| So I just finished watching the anime movie Tokyo Godfathers and it made me cry. I'm not gonna lie, it made me feel compassion for the homeless for the first time. Here's why: I live in Germany. Here, we have a policy that everyone who has no job and no money is still entitled to an apartment, monthly survival money and the opportunity to find work. So all the homeless you find here are either scams or drug addicts who lack the ability to care enough. But what about other countries? Homelessness, is it always the person's fault, or is it sometimes the government's/society's fault? I came to feel sympathy even for the drunk homeless people hanging out in shopping malls. It's warm there, many people pass by, and when you're homeless, have no friends, no family supportive of you, no cute cat by your side, then I guess what makes it bearable would be alcohol... I'm just curious about what you guys think about this issue. Are there a lot of homeless people in your town/city? How do you view them, and how do you treat them when they ask you for a penny? |
IlluminatliSep 10, 2019 10:31 AM
If life ain't just a joke Then why are we laughing? If life ain't just a joke Then why am I dead? |
| "Here, we have a policy that everyone who has no job and no money is still entitled to an apartment, monthly survival money and the opportunity to find work." Wait what? I'm gonna need to move there |
| It's a shame that many other countries don't have that support system. In all too many areas of the world, you're left to rot if you don't have money. And this is a serious crime against humanity, in my opinion, because a small group of ultra-wealthy individuals are allowed to hoard most of the financial resources, even while millions barely have enough to survive or have a home. There's no excuse for this when a significant portion of human suffering could be prevented with those resources. Surely the enlightened people of the future will view us as nothing more than savage animals. |
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SadMadoka said: It's a shame that many other countries don't have that support system. In all too many areas of the world, you're left to rot if you don't have money. And this is a serious crime against humanity, in my opinion, because a small group of ultra-wealthy individuals are allowed to hoard most of the financial resources, even while millions barely have enough to survive or have a home. There's no excuse for this when a significant portion of human suffering could be prevented with those resources. Surely the enlightened people of the future will view us as nothing more than savage animals. I totally agree with you. Homelessness in this day and age shouldn't even be an issue! |
If life ain't just a joke Then why are we laughing? If life ain't just a joke Then why am I dead? |
Illuminatli said: I totally agree with you. Homelessness in this day and age shouldn't even be an issue! I just remembered a great video of my favorite comedian George Carlin. He touches upon the topic in an interesting way. |
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This is pretty much what happened to me at one point. |
 サディスティックな考え "JUST KILL ME." サディスティックマインド |
| Homelessness is a huge issue in my country. You can't drive through any major city in South Africa without seeing someone covered in either a wet piece of cardboard or a dirty blanket sleeping on the side of the road. Part of it has to do with the legacy of apartheid, as well as poor service delivery. I have a lot of empathy for the homeless, especially since I've become acquainted with a few of them and have heard a number of their stories, quite a few of which are honestly devastating. I also try to help out wherever and whenever I can. |
Take care of yourself |
| Depends on the type of homelessness. If you got caught up in debt, lost your home, got thrown out of your house, fell into a deep depression, etc. The government should lend you a helping hand with a place to live and food vouchers until you can get back on your feet with steady employment. For everyone else, free programs to help you with your drug addiction should be there for those that WANT help. A lot of homeless people don't want help. Google search Slab City for some interesting homeless / drifter business. |
| there's a bunch of homeless people around but it's usually their fault i think in today's day and age at least in the west you only become homeless if you're extremely lazy or just broken and depressed and don't want to live but aren't a man enough to do it I've also had this "fear" or thought that i'll become homeless for many, many years, despite my family owning multiple houses and lands. All the stuff they own is occupied and i didn't get along with my family before so they wanted me gone but at the same time i was too broken to do real life at the time so i thought if im forced out that i'll be homeless. anyway few years passed and my relationship with my family isn't as bad as before but at the same time my fear of homelessness isn't as bad as before either. I think maybe it's good to reach absolute rock bottom as a last stand and a push for yourself which can then sling-shot you into fixing your life. In the past few months i met a bunch of people that were homeless at some point in the past but are now middle class+ with more than enough money for day-to-day life while in my case i'm still stuck so in some twisted sense maybe becoming homeless on purpose is a good shot at fixing depression but it's a risk so its not guaranteed (obviously), you just have to freeze your ass off and to be hungry as hell for a week or two and then you might get enough motivation to turn your life around and the only reason im not doing it yet is cus there's risk to it and cus its not exactly rational so to answer the question - no , it's not government or society's fault.. (but here it gets tricky) a lot of people are depressed cus of the current way of life which is dictated by government and society so in an indirect way then perhaps its government/society's fault after all, lol the whole women empowerment movement and white male degradation that's happening (and is allowed to happen) in the west is extremely encumbering (mentally) to white males and if you're treated like this from a young age and are constantly being told how bad you are and are constantly being unwanted for anything other than what you could potentially provide if you worked your ass off does take its toll on people and it can be a driving factor to making someone a NEET who doesn't leave the house until potential homelessness, altho we're still more or less young so most of the homeless ppl pre-date the current internet generation |
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| There are different kinds of causes of homelessness. Mental illness is one big one. Drug addiction is another because their habbit takes away from food and rent. Then there are people who were kicked out of their home or they had left on their own to escape the undesired situations at home. Some had just got out of prison and had lost their home from their time in there and have trouble getting a job because they arent being hired due to criminal record. There is a tiny percentage of homeless that actually chooses to be homeless because they like the freedom and majority of those only stick with it a few months because they do this by traveling around. Some people commit small crimes just to get thrown in prison or jail so they have a place to stay. I sometimes give them money but I don't always have anything. I'm not too good at socializing with random people so I don't really get into a conversation with them. In the US people actually get arrested in some cities for giving food to homeless people. |
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| Despite the MASSIVE misconception, here in America we basically have the exact same policy. We offer food, shelter, and other important services to anybody who needs it. When you see people who are homeless, it's for one of two reasons. The first reason is that they have a serious mental illness (for example schizophrenia) causing them to choose to live on the streets (or were kicked out of their shelter because their mental illness prevented them from being able to live with all those other people without causing trouble). Their homelessness is completely out of their control and in no way their fault and for us to just leave people out on the street like that not providing them the care they need, it's seriously fucked up (sometimes they even end up in prison where it ends up being even worse for them). To my knowledge we used to have government run facilities to help people like this, but JFK made the monumentally stupid decision to shut them down because he had like a cousin or sister that was forced to stay in one (so JFK had a personal vendetta against them). The second reason is that they're choosing to be homeless because to stay at one of those shelters and use their services would require them to have to give up drugs/alcohol. In which case that is absolutely their fault. You can make the argument that this shouldn't be a requirement, but these shelters are supposed to help these people integrate back into society covering all their living expenses until they can get back on their feet, and if you still plan on blowing all your money on drugs/alcohol clearly you're intentionally taking advantage of the good will of the taxpayer and have no intention of making the change you need to make to integrate back into society. I'm not without sympathy as I do understand they're afflicted with addiction, but they are still their own reason for being homeless. Although I'm sure there has to be a better solution then just letting them rot on the street suffering as well as causing inconvenience for everybody else. Generally those are the two main reasons we still have homeless people. I mean sometimes there are shitty homeless shelters that fuck over the people basically forcing them into homelessness, and sometimes there are just shitty people who can make a lot of money panhandling (saw someone document themselves making over a $1000 a week in NYC doing it going homeless); but generally outlier cases like these are rare. So my thoughts anytime I see a homeless person is that it's a sad sight. But if I end up having a conversation that can end up changing to it's sad because this is a mentally ill person not getting the help they need or it can end up changing to it's sad because this person is throwing away their life for drugs/alcohol. Either way it's unfortunate. |
KyotosomoSep 11, 2019 10:22 PM
| Gotta love countries where missing a single paycheck results in homelessness or worse. People probably don't realize that just the thought of it dramatically increases your stress levels. There are almost no rational reasons for the average lower/mid class citizen to support such system. Yet people keep voting for their own slavers. Such societies inevitably end up with a segregated rotten elite ruling over a hateful mass filled with crime and poverty while the gap between the two is constantly increasing. Homeless people are simply harbingers of a much larger upcoming catastrophe. It is also absurd to put the blame entirely on the citizens by calling them lazy and so on. Sometimes people can't afford a house even if they have a solid income in countries with a decent economy because buying or renting property is extremely overpriced. London, New York, Hong Kong and Taipei are some of the prime examples I can think of. Japan is also slowly starting to have this problem despite the number of homeless people still being very low. There's no need to go in detail about California as most of us are aware of what's happening there. Some people are just delusional I suppose. |
149597871Sep 11, 2019 11:02 PM
| I know alot of ppl who choose 2 b homeless weird flex but ok |
| Very odd you make this now, in a coincidental way. Switched jobs, now I work with placing homeless in my county into homes, cause of me experience. Mostly it's just elderly people with fixed incomes who can't afford rising rents. So many of the renters say no cause their homeless status. Frustrating cause these are old people in their late 60s or 70s w/ no relatives that worked most their lives and what they get in retirement (mostly public workers--so switching back to private sector after this job if you get my meaning). The attitude in Los Angeles county is if you're homeless--you dont deserve to be in a home after. So odd and frustrating all at once. |
| "In the end the World really doesn't need a Superman. Just a Brave one" |
| What about the homeless who give to homlesses? |
| i explain the therapy seated on the gold chest |
| Idea of homelessness isn't something I'm against. But at least in my area (northeast europe) there are a lot of really disgusting homeless people who are seemingly always drunk and stink of booze, piss and trash. They sometimes get into the bus (without ticket...) and it's very unpleasant to ride on same one as them. They became homeless most likely because they started being degenerates in prior and so lost home, families and respect. On theoretical level though, it's real freedom to be homeless because you are not responsible for anything then. But it's not something to do in northern countries because winters kill, literally. Every winter I hear on news of homeless people having died of cold weather. But (sorry I'm gonna be blunt) it's a good riddance because they died as human anyway and were pretty much zombies with their brain barely functional due to binge drinking for decades. Never heard of normal people here being homeless, somehow folks find warmer places to be than outside. It's socially unacceptable to be homeless because as mentioned homeless here are something you don't want to be in same category with. But I've watched documentary on homeless of Tokyo on youtube and apparently they are pretty much normal people who, given opportunity, would return to society of normal people. I respect them for not losing humanity and trying to at least keep their carton boxes tidy and still doing their homeless people stuff like collecting cans to make some little money. If I was dirty rich I'd give them a place to live and work at. Surely they could be making something or doing other useful job for at least minimal wage that one can live off. |
| There are a lot of homeless people in my city, but most of them are mentally ill and use any money given to them to buy beer and drugs instead of food. I never give them money anymore because I don't want it wasted on bad habits. |
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| ive never been homeless but i feel ever closer every day. i see a homeless persom, i avoid eye contact because naturally im a human being with my own problems. if i could end homelessness, i would, but i cant, and i hope everyone understands. i may not be a saint but my heart bleeds the same. |
Usagi said: There are a lot of homeless people in my city, but most of them are mentally ill and use any money given to them to buy beer and drugs instead of food. I never give them money anymore because I don't want it wasted on bad habits. How do you know what they use it on? Do you follow them all day? |
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traed said: Usagi said: There are a lot of homeless people in my city, but most of them are mentally ill and use any money given to them to buy beer and drugs instead of food. I never give them money anymore because I don't want it wasted on bad habits. How do you know what they use it on? Do you follow them all day? When they smell strongly of cheap beer and have cans/bottles scattered all around them, it's kind of obvious where the money goes. They don't hide it very well. A few of them will even outright tell you they want it for beer. |
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| call me crazy but i really think food and shelter should be basic human rights. i don't really care about WHY someone is homeless- they shouldn't be there in the first place. I don't care if they're an addict, I don't care if they have mental health issues. no one DESERVES to suffer on the streets and no one should have to choose between rent or a meal. i've worked at shelters, and its just fucking sad. show some compassion for your fellow humans, yeah? |
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Usagi said: When they smell strongly of cheap beer and have cans/bottles scattered all around them, it's kind of obvious where the money goes. They don't hide it very well. A few of them will even outright tell you they want it for beer. It's a coping method to deal with being homeless. |
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Illuminatli said: These systems nominally existed in the Netherlands as well but they're bullshit and kept so complicated — suspiciously by design — that no homeless man stands ever the chance of understanding them and meeting the qualifications to get the assistance without a home and a computer to research them.I live in Germany. Here, we have a policy that everyone who has no job and no money is still entitled to an apartment, monthly survival money and the opportunity to find work. So all the homeless you find here are either scams or drug addicts who lack the ability to care enough. History shan't be one to cast a favorable light onto how the homeless man is currently treated; these systems exist by sham to be able to say that "homelessness is a choice" — what man would truly choose that have he such a choice? The homeless man knows not even whom to speak to to obtain this assistance, yet alone figure it out and they contain all kinds of conditions and "if"s and "but"s ere one can qualify for them that the politician can claim "homelessness is a choice" without valuable money actually having to go towards the homeless. On top of that, many homeless of course suffer from psychiatric issues that make it considerably more difficult for them; and suddenly then the psychiatrist is not as trigger happy as he normally is to invoke "involuntary commitment", as now it would cost too much money, for the homeless man seldom is insured. |
 It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
traed said: Usagi said: When they smell strongly of cheap beer and have cans/bottles scattered all around them, it's kind of obvious where the money goes. They don't hide it very well. A few of them will even outright tell you they want it for beer. It's a coping method to deal with being homeless. Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that my money would be spent on that. I don't make enough to give away to people who want to spend it on things like alcohol. |
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impfunny said: There are many things that are supposedly "human rights" that are only human rights for those humans who are lucid enough to obtain them — it's an easy way to work around the process by simply making the process complicated enough that a significant quantity lack the lucidity to obtain it.call me crazy but i really think food and shelter should be basic human rights. i don't really care about WHY someone is homeless- they shouldn't be there in the first place. I don't care if they're an addict, I don't care if they have mental health issues. no one DESERVES to suffer on the streets and no one should have to choose between rent or a meal. i've worked at shelters, and its just fucking sad. show some compassion for your fellow humans, yeah? |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
on serious side, i believe homelessness is the person's fault. in my country (Indonesia), particularly in Riau Province, the price to rent a room is quite cheap here. the lowest price for the 3x4 room is around Rp.300.000/month including electricity and water service, some even provide a wifi service with additional fee Rp.20.000/month. and with two people, it will only cost net Rp.200.000/month. so it's cheap enough if someone want to have a roof above his head. they just have to know where to look. |
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Usagi said: Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that my money would be spent on that. I don't make enough to give away to people who want to spend it on things like alcohol. Some people give food away instead of money to avoid that or offer to buy something for them. |
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| My hometown always had a little bit of a homeless population but now the numbers have doubled with people from Italy, Romania and other countries arriving. Technically, they are not homeless since they have a place to stay and receive money, but they live the 'bum life style': wasting time in parks, drinking booze all day long, giving passerbys the evil stare etc.. There are also 'real' homeless people who do not want to depend on state care and get by collecting returnable bottles. Ever since I started working part-time jobs (15/16 y/o) my pity has mostly vanished. People working 1-2 jobs and who still depend on food banks are the ones I pity. |
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Seygneur said: My hometown always had a little bit of a homeless population but now the numbers have doubled with people from Italy, Romania and other countries arriving. Technically, they are not homeless since they have a place to stay and receive money, but they live the 'bum life style': wasting time in parks, drinking booze all day long, giving passerbys the evil stare etc.. There are also 'real' homeless people who do not want to depend on state care and get by collecting returnable bottles. Ever since I started working part-time jobs (15/16 y/o) my pity has mostly vanished. People working 1-2 jobs and who still depend on food banks are the ones I pity. Pretty much this. Not all homeless people are equal. Some of them absolutely should have the government step in to give them a hand. But many others should be ""disposed"" of. |
You know what? I am not sorry, I mean, okay, I do kinda regret what I did to your forehead. I was trying to be nice but you are the one that started throwing elbows into my sides mid stroke. You was asking for it. I was stressed out from getting kicked out of Taco Bell earlier. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/13/woman-takes-homeless-taco-bell-kicked-out/2309230001/ |
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| Don't troll/abuse/bully those homeless is good enough, let the good samaritans do the rest.. |
traed said: Usagi said: Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that my money would be spent on that. I don't make enough to give away to people who want to spend it on things like alcohol. Some people give food away instead of money to avoid that or offer to buy something for them. I guess if you bring food with you that's a possibility, but I never bring food with me even for myself. |
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Illuminatli said: I live in Germany. Here, we have a policy that everyone who has no job and no money is still entitled to an apartment, monthly survival money and the opportunity to find work. --> THEORETICALLY. I live in Germany, too, more exactly in Berlin, where the housing shortage is a major public headache. Having the right to an apartment on paper does little good if there are not enough apartments. (And no, expropriation of real estate companies, as is often suggested by left-wing extremists, will make this problem a million times worse. What would help IMO is removing all the bureaucratic obstacles which hold back construction of new apartment complexes.) People become homeless for a lot of reasons: a violent partner may have kicked them out, their home may have been destroyed by a gas explosion, the rent may have risen to unreasonable sums, the company may have driven out the tenants because it wants to renovate the house and put in luxury apartments... And then there are psychological problems, drug addiction, alcoholism, etc. I have worked with Homeless Help for one and a half years, bringing food, clothing and hygiene articles to the homeless. In my experience, there are two main groups: Those who are very polite and thankful, and those who see us as a "grab what you can" opportunity. While some homeless are overjoyed about us helping them, others tend to insult us and each other, and grab goods without consideration of others. I don't really care whether people are homeless or not, or, if so, why they are homeless -- but I prefer them being polite. BTW I think a number of anime characters are, strictly speaking, homeless. Matoi Ryuko, before the Mankanshoku family takes her in. The three main characters in Samurai Champloo (they are also permanently low on money and hungry). Heck, the protagonists of the Pokemon anime seem to be constantly out and about, without a steady home -- and they are children! |
So all the homeless you find here are either scams or drug addicts who lack the ability to care enough. Sounds like the homeless here too hahah but maybe not... Homelessness is a huge problem and at the end of the day it's just a human issue. It's NOT to be ignored yes it's worth yelling about hahahah. A SERIOUS PROBLEM |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| i think its sad. & society doesn't really care either. messed up world bro |
| Economic homelessness (at least in the developed world) is shameful for the society it exists in. Any society which has enough resources to give everyone a roof over their head must do so, no matter how bad they are at economic activity. I don't give any money to the homeless, but that's purely a matter of prioritisation. An extra pound spent fighting schistosomiasis or malaria will do more good than an extra pound in the hands of a homeless person. |
| Well if you live in a big country, it's probably a common sight? I hope nobody has to go through this level of difficulty in life. First thought would be that they are a drug addict if not physically disabled. Recently like two months ago there was a suicide which is like super rare if not unheard of. The person was unfortunately a disabled person. |
| used to care about homeless ppl, but nowadays idgaf since ive grown dissconncted from the world |
| Tbh i think homeless people just need to get a house |
TanatlocSep 23, 2019 2:41 PM
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| I looked at the title and knew right away that there would be some sociopath dipshits posting in here claiming that homelessness and poverty is a choice and a personal failure on the homeless persons part. Yeah let's not look into how wages are stagnant while the cost of living has skyrocketed, anyone younger than 50 is locked out of the housing market due to absurdly high prices, landlords being complete parasites and hoarding money for doing nothing while arbitrarily raising rent on tenants. Let's not look into thousands of people every day declaring bankruptcy due to medical debt and the general horrid conditions of healthcare in the US and how it fails people every single day. If you can't even understand poverty and how more often than not, people wind up in those situations due to events that were out of their control. Then I don't know what to tell you, other than that you have zero empathy or awareness for anything or anyone other than yourself. |
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| We have a bunch of sucky ones in Hungary, but we also have our fair share of actual decent people who had no control over their livelihood and ended up on the streets due to unfortunate circumstances. Most of them deserve better, but seeing how even renting a place (especially alone) is essentially a herculean task here nowadays, they have little to no chance to help themselves. Our government's solution to this was basically chasing homeless people out of Budapest with the assistance of our police forces, this didn't really work out but it's fair to say that our state gives no shits about homelessness. And it still baffles me how most people tell these guys to "just get a job", yeah right, how would they do that? They have no proper clothes for a job interview, no opportunity to even take a shower, no access to a computer since when you can't even afford food, you probably can't afford to enter an internet café, so looking for jobs online is out of the question. It's a vicious cycle here, you can't get a job that pays enough to keep up with the ridonkulous bills or rent here, you lose your home and now you can't even get a job because employing a homeless person is bad for business according to most people. Just imagine yourself in a situation that's even remotely as bad as having to live on the streets with no food and no financial support from the state, with policemen harassing you if they find you sitting around somewhere, then cast your judgement. Not to say that there aren't genuine bad people who are homeless, but most people here don't deserve this kind of fate. |
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