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Jul 7, 2019 4:54 PM
#101
While on having fun looking at the plot craters of Dr. Stone using actual science, I wonder why nobody has yet dealt with the elephant in the room: energy and thermodynamics. Let's ignore the fact that the chemistry of the human body depends on mobile molecules, e.g. energy transporters like ATP. Let's assume the stone magically creates some alternative energy transport. Let's further assume a stoned body doesn't require any energy to maintain. One thing, however, does definitely require energy: thinking. And while the human brain only makes up for 2% of the body mass, it consumes 20% of the energy - in idle state. If you think hard, you use more. Let's assume a teenager with resting metabolic rate would need 1300 kcal/day to stay alive, which is very conservative. 1300 kcal over 24 hours is 54.16 kcal per hour, which is 15.04 gram calories per second. This equals 62.93 joules/second, which is ~63 watts. 20% of that is used by the brain, which is active in the stoners, and that's 12.6 watts. One teenager uses 12.6 watts over a period of 3700 years = 3700*365.25 days = 1,351,425 days, which means he requires 1351425*12.6 W = 17,027,955 Watt days = 172323 kilowatt hours over that time period. That's the energy equivalent of about 1.5 tons of TNT, where one kilogram of TNT is good enough to obliterate a small vehicle. If all 7 billion humans are stoned and thinking, we get into the range of a small nuclear bomb's equivalent energy. It's ... magic! |
inimJul 7, 2019 5:11 PM
Jul 7, 2019 5:05 PM
#102
inim said: DeathProfessor said: Dammit, now this discussion spreads to here as well. Damn the torpedoes, but: Pyrolysis of plastic into kerosin and diesel is a chemically well understood process, but nowhere near established. You basically need a reactor with several 100C long-term constant temperature, oxygen free athmosphere of a defined pressure, a catalyst (which may be as simple as active coal, but it depends). You also need to take a lot of care to not produce toxines such as dioxin in the process, which happens easily when temperature is wrong or too much halogen plastics (e.g. PVC) are in your mix. You also need a working system to get rid of the toxic waste and fumes. And the biggest problem: you want a positive energy balance, the key to economic feasbility.Creating fuel from plastic is an established chemical process, its nothing as something Nobel prize worthy. While university and industrial research level prototype reactors exist, nobody so far managed find a robust combination for all the lose ends and parameters which would allow large scale, economically feasible processing. The energy balance is the worst problem, it's indeed a process engineer's nightmare - and far from being solved at scale. That said: I still doubt that the Dr. Stone MC using only ressources and funds accessible to a highschool, or even a mediocre university, can produce liquid fuel in a substantial amount from PET bottles. The chemistry isn't his problem, the process engineering and the reactor parameters are. Yeah, I stand corrected 'established' was a wrong word to use there. Well at-least the writer didn't choose water made as an alternative for fuel as one of the achievements of the MC. The following line of your's summarizes it. you want a positive energy balance, the key to economic feasibility. I am just too tilted by Dr. stone, not a like-able character, just plain pretentious. I still don't know how it is getting 8.3 as rating. I guess its too early and may be the likes are from manga readers, but for me that first episode wasn't anything above 5. |
Jul 7, 2019 5:11 PM
#103
DeathProfessor said: inim said: DeathProfessor said: Creating fuel from plastic is an established chemical process, its nothing as something Nobel prize worthy. While university and industrial research level prototype reactors exist, nobody so far managed find a robust combination for all the lose ends and parameters which would allow large scale, economically feasible processing. The energy balance is the worst problem, it's indeed a process engineer's nightmare - and far from being solved at scale. That said: I still doubt that the Dr. Stone MC using only ressources and funds accessible to a highschool, or even a mediocre university, can produce liquid fuel in a substantial amount from PET bottles. The chemistry isn't his problem, the process engineering and the reactor parameters are. Yeah, I stand corrected 'established' was a wrong word to use there. Well at-least the writer didn't choose water made as an alternative for fuel as one of the achievements of the MC. The following line of your's summarizes it. you want a positive energy balance, the key to economic feasibility. I am just too tilted by Dr. stone, not a like-able character, just plain pretentious. I still don't know how it is getting 8.3 as rating. I guess its too early and may be the likes are from manga readers, but for me that first episode wasn't anything above 5. Stop caring so much about the ratings/score. Its pointless to get so worked up about it. If people wanna give it a high score then they'll give it that score. That's it. God this entire thread is just pedantic. |
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Jul 7, 2019 5:19 PM
#104
Slimcoder said: Na, it is scientific. The point simply is that a global stoning creates plot holes equivalent of 7 billion truck-kuns isekai-ing the world's population simultaneously.God this entire thread is just pedantic. I really hope the experimental archaeology and anthropology they want to focus on in much of the show is worth this hilarious, laws of nature defying bullshit premise. |
Jul 7, 2019 5:24 PM
#105
inim said: Slimcoder said: Na, it is scientific. The point simply is that a global stoning creates plot holes equivalent of 7 billion truck-kuns isekai-ing the world's population simultaneously.God this entire thread is just pedantic. I really hope the experimental archaeology and anthropology they want to focus on in much of the show is worth this hilarious, laws of nature defying bullshit premise. So pedantic basically. I mean I get it, no skin off my bones especially if ya wanna make inane isekai comparisons. |
SlimcoderJul 7, 2019 5:39 PM
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Jul 7, 2019 6:37 PM
#106
inim said: Sebastian333 said: Well, "just an anime" is a pretty universal and by this pretty usless argument. You could just use the same approach to defend the plot of Hametsu no Mars or any other bad anime.with that thinking of yours, I will also have problem witth the show, why the f*** did Taiju cloths suddenly clean after soaked with grapes juices for instance. But meh, this kind of mentality will degrade the enjoyment for the show. Just let loose dude, you are thinking too much, nough say' this is JUST AN ANIME. I'm sorry to repeat myself this argument was used already in another thread, but it is useful to understand the nature of what makes me uncomfortable with this particular anime's approach to science and logic. Everybody's favorite loli-ecchi No Game No Life without any doubt takes place in a fantastic isekai world with a lot of very "unrealistic" plot and magic everywhere. Yet, when they talk about the math of game theory, and they do that often, they get their shit right. You do not see the actual formulas, but be assured that NGNL does not use science babble, but actual math. This is the sort of dilligence and respect for the science (math in NGNL's case, chemistry in Dr. Stone) I am missing in Dr. Stone. NGNL in that sense is in-world consistent, whereas Dr. Stone just uses cringy science babble to sound cool and while pretending to play in the real world, with real phsycis and natural laws, gives a fuck for them. And that makes all the difference for somebody with a science background. If it is magic, don't call it science. I can just not enjoy a show which constantly insults my intelligence with handwaving bullshit. Your mileage may differ. I know what you mean, I had a nerd friend that is overly "dramatical-lore officer" and cant enjoy a simple lore due to this...."problematic" thinking.... Nevertheless, if you don't mind, try to be lenient and more acceptance for the sake of enjoyment, otherwise, I shall respect your view should you find it unable to do the simple thing by simple thinking because,,, well its your character right. Its all come down to whether one allow or not the story how its being presented. |
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Jul 7, 2019 7:19 PM
#107
Gloomy-eyes said: idk, what did Cap do when he woke up after being frozen for years again? Hell yeah.. hospital dude.. to recover lot of his body function. do you even watch the scene? Did he directly walk out from the ice? No, he revived in a condition so weak.. his mental condition his body condition, he even barely have any conciusness at all.. This.. is superhero themed movie tho.. but even that they try to keep everything believable and consistent for the world they build |
Jul 7, 2019 8:02 PM
#108
Doodoo_Man said: Dunno why but I really did expect more from your argument, something like:”The injection maintained his physical strength”, but hospital? Lol, the issue here is that body function remained after immobility, including lying obv(not to mention could the injection gain the underwater breath ability?). About mental condition, who cares? That is superhero movie, this is a shounen anime. Where’s the difference?Gloomy-eyes said: idk, what did Cap do when he woke up after being frozen for years again? Hell yeah.. hospital dude.. to recover lot of his body function. do you even watch the scene? Did he directly walk out from the ice? No, he revived in a condition so weak.. his mental condition his body condition, he even barely have any conciusness at all.. This.. is superhero themed movie tho.. but even that they try to keep everything believable and consistent for the world they build |
Jul 7, 2019 8:52 PM
#109
DeathProfessor said: him creating plastic fuel, is an intelligent feat, and him making the hut by himself despite never doing it before, the person in the video is of different background and training.Black_Sheep97 said: DeathProfessor said: Black_Sheep97 said: DeathProfessor said: the genius was him supposedly creating fuel from plastic, which someone from the comments takes great issue with. Also his feat of maintaining his sanity by simply counting and keeping track of seconds accurately is an incredible feat. Also him identifying mushrooms and a way to free people is a sigh of his intelligence, with regards to the to rocks I have no idea how they were able to maintain their conciouse and be alive, that's something that the series has yet to go into and explain. And them maintaining their sanity the doctor guy is understandable, that feat builds him up as being exceptional, the other dude is too show how he is exceptional in his own way, which is his pure heart and single simple mind.Black_Sheep97 said: DeathProfessor said: 1. The only thing active was their conciouse , everything else was inactive as to why that's the case lord knows, that's one of the mysteries of the anime. this isn't an inconsistency yet.Just made an account after watching the ratings of the show. After watching the first episode, it definitely doesn't deserve 8.37 (with 10k+ users), should be at most 6. Personally, I would rate it 1, so that people like me balance/average out the rating to be around 5 to 6. 1) Both of them break the stones, but how were they alive till that point? The whole outer shell is made of stone. They haven't been eating, they haven't been breathing, how is their brain functioning(one is counting numbers, other is thinking about his gf)? 2) Then we see some animals effected by the event while others not. Why are monkeys/wolves/dogs/bats unaffected by the phenomenon while some birds which aren't mammals get effected same as humans? 3) Characters are way too annoying for my taste. Maybe I am just old, but I just couldn't bare to watch, only managed to complete the first episode thinking that maybe it would make sense in the last minute. Dr. with the quirky smile after each dialogue and wearing a printed shirt E=mc^2 doesn't make someone genius, his actions/dialogues have to be written in a way to make him seem like a genius. The guy makes a hut and presents it as, he is some kind of genius. I can link a youtube video of guy making an under ground covered swimming pool with just a wooden stick(not even a shovel but a literal sharpened wooden stick), it's called survival skills. The genius says "if only I had alcohol", like he has been out of stone for 6 months and he had 0 clue how to make alcohol, till his friend. I have read some comments trying to defend this bs by 'well it's fictions so'. These are the same people that tried to defend season 8 of GoT. You have to make the viewer believe in your story/world, every other anime which has earned the rating of 8+ does that. One punch did it, Attack on Titan did it, Code Geass did it, Death note did it, Full metal alchemist did it, One piece did it, naruto did it, bleach did it (excluding all the fillers in all of these of-course), examples are endless. The premise of the show is science, this isn't an action anime, it has an emphasis on SCIENCE with the genius Dr. character in the middle, of-course it has to make sense. When Walter white(Breaking Bad) threw mercury fulminate on the ground it made sense because SCIENCE, of-course that amount c=wouldn't blow that much, but still it was made believable. This shit show on the other hand doesn't make a bit of sense. May be it is aimed for the kids under the age of 10 and I am probably too old for it. In my defense I have watched plenty of anime from all genre like GTO, FLCL, Overlord, ReZero, No game no life, Trigun, fist of northstar, DB, Elfen Lied, Ergo Proxy, Tokyo Ghoul and 100's more but never did I watch such an over overrated BS. Definitely doesn't deserve 8.3 2. This is probably an inconsistency, but only birds were frozen who other animals were still active. The guy wearing the e = mc2 thing bothers you is just a nitpick, intelligent people on average are no different than regular people in terms of how they talk,it's what they do that separates and him counting tim and maintaining his sanity is a remarkable feat of mental effeciency. It's funny you bring up breaking bad cause the Mercury scene is implausible from a realistic scientific angle and so is alot of the other "science" in the show. I guess you missed the point about the breaking bad comment. This was to describe how to sell fiction, that particular scene was carried out after establishing the main character WW, but here we are to assume the Dr character is genius from the start without any character build up. To be made believable, is the point. Everyone knows majority of the shows/animes are based on fiction, but its the job of the show to make it look realistic. I don't have a problem with him wearing E=mc^2 shirt, he can wear whatever the f he wants, what I have problem is his actions and what he says. Him counting time and remaining sane? First of all its linked with mind and mind needs nourishment to perform it isn't linked with consciousness. We breathe, we eat, RBC carries hemoglobin which carries O2 and CO2, the show premise is science not magic. If the whole body/mind was made of stone by some magic casting it would have made sense, but no the show says it happened because of unknown event which only effected the outer most area to be converted into stone, its basically mummifying a person but with stone. He spends 6 months and he couldn't figure out how to make alcohol by himself and you are telling me that he is a genius because he can count time and remain sane? I can bet every one who gets cured of this stonification remain sane, because the show is just plain stupid. 3000 + years and the bird starts chirping away instantly after de-stonification. To you probably that bird is also a genius who didn't lose its flight skills after destonification. I didn't have problem watching naruto, one piece, bleach etc, I fkin have 0 problems with fiction, but the show has to make some sense to be made believable. I know, I can not summon a god damn frog with ninjutsu, I know I wouldn't ever get my hands on deathnote dropped by a shinigami. But there is a thing called character building, shows like death note literally tells you how to present your characters to look realistically smart, see L see Light. You don't have to wear a fkin E=mc^2 shirt to look smart, but this is done if you lack character building/development and you want quick results. You look for shortcuts and what you do is you try to spoon feed the audience that hey look "its the guy who wears E=mc^2 shirt, he must be smart no?" Sorry but I agree with a lot of points that @inim mentioned. The series is probably not for me and I still believe that the series doesn't deserve a rating of 8.3 but I might be wrong. I will do the same as inim and give it another try after it has completed it's season. Anyways ty for the reply. But I'm confused you're issues aren't the same, you have a problem on that the MC doesn't appear to be intelligent and the story does little to characterize that and I've shown you evidence that he is exceptionally intelligent perhaps unbelievably so. Well whatever you presented as an evidence, is not actually evidence of genius level intellect. Creating fuel from plastic is an established chemical process, its nothing as something Nobel prize worthy. And as I wrote in my first comment the rest are just survival skills, telling mushrooms being apart, building a hut, these are survival skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slK30YHOUE here is a guy building a pool with no modern tools. Now there is a difference between a genius and just a simple intelligent person. Characters like L, Light(deathnote), WW(BB), Tyrian Lannister(GoT), Little finger(GoT) are properly portrayed to be like geniuses or highly intelligent, this character is not. The development just isn't there and this isn't an action/comedy like One punch, where the character doesn't really need a development, like it has to be explained how he magically got God-like powers. The anime portrays itself to be based on science. A group of teenagers praising every thing the character says doesn't make him a genius. He has to show something to why he is praised to much. There is literally 0 character development and that for an anime rated above 8 with this kind of premise is unacceptable. And episode one is there for setting a tone, and I didn't like one bit of it. Like the way he was portrayed just for a building a hut and constant smirking like he solved world poverty. The characters just look pretentious and this is tone isn't right for me. May be it sits fine with 10 y.o. but for me I will give it time to finish first then binge watch it, if it still holds its above 8+ score. May be I am wrong and assuming way too early, time will tell. |
Jul 7, 2019 9:11 PM
#110
yes the premise is shocking and sad to see all of the stone people. but we never have a chance to form any empathy for them...the change is too abrupt and so the entire series is build on sand, no trust forms in the story or the writer. Not going to get better I fear..the super scientist expert and the brave protag are old old old. Not even any really cute girls to make it bearable. |
Jul 7, 2019 10:34 PM
#111
People here can't understand you can like something and find probllematic stuff about it. |
Jul 7, 2019 10:41 PM
#112
Gloomy-eyes said: Dunno why but I really did expect more from your argument, something like:”The injection maintained his physical strength”, but hospital? Lol, the issue here is that body function remained after immobility, including lying obv(not to mention could the injection gain the underwater breath ability?). About mental condition, who cares? That is superhero movie, this is a shounen anime. Where’s the difference? My god.. you're full of yourself. "Body function remained after mobility" wtf? They've been not moving their muscle not even a bit for like 3700 year's man. Then they hatched from a stone Freshly, without any effect at all. and then every single muscle they have works properly. This, from an anime who happens to be focusing on "Science". Look, real case people would've been paralyzed, and forgotten how to move their muscle. Even if their nutrition is reserved. But this is shonen, and i know that. I didn't hoping real event happening to them. But at least.. put a little effort on them so that the event actually have side effect for them not just the nature. What truly happen is, they got stoned.. but meh.. nothing really happen to them, mental health check, all body function check. |
Jul 7, 2019 10:48 PM
#113
Doodoo_Man said: Gloomy-eyes said: Dunno why but I really did expect more from your argument, something like:”The injection maintained his physical strength”, but hospital? Lol, the issue here is that body function remained after immobility, including lying obv(not to mention could the injection gain the underwater breath ability?). About mental condition, who cares? That is superhero movie, this is a shounen anime. Where’s the difference? My god.. you're full of yourself. "Body function remained after mobility" wtf? They've been not moving their muscle not even a bit for like 3700 year's man. Then they hatched from a stone Freshly, without any effect at all. and then every single muscle they have works properly. This, from an anime who happens to be focusing on "Science". Look, real case people would've been paralyzed, and forgotten how to move their muscle. Even if their nutrition is reserved. But this is shonen, and i know that. I didn't hoping real event happening to them. But at least.. put a little effort on them so that the event actually have side effect for them not just the nature. What truly happen is, they got stoned.. but meh.. nothing really happen to them, mental health check, all body function check. They didn't have side effect because of something that will be explain soon, the writing is great with this imo and you'll see. |
Jul 8, 2019 8:37 AM
#114
AzorAhai said: 1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface: - No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground! 2) Sanity. - MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves! 3) Annoying parts. - MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man... - Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected") You have a point but you're missing the fact that both characters are clearly crazy, their crazy minds wouldn't be effected the same or to that great of an extant. |
Jul 8, 2019 9:51 AM
#115
AzorAhai said: 1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface: - No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground! 2) Sanity. - MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves! 3) Annoying parts. - MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man... - Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected") while i do agree with you on whatever you said, the thing you have to consider is that this is an anime, and since when does anime makes 100% sense lol. Anyway another way to look at it is that: 1) the petrification of the human population into stones somewhat made the stones more resilient to corrosion but not to impacts. As evident of many stone humans died because they broke apart in stone form. 2) MC was consious the entire time, therefore he had 3500 years to think what had happened. It may had been he accepted that his parents are lost, and he had the one chance to see if his love interest survives as she is the last person and closest person he was in contact with before they turned to stone. The thing i like about animes is that because most of the time they make no sense, they are always open for different interpretations. Which is what makes manga and anime so interesting. |
Jul 8, 2019 2:53 PM
#116
I'm just here to take a daily sip of my MAL of the Day |
Jul 8, 2019 3:44 PM
#117
Jul 8, 2019 5:08 PM
#118
I think all the points raised are interesting, but I think you missed the point altogether by not considering that when an author creates a story he does not seek to recreate an exact copy of our world but rather a world of his own Of course, any fictitious world has to follow certain rules, but you're looking too deep, I do not think the author here, in this particular story wanted to go into such a deep detail of his world, after all, it's a specific type of narrative aimed at an audience that in the end just want to have fun not that this is a bad thing seen from a writer's point of view, at one point we have two types of plots in which we can choose how to construct our history: 1. we can think of each specific detail and tie them in the best way we can to not get any loose, in the end, it is very stressful to work with plots like that, or 2. we write and create what amuses us, no matter how absurd it is personally speaking, both forms of creative development have their own strategies; in the second form, one of their symptoms is the absurd, or what many call "unreal" at the end of it all, what really matters is the target audience; so I find it useless to look so deep into a narrative created by fun to entertain |
Jul 8, 2019 5:39 PM
#119
I find the MC’s friend kinda annoying. Like after all those years all he could think about or care is a high school crush? Excuse me? Does he not have a family, friends or a more meaningful relationship? Everything else was great |
Jul 8, 2019 6:18 PM
#120
Jul 8, 2019 7:28 PM
#121
Ever heard of fiction ? And its just the first episode dude, wtf |
Jul 8, 2019 7:59 PM
#122
Best anime of the season, for me it was the best debut and the anime looks promising. |
Jul 9, 2019 12:51 AM
#123
Fotamon said: AzorAhai said: @Hafexo Just stop looking for problematic/annoying/weird things in such show - watch and enjoy Jeez just use your fucking brain sometimes hahaha you basically say don't use your brain when watching such show and then say i should use brain. Why don't you a) take a chill pill, b) don't throw tantrums, c) and use a brain. t. brainlet Yeah, we need our Comedy X Shounen Chinese cartoons to be 100% realistic when the plot's literally a laser thing turns everyone to stone but acid unstone's all organs to a healthy state without any water. I'm once again reminded why I use this shit site for only a tracker, nobody should be exposed to your autism for extended periods of time. No one asks for 100% realism in fiction. If you've used your eyes and brains, you should be aware of that by now. Just because a story is a fiction it still has to follow rules that makes it "real"; otherwise it would be a trash no one can take seriously. Plus, it's always fun to theorize and discuss things instead of just swallowing what you get showed in your mouth. As i can see you already rated the show 10/10 so it didn't came as a surprise to see you throwing tantrums; you probably haven't read a single civilized discussion on this thread lol; Mal gives opportunities to people like you to mature a bit so try to learn a bit from how others responded to the thread. I'm once again reminded about narrow-minded, easily triggered fanboys going apeshit at the smallest signs of criticism, here on MAL. |
Jul 9, 2019 6:39 AM
#124
im gonna watch this series to check whats this noise is about but from the first post alone you have to check if this story is HARD science fiction (which you are trying to make sense of) or just an average science fiction stuff anyway |
Jul 10, 2019 12:23 PM
#126
Everyone out here just yelling at op for sharing their opinion, and I'm just over here thinking about how I don' t like how Taiju shouts 90% of his lines it just got really annoying way too fast and I don't know how I feel about that |
Jul 10, 2019 12:34 PM
#127
The show is literally just one fucking episode in, 1 |
Steam: Zeemanhuismerk |
Jul 10, 2019 1:35 PM
#128
Ah shi*. Here we go again with finding faults in new anime instead of just enjoying it. |
Jul 10, 2019 7:28 PM
#129
I’m not sure I’ll be able to accept this guys massive crush either. A crush you think about for over 3000 years? These two lovers better have an emotional bonding backstory |
Jaywalker. |
Jul 11, 2019 2:57 AM
#130
This was exquisite in terms of cringe. Thanks OP, I'm good for the day. Btw how old are you? |
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Jul 11, 2019 11:18 AM
#131
The only problem I had with the first episode was that the pacing was a bit too fast. I feel that what happened episode 1 could've been drawn out through two more episodes, or just one more at the very least, and we could've focused a bit more on how the world has changed throughout the span of 3700 years now that just about every human (and some other animals too?) on the planet got stoned all at once. But yeah, still a great first episode imo, I'm definitely on board with this. I follow 3 episode rule almost religiously though, so I'm hoping that this doesn't turn out like Kotobuki and fall off all of a sudden through the next two episodes. |
Jul 12, 2019 3:26 AM
#132
dandar said: that would honestly drag it out part of the joy of this is discovering the state of this world along with the two characters and needless screen time about the world especially two episodes would significantly drag that out. I'm admittedly a bit biased as I thought the pacing was great.The only problem I had with the first episode was that the pacing was a bit too fast. I feel that what happened episode 1 could've been drawn out through two more episodes, or just one more at the very least, and we could've focused a bit more on how the world has changed throughout the span of 3700 years now that just about every human (and some other animals too?) on the planet got stoned all at once. But yeah, still a great first episode imo, I'm definitely on board with this. I follow 3 episode rule almost religiously though, so I'm hoping that this doesn't turn out like Kotobuki and fall off all of a sudden through the next two episodes. |
Jul 12, 2019 3:32 AM
#133
CrisGer_San_AA said: I don't know about you but seeing countless people lose their lives so easily does form a bit of empathy in me. Plus why is it necessary to form emphathy for these people,it's not like they are significant characters they are just extras in the story, most apocalyptic stories work this way. We are mainly meant to follow the two protagonist that's the ones that matter and we have to understand their story in trying to re create the world through science.yes the premise is shocking and sad to see all of the stone people. but we never have a chance to form any empathy for them...the change is too abrupt and so the entire series is build on sand, no trust forms in the story or the writer. Not going to get better I fear..the super scientist expert and the brave protag are old old old. Not even any really cute girls to make it bearable. Technically the entire series is built on stone. "No trust forms in the story or the writer" whatever this means, but my only rebuttal is that the premise so far is sound and adheres to it's own logic. Not being able to develop emphathy for an entire world doesn't break the story. |
Jul 12, 2019 10:11 AM
#134
episode 2 solidifies this as just some average science fiction show and not a hard science fiction one so those complains on the first post are pointless we got unrealistic super genius and super strength and i doubt there will be a realistic explanation of their abilities on this show |
Jul 12, 2019 10:47 AM
#135
AzorAhai said: lmao all of your questions are answered simply if you remember it's a science fiction and not everything should be realistic also about taiju he indeed doesn't have parents, senku wants to re build society and technology that took so many years to exist and that has been destroyed he felt bad for all the knowledge and evolutions lost since he's a sience enthusiast, you had a point at first with how the stones didn't get buried tho still is ain't normal stones btw but that's it everything else is answered in the next epsiodes if you cannot wait read the manga and then come cretic it!1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface: - No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground! 2) Sanity. - MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves! 3) Annoying parts. - MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man... - Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected") |
Jul 12, 2019 11:02 AM
#136
Agree with almost everything you said, there are a lot of things wrong with the show so far. The most annoying thing with the show is Senku himself, he's probably the only thing that's holding the show at this point in time. A very nonrealistic Personality, awful dialogue and just over explanation of minute things. Half of the show is extremely condescending, I can somewhat understand that but do you really need to explain how to cook food? It's almost like it wants you to stop watching. Also, how do you find someone like the "High school Primate" in modern day Japan? Honestly, the show is at a 7.5/10 for me right now. Only giving it that because of the decent plot setting. Has alot of potential, but I can tell this show is going to be average |
Jul 12, 2019 4:59 PM
#137
I just consider it a show for 10 years old children. the manga also looks like it was written by a 10 year old. |
Jul 12, 2019 6:53 PM
#138
inim said: Also the "cool landscapes" (the animation is good quality, no doubt about that part) to me look like isekai. I think they look way better than regular isekai ones, although I'm not in a good position to judge, because I haven't seen much isekai shows. However if I were to compare Dr. Stone's landscapes to those isekais I have already seen then Dr. Stone looks better for me (yeah, I know it is not an isekai). |
Jul 12, 2019 8:22 PM
#139
AzorAhai said: 1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface: - No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground! 2) Sanity. - MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves! 3) Annoying parts. - MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man... - Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected") 100% agree, the only likeable character as of now is Senku, Taiju is obnoxious but not in a likeable way as with Asta from BC. TBH way overhyped and not as good as anime like Vinland or Fire Force. |
Jul 12, 2019 8:26 PM
#140
Dude, the way you are only answering the people who gave bad answers just makes you look like a troll. Plus you are way to rude for someone who just wants to "discuss". I don't know if it's just me but you definitely don't like this show. It's shounen. Some things don't make sense like this guy said: DoruCatana said: Hunter x Hunter- Killua, 12yo, an assasin, he kills someone, and Gon, his friend, wants to save him and be a good friend for him. The promised Neverland- 12yo kids or younger with great minds who outsmart adults and demons. Attack on Titan, 12-15 years old kids that are better to fight Titans than trained soldiers. But ofcourse, they all have their redeeming qualities and this one also has a lot. |
We are all Misanthropes Made you learn |
Jul 12, 2019 8:51 PM
#141
Jul 13, 2019 9:03 AM
#142
Swizze said: It makes zero sense that every animal is fine and running around yet he had some birds that turned to stone. Even in the second episode it has some birds alive and flying around. But perhaps this will be further explained? It won't be explained. Clearly the bird was needed only for the plot, so Senkuu could test the liquid that unfreezes people. Very poor writing in that sense; the stone thing either applies to all living things or just to humans, you can't turn some birds into stone but let the others alive just because you felt like it (I mean, you can, but it's bad writing, a sort of deux ex machina). All worlds should be consistent, even in shounens, even worlds in which people turn to stone magically. Also, everyone turns to stone with their clothes on and when they come out of the stone they're naked; the clothes somehow desintegrate. And Yuzuriha somehow still retains that hair accessory but not her clothes. Zero logic. So much science involved in this story, but common sense is not used much for the premise. |
Jul 13, 2019 11:47 AM
#143
Here is what I see that's annoying: 1. when they got petrified, it also included their clothes, so if Senku and Taiju were to be unpetrified it should also include their clothes. 2. Only Sparrow got petrified but not other birds, fishes and mammals. 3. Sanity as mentioned by AzorAhai , yes I kinda agree with him, if you're conscious while being in a petrified state, you loose you mind in matter of months and you probably wished that you're dead. |
Jul 13, 2019 10:26 PM
#144
Is this your first anime |
"Whether doing good or evil, I will be the boss." |
Jul 14, 2019 12:40 AM
#145
JiangHaoyi1979 said: 1. when they got petrified, it also included their clothes, so if Senku and Taiju were to be unpetrified it should also include their clothes. No, no clothes where petrified what are you talking about ? The stoning light was obviously aiming to specific species not to fabrics use your brain. JiangHaoyi1979 said: 2. Only Sparrow got petrified but not other birds, fishes and mammals. This is hella obvious that the guy(s) who petrified humanity was testing it on sparrows, it was basically hinted in the first episode with taiju's flashback. JiangHaoyi1979 said: 13. Sanity as mentioned by AzorAhai , yes I kinda agree with him, if you're conscious while being in a petrified state, you loose you mind in matter of months and you probably wished that you're dead. Every single atoms of there body was petrified but this is not a regular stone I don't wanna spoil you lol. Here are they, those ''I should watch dlthis without paying attention to subtle details and thinking all the mystery should be answered in the FIRST EPISODE and if they are not, come to forums and begin to complain'' that's sad. |
Jul 14, 2019 3:48 AM
#146
@Bloe Dude, the way you are only answering the people who gave bad answers just makes you look like a troll. Plus you are way to rude for someone who just wants to "discuss". I'm mostly answering to "bad" answers since simply spamming "yeah, i agree with your point of view" or "thanks for agreeing to my pov" to everyone with similar opinion is a waste of time! That clearly went over your head right? But gotta make some assumptions that clearly don't make you look like someone who got triggered...Plus i'm rude? I was moderately rude to just one troll who's later reply was even removed by moderators. So you basically "cry" about me being a troll/rude/not liking the show/"it's a shounen". If you have read more than 1 of my replies, you'd know my point of view about "it's a shounen" part or "not liking the show" part, but you better whine about my personality or me being a troll rather than to discuss the topic in more than 2 unoriginal and blunt sentences! And "I" am a troll after this... |
Sigmar-UnberogenJul 14, 2019 3:56 AM
Jul 14, 2019 4:49 AM
#147
this obviously isn't bait and anyone saying it is is willfully ignorant |
moe moe ichijou seiya |
Jul 14, 2019 5:11 AM
#148
Phantom24 said: 100% agree, the only likeable character as of now is Senku, Taiju is obnoxious but not in a likeable way as with Asta from BC. TBH way overhyped and not as good as anime like Vinland or Fire Force. Then you should be happy because Senkuu is the MC and he won't be leaving the story for some time unlike other characters. JiangHaoyi1979 said: 2. Only Sparrow got petrified but not other birds, fishes and mammals. Sparrows were probably test subjects of whoever one who petrified whole humanity. |
Jul 14, 2019 2:19 PM
#149
Hafexo said: Dont you notice that this is made into slight comedy? And what kind of personality have MC? Jeez just use your fucking brain sometimes Telling someone to use their brain when they are literally using it while watching the show and not consuming and accepting everything that happens without a question like you. Gosh the irony here. |
Jul 16, 2019 4:13 PM
#150
I'm just sort of confused as to how I'm meant to personally engage/interact with the show. I like how it tries to act "logical" at times but all that makes me think about is how interesting but stupid the premise (particularly how on earth people are still alive) is and it just starts falling apart. It tends to come off as more of a turn your brain off anime to me rather than the bastion of scientific knowledge in application (on the writer's part) a number of people praise it to be (cause that would imply consistency). Being ridiculous is fine. Being inconsistent in your ridiculousness is another. If I find out I'm not supposed to take it seriously as a science show...not that I expect much or anything from shounen jump writers.. then I think I might be gucci. There's one other more major thing I have an issue with..Senku (?) referred to soap as Dr. Stone... The show is freaking called SOAP. WHY THE HELL IS NO ONE CALLING THIS SHOW 'SOAP' ALREADY???? WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU DAMMIT? Do memes mean nothing to you? Aptu.. I spit in the face of you, the anime community. You have failed this society. You have failed this planet. Smh. |
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