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Jan 7, 2018 4:19 PM
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Clearly, it's desirable, but what level of importance do we place on it compared to other aspects? Is it fair to say that the only anime worthy of being rated near the top of the pact are shows that do nearly everything well, including animation? Under what circumstances do shows manage to get away with cheap animation?

Personally, although the quality of animation in a show plays a big part in how much I enjoy it. I also really appreciate shows that manage to do a lot with a small budget. I particularly despise lazy "flash looking" animation. A big part of what makes anime great for me is the animation. I generally don't like watching something that's animated like family guy or south park but with characters drawn like anime.

Wanted to bring it up cause I see more and more lazy anime and very few that take my breath away like shows used to.

Jan 7, 2018 4:23 PM
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Maybe not so much animation quality, but art quality definitely plays a role in deciding to watch a show

I mean, something like Aldnoah.Zero with goodish art is more 'tempting' to watch than something like Air



Of course it isn't set in stone and even some shows like Clannad with questionable art is still enjoyable
Jan 7, 2018 4:46 PM
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Animation is an important aspect of anime, but it shouldn't be too big a problem unless it's on the extreme end of bad.

I'd like to put it this way, below average animation can make a bad show worse, but rarely a good show bad. Same applies for good animation, it can make a good show great, but rarely a bad show good.
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Jan 7, 2018 4:57 PM
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As long it's 480p I am fine.

Not sure that there are high and low budget anime nowadays. From what I've read from an animator interview they have pretty much the same budget, what makes the difference is the effort of the staff and the time available in order to be able to refute bad drawings.
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Jan 7, 2018 9:47 PM
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I donn't even notice the animation unless I'm really focused on it so to me it's really not important.
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Don't really care. Story and characters more important.
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Jan 7, 2018 9:49 PM
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As important as your personal preferences.
Jan 7, 2018 9:50 PM
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i think the style of art is more important than the actual quality of animation. I've seen some pretty crappy animations and it doesn't really bother me
Jan 7, 2018 9:51 PM
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It depends on the show, some place more emphasis on art-style than others. I'm fine with either one as long as the show is overall good.
Jan 7, 2018 9:59 PM

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it is important, but i have high tolerance... so i care, but i don't bother...
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Jan 7, 2018 10:18 PM

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Maybe it is because I come from the time of CRT monitors and TVs, but I couldn't care less about animation. I mean I can appreciate good stuff, but if I see some CGI, I'm not gonna go to MAL and create 50 threads with ''oh my god, the cgi hurts my eyes''. I'd rather they (studios), put the money into good writing.


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Jan 7, 2018 10:56 PM

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zal said:
As long it's 480p I am fine.
Basically this for me too, but this isn't really about animation quality itself, just picture resolution.

As for animation quality, I find that I do appreciate it when it's nice, e.g. Tales of Zestiria the X, though it's not an absolute requirement for me to enjoy a show. It's sort of like a nice thing that makes the show better, though -- I can watch and appreciate a show with really crappy CG animation (I already did with Voltron: the Third Dimension) but of course I'd like it to look nicer.

(NOTE: I do NOT consider CG to be inherently bad. Like everything else, it's all about how it's used.)

When it comes to unique animation and art styles, I tend to prefer something more standard, though not always.
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Jan 7, 2018 10:59 PM
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Animation is the defining aspect of animation. So if it's not used to tell a story, then the anime has serious issues, which, unfortunately, includes 99% of tv anime.

I'm still struggling to give a damn about sakuga, even after creating a thread about it.

I'm much more of an art guy: I can tell the most subtle differences between the artstyle of any anime, and give a critical opinion on it, so I value the art style more than the animation.
Jan 7, 2018 11:08 PM

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Depends on the anime. It's not a big deal with slice of life or non-action anime. For action and sports anime however, I'm a bit picky about it. One example is Knights of Sidonia. The animation is pretty choppy during dialogue and conversation scenes, but it is fast and fluid during action scenes. I don't mind the choppy animation during dialogue since its just characters talking because the animators put their time and effort into the scenes where the animation matters most: the action.
Jan 8, 2018 12:00 AM

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It depends on what you mean by "quality". If I really don't mind 90s animation I do hate 3D animation. And I think it can ruins an anime if they abuse of it.
Jan 8, 2018 12:08 AM

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Animation quality isn’t important to me. It’s consistency.
Jan 8, 2018 2:42 AM

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if it has cg, I drop it.
if it's animated like it should then i see no reason to drop it even if it looks like asshole
Jan 8, 2018 3:05 AM

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NOPE
I watch 360p
most of the time I do not get bad visual(example I saw no diff food wars s2 and 3.yet I see what happen J.C staff etc)
Also this CGI hate
I too prefer 2D animation but bit of CGI is okay.
But I can appreciate good animation


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Jan 8, 2018 3:12 AM

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if a show is good then its not such a big issue
also booooo to CGI
Jan 8, 2018 3:25 AM
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I'm more of a "consistancy" kind of gal. It doesn't need to be flashy or even be the most techniqual advace thing but as long as there isn't a deep drop every so often I don't care. I usually place story and design/style above it.
Jan 8, 2018 3:26 AM

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Quite i guess i mean there are reason anime - animation.
If it doesn't animate then might as well reading and playing VN.
Jan 8, 2018 3:29 AM

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Animation isn't the most important thing but can lower my enjoyment.

As an example, while watching Kiznaiver I was distracted many times by characters that would appear and disappear like it was nothing.
It felt like Gomorins stole half of the frames from random moments. Few times I had to rewind back to read subtitles because of this "moment of surprise".
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Jan 8, 2018 3:34 AM

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Depends what sort of show it is. Kodocha just plain doesn't need good animation, Fate/Zero would still be good, but not as good if it had poor animation, K-ON absolutely relies on the quality of its animation.
Jan 8, 2018 3:45 AM
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Anime is a visual medium so Animation and Art is pretty important but if the the story is really good then it doesn't hurt the watchablity that much
Jan 8, 2018 4:06 AM

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Animation and Art are important, but their weight of it's importance depends on the type of show.

For example, animation is pretty important in a Battle-Shounen since fast scenes and high quality fight scenes are a must. But it's not important in a Comedy-Slice of Life where only the jokes and cuteness are important.
Jan 8, 2018 5:12 AM

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30% of the enjoyment and score.

A good animation can't fix a lacking story, characters, world building, and execution.
But while a bad animation could make it harder to watch an otherwise good show, it's never so much important to make me not watch a good show.

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Jan 8, 2018 6:14 AM

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Well, animation quality and visuals are definitely more important than a lot of people think. Because this is animation, the whole link between the show and the viewer is created through the artwork. It sets the mood and atmosphere, defines how easily we can connect with characters and is the one thing that makes us able to see and share their emotions and everything. It is 90% of the presentation of an anime and therefore of vital importance whether people acknowledge it or not. But of course that's the visuals as a whole, animation quality is just one part of that and arguable not one of the most important ones (like designs and backgrounds). You can provide a pretty functional anime even with very mediocre animation. To some degree that is the whole point of the medium.

So do I require good animation to enjoy something? Absolutely not. The general artstyle, designs and backgrounds are probably more impactful for my enjoyment than animation quality as long as it doesn't drop below a minimal level. But does good animation make something way more awesome and easier to appreciate and improves my enjoyment? Absolutely. I'm not into animation because I don't care about animation. I love animation and I love good animation but not just because it looks great but also because it's fucking impressing to me. Great animation or great visuals can definitely make me feel much more positive about a series. But their absence won't make me feel negative about it, just neutral. It's something I love when I get it, but I don't require it to appreciate a show.

The way animation and visuals usually impact my score is that shows with really amazing visuals will get a +1 score compared to what I'd given it just based on the characters and story. I almost never rate something lower for bad or mediocre animation unless it's reaching legendary levels of bad like some of the bottom 100 titles.
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Jan 8, 2018 6:17 AM

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I'd say consistent art quality is pretty important. If I notice too many quality drops in an episode it kinda throws me off and it starts to annoy me.
Jan 8, 2018 6:20 AM
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greatly depends on the anime.
like for instance, devilman crybaby. i probably wouldn't have even finished it if it didn't have great animation.
but it having great animation made it greatly enjoyable for me, where if other anime had just as good animation i wouldn't give a fuck.
Jan 8, 2018 6:49 AM

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I dunno but seriously, when I watched Koufuku Graffiti, I think SHAFT delivered a very warm storytelling of siblings that, each passing minute, gets closer and closer as they dive into the happiness and glorious taste of food, not as ecchi as SnS; but the feeling of the animation is very vivid to the point of you'll feel relaxed and just mesmerized by how the characters enjoy their daily lives of eating food and, at the same time having that relationship/bonds be stronger than ever.

In my opinion, it is not that important, although it has to deliver what the story wants to get to the audience, like what Koufuku Graffiti felt like when I'm watching it.
Jan 8, 2018 6:50 AM

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It's half-half for me. I don't fully care if the animation is not that great but there are times that I care. Animation like Kimi no Iru Machi and Fate/stay night only bothered me a bit but I enjoyed Kimi no Iru Machi despite the mediocre animation. But enjoyment is the most important when watching anime.

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Jan 8, 2018 6:51 AM

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It's half-half for me. I don't fully care if the animation is not that great but there are times that I care. Animation like Kimi no Iru Machi and Fate/stay night 2006 only bothered me a bit but I enjoyed Kimi no Iru Machi despite the mediocre animation and the Fate/stay night 2006 is not that bad in my opinion. But enjoyment is the most important when watching anime.

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Jan 8, 2018 6:55 AM

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Considering how the animation quality in anime is all over the place, even within the same series, it doesn't matter to me much. I think character design is more important.
Jan 8, 2018 6:56 AM

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Plot>Characters>Sound>Animation

Great Animation is just a bonus for me, the sound for me is more important than the animation, but it's certain that the appeal of the animation plays a big factor in the anime.

Example: Berserk
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Jan 8, 2018 7:17 AM

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Usually it's irrelevant for me, I only ever take note of it if it's extremely bad/low budget or if it's extremely beautiful. There have been a couple anime that I've been interested in/kept going for just because it looked so good, though.
Jan 8, 2018 7:30 AM

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It's definitely welcome, but it's honestly one of the things I value the least, an anime that looks amazing but I don't like will still be bad anyways.
Jan 8, 2018 8:42 AM

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I use to refuse to watch anything with mediocre art, but then I watched Ajin and Kaiji: Ultimate Survivor, and realized anime can still be good even with unappealing art.
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Jan 8, 2018 10:23 AM
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It is important to a point since it is a visual medium.

However it doesn't mean it is the end all be all of what makes an anime good.

Take for example Net-juu no Susume, it's not animated in a way that looks super detailed but fits what the series itself is going for. It doesn't need to be hyper smooth nor as well animated as a fight scene in My Hero Academia.

It's still really solid because the art direction is done well and the series has a great story to go with it. It doesn't need a large budget and to be animated with top tier animation.

Then on the flip side you get X/1999. Now the one thing people give this movie is that the animation is really dang good. And it is, it's the only reason I didn't give it a 1/10, because the animation is really solid. The problem is that the story is an incoherent mess, with characters that most people have a really hard relating to or finding interesting because it's such a mess of a movie.

It looks really well animated but that's all it's got and if that is the case why bother?
Jan 8, 2018 10:25 AM

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I don't really care. It's not something I notice unless it's very distinct/different (Ghibli films, Made in Abyss), or if it's very bad.
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Jan 8, 2018 10:54 AM

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I do like anime with better quality (who wouldn't), but that said I wouldn't demand animation quality from anime. As long as it don't bother me I don't think it's that important, if the quality is like episodes 7 & 8 of Juuni Taisen, than it matters.
Jan 8, 2018 11:17 AM

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It matters, but there are a lot more if we're talking about visuals in general.
An action scene won't be good if the scenes are "lagging" and lacking movement to engage you, what will affect the experience. On the other hand, how much does a "amazing sakuga" matter if everything on the screen is falling apart? I believe that a good balance between animation and consistency is the ideal.
Also, the art-style and soundtrack will affect how the visuals affect you, so an art-style that captures the overall atmosphere and themes of the show and a good soundtrack are also important.
Jan 8, 2018 4:39 PM

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Depends on the anime. It's not a big deal with slice of life or non-action anime. For action and sports anime however, I'm a bit picky about it. One example is Knights of Sidonia. The animation is pretty choppy during dialogue and conversation scenes, but it is fast and fluid during action scenes. I don't mind the choppy animation during dialogue since its just characters talking because the animators put their time and effort into the scenes where the animation matters most: the action.


I don't see many people praising knights of Sidonia. I there's some prejudice due it being cgi and attached to netflix. I'm a fan though.
Jan 8, 2018 4:46 PM

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If the show is enjoyable, I can overlook the animation quality such as South Park. Masterpiece
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It depends on what you mean by "quality". If I really don't mind 90s animation I do hate 3D animation. And I think it can ruins an anime if they abuse of it.


Many would argue that 90's animation is considerably higher quality than most modern anime.
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I'm in it for the story and characters, so I don't care too much about how it looks. Good animation is like the icing on a cake, it superficially improves the appearance. When I'm rating things it would fall under technical aspects which contains a number of other things like music, pacing, etc. and all of them together would only be worth around 2/10ths of the score.
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It's pretty damn important for certain anime, notably those that have high actions or battles. So the answer is it depends on the genre and your own preference. For one, I think story is the most important factor in an anime, with characters coming in second. A good quality animation can definitely bring out a lot more enjoyment though as it can more engaging and doesn't feel like a boring slideshow. I already say battle anime should take animation into more consideration but slice-of-life or comedy doesn't really need anything high quality, just something that can be enjoyable enough. Movie however, needs to have an animation quality that surpasses anime series.
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Can we please never rotoscope anime again

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CatSoul said:
Can we please never rotoscope anime again



Can we please have more rotoscope anime






Rotoscoping is an awesome technique that allows for very fluid and realistic animation. Just because you didn't like the character designs of the Aku no Hana anime doesn't mean rotoscoping as a whole isn't a great technique.
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