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Do you skip to the action scenes in hentai?
Apr 20, 2020 8:55 PM
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Title is self-explanatory.

Many people only watch hentai for the ecchi aspects and skip to the action scenes. Therefore, it would be logical to get rid of the surrounding plot, but I feel that doing this is an insult to those who hold the plot in a hentai very highly.

I also believe plot is necessary in hentai so there is still a reason for the action scenes to occur, no matter how strange or devoid of intelligent thought these reasons are. Mindless hentai will likely contribute more to that afterthought when you realize what you just watched, whereas meaningful hentai could help you ascend.
Apr 20, 2020 9:00 PM
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Bible Black did a great job on that i guess, great plot and the story carries itself in a good way.




Apr 20, 2020 9:03 PM
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Soooooo smut basically?



Honestly I'd actually like to see that more often in regular romance shows, but I can see that being an issue with broadcasting and even just getting the VA's to agree to voice acting that kinda stuff
Apr 20, 2020 9:43 PM
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Nah! but think that there should be action drama anime with sexuality.
Apr 21, 2020 12:36 AM
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No. If too much talk I'd just skip to the sex scene anyway, so plot is useless. I come for porn. If I want good plot, I won't pick hentai.
Apr 21, 2020 12:42 AM
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Nah. I've seen hentai that is like 80% plot and 20% sex and it's just uncanny. Imagine watching a pretty decent anime only to see a unnecessary, crude sex scene in the middle of it that completely changes your view of the characters. And then suddenly it acts as if that shit never happened and goes back to the plot. It's weird and it doesn't work at all outside of anything that isn't romance based.

The only plot that should belong in hentai tbh is a 1-5 minute context scene at the beginning that sets the episode up imo
Apr 21, 2020 12:47 AM
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It doesn't have to be extremely detailed or span half an episode, but having some plot is nice for immersion
Apr 21, 2020 1:02 AM
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I didn't vote, because it depends on the artist, at least in doujin, if the artist says "fuck, I have a good story and it runs around sex, i will make it a ero-doujin", thats great, and if says "shit, Why there's no porn whit this specific Fetish cluster? i will draw one", thats good to, internet have to much hentai, both options can be there, you choose what you want.
Apr 21, 2020 1:26 AM
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The thing is hentai would be so much better if they actually had a decent story with decent characters. Never gonna happen though.

But no, it is filled with NTR and rape bullshit and women who are either dumb as fuck and/or horny sluts that enjoy being taken advantage of.
Apr 21, 2020 1:29 AM

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yeah some of them should have a somewhat decent plot at least, it makes it more interesting than straight fucking. I'd like more romance hentai with hot guys please ( Ν‘° ΝœΚ– Ν‘°)

and when will the girls ever shut up with their corny dialogues during sex?
Apr 21, 2020 1:41 AM

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Hentai on MAL is just a tag, defined in the site rules as something containing visible penetration, genitalia, or bodily fluids. It doesn't say it has to be arousing, just show a penis for a second and it's hentai already.

Being an adult used to art-house and European movie makers: occasional display of full frontal nudity including genitalia is not really a rare thing in live action feature movies. Pasolini, von Trier, Fassbinder, Brass, Verhoeven etc. would all receive a hentai tag. So there are two things here: porn, meant for exactly one purpose, and mature films which are either about sexuality or feature it as a story element.

After some selfless experiments, I'd say 98% of all hentai listed on MAL is predominantly porn. My internal metric here is plot-to-sex ratio, and my personal threshold is maybe 25% sex is tolerable when the story really requires it. And I talk about a real story here, not excuse plots using porn logic. Examples failing the criterion closely would include e.g. Bible Black or Words Worth - both are porn with elaborate excuse plots.

I list those hentai in my completed of which I think that story outweighs the fap factor substantially. This would include stuff like A Kite, Mezzoforte, Pure Mail, Belladonna of Sadness, Stairs, Legend of the Overfiend, Rance: The Desert Guardian, The Sensualist, or My Fair Masseuse to name a few. I'm always interested to find new mature movies rated Rx but not porn.

Long story short: Porn needs no plot, but hentai with plot (bad plot qualifies as long as it is no excuse plot) exist. Even when they are fairly rare beasts. That's in line with what "real cinema" would tag "mature movies" and give prizes to on obscure European festivals. All porn is hentai, but not all hentai is porn.

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Apr 21, 2020 1:53 AM
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RazorWireSodomy said:
Bible Black did a great job on that i guess, great plot and the story carries itself in a good way.
Bible Black is one of my top favorite anime series ever, and I saw pretty much every BB title.

But when I tried eroge (I'm usually not in those, or VNs), it seemed like what we have in anime version is only tiny bit of what there was in source material.
Apr 21, 2020 2:45 AM

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Visual novels exist for that, hours and hours of reading text then banging your bae.
I don't think you can sell a plot driven hentai, that's why they make 2 or 6 ovas and call it a day.
Apr 21, 2020 3:02 AM

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Actually those people who hold plot in hentai in high regards deserve to get insulted. Imagine watching porn for plot. No one does that except for meme purposes.
Apr 21, 2020 3:24 AM

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plot in hentai is alright in moderation. hentai without plot is better though.
Apr 21, 2020 3:27 AM

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I would rather more of the budget be spent on well animated sex scenes than on other plot shit.
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Apr 22, 2020 9:16 AM

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First hentai isn't even a real genre name in japan
It's treated like an ova like it's supposed to since ovas don't have to meet any standards anyway since they aren't made for tv and also at best it gets called 18-kin
Because unlike in the west Japan is mostly more open about explicit content in animation
In the west licencing anime companies like adv,central park media and media blasters created the term by looking up any world in japanese that means perverted in Japanese to ovas that do have explicit sex by licencing,uncensoring and even dubbing it as a normal anime from that time (That means mixed results) under an adult label like softcel pictures,anime 18 and kitty media and selling them as porn just not to ruin the name of anime and the company's name in the west even more
Secondly the quality has gone insultingly downhill in terms of storytelling and overall quality like anime in the 2010s and after and it ruined everything
You did get a lot of good ovas that do have sex but also good writing (characters,plot,story and execution) and quality (animation,music,character designs and visuals)
Back then companies like arms,daiei,discovery,pink pineapple and green bunny and others created good even great hentai like
Words worth
Mystery of the necromicon
Urotsukidoji
La blue girl
Crimson climax
Cream lemon
Cool devices
Luv wave
Square of the moon
Black gate
Wet summer days
One true stories
Slave nurses
Sex craft
Oni-tensei
Blood royale
Night shift nurses
Nurse me
Sibling secret
The blackmail
Moonlight lady
Swallowtail inn
Temptation
Demon warrior koji
Alien from the darkness
Masquerade
Spaceship agga ruter
Square of the moon
Kite
Mezzo forte
Romance is in the flash of the sword 2
Words worth
Twin dolls
Twin angels
Inma seiden
Demon beast invasion
Blood shadow
Sex warrior pudding
Jiburiru
Pure mail
Chimera
Rei rei
Beat angel escalayer
Daiakuji
Tokio private police
Bondage queen kate
Hyakki
Virgin night
Virgin touch
Body transfer
Dragon knight
Dragon rider
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Apr 22, 2020 9:22 AM
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very basic plot is enough - like, it would be nice to know why tf there are are suddenly 28 tentacles on screen, but in reality I don't care much about their reason for existing
Apr 22, 2020 11:36 AM

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Nah, too much dialogue between smut bores me to death.

Unless there's a unique premise to it, there's a 99% the plot sucks anyways (heh, sucks)
Apr 22, 2020 1:01 PM
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I’ve only just started watching hentai from start to finish without skipping to the action. It’s actually so much better this way. Some of the plots are better than regular anime. I’m starting to think that hentai might be superior to regular anime. It just does everything that regular anime does and much more on top. And the shows don’t go on for hours on end either.

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Nah. I've seen hentai that is like 80% plot and 20% sex and it's just uncanny. Imagine watching a pretty decent anime only to see a unnecessary, crude sex scene in the middle of it that completely changes your view of the characters. And then suddenly it acts as if that shit never happened and goes back to the plot. It's weird and it doesn't work at all outside of anything that isn't romance based.

The only plot that should belong in hentai tbh is a 1-5 minute context scene at the beginning that sets the episode up imo

And yet most tv shows and movies that are not anime do exactly this.
Apr 22, 2020 1:05 PM

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What kind of question is this... Do you watch porn for... The plot? If the handyman ever fixes the sink? Or what kind of pizza the person ordered?
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Apr 22, 2020 3:21 PM

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Depends I would like more explicit romance stories if that counts. Not every series needs to charge towards the lewd content you can have some good build up. That said others times you are just looking for something hot.
Apr 23, 2020 1:31 AM

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I don't think it should be, but I do think it's cool if it is. I like both plot oriented and not plot oriented hentai, but when I'm jut trying to fap, I'm usually not in the mood to invest myself in the story
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Apr 23, 2020 1:31 AM

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I don't think it should be, but I do think it's cool if it is. I like both plot oriented and not plot oriented hentai, but when I'm jut trying to fap, I'm usually not in the mood to invest myself in the story
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Apr 23, 2020 12:50 PM

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Of course. What's the point of watching porn if not for the oscar worthy plot and acting?
Apr 23, 2020 1:01 PM
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It all comes down to the fetish(es).
Apr 23, 2020 4:27 PM

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Under no circumstances. If they have money for a writer, hire two more animators instead or use the money to bribe the censorship officials.

When 'hentai' is plot oriented, it's not hentai anymore. It's not porn if there is something more important than the sex, than providing fap fuel for the viewer - it's that simple. MAL just tags some shit as hentai for no reason except to fuck with me. There's no way Kanashimi no Belladonna is porn, it aired in fucking theaters ffs, but for some reason nudity and sex scenes have to be porn and nothing else so that arthouse movie from the early 70s is somehow categorized as porn, as fap material on MAL. That's why the tag system is a joke.
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Apr 23, 2020 4:53 PM
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nah make hentai have no plot at all and uncensored then i will watch more
Apr 27, 2020 2:59 AM
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If it's made to be spank material, either keep the plot to a minimum or don't even have a plot.

If you're going to write a plot for your spank material, actually put the bare minimum effort in. I can't tell you how many hentai I've seen where they wanted to have plot, and it ended up being the worst shit I've seen. All it did was make me have to either skip around multiple episodes, or put the extra effort in to seek out a compilation video that someone had to make that cuts out at the non-hentai part of the hentai, which ends up being 50% of the hentai anway.
Apr 27, 2020 3:21 AM

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The Fate series is hentai; started as an erotic VN. Sex was an integral part of the plot. One qualm I always had with the series was how they removed the sex element to cater to a broader audience. That's kinda why you rarely find any good hentai plots, because they get stolen.

So yes, I'd say hentai should and can be plot-orientated.
Apr 29, 2020 5:05 PM
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If hentai is plot heavy then I drop it immediately. Why the fuck would I watch/read porn for a story? I want to see sex, not a story.

Phraze said:
The Fate series is hentai; started as an erotic VN. Sex was an integral part of the plot. One qualm I always had with the series was how they removed the sex element to cater to a broader audience. That's kinda why you rarely find any good hentai plots, because they get stolen.

So yes, I'd say hentai should and can be plot-orientated.


I could never fap to Fate because it is like 2% hentai, 98% plot. Why should hentai be like that? It defeats the entire purpose. It'd be like throwing in a porn scene in Star Wars.

Shitty opinions in anime communities are off the wall, let me tell you. "I watch hentai for the plot" oh get fucked. This is why I can't go onto a hentai manga site without seeing everyone bitching in the comments about the bad plot. But the sex scenes were damn good. That's the entire purpose of hentai, not story.
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I think you should have like maybe 1/3rds plot/setup and 2/3rds fucking.
Apr 29, 2020 5:37 PM
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If we got rid of plot in hentai we wouldn't have gotten Mezzo Forte, or that silly shit about some guy pretending to be a bicycle fairy that me and my buddies would laugh at back like a decade ago
Apr 29, 2020 5:37 PM

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How much plot does one get out of one minute of watch time?
Apr 29, 2020 7:58 PM

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I usually go with doujin over hentai, and the former sometimes can have a good story. So for me, I think it'd at least gain my attention more. Like, you don't need an overall plot and a short story worth of dialogue, sometimes just a real cute vanilla romance scene is good enough.

Then again, we all know that hentai can go down many of those dark paths, but I think people would still appreciate at least a little bit of writing... but people still like it either way, so eh.
"You know you've reached peak quality when a doujin is better than the actual source series." (Eg. To LOVE-Ru)

Just to list a couple of biases.
Likes: A good story, characters, writing, romance, a good plot twist or something that breaks expectations (In a good way), 'backstory' and justice.
Dislikes: Bad romance, too much fanservice, the harem genre, yuri, yaoi, and bad writing.

Apr 30, 2020 3:56 AM

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If hentai is plot heavy then I drop it immediately. Why the fuck would I watch/read porn for a story? I want to see sex, not a story.

Phraze said:
The Fate series is hentai; started as an erotic VN. Sex was an integral part of the plot. One qualm I always had with the series was how they removed the sex element to cater to a broader audience. That's kinda why you rarely find any good hentai plots, because they get stolen.

So yes, I'd say hentai should and can be plot-orientated.


I could never fap to Fate because it is like 2% hentai, 98% plot. Why should hentai be like that? It defeats the entire purpose. It'd be like throwing in a porn scene in Star Wars.

Shitty opinions in anime communities are off the wall, let me tell you. "I watch hentai for the plot" oh get fucked. This is why I can't go onto a hentai manga site without seeing everyone bitching in the comments about the bad plot. But the sex scenes were damn good. That's the entire purpose of hentai, not story.

I understand where you're coming from, but plot can help someone get in the mood; the use of plot isn't limited to drama. Even porn fiction utilizes good plot and/or setting.
Also disagree that Fate was only plot with sex thrown in, because it was crafted specifically for an erotic visual novel, and masterfully I'd say. Granted, it was drafted before it was used for a VN (if I recall correctly).
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If I'm choosing to watch hentai over an ecchi harem, then I want to see both.

Exceptions happen, but that's usually how it goes.
Apr 30, 2020 4:14 AM

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I didn't know people watch those for the plot.
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Apr 30, 2020 7:38 AM

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I'm not experienced with hentai, however it rarely ever excites me. Awful animation, ugly character designs, mostly censored. If it's just about porn I tend to get bored with it and just dop it. Manga in this regard is better. It usually has high quality artwork and easier to find the adult (uncensored) version.
Apr 30, 2020 8:03 AM

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No I want it to be animated decently. Is that so hard to ask?

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