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May 23, 2018 8:54 PM
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Seasonal anime can be fun to watch. I mean, if I just rewatch my favorite anime over and over again, I might get sick of it. I would NOT like the feeling of being sick of an anime that I love. So, I watch seasonal anime. Besides, if it's good or even great, why not watch it? It's not like you've actually wasted your time if you actually enjoyed it.

And yes, I understand that you can always watch older anime... But there's still nothing wrong with watching the seasonal stuff. I watch older anime all the time alongside the ones that come out each season.
May 23, 2018 9:29 PM

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I'm starting to think that you're incapable of NOT talking out of your ass.

May 23, 2018 9:31 PM

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TsukuyomiREKT said:
I'm starting to think that you're incapable of NOT talking out of your ass.


The part that gets to me is how he opened up the thread, saw what people were saying, then completely overwrote his original post in a manner that makes the thread completely inaccessible to users that didn't see it when it was first posted, seemingly just as a means of asserting what he was trying to say.
May 23, 2018 9:35 PM

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Jesus man, how many times do you intend on changing your post?

This is actually sad and I'm starting to feel bad for you.

And really? Trying to convince people by using Digibro's videos who most people that frequents AD hates?
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May 23, 2018 9:38 PM

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Hey are you really sure you aren't trolling every time you make a thread?
May 23, 2018 9:39 PM
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OmegaSwampert said:
TsukuyomiREKT said:
I'm starting to think that you're incapable of NOT talking out of your ass.


The part that gets to me is how he opened up the thread, saw what people were saying, then completely overwrote his original post in a manner that makes the thread completely inaccessible to users that didn't see it when it was first posted, seemingly just as a means of asserting what he was trying to say.


@Tasel

Sighs Now I'm going to have to change the post AGAIN, to spell it out...

The reason why I keep changing the OP is because everybody keeps misunderstand my opinion.
May 23, 2018 9:45 PM

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RedKitten13 said:
Why do you watch seasonal anime?


Because it's fun, and also because there's a chance to find a new favorite anime of mine.

Is it really worth investing as much time in seasonal anime as you do?


Yes.


Do you truly believe you've seen everything better than whatever garbage is showing rn? (There are so many classic mecha better than darling in the franxx)
May 23, 2018 10:03 PM

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Title; I watch new anime because I don't have any preconceived opinions about them, unlike with critically acclaimed anime, where my expectations are really high because of their praise.

It's easier for new anime to meet my expectations, because I have no expectation from them.

I've watched critically acclaimed anime that I liked and that I didn't like, just like with new anime.

Point is, I don't care how praised an anime is, or isn't, as long as it entertains me, but if people gush about how good it is, the anime suffers from high expectations.

So, everyone should watch whatever they want, not what other people say they should and shouldn't.
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May 23, 2018 10:08 PM

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well, again, i watch anime for entertainment... by no way i am gonna coplicated shit... i watch what are available...
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May 23, 2018 10:14 PM

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Although "critically acclaimed anime" have a higher chance for you to like them, the best way is always trying to watch the show by yourself.

For example, there is nothing wrong with Ghost in the Shell (1995) movie, but when I watched it, it was really boring that I wanted to sleep. It's kind of unusual for me because I usually like dark, philosophical series.

I think the best way is watching both seasonal anime and old anime. I agreed that if you only watch seasonal anime, you may miss out a lot of great anime.
May 23, 2018 10:17 PM

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saw the name of the thread, considered responding, saw two Digibro vids in OP, decided not to bother, good day.
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May 23, 2018 10:37 PM

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I really can't be bothered watching older shows like Escaflowne, Revolutionary Girl Utena etc. Most of the pre-90s shows are heavily sci-fi and mecha shows which does not appeal to me. There are some ones which stand out for certain reasons like Akage no Anne which is based on a famous novel "Anne of Green Gables" but other than that, nothing too outstanding.

Get out of here with this time is short argument. You have to picky and selective when it comes to watching seasonals. Currently I'm only focused on 10 shows (most being sequels or same material) which is not a big time-sink as you might think OP.

Off-topic but damn OP why do you sport Ichise as your forum avatar? Texhnolyze gets uncalled for bashing and it's not a critically acclaimed show. The circlejerk propelled it into the spotlight. You fool!
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May 23, 2018 10:38 PM

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I watch fewer seasonal anime tbh i like to binge watch but i keep up with older series such as Gintama and Naruto now Boruto,and i like to watch seasonal anime at some point.
IMO it's a subjective topic some people like the hype and are not down to binging.
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May 23, 2018 10:53 PM

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NihilisticLoner said:
I don't think I'm exactly doing that. All I've done is ask why people are fixated on anime they'll be unsure of, rather than watch anime that they've been told are amazing.


This is the core concern of your inquiry, yes?

Let me end this thread in four words: o brave new world.

You have to understand that on top of a hundred other reasons people have for watching seasonals, there exist people like me on the lookout for the next big thing and wanting to be part of that next big thing. When Made in Abyss or Houseki no Kuni started airing, before they gained traction, I was there, promoting them, telling people I know to watch them. When Koe no Katachi aired in theatres here in my country earlier than some in the west, I was there, praising it, telling people to watch it. Seeing where they are now puts a smile in my face. I was there for them and I saw their potential and by Darwin's beard am I happy that more and more people see their potential too. It's like having a child win a spelling bee, I guess. You believed in them when they were still starting out. Maybe I'm just prideful. Maybe I just hate to bandwagon things when I could be pulling the wagon, if you get what I mean. But that's my reason. And it's a valid enough reason as any.

You just have to accept that there will be people who will loathe playing safe and threading old paths. Not just in anime but in all of human history.
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May 23, 2018 11:00 PM

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Stop making digibro look bad by adding his videos to prove a point. Digi has literally said before his favorite time period for anime is recent(although he did say the best time for creativity was the 80's). You're just making him look more like a generic hipster than he is. He's a hipster, but not THAT generic.
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May 23, 2018 11:35 PM

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NihilisticLoner said:
It usually takes a LONG time to decide which anime per season are the amazing ones. In the meantime, why not watch older anime with much higher scores, where the chances of you enjoying them more is a lot higher? Ex: Why watch Takagi-san when you can watch Fate/Zero?

These two aren’t even comparable. If I’m in the mood for a light-hearted comedy, why would I choose to watch Fate/Zero over Takagi-san? Sure, F/Z may have a more meaningful narrative, but you’ll find that a lot of people care only about enjoyment and not gaining some sort of deeper appreciation by watching critically acclaimed anime, so they’d much rather go with their current mood and watch whatever they feel like.

You say in the meantime, yet go on to imply you should choose to watch only one out of the two even though it’s entirely possible to alternate between them while not spending much time on the seasonal. I could watch one episode of Franxx a week, which would only take around 24 minutes of my time, while also watching Zeta Gundam for the rest of the week, and I’m sure many others also alternate between currently airing and finished, so I don’t see what your point is here.

I’m not interested in watching the Digibro videos you linked but I understand what you mean by us having limited time, and this goes back to the earlier point about current moods. They could spend that one episode of Takagi on F/Z, but some people aren’t completely fixated on spending their free time as best as they could and don’t mind “wasting” a bit of time being unsure of how a series will play out. It’s pretty much a given that most fans care more about the latest media than they care about old, and this is true for every medium, whether it’s games, anime, movies, or live action TV. For those who prioritise enjoyment over quality, it isn’t a waste of time at all if they’re able to freely choose what to watch. All the time you’ve spent replying to users in this thread could’ve been spent watching anime instead, yet you replied to others anyways since you’re interested in hearing other opinions. Would you call this thread and your replies a waste of time? It’s the same thing.

NihilisticLoner said:
Why is this idea of "keeping up with the discussion" so widespread, when almost NOBODY has any actual, meaningful, discussions?
For example, I haven't seen a single ep discussion on mal where people actually analyze a series they're currently watching. When people "discuss" on mal, all they do is ARGUE about whether the anime sucks or not.

You’re correct in saying most users don’t discuss anything - a lot of users in seasonal episode discussion threads only care about posting their reactions, but I do still see some discussion, not just on here but on other sites as well. The idea of keeping up with the discussion is more about the reactions and “drama”, not actual discussion. Franxx is a decent example of this. I’ve seen tons of mixed reactions regarding episode 14 and while I have no interest in watching the series myself, some people may feel like they’re either out of the loop or missing out if they don’t understand why the episode is so controversial. When users argue about whether an anime sucks or not, some (definitely not most) do actually analyse the series’ positives and negativity negatives, how is that not meaningful discussion?
May 24, 2018 12:34 AM

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I really don't understand all the hate with the OP.
He is simply telling an obvious truth, an anime that is critically acclaimed and highly regarded will be PROBABLY be better that some unknown stuff that is airing now.

It's like, comparing "News of the world" by Queen, or "The Dark Side of the Moon" by Pink Floyd to some random new rock stuff...I mean...

I really don't understand, it's really undeniable, almost tautological...
You can say there is nothing smart in what he said, but certainly you can't say it's bullshit...

By the way I found the video interesting, I didn't know Skycrawlers and I think I will buy Nausicaa manga (everyone is telling me it's great).
Of course I will go on watching Megalo Box, Golden Kamuy and Hinamatsuri, three shows I am enjoying a lot :)
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Coren82 said:
I really don't understand all the hate with the OP.
He is simply telling an obvious truth, an anime that is critically acclaimed and highly regarded will be PROBABLY be better that some unknown stuff that is airing now.

It's like, comparing "News of the world" by Queen, or "The Dark Side of the Moon" by Pink Floyd to some random new rock stuff...I mean...

I really don't understand, it's really undeniable, almost tautological...
You can say there is nothing smart in what he said, but certainly you can't say it's bullshit...

By the way I found the video interesting, I didn't know Skycrawlers and I think I will buy Nausicaa manga (everyone is telling me it's great).
Of course I will go on watching Megalo Box, Golden Kamuy and Hinamatsuri, three shows I am enjoying a lot :)
OP's changed the title and content of his original post so much that it's totally different now.
May 24, 2018 3:21 AM

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*looks at list*


Well, as much as I agree that seasonal life isn't for everyone, it is what some people enjoy doing. And no, they do not choose to watch everything.... usually 10-20 series.


But it is true, the chances of enjoying an already finished anime is much higher. However, some people do this for a social life, so they might not want to watch something unless it is being talked about.

Eventually, people who watch seasonals all the time burn out if they are burning too hot on the seasonals. And yes, anime that all come out in the same year even are often similar because they are following more current trends.

There are some people who watch only anime which look physically distinctive from the rest of the pool of choices which does limit what you end up watching seasonally. Or someone has a niche like ecchi or cute boys/girls and they stick with it. Usually those more niche people are perfectly fine.

But the people more determined to watch "everything" have a lot more trouble watching stuff from all the same season. Because instead of watching 5 shows, they are watching 20.
The anime community in a nutshell.
May 24, 2018 3:31 AM

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Why is this idea of "keeping up with the discussion" so widespread, when almost NOBODY has any actual, meaningful, discussions?
For example, I haven't seen a single ep discussion on mal where people actually analyze a series they're currently watching. When people "discuss" on mal, all they do is ARGUE about whether the anime sucks or not.



I have actually been praised the one time I did this while watching a seasonal...


I believe it was during episode 7of Yuri on Ice discussion when people were arguing about if there was a kiss or not- That Yuri on Ice is reverse character development Evangelion. Which was only confirmed at the end of the series. (though on yaoi forums I made this observation on Episode 1 that the show felt very old-Gainax, and then checked staff to see there was a lot of old-gaianax staff.)



Otherwise.... yeah people should really only watch seasonals if it is their jib.
The anime community in a nutshell.
May 24, 2018 5:49 AM

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@Cybertron
I think this is a bit stupid for me to say, but the guy is unreasonable and tends to generalize everything. Even when he is wrong, he won't admit it... Basically, he won't accept his mistake and will constantly try arguing further.
If you've read his original post, you'll understand that, " trying communicate better" is just an excuse. And the continuous change in the title of this thread is due to him not accepting that he was wrong...
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I think this is a bit stupid for me to say, but the guy is unreasonable and tends to generalize everything. Even when he is wrong, he won't admit it... Basically, he won't accept his mistake and will constantly try arguing further.
If you've read his original post, you'll understand that, " trying communicate better" is just an excuse. And the continuous change in the title of this thread is due to him not accepting that he was wrong...


Why do you people on mal literally have to be TOLD when someone agrees with you? Does everything have to be spelled out?

I DO agree with most of you guys' reasons. The only reason it looks like I don't agree is because I'm not saying it. Proof:

Post #106: "Interesting answer. The part about being more of the community, than the actual content. I can't relate to that, because I'm anti-social."

-Many people keep up with new anime, because they've already finished "classic" anime.
-They want to be part of the community
-They enjoy making theories
-They've found favorites from new anime

The MEANING of the title of the thread is actually not any different than it was originally; it's only more blunt than before.

I will NEVER make a thread again where I respond to any of you guys' posts. Because when I do, I'm called stubborn, condescending, and someone who is not willing to agree with people because I don't spell it out.

Eanki said:
NihilisticLoner said:
I don't think I'm exactly doing that. All I've done is ask why people are fixated on anime they'll be unsure of, rather than watch anime that they've been told are amazing.


This is the core concern of your inquiry, yes?

Let me end this thread in four words: o brave new world.

You have to understand that on top of a hundred other reasons people have for watching seasonals, there exist people like me on the lookout for the next big thing and wanting to be part of that next big thing. When Made in Abyss or Houseki no Kuni started airing, before they gained traction, I was there, promoting them, telling people I know to watch them. When Koe no Katachi aired in theatres here in my country earlier than some in the west, I was there, praising it, telling people to watch it. Seeing where they are now puts a smile in my face. I was there for them and I saw their potential and by Darwin's beard am I happy that more and more people see their potential too. It's like having a child win a spelling bee, I guess. You believed in them when they were still starting out. Maybe I'm just prideful. Maybe I just hate to bandwagon things when I could be pulling the wagon, if you get what I mean. But that's my reason. And it's a valid enough reason as any.

You just have to accept that there will be people who will loathe playing safe and threading old paths. Not just in anime but in all of human history.


Do I HAVE to spell it out to you people? I agree with this line of reasoning.
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Why i watch new anime? Simply, because i want to watch new anime xd. Also the already-finished anime are not much better that the new anime.. Almost all my fav anime I watched when they were airing..I watched many so called "masterpieces" that aired long ago and honestly didn't enjoyed as much as the newer anime.. A recent example is "Code Geass".. I watched it 1 week ago, i think, and honestly it wasn't the "awesome" anime people said it was. 1st season was average and 2nd was a little better..
About the MAL ratings.. i honestly don't care how high or low an anime is rated, when i decide what to watch. I don't care if an anime has a huge rating, if i don't like what i see either i drop it or rate it low.. It all depends if I can enjoy the anime. I dropped anime that have huge rating on MAL and have anime with low rating that are my fav.. It all depends on personal taste.

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"Why watch new anime when the CHANCES of enjoying critically acclaimed already-finished anime are much higher?"

Because I want to and because I can do it.
And I can just watch both of them.

Also bcz I don't really care if it's critically acclaimed, I don't like some of them, and I like some that many ppl hate, and well... I don't really care.

Oh, and I also don't think the scores are trustworthy... Come one, Deathnote and Another have high scores, do you think I can really take those into consideration???
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RoseVue said:
Who cares? Why does it bother you lmao. Watch whatever you want, who gives a shit what everyone watches.

this is basically how it should be
just because we give a bad review to a popular show does not mean we think that if another person likes it we think he is stupid
May 24, 2018 7:21 AM

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for some reason most reviews of the seasonal anime are more accurate even based on 1 or 2 episodes

unlike the old ones where they tell you watch first 50 episodes ull see. or it was the first anime to do this and that it was a game changer,
biased opinions just.

looking through old anime takes too much time and effort once you get past the obvious top ones
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Honestly I just did my account a few days ago and still populating my list.
I never did an account as I did not see the need but have been visting for years and watched several anime. I did realize while lurking around here there are 2 spectrum of people people who love said show or people who hate it rarely do I find people in between in reviews.

IMO a 7 is a good score, as if every show in the world anime or not, movie or not can be amazing then no movie or show would come out. My meanscore shows a 7 so far i find that to be fair it was good enough to peak my interest and make me enjoy my time watching said show but did not blow me away.

A critically acclaimed would be hellsing or elfien lied which I honestly do not get, yet by that reasoning I am missing out or it is not normal?
May 24, 2018 7:35 AM

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Talking about old anime and scores at the same time is so dumb. Talking about scores at all is dumb. People who only watch seasonals surely are missing out though.
May 24, 2018 7:42 AM

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Because I have time to watch both kind of anime and I want to watch more? I also want to know the difference between anime 2k18 and anime in 90s.? IDK man so many posibilities.
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Cause I've seen 'em all. I've been scouring the past for a decade now to find stuff I'd love. At this point chances are much higher that I find something excellent among new anime. Most of my 9+ scores each year are recent shows. Do I have to wade through same shit to filter out the crap? Absolutely, but that's what the dropped list is for.
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whiters99 said:
NihilisticLoner said:

1 Day = 24 hours

6 hours is spent sleeping
1 hour is spent jogging
7 1/2 hours is spent on school
3 hours of homework
I go to sleep at 10, so that's 2 hours
One hour of eating lunch/dinner
One hour of using the bathroom

21 1/2 hours already taken up. Meaning I have about 2 1/2 hours to watch anime

@Gem

5 anime
Average anime is 12 eps. Skip OP and ED, the average anime is 4 hours. So on average, you're spending at least 20+ hours on seasonal anime. I haven't heard/seen anything in the past few seasons that sound remotely as good as something, like, say, Cowboy Bepop, or are good enough that I would watch them instead of rewatching a classic favorite.

"Eventually they might be classics"
In the FUTURE...the PRESENT...why waste it?


3 hours for homework? Are you serious? And give me a break, you shouldn't always slept at 10 are you really an adult? What about holidays and weekends?

But back to topic, i watch seasonal anime because i like it and i keep watching that interest me because that's my hobby it doesn't matter about worth the time or not i do it because it is fun. And how do you know if they all shit if you aren't even try watching it? Keep your narrow mind to yourself.


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Sleep 8 hours
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Gaming: 8 hours
Anime: 1,5-2 hours
the others differ each time
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Ohh the thread ain't retarded anymore congrats
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You are rephrasing the subject so much and so often that entering this thread is a new adventure every time xD

You are putting words in Digibro that he didn't say, not at least in these videos. Digibro is not being judgemental about what kind of anime you watch in either of the videos. In the first one he is recommending older stuff because it is out of the current trends and there's always a chance to rediscover it, notice how he isn't talking about Akira, Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion or the Ghibli movies because these are already well-known and have a more consistent acclaim. That has nothing to do with your point about watching stuff that is critically acclaimed, because guess what, these shows are not. To the point that Digibro considers giving them the spotlight because they are not well-known enough, and not the contrary.

In the second he is simply saying that time is limited to consume everything you want to. Which of course it is. Now, that has nothing to do with being judgemental of what others watch, how they manage their personal free time or how they take priorities. These calculations are for himself and his circumstance. I'm sure Digi doesn't even consider watching the over 9000 movies I am interested to watch and that will take like 16181 hours of my lifetime (made the calculations a little while ago), and I certainly don't give a fuck about giving every anime out there a try like he does. Each one has their own way to manage their time and only from a position of self-absorbed arrogance it would be justified to call any of these ways and personal choices a "waste".

"Why watch Takagi-san when you can watch Fate/Zero?" - The original manga from Takagi-san has a very high average (8.27). You keep bringing this example again and again but the source material for this show is critically acclaimed (and the anime has a very good average as well). You are trying to talk about consensus but all you end up doing is talking about yourself with these examples. And that's a big issue with your thread.

I haven't even watched Takagi-san. But I'm quite certain it is a show made for a different niche than Fate/Zero. And I have a lot more interest on watching this little series than on watching the entire Fateverse. Every example and comparison you make has similar problematic issues. You can't take mere statistic trends and throw them at individuals. You know that some of the highest-grossing films are stuff I have absolutely no interest to watch? Some I didn't even like? Each one knows their own tastes better than you are assuming, and I certainly know when I'm liking stuff and when I'm not, and whether I'm wasting my time or not is something I decide for myself, that concerns me and my own sphere of personal decision. Not you, and not certainly your stats, your consensus and your generalizations.

NihilisticLoner said:
Guys, I'm only asking you a QUESTION yet so many people on this thread are acting like I'm the one being condescending...

I wonder why...
NihilisticLoner said:
Why is this idea of "keeping up with the discussion" so widespread, when almost NOBODY has any actual, meaningful, discussions?
For example, I haven't seen a single ep discussion on mal where people actually analyze a series they're currently watching. When people "discuss" on mal, all they do is ARGUE about whether the anime sucks or not.
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Why have sex with your gf when you can fuck your married older sister instead I mean she is approved to be good



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It ultimately boils down to personal preference so I will name some of them I found, that influence interest (or lack thereof) in the critically acclaimed anime.

1) One thing the human brain is exceedingly good at, even compared to other functions, is memory. Once you have seen the critically acclaimed ones, it just resides as a good story in your mind. You can watch it again and again, but it gets boring at some point mainly because your own memory spoils them. You just dont feel the same way you felt when watching it for the first time. Some ppl take more tries to get bored with a particular story while others takes less tries. But boredom is a pervasive phenomenon which no one can escape from

2) This might be my opinion, but I dont think most people who watch seasonal anime are doing so just for the sake of watching something and debating whether it sucks or not. And its not because its a trend to keep up with the latest anime so it can be a talking point. Old is gold is true only if the latest ones are crap compared to a great show from before. If there is a new show that manages to blow your mind, that becomes another critically acclaimed series.

3) Also, critically acclaimed does not guarantee entertainment for everyone. It just means that professional critics and (hopefully) a majority of the viewers thought it was good. But that is of no use to someone who just isnt interested in the particular topic that series deals with.

4) The main point of anime is to watch, and since we get to watch it for free in many sites, you have a lot to choose from. The choices range from the old school animation style released decades ago to the latest released this month. Since you have a lot of choices, it is inevitable that people get interested in something new.
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In extreme terms: No new anime would become "classics" in the future if everybody only watched already finished "critically acclaimed" anime (MAL is only audience score), they wouldn't exist. If they did, they would be wasting the same amount of time trying to figure out what is what. Reverse engineer the entire industry from what it was like when there was only 1 show on TV and think about it.

Spending .22% (22/10,080 minutes) of your time per episode a week is incredibly insignificant. You've watched 141,552 minutes, stretch that over 22 minute weeks, that's 123 years. You have the time. If you actually want to refine your tastes, you're gonna need to watch all sorts of it, including bad anime. Having over 100 dropped anime after 1 episode or less makes me think you value time that you have over being a critic.

It's as simple as people who like anime watch anime, the fact that so many people watch new anime is a result of a healthy industry (rip animators). It's never 1 specific reason and you don't need to know them all to be able to wrap your head around why people watch new anime. You would have achieved your goal if you just asked an open ended question of why people watch anime at all.


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Didn't get to read OP's post before editing but I think he got enough salt already so here's a serious opinion of mine.

I watch new anime because they're easy to watch. Just one episode per week, you see. I became an anime fan late (2012) so I don't really know much about classics and how good they are but their art style alone can't persuade me enough to watch them. I'm kinda interested to watch Gintama considering how popular it is and I love parodies but look at its episodes. Those are some examples for why I don't watch old animes. And I've probably watched most 'critically acclaimed already finished anime' you'd mention since your example is F/Z, which is one of my favorites I consider a masterpiece. I dropped Takagi at first episode but comparing F/Z to Takagi is a bad example since they're completely different genres. I mean, I'm not a saint either. If someone said to me BnHA is better than F/Z, I'd be surely triggered but I won't say F/Z is better than Takagi. And there're some anime worth watching just because they're 'bad'. Won't you get bored only watching anime that people say good? Find and watch some anime which you think "wow, I might like this" and you'd get a new experience. The term 'hidden gem' exists because there're good shows which are not 'critically acclaimed'. And no one can tell when a 'hidden gem' will pop out of ongoing animes (Hinamatsuri this season, for example). I never watch Anime YouTubers and MAL scores mean nothing to me for the sole purpose of this. Try to change your perspective a little, OP.

P.S. You're really missing out by not watching Steins;Gate 0 this season even tho you've watched S;G and gave it an 8. Of course you can watch after it's completed but suspense won't be the same. Got one more reason why we watch ongoing anime?

May 24, 2018 9:32 AM

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It all boils down to what the individual wants. Maybe, just maybe, some people would rather watch stuff like Takagi-san and have absolutely no interest in something like Fate/Zero.

Personally, I'll never consider watching something just because of it's higher rating a valid reason. Why, because personal experience.

NihilisticLoner said:
When people "discuss" on mal, all they do is ARGUE about whether the anime sucks or not.

I will agree with this though.
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jal90 said:
You are rephrasing the subject so much and so often that entering this thread is a new adventure every time xD


Because I'm terrible at conveying my opinions.

jal90 said:
You are putting words in Digibro that he didn't say, not at least in these videos. Digibro is not being judgemental about what kind of anime you watch in either of the videos. In the first one he is recommending older stuff because it is out of the current trends and there's always a chance to rediscover it, notice how he isn't talking about Akira, Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion or the Ghibli movies because these are already well-known and have a more consistent acclaim. That has nothing to do with your point about watching stuff that is critically acclaimed, because guess what, these shows are not. To the point that Digibro considers giving them the spotlight because they are not well-known enough, and not the contrary.

In the second he is simply saying that time is limited to consume everything you want to. Which of course it is. Now, that has nothing to do with being judgemental of what others watch, how they manage their personal free time or how they take priorities. These calculations are for himself and his circumstance. I'm sure Digi doesn't even consider watching the over 9000 movies I am interested to watch and that will take like 16181 hours of my lifetime (made the calculations a little while ago), and I certainly don't give a fuck about giving every anime out there a try like he does. Each one has their own way to manage their time and only from a position of self-absorbed arrogance it would be justified to call any of these ways and personal choices a "waste".


The ONLY reason I linked those videos, was JUST to argue that our time is limited, and that watching older anime is great. No, I wasn't JUST refering to 90s anime, I was talking about RECENT anime too, like Steins; Gate.

jal90 said:
"Why watch Takagi-san when you can watch Fate/Zero?" - The original manga from Takagi-san has a very high average (8.27). You keep bringing this example again and again but the source material for this show is critically acclaimed (and the anime has a very good average as well). You are trying to talk about consensus but all you end up doing is talking about yourself with these examples. And that's a big issue with your thread.


Huh. You're right. See people? I am capable of agreeing. Alright, I'll use a better example next time, and I'll be sure to check the score of the SOURCE MATERIAL too.

jal90 said:
I haven't even watched Takagi-san. But I'm quite certain it is a show made for a different niche than Fate/Zero.


I wrote the OP assuming that peoples' tastes were very open. So I was wrong, I made a big mistake.

jal90 said:
And I have a lot more interest on watching this little series than on watching the entire Fateverse. Every example and comparison you make has similar problematic issues. You can't take mere statistic trends and throw them at individuals. You know that some of the highest-grossing films are stuff I have absolutely no interest to watch? Some I didn't even like? Each one knows their own tastes better than you are assuming, and I certainly know when I'm liking stuff and when I'm not, and whether I'm wasting my time or not is something I decide for myself, that concerns me and my own sphere of personal decision. Not you, and not certainly your stats, your consensus and your generalizations.


You're right. Again, my mistake

NihilisticLoner said:
Why is this idea of "keeping up with the discussion" so widespread, when almost NOBODY has any actual, meaningful, discussions?
For example, I haven't seen a single ep discussion on mal where people actually analyze a series they're currently watching. When people "discuss" on mal, all they do is ARGUE about whether the anime sucks or not.
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What is "condescending" about this post? All I did was express my opinion on "disucussions" by bringing up my own experiences
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OmegaSwampert said:

The part that gets to me is how he opened up the thread, saw what people were saying, then completely overwrote his original post in a manner that makes the thread completely inaccessible to users that didn't see it when it was first posted, seemingly just as a means of asserting what he was trying to say.


What was his original post? Does anybody have an SS?
May 24, 2018 10:00 AM

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The shows you watched as a kid/teenager during that time were regarded as seasonal shit, you do know that right?
but then, guess what, people didn't just move on and the fanbase still talks about it to this day
saying that this won't happen nowadays is just, dumb, and small minded
there will always be a new show that touches the hearts of many people, so what if it's similar to this other anime? what isn't? there are more than a million fictional stories in different forms and if a person decides to pick a story that is similar to one you like but in the end a different and new story, it's their choice
watch what you like
let them watch what they like
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NihilisticLoner said:
I wrote the OP assuming that peoples' tastes were very open. So I was wrong, I made a big mistake.

Oh, don't think of it that way. I am as well interested to a point on the Fateverse, and may end up watching it. But after a while watching anime and movies I tend to notice genres and ideas that I naturally gravitate towards more. I am more into the light slice of life than the heavy action, or more into psychological than body or classic monster horror, etc. Perhaps the exact same reasons that made you stop watching Yuru Camp after 8 minutes were the ones that grabbed me and drew me into its mood. It's personal preference and we shouldn't expect to match perfectly.

Anyway, the examples and comparisons don't matter much to that main point. It's actually the existence of examples and comparisons in the first place what doesn't help the point, because you bring a generalization to the specifics, which have their own considerations. I don't think it's a matter of looking for "better" examples, but rather that trying to develop your point through them is a flawed stance to begin with.

Regarding that part of your post I find condescending... I find a bit of a high horse in the idea of calling people out for not being constructive in discussions, from your position as the OP. I may be judging you wrong, but it's not something I feel... appropriate I guess. If you have no such intentions here, of course it is my bad.

Also, I'm glad to see that you are so open to reading other opinions, agreeing or further exploring your own points. That makes dynamics entertaining. I would suggest not to change the first post every time, because it's a bit more confusing than I think it should. But either way, it's cool. What I don't like is that you are showing too little self-confidence in your own wording. Your wording is fine and it has been for the entire thread. It's your line of thought and conclusions what are brought to discussion and challenged. So you shouldn't rely on "I'm terrible at conveying my opinions" all the time, I can understand why you would do this, but it is more harmful for discussion than you probably want it to be.
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NihilisticLoner said:

I will NEVER make a thread again where I respond to any of you guys' posts. Because when I do, I'm called stubborn, condescending, and someone who is not willing to agree with people because I don't spell it out.


Relax man, this is just natural to any human community to disagree more than to agree. When you’re trying to convince a group of people keep in mind that you’re going to actually handle disagreement of a percentage of that group.

For example, you have a group of 1000 people. 50% of them will agree, nod their heads and go away. 40% will disagree, but will go away anyway because the discussion will not be interesting to them. At the end you will left with 10% of those 1000 people who will disagree and they will do it LOUD. Because, you know, people feel it is wrong when someone have a different opinion and they’re trying to “fix” it even if they are actually wrong theirself.

So making a post like this there is no surprise that you will deal mostly with people who disagree.

I personally totally agree with your point, You’re just playing Captain Obvious for me, that’s why I will not say a word supporting your opinion. If we had a post rating system I would just press “+1” and that’s all.

Please, do not be upset by the “negative community reaction”. Vocal part is always the minority. But please, care about people who’re actually trying to have a discussion here once you have it started, it can be interesting sometimes. :D
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I wasn't gonna post anything but when I saw your username, I had to take some times of my life to tell you that it's a pretty fucking good one.

EDIT: in fact you will have watched all the possible animes that you could like at some point. so in new series, you may find hidden gems and shit like that, and most importantly NEW content. 1 episode is enough to know if you'll enjoy the anime most of the time tbh.
the fastest I've droped an anime was 17 secondes :P
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LoliconExtremist said:
Do you truly believe you've seen everything better than whatever garbage is showing rn? (There are so many classic mecha better than darling in the franxx)


Well, no. Of course not.

Also, I'm not saying DarXX is the most TOP-TIER Mecha anime show out there or anything. I simply enjoy it, so...
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jal90 said:
Regarding that part of your post I find condescending... I find a bit of a high horse in the idea of calling people out for not being constructive in discussions, from your position as the OP. I may be judging you wrong, but it's not something I feel... appropriate I guess. If you have no such intentions here, of course it is my bad.


Here is what I understand about the whole "keeping up with the community":

-Being part of the hype train
-Making theories
-Seeing a great anime bloom as it airs
-Just being part of a group

What I don't understand is discussing: People keep telling me that people do have meaningful discussions on mal, albeit few, but before I even had a mal account, I kept up with seeing discussions, and haven't seen any of those.
Because in MY OPINION a TRUE discussion isn't arguing; a true discussion is portraying different perspectives and exploring those perspectives...I don't know about you guys, but I don't see any of you do that. Arguing tends to be endless monologuging that repeats points. That's why you guys don't see me arguing about specific anime as much anymore.
I've seen a bunch of episode reviews, and nearly all of them are mainly just recaps. The things the reviewer DOES say about the ep is just something a billion other people have said.
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Why watch new anime when the CHANCES of enjoying critically acclaimed already-finished anime are much higher?

Uh, because people are stubborn.
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NihilisticLoner said:
jal90 said:
Regarding that part of your post I find condescending... I find a bit of a high horse in the idea of calling people out for not being constructive in discussions, from your position as the OP. I may be judging you wrong, but it's not something I feel... appropriate I guess. If you have no such intentions here, of course it is my bad.


Here is what I understand about the whole "keeping up with the community":

-Being part of the hype train
-Making theories
-Seeing a great anime bloom as it airs
-Just being part of a group

What I don't understand is discussing: People keep telling me that people do have meaningful discussions on mal, albeit few, but before I even had a mal account, I kept up with seeing discussions, and haven't seen any of those.
Because in MY OPINION a TRUE discussion isn't arguing; a true discussion is portraying different perspectives and exploring those perspectives...I don't know about you guys, but I don't see any of you do that. Arguing tends to be endless monologuging that repeats points. That's why you guys don't see me arguing about specific anime as much anymore.
I've seen a bunch of episode reviews, and nearly all of them are mainly just recaps. The things the reviewer DOES say about the ep is just something a billion other people have said.

You're definitely not wrong that MAL generally sets a very low bar for the level of discussion, even if there's definitely some fun to be had in flinging shit like monkeys too. I don't think anyone is saying this discussion needs to be happening specifically here though. There are plenty of places outside of MAL you could find to discuss anime, ones that are generally much better suited for relatively meaningful discourse, at that.
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I don't really care much about the score when finding new anime. I just pick one that looks interesting and see if I like it. It's more fun when you don't know what's gonna happen next, right?
May 24, 2018 12:11 PM
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Well I prefer to watch all. And Wotakoi which I just saw an episode from was perfect and is seasonal.



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