting differences this episode too, such as Takano and Tomitake stealing a van. But pretty much the same events as the first two episodes of the 2006 anime happened, yet they're stretched out over three now. It makes this feel a lot slower, which could be good IF they deliver on the middle point (which we've sorta reached now) and the climax of the arc. OG anime already had some awesome stuff happening by the time the third episode of the arc was reached, so I hope this picks up the pace for the final (hopefully two or three) episodes of the arc. Gar_Logan said: Rika's like "okay let's pack it up this fragment's shot" yeah lmao, what a mood. Really caught me off guard, but I feel her tbh |
Nov 12, 2020 2:30 PM
#95
- So, "Watanagashi" has another meaning, too. - KEIICHI being a brat! - Cooking Utensils, huh?! |
Nov 12, 2020 2:32 PM
#96
Man, 90% is just the old stuff. I'm considering just reading the episode summaries instead of watching. |
Nov 12, 2020 2:35 PM
#97
Samu-tan said: so I hope this picks up the pace for the final (hopefully two or three) episodes of the arc. Unfortunately, according the blu-rays, there's only 1 more episode left of this arc. |
Nov 12, 2020 2:45 PM
#99
jTiKey said: Man, 90% is just the old stuff. I'm considering just reading the episode summaries instead of watching. because it's a remake/reboot |
Nov 12, 2020 3:04 PM
#100
Jin_uzuki said: The direction is still dreadfully boring (I'm tempted to say DEEN's original take did the suspense better, at this point). The whole is going into pretty crazy directions, and this point I think it's clear the original mystery is gone. Not sure what is going on with Rika, she's like not even trying despite her words in ep 2. I have to agree completely. Tension is something that DEEN did extremely well regardless if the material was not as close to the VN as it should hace |
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