| Calls for boycott of French goods in the Islamic world after Prophet Muhammad cartoons https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/26/france-islamic-end-boycott-french-goods-macron-muhammad-cartoons With Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan notably suggesting french president needed “treatment on a mental level.” and french government said on Sunday it would recall the country’s ambassador in Ankara https://www.marketwatch.com/story/france-turkey-row-reaches-new-highs-after-erdogan-hurls-insults-at-macron-11603716428 and Pakistani Senate on Monday unanimously approved a resolution strongly condemned the latest attempt of illegal and Islamophobic acts of republishing blasphemous cartoons of Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in France. https://www.geo.tv/latest/315282-senate-unanimously-approves-resolution-condemning-blasphemous-french-cartoons with multiple scholars of the Islamic world and some of the most notable scholars of Pakistan, Scholars like Allama Hisham Elahi Zaheer issuing fatwas against Macron and Allama khadim hussain rizvi in saying Muslim ummah should declare jihad against France https://twitter.com/PresidentTLPEng/status/1320339052781076480 https://twitter.com/Rizvi_Status11/status/1320732527758368768 So what do you guys think will happen i fear this topic is gonna escalate more Update: Tens of thousands protest in Dhaka, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Qatar, iraq over caricatures of Muhammad, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/27/world-reaction-to-macron https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/10/26/Iraqis-protest-Macron-comments-on-Prophet-cartoon-outside-French-embassy-in-Baghdad- Pakistan's National Assembly passes a resolution for recalling envoy from France later finds out Pakistan has no ambassador in France https://www.geo.tv/latest/315340-pakistan-has-no-ambassador-in-france A political/religious party Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan known for its countrywide street power and massive protests has called for protest at France's embassy in Pakistan after 3 days and also hinted that they will declare jihad against France there https://twitter.com/AliRizvi78/status/1320726527651254273 meanwhile, France urges Middle Eastern countries to stop boycott of French products https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/france-urges-middle-eastern-countries-to-stop-boycott-of-french-products.689061/ Update2: Charlie Hebdo prints caricature of Erdogan and Turkey threatens legal, diplomatic action over Charlie Hebdo’s caricature of Erdogan https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20201028-turkey-blasts-charlie-hebdo-s-immoral-caricature-of-erdogan Update3: A woman has been decapitated, and two others have been killed, during a knife attack inside the Notre Dame Basilica church in the French city of Nice. The mayor of Nice, Christian Estrosi, tweeted that the incident is a "terrorist" attack. and that the "Islamo-fascist" assailant "didn't stop shouting Allahu Akhbar even under medication" after being shot and arrested. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/29/knife-attack-reported-near-church-nice-one-dead/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54729957 |
MaOtwEOct 29, 2020 4:28 AM
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| They sure talk big for countries in crusade range. Especially Erdogan should learn to stay calm because Turkey's punishment for their provocations in eastern Mediterranean sea has yet to be exactly decided, so he's just alienating even more EU against him. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Anyway, what I think is that Europe is already starting to side with France on the subject, and who's going to hurt more in a trade war between the EU and some random islamic states is probably quite obvious. And especially after the beheading incident, they aren't going to find France receptive about their pleas. |
ZefyrisOct 26, 2020 12:36 PM
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| I wonder how much controversy an anime with him would be. Lmao In all seriousness if you live in those countries you really got to be careful to not be public about the stuff or you will upset "the religion of peace." |
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| Yes tell your sheep that the other side is crazy for allowing freedom of expression very good Islam much peace don't protest against radicals who behead innocent people in the name of your own religion the cartoons are the problem as they defame the holy prophet Mohamkaasmet |
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| Again? Hopefully they won't kill anyone this time |
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| Their fault for letting them in. they only have themselves to blame. they deserve what happens to them in 20+ years in demographic shift. |
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| I only know this news right now through this thread. My oh my. |
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| Wow another controversial thread that'll probably blow up until tomorrow |
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| If Erdogan is annoyed at Macron for his response to Islam, I dread to think what his response will be when he finds out that China is detaining almost 3 million Uyghur Muslims in Xinjia....... ohhhhh that’s right he’s on the Chinese Communist Party payroll. |
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| i wonder what they would do to me for posting this meme a while back i mean, there's even Jesus-chan, but a meme isa meme |
Korishi said: i wonder what they would do to me for posting this meme a while back i mean, there's even Jesus-chan, but a meme isa meme i don't understand. what does this mean? |
| Fucking french people. so disrespectful. fuck them all. |
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ProfessionalNEET said: It doesn't seem that the French president has handled this situation very well. While he was right in condemning the the beheading, it seems like Macron has used this incident as pretext for promoting Islamophobic talking points and policies rather than actually trying to bridge the divide between Muslims and non-Muslims in France. The response from Muslim countries is understandable, but I am not sure it will end up amounting to much, especially since I anticipate most Western countries will end up rallying behind Macron. Also, this tension could easily be exploited by Islamophobic and xenophobic politicians in the West for political gain. Many "seems" for very few truths. Just listen to the speech and please stop propagating this "islamophobic" interpretation of Macron's words. Not surprising from a communist though. Very understandable from people who have no idea of what is secularism, like Erdogan. Justified? Not really. Macron does not buy at all in the xenophobic discourses, wrong pick. The tension is made up by countries who made of political intervention the rule. Very nice countries where everyone has the freedom of religious beliefs guaranteed by the law. Korishi said: and aren't Muslims being heavily persecuted in China? why does the Pakistani PM not speak out against that too? regarding the boycotting; at least extremists have become more civil in retaliation i guess. The reason is that he receives big money from China. Hypocrisy at its finest. |
BrightFlashLight said: Three cheers for yet another fun show in Europe. Basically, why not make cartoons, distorting the history of France too. I mean it's all in good fun, right?! They should date already. everyone is already allowed to do that anyway. It's just cartoon, no one is claiming those to be accurate depiction of History (except maybe some propaganda in some shitty anti French 3rd world country, but who cares about that). We don't behead peoples for making weird cartoons about Jeanne d'Arc or Louis XVI. That's called being civilised. Also UK and US distorts French's recent History all the time, and they don't need cartoon to do that. Oeufhbpi said: I mean, projecting a depiction of Muhammad was an incredibly stupid move. Then we need to do it more just to be sure. Stopping to do it would be applying Islamic laws in OUR country. No way in hell that would be acceptable. Amatniki said: Fucking french people. so disrespectful. fuck them all. That was very brave and mature of you for sure~ |
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Korishi said: lol. i always thought Islam was similar to Christianity, in that the way of the old law serves as history, and we take a different approach according to our new time and also according to what Jesus taught (or Mohamed in their case)... The material conditions Islam was exposed to is different from the ones Christianity was. I mean Christianity by scale didn't really develop in Middle East as much as in Europe. Also Christianity has been around a few hundred years longer so it had more time. Switch their places and times of origin and you would probably see a lot of their roles and behaviors switch with it. Plus you do still see some barbaric cultural practices from Christians widespread in impoverish and wartorn countries but even in developed countries for example abortion clinic bombings and shootings are entirely done by Christians. Christianity isn't purely about Jesus that's Jesusism if it was which is considered something else. Christianity is about the Biblical God as well and the rules there. Likewise Islam isn't all about Muhammad even though some Muslims make it seem that way. |
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| Meanwhile "Anger spreads in the rest of the World after Muslims think killing a teacher is a good way to discuss how cartoons hurt their feelings". Looks like we are going to need another crusade soon. We should make international "draw muhammad day". ProfessionalNEET said: It doesn't seem that the French president has handled this situation very well. While he was right in condemning the the beheading, it seems like Macron has used this incident as pretext for promoting Islamophobic talking points and policies rather than actually trying to bridge the divide between Muslims and non-Muslims in France. The response from Muslim countries is understandable, but I am not sure it will end up amounting to much, especially since I anticipate most Western countries will end up rallying behind Macron. Also, this tension could easily be exploited by Islamophobic and xenophobic politicians in the West for political gain. Islamophobia, A phobia is an irrational fear. Being fearful of a "Cult" that teaches that people should be beheaded is very rational. |
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Korishi said: He is spineless. Where are his own principles to be seen, yet he is condemning a satirical caricature? I must be uninformed of a deeper political tension because this is not convincing. Well, there is not really a deeper reason, but you can look into the Karachi affair from the 90s. He had already tweeted when Charlie Hebdo published the caricatures again (look t the comments below his message, they are priceless, including those who speak about declaring war to France...). Since then, the relationships between France and Pakistan have been mostly non-existent. ProfessionalNEET said: Meusnier said: Many "seems" for very few truths. Just listen to the speech and please stop propagating this "islamophobic" interpretation of Macron's words. Not surprising from a communist though. Very understandable from people who have no idea of what is secularism, like Erdogan. Justified? Not really. Macron does not buy at all in the xenophobic discourses, wrong pick. The tension is made up by countries who made of political intervention the rule. Very nice countries where everyone has the freedom of religious beliefs guaranteed by the law. Well I can give some specific actions Macron has engaged in since the beheading incident: After years of brutal attacks by Muslims who’d been radicalized at the margins of French society, the government has finally had enough. Early this month, Macron unveiled his long-awaited plan: reforming the practice of Islam in France. The proposals would restrict the funds that Muslim communities receive from abroad, supposedly limiting foreign influence, and create a certificate program for French-trained imams, among other things. Paty’s killing made this matter much more urgent. The French Interior Ministry added this past week that officials will target for potential dissolution more than 50 French Muslim associations if they’re found to be promoting hatred, including a mainstream group devoted to combating Islamophobia. Macron wants to build “an Islam in France that can be an Islam of the Enlightenment,” as he put it, and to halt “repeated deviations from the values of the republic and which often result in the creation of a counter-society.” The objective, backed by popular sentiment, appears sensible: to protect the French from further attacks. “What we need to fight is Islamist separatism,” Macron said. But the method seems designed to solve a different problem than terrorist violence. Instead of addressing the alienation of French Muslims, especially in France’s exurban ghettos, or banlieues — which experts broadly agree is the root cause that leaves some susceptible to radicalization and violence — the government aims to influence the practice of a 1,400-year-old faith, one with almost 2 billion peaceful followers around the world, including tens of millions in the West. It’s an odd answer to the problem (although one that echoes the way Napoleon regulated the practice of Judaism). But it’s perhaps the only one France can contemplate in a universe where it will not commit to measuring the systemic discrimination that fuels so much of the “separatism” it seeks to combat. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/macron-france-reform-islam-paty/2020/10/23/f1a0232c-148b-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html#comments-wrapper I know very well of that, and this goes back to before the beheading. I do not see anything wrong in this article. This is only normal to stop giving public subventions to associations that put the sharia above the laws of France. Some associations do not fight "islamophobia", they fight our immortal values of 1789. |
| I think it's highly likely that the media is putting a huge magnifying glass on the issue and making it worse. The media as a whole is basically like any other rage-bait internet journalist. "Look at this person who is angry" "Look at that person, and those people! And look, this is an important person who is angry too!" No one is pointing to the millions of muslims who... not just the ones who aren't bothered, but what about all the ones who are offended but have a reasonable, moderate attitude to the thing and don't care to cause conflict and strife over it with mindless relation-minded rhetoric? No one points at them. That's kind of by-the-by though, because the issue is precisely as big as the media makes us think it is. Perception is reality in many ways. So what do I think? It's just a cartoon right? I haven't read in depth on the issue. I think different cultures have different attitudes to free speech and Muslims in other countries shouldn't care what people do in France. As for Muslims in France... well, they chose to live in a place which has western values of freedom of expression. Although those are being eroded all the time. Kind of relevant, I was just browsing J-List earlier and was reminded how they are restricted from sending certain adult products to Australia and Canada. But not to China funnily enough. Makes you think. |
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Things were already boiling after france projected cartoons of Prophet Muhmmad on a govt building but things have accelerated in the last two days after Macron said Islam was a religion ‘in crisis’ worldwide and Erdogan's comment on Macron's mental health, I just hope people can realize the value of a human life it's just sad what's going on with all the fatwas coming in and all..... |
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Nurguburu said: If Erdogan is annoyed at Macron for his response to Islam, I dread to think what his response will be when he finds out that China is detaining almost 3 million Uyghur Muslims in Xinjia....... ohhhhh that’s right he’s on the Chinese Communist Party payroll. This has nothing to do with Turkey. Erdoğan is abusing his position again. Standing up against France to gain more support from Indian muslims and Pakistanis alas they won't vote in elections. that's it. nothing to see here. https://old.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/jikrkk/france_is_100_right_in_combatting_islamist/ Macron is right. And noone can do anything against China becase of the Belt and Road iniative and Chinese telecommunication companies. Even Germany is using Huawei for deploying a 5G network. And I'm not even talking about Czech Republic and other European countries. Korishi said: and aren't Muslims being heavily persecuted in China? why does the Pakistani PM not speak out against that too? regarding the boycotting; at least extremists have become more civil in retaliation i guess. @Darkraii its xbox series x....Mecca.... Easy to guess because China basically owns Pakistan. https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/pakistan-discovers-the-high-cost-of-chinese-investment/ They also support them against India. |
CnonOct 26, 2020 4:54 PM
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| Blasphemy laws (against Island only of course) will be implemented sooner or later. European are being replaced by Muslims slowly. |
ProfessionalNEET said: FreeThought said: Islamophobia, A phobia is an irrational fear. Yes, yes it is. Being fearful of a "Cult" that teaches that people should be beheaded is very rational. I don't know or really care what Islam or the Quran or whatever teach. What I care about is the actions their followers engage in and the circumstances surrounding said actions. I already demonstrated to you in another thread that the Bible promotes some pretty violent shit (like genocide), yet you typically don't see Christians engaging in those sorts of thing (although Christians did commit genocide in the past, using religion as an excuse. Think of Manifest Destiny of example). The thing about religious texts is that they are often not followed very closely, and are often nitpicked by their followers to suit the sort of society they live in. For example, the Bible instructs women to wear headcoverings: But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. -1 Corinthians 11:5-6 But do you see most Christian women wearing head coverings? Probably not. It is because there are other factors besides Biblical verses that influence whether or not they wear said coverings. Heck, I bet a lot of Christian women don't even know this verse exists. Same rules apply to Muslims. Most Islamic extremism is a byproduct of a perceived attack on the religion, whether it be Western imperialism in Muslim countries, or discrimination against Muslims in Western countries. Christians, as well as adherents of many other religions, would likely act similar if placed under similar circumstances. And of course, the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. Majority of muslims are radical. The studies showed that 84% of Muslims in South Asia support Sharia as the official law, 64% in the Middle East-North Africa region, 74% in the Middle East- North Africa region, 77% in Southeast Asia, 18% in Southern and Eastern Europe, and 12% in Central Asia. Remember that these numbers are of Muslims who support making Sharia the official law of their country, not those who follow all or some of Sharia. When Pew asked if Sharia should only apply to Muslims the majority said yes. Although you can make the argument, if they want to make it the law of the land then doesn’t that apply to everyone? Of all the studies conducted it is estimated that 680 million Muslims can be considered radical. https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/  Terrorism ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06 http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45. http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/living%20apart%20together%20-%20jan%2007.pdf People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children: http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/ http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html World Public Opinion: 83% of Egyptians approve of attacks on American troops. 26% of Indonesians approve of attacks on American troops. 26% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on American troops. 68% of Moroccans approve of attacks on American troops. 90% of Palestinians approve of attacks on American troops. 72% of Jordanians approve of attacks on American troops. 52% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (39% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on American troops. About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf World Public Opinion (2009): 30% of Palestinians support attacks on American civilians working in Muslim countries. 24% support the murder of Americans on U.S. soil. Only 74% of Turks and 55% of Pakistanis disapprove of terror attacks against civilians on U.S. soil. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah 30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah 45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative) 43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative) http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative). 49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative) 49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative) 39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative) http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. 34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ 16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable". http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified. 35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall). 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). 22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall). 29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall). https://selectra.co.uk/sites/selectra.co.uk/files/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60 Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never). 28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never). http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/ Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified https://selectra.co.uk/sites/selectra.co.uk/files/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60 27% of British Muslims do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified. 37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target". http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified). http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh). http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say. http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/ BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam". http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/ Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks. http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-for-hamas-skyrockets-following-war-poll-shows/ Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia. http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/ The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree). http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree). http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf ICM (2016): 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain would not report terror plot to police. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.713917 East West University (Bangladesh) (2016): 1 in 10 Bangladeshi university students support terrorism. Of these, more than half (52%) are from well-off families. http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2016/11/21/study-finds-10-percent-students-in-bangladesh-universities-support-terrorismupport-terrorism" target="_blank"> http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2016/11/21/study-finds-10-percent-students-in-bangladesh-universities-support-terrorism Policy Exchange (2016): 48% if British Muslims would not report a person "linked to terror." https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/ (German) Federal Ministry for Family Affairs (2018) - 8% of Muslim students support the creation of an Islamic State via terrorism. https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/01/german-study-almost-one-in-three-muslim-students-would-fight-and-die-for-islam/ https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article172327527/Kriminalitaetsstudie-Islamistische-Tendenzen-im-Klassenzimmer.html Policy and Survey Research (2019) - 61% of Palestinians approve of bomb attack on Jewish family that killed teen girl. https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/09/61-of-palestinians-approve-of-jihad-murder-of-israeli-teen al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and Islamic State (ISIS) Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright. https://selectra.co.uk/sites/selectra.co.uk/files/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds). http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/ Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda. http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/ al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden http://www.partisanlines.com/threads/al-jazeera-arabic-poll-49-9-support-osama-bin-laden.712/ Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003 41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007 56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003 http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/iran-terrorism-al-qaida-islam-opinions-columnists-ilan-berman.html Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden 54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdf MacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/ World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law. Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries; (Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%) http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden: Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer) Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer) Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27 percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings). http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf Pew Research (2010): 49% of Nigerian Muslims have favorable view of al-Qaeda (34% unfavorable) 23% of Indonesians have favorable view of al-Qaeda (56% unfavorable) 34% of Jordanians have favorable view of al-Qaeda 25% of Indonesians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden (59% had confidence in 2003) 1 in 5 Egyptians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ Pew Research (2011): 22% of Indonesians have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (21% unfavorable) http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/ Gallup: 51% of Pakistanis grieve Osama bin Laden (only 11% happy over death) 44% of Pakistanis viewed Osama bin Laden as a martyr (only 28% as an oulaw) http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/05/majority_of_our_pakistani_alli.html Zogby International 2011: “Majorities in all six countries said they viewed the United States less favorably following the killing of the Al-Qaeda head [Osama bin Laden] in Pakistan” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/arab-worlds-views-of-us-president-obama-increasingly-negative-new-poll-finds/2011/07/12/gIQASzHVBI_blog.html Populus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist Informal poll of Saudis in August 2014 shows 92% agree that Islamic State (ISIS) "conforms to the values of Islam and Islamic law." http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/08/24/92-of-saudis-believes-that-isis-conforms-to-the-values-of-islam-and-islamic-law-survey/ Hurriyet Daily News / Metropoll (2015): 20% of Turks support the slaughter of Charlie Hebdo staffers and cartoonists. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/metropoll-42-turkish-public-believe-muslims-are-real-victims-charlie-hebdo-attack-1486355 al-Jazeera Poll (2015): 81% of respondents support the Islamic State (ISIS). http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/ The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 33% of Muslim-Americans say al-Qaeda beliefs are Islamic or correct. (49% disagree), http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 38% of Muslim-Americans say Islamic State (ISIS) beliefs are Islamic or correct. (43% disagree), http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf ICM (Mirror) Poll 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357 Clarion Project Study (2015): 11.5% of Arabs support ISIS, or about 42 million. http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/isis-has-least-42-million-supporters-arab-world Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (2015): Two-thirds of Palestinians support the stabbing of Israeli civilians. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/12051848/More-than-two-thirds-of-Palestinians-support-knife-attacks-against-Israelis.html Social Trends Survey (2016): 21% of Turks says ISIS 'represents Islam"; 10% would not categorize it as a terrorist organization. http://www.trust.org/item/20160112154230-7c2sb/ ICM (2014): 16% of all French Muslims support ISIS, including 27% of those aged 18-24. http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-citizens-support-isis-poll-finds-266795 al-Jazeera Website Survey (2015): 81% of respondents approve of "regional conquests: by ISIS. http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/05/25/al-jazeera-survey-shows-81-percent-support-islamic-state/# 9/11 Attacks al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.html Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially") http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/05/that-tiny-percentage-of-radical-muslims.html http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC06.php?CID=1154 Pew Research (2011): Large majorities of Muslims believe in 9/11 conspiracy http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2066/muslims-westerners-christians-jews-islamic-extremism-september-11 Policy Exchange (2016): Only 4% of Muslims in Britain believe al-Qaeda was behind 9/11 (31% believe it was the United States government). http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3992304/Only-one-25-British-Muslims-believe-Al-Qaeda-carried-9-11-terror-attack-says-think-tank.html Violence in Defense of Islam Jakarta Post (2006): 40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/40-of-indonesians-would-wage-war-for-islam Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009) Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam (Wikileaks cable) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06 http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population; Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06 http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam 86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam 30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam 76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam 51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist BBC (2007): 36% of younger Muslims in the UK believe a Muslim should be killed for converting to another religion (19% of those over 55 agree). http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6309983.stm Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all. http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/index.php/pot/article/view/sharia-adherence-mosque-survey/html Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Muslims in the 'Middle East - North Africa Region' advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion. (It is 86% in Egypt). http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed). http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf Pew Research (2013): 39% of Muslims in Malaysia say suicide bombings "justified" in defense of Islam (only 58% say 'never'). http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/ Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed. http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/survey-on-islam-in-austria-18-of-muslims-support-death-sentence-for-apostasy-21-9-oppose-democracy/ Motivaction Survey (2014): 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers. Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters. http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/ BBC (2015): Following the Charlie Hebdo attacks, 27% of British Muslims openly support violence against cartoonists. Another 8% would not say, meaning that only 2 of 3 surveyed would say that the killings were not justified. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31293196 The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 24% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified against those who "offend Islam" (60% disagree). http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 29% of Muslim-Americans agree that violence against those who insult Muhammad or the Quran is acceptable (61% disagree). http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf Pew Research (2015): 40% of Palestinians, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% of Muslims in Bangladesh agree that violence against civilians in defense of Islam is sometimes justified. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/ Pew Research (2013): 8% of Muslims in America say suicide bombings and other violence against civilians in defense of Islam is sometimes or often justified. 81% say it is never justified. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-app-a/ Arab Observatory of Religions and Freedom (2016) Only 39% in Egypt condemn religious extremism. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/10/survey-reveals-aggressive-pro-sharia-attitudes-in-countries-providing-major-source-of-eu-migrants/ University of Munster Study (2016): 20% of Turks living in Germany say that "the threat which the West poses to Islam justifies violence. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8321/germany-turks-integration University of Munster Study (2016): 7% of Turks living in Germany agree that "violence is justified" to spread Islam. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8321/germany-turks-integration Pew Research (2017): 20% of Muslims in America say violence to further the cause of Islam is justified (8% say "rarely", 12% say "sometimes" or "often") https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/07/31/decisive-majority-of-us-muslims-oppose-violence-against-civilians-new-survey-shows/ http://www.pewforum.org/2017/07/26/findings-from-pew-research-centers-2017-survey-of-us-muslims/ (German) Federal Ministry for Family Affairs (2018) - 18.6% of Muslim students in Lower Saxony agree that "it is the plight of Muslims to battle non-believers and to spread Islam all over the world." 29.9% say they are prepared to fight and die for Islam. https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/01/german-study-almost-one-in-three-muslim-students-would-fight-and-die-for-islam/ https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article172327527/Kriminalitaetsstudie-Islamistische-Tendenzen-im-Klassenzimmer.html Institut Français d’Opinion Publique (2020): 26% of young Muslims in France refuse to condemn the 2015 killing of a dozen employees at the Charlie Hebdo office, which had printed cartoons of Muhammad. 41% of all Muslims said they would not observer a moment of silence for the victims. https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/09/03/over-quarter-french-muslim-youth-refuse-condemn-charlie-hebdo-terror-attack/ https://www.ifop.com/publication/droit-au-blaspheme-caricatures-liberte-dexpression-les-francais-sont-ils-encore-charlie/ |
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BrightFlashLight said: Zefyris said: everyone is already allowed to do that anyway. It's just cartoon, no one is claiming those to be accurate depiction of History (except maybe some propaganda in some shitty anti French 3rd world country, but who cares about that). We don't behead peoples for making weird cartoons about Jeanne d'Arc or Louis XVI. That's called being civilised. Also UK and US distorts French's recent History all the time, and they don't need cartoon to do that. We all know what the UK and the US are like. Especially the US. Can't you see that Erdogan just wants to be accepted. France ought to tell Turkey they want to be accepted for who they are too. It's only normal they should do more for each other. xD But first, we definitely need a healthier Islam. It's only fair for Macron to portray himself as an all-accepting saint to appease Turkey's fears. I only fear it doesn't happen. No. Erdogan perceive diplomacy as weakness and has been doing so for a long time. He's been used to the fact that EU was only weakly protesting to all of his abuse in the middle east because they were technically allies through the NATO system and that Turkey was a strategic location. That's why he perceives the western power at weak and indecisive and thinks he can do and get whatever he wants. And to be fair, to the EU and US's fault, it was mostly true until recently. He went too far a few months ago with the Greek water trespassing incidents and has been keeping at it since then. When France started to show full support for Greece, Erdogan immediately started spouting threats and insults at France and Greece. Turkey didn't use to be isolated anyway. Its status as a NATO member in fact was guaranteeing that it would not. But Erdogan has been so aggressive, so dismissive of his own "allies" words, and lately even answering with threats of an army conflict and so on, that he managed to convince all of his NATO allies that defending him on this wasn't possible. Egypt, Iran, the full EU, the UAE, Israel, pretty much all the power around them are fed up with his antics. Even the US has relocated its local base with nukes away from Turkey towards Greek islands. That's not how you behave when you "want to be accepted". It's under Erdogan that Turkey isolated itself like that. Turkey used to be accepted after Ataturks making the country go secular and building a way better country overall. Heck there used to be serious talks about including Turkey into the EU even. Oeufhbpi said: @Zefyris You realize that all it’ll do is trigger the Muslims more? I’m not saying that depictions should be outlawed but this kind of response does absolutely nothing except making the Muslims angrier, as you can see by their reaction just now. I think Macron announced stricter monitoring of religious teachings which I fully support along with other measures, but projecting a picture of Muhammad does nothing. It doesn't matter if they get triggered. They do not own the place, those backward countries have got no say in how we run our country. Showing weakness to islamic state by complying to their request is exactly why things have gotten so bad with it. Because they perceive this as sheer weakness rather than perceiving being diplomatic and avoiding conflict as a strength. EU should not back down of one cm against that kind of threats. Compromising is not only unnecessary in this case, but it's also counter productive if you want peaceful solutions. |
ZefyrisOct 26, 2020 11:52 PM
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Ryuk9428 said: I read this thread title and thought this was a resurrected thread from 2015. It's actually related, since the Charlie Hebdo attack has been on the news recently because of the trial going on. That's also why that History and civic rights teacher used those specifically to have a debate with his students. |
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BrightFlashLight said: Three cheers for yet another fun show in Europe. Basically, why not make cartoons, distorting the history of France too. I mean it's all in good fun, right?! They should date already. Well, there is a lot actually. Below is just one example. How should I put it without offending any French fries... yeah they're not the best in Europe.  |
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vuxk said: BrightFlashLight said: Three cheers for yet another fun show in Europe. Basically, why not make cartoons, distorting the history of France too. I mean it's all in good fun, right?! They should date already. Well, there is a lot actually. Below is just one example. How should I put it without offending any French fries... yeah they're not the best in Europe. That was hilarious! Felt like MAL Rewrite's server. Thanks for sharing. |
| Muslims are right to be angry with such blasphemy. And within their own nations & cultures, I'm wholeheartedly fine with their decision to censor such things. But here in the West, we'll remain irreverent bastards who don't give a fuck about your feelings. And just because of this, I hope to one day see a doujin starring Muhammad as a loli and Aisha as her yuri lover. |
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Only_Brad said: European are being replaced by Muslims slowly. hmm the correct word would be "Becoming" instead of replacing i think haha |
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| I feel like I can't say this enough these days. Deus Vult infidels. https://www.historytoday.com/archive/knights-templar-arrested-france Enjoy your energy crisis. u_u |
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