| Ok, but dude you're late like two weeks. Just let it go. |
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| As far as I know, ecchi is simply a genre comprised of light sexual tones and/or innuendoes, usually for comedy purposes. Take a look at Keijo, Food Wars, and Kill la Kill. They don't try to arouse the viewer, but rather create a unique and balls to the wall experience you won't get from other genres, especially hentai. The REAL problem with ecchi in my eyes is that too many shows are made in such a way that they might as well just go full hentai. An example of this would be Something-something Testament or whatever the hell it's called. Honestly, that show is pretty much full-blown porn with an ecchi tag slapped on it, and is just downright insulting as a result. In those cases, you really are better off watching hentai, no questions asked. @Darek Wait, what? I...don't understand. What am I starting? ._. |
AltoRoarkNov 12, 2017 3:24 PM
ThatCynicalOtaku said: @Manaban I think I've found your spirit animal yo xDIn the opening scene of Monster Musume, a half-snake girl is cuddled next to the main character, shoving his face into her boobs. It's hot. It's erotic. But it's also not straight-up porn. I want more ecchi anime to be like this: I want to see ecchi anime where the girls straight-up dominate the guy in these EXTREME, sexual situations. I want to see an ecchi anime where the girls force the guy to lick them. I want to see MORE than just cheap, generic, boob/ass/panty shots. I want to see ecchi anime go up-and-beyond, while still retaining within the boundaries, of SOFT-core porn. Low key surprised to see ShadowACS be named dropped assumed he was forgotten |
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| There is no problem with ecchi anime. There is a problem with people bitching about it. |
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| So, you want hentai but without sex on it? |
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| Ah, so you basically want the genre to kick it up a notch. Something of a next level between regular ecchi and hentai. |
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| OP gets out here and just begins telling it like it is <3 Though I should note that I actually don't have a problem by and large with the kind of ecchi he's complaining about, it's perfectly great in its own right. MAL's asinine and seemingly random way of handling what's considered an ecchi in the database is probably the #1 culprit there, given how it can fuck with my expectations of how much of something I'll be getting whenever there's stuff that's pretty clearly not-ecchi but has a few fanservice scenes in there being tagged as such. |
ManabanNov 12, 2017 3:21 PM
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| Well yes ecchi is often too tame to actually fulfill its own intentions. Not that all ecchi is actually made to be hot mind you (can also be for romantic intimacy or comedy for example), but when it's solely there as eye candy then if it's not intense enough to actually be arousing... then it doesn't really accomplish much This is largely why I tend to heavily dislike action + ecchi as a combination because the idea of random bouncing tits in the middle of a supposedly serious fight and basically nothing else is just dumb. No way in hell I would get turned on by that, and in that case what's the point? If you're gonna do ecchi for the sake of being lewd then yeah I think it's much better to go to the extreme like Kiss x Sis or To LOVE-Ru Darkness for example where it's actually pretty damn sexy tl;dr - atmosphere is key |
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ThatCynicalOtaku said: hmmmm but Girls Bravo is a comedy and Id say its ecchi is more so there to be funny.Anime like Monster Musume, Girls Bravo, I'd classify as actual ecchi, because those are actually meant to make you horny.  I laughed most of the time at least  the same for Monster Musume but yes I can understand why people would find it hot well because it is hot Suu best girl btw  |
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AltoRoark said: As far as I know, ecchi is simply a genre comprised of light sexual tones and/or innuendoes, usually for comedy purposes. Take a look at Keijo, Food Wars, and Kill la Kill. They don't try to arouse the viewer, but rather create a unique and balls to the wall experience you won't get from other genres, especially hentai. The REAL problem with ecchi in my eyes is that too many shows are made in such a way that they might as well just go full hentai. An example of this would be Something-something Testament or whatever the hell it's called. Honestly, that show is pretty much full-blown porn with an ecchi tag slapped on it, and is just downright insulting as a result. In those cases, you really are better off watching hentai, no questions asked. @Darek Wait, what? I...don't understand. What am I starting? ._. Actually no, the Testament type is far superior since it actually completes the purpose of ecchi. Light ecchi shows just tease you pointlessly (think Highschool DxD) and are weak as a result. And there aren't any hentai with the same production values so you are not better off watching that anyway |
| I mean in a perfect world we would have the production value and characterization of an ecchi show but with the intensity and contents of a hentai. Buuut unfortunately that can only be found in eroge (hence why eroge is generally better in general) |
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| @Darek Actually,... there is some value in having light arousing content in ecchi shows, like a shower scene. Hell, I'm sure plenty of viewers get turned on by the likes of Keijo, Food Wars, and whatnot. But if that's what you're going for then you gotta have something on the side to keep your show afloat, and not just emulate the same experience you can get from at sexy posters. |
AmMar-Sama said: Man you should of posted this while saying that Your argument is invalid because panty-shots are objectively superior to all other forms of ecchi.  |
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but man in the manga they have a jiangshi for like, a very short while  i mean naturally i hear that she's barely there, otherwise it wouldn't be a character i have the potential to like i guess given my luck, but damn those legs anime is in desperate need of more jiangshi girls in general |
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Manaban said: Ive told you man if you want Jiangshi girl you need to read Rosario to Vampirebut man in the manga they have a jiangshi for like, a very short while i mean naturally i hear that she's barely there, otherwise it wouldn't be a character i have the potential to like i guess given my luck, but damn those legs anime is in desperate need of more jiangshi girls in general no prob @AmMar-Sama |
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Deknijff said: AmMar-Sama said: Man you should of posted this while saying that Your argument is invalid because panty-shots are objectively superior to all other forms of ecchi. Oh come on, none of those panties are remotely sexy. Give me black or navy blue lingerie! |
AltoRoark said: As far as I know, ecchi is simply a genre comprised of light sexual tones and/or innuendoes, usually for comedy purposes. Take a look at Keijo, Food Wars, and Kill la Kill. They don't try to arouse the viewer, but rather create a unique and balls to the wall experience you won't get from other genres, especially hentai. Apparently you don't know as much as you thought. Without getting into the debate of ecchi as a genre or not, ecchi is not "simply" light sexual tones/innuendoes for comedy. Granted, many times it is used for comedy, but it is not limited to that. take for instance Skirt no Naka wa Kedamono Deshita. Pushing ecchi to the limits and literally riding the line of hentai. None of the ecchi scenes were for comedy. AltoRoark said: The REAL problem with ecchi in my eyes is that too many shows are made in such a way that they might as well just go full hentai. An example of this would be Something-something Testament or whatever the hell it's called. Honestly, that show is pretty much full-blown porn with an ecchi tag slapped on it, and is just downright insulting as a result. In those cases, you really are better off watching hentai, no questions asked. Testament is nowhere even close to being "full-blown" porn, if anything, the above-mentioned show would be. With Testament, the ecchi scenes are mostly on purpose, rather than the common "accidental" viewing/fondling often used. Due to the succubus pact, to put it plainly, Mio has to be brought to the heights of arousal/orgasm whenever she rebels/disobeys her master, in order to alleviate the effects of the curse. In standard fare hentai, she'd be given a dose of the D, but in Testament they don't go that far, and accomplish the same end result with foreplay.. things like fondling, caressing or sucking. There's nothing "insulting" about it. KushHaze said: There is no problem with ecchi anime. There is a problem with people bitching about it. Close enough. |
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| @ThatCynicalOtaku nah man it's less important about what they're wearing and what's more important is how it's shown and how much detail is in it, different girls wear different kinds of panties and all and it'd be weird for some girls to be wearing lingerie under every day clothes, though that depends largely on their personality and stuff but that's a whole different diatribe like what i'm saying is that I'd call this one:  much better than this one:  and even if the top one stayed the same, while you changed the bottom one to lingerie but kept everything else the same, i'd argue that the top one would still be the better shot y'know? |
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| ^ ye low angles and being able to trace the outline of the pussy lips through the cloth are always big plusses, regardless of pantsu design |
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| I'm sort of the middle ground with ecchi honestly. Sometimes, I would watch an a show with ecchi elements (Food Wars, Kill la Kill, etc) but I would be more focused on it's plot instead and the ecchi would be afterthought. So if anything I don't consider them as true ecchi At the same time, I would watch extreme ecchi shows and b aroused by them. In order to aroused by them, it has to be convincing and honest (Kiss X Sis, Highschool DxD). However, if that's the only thing that is going for then what's the point of watching it, just watch hentai. |
HaXXspetten said: I mean in a perfect world we would have the production value and characterization of an ecchi show but with the intensity and contents of a hentai. Buuut unfortunately that can only be found in eroge (hence why eroge is generally better in general) Rip hopes and dreams of a better future. |
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| I think the problem with ecchi anime nowadays is that it's very low quality, like the creators didn't put any effort in making the anime. Take Hajimete no Gal for example. I know many people loved it but the art and animation was really bare bones, almost like it was from a bad hentai. It was hard for me to find that anime erotic when the characters were so badly drawn. If you compare that anime to a ecchi anime like Seikon no Qwaser or Monster Musume, you'll see that Hajimete no Gal was a very low quality ecchi anime. At least the upcoming season of High School DxD looks like it has decent animation, despite having different art. |
| This thread is pretty entertaining. MAL's gathering of ecchi fans united. |
| What's your rush now? Everyone will have his day to die. |
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alfondx12 said: I dropped that after ep8, which was the beach episode (it's only 10 episodes!)... very disappointing. The first episode was like "woah!"... but then it was barely ecchi after that. If you are going to be ecchi, BE ECCHI!Take Hajimete no Gal for example. |
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BurntJelly said: alfondx12 said: I dropped that after ep8, which was the beach episode (it's only 10 episodes!)... very disappointing. The first episode was like "woah!"... but then it was barely ecchi after that. If you are going to be ecchi, BE ECCHI!Take Hajimete no Gal for example. I love pure gyaru characters like Yukana and Galko so I was hyped up for it but it turned out to be really disappointing.. It was also pretty tame, there was no point in watching the "uncensored" versions. |
| no.. this is not the actual problem with ecchi anime you're basically saying THIS DOESN'T SATISFY ME so its an issue with you and people like you the "issues" you named are the things people like me like.. you're basically saying you want more borderline hentai ecchi, which not everyone wants. for many, seeing an ass fill 1/2 the screen out of nowhere in an anime is hotter than a hentai where you expect that kind of stuff same with pantyshots, boob jiggles, etc.. some people are far more turned on by surprise factor or teasing, which is one of the main things ecchi tends to play on, not everyone cares about self insert |
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EcchiKingMamster said: no.. this is not the actual problem with ecchi anime you're basically saying THIS DOESN'T SATISFY ME so its an issue with you and people like you the "issues" you named are the things people like me like.. you're basically saying you want more borderline hentai ecchi, which not everyone wants. for many, seeing an ass fill 1/2 the screen out of nowhere in an anime is hotter than a hentai where you expect that kind of stuff same with pantyshots, boob jiggles, etc.. some people are far more turned on by surprise factor or teasing, which is one of the main things ecchi tends to play on, not everyone cares about self insert I didn't just say that I want more of what I personally want. I said that ecchi lacks VARIETY. Throwing the exact same panty/boob/ass shots on the screen 100 times becomes an actual cliche. I also did mention the surprise factor and teasing common in ecchi. But I never mentioned anything about self-inserts. Manaban said: @ThatCynicalOtaku nah man it's less important about what they're wearing and what's more important is how it's shown and how much detail is in it, different girls wear different kinds of panties and all and it'd be weird for some girls to be wearing lingerie under every day clothes, though that depends largely on their personality and stuff but that's a whole different diatribe like what i'm saying is that I'd call this one: much better than this one: and even if the top one stayed the same, while you changed the bottom one to lingerie but kept everything else the same, i'd argue that the top one would still be the better shot y'know? Interesting. I never thought of panty shots in that way. Still, white panties aren't really my thing. It doesn't have to be lingerie. A plain, purple pantsu, perfectly hits the line between being fabulous, cute, and sexy. But I hate pink panties. Pink is for lolis. |
ThatCynicalOtaku said: EcchiKingMamster said: no.. this is not the actual problem with ecchi anime you're basically saying THIS DOESN'T SATISFY ME so its an issue with you and people like you the "issues" you named are the things people like me like.. you're basically saying you want more borderline hentai ecchi, which not everyone wants. for many, seeing an ass fill 1/2 the screen out of nowhere in an anime is hotter than a hentai where you expect that kind of stuff same with pantyshots, boob jiggles, etc.. some people are far more turned on by surprise factor or teasing, which is one of the main things ecchi tends to play on, not everyone cares about self insert I didn't just say that I want more of what I personally want. I said that ecchi lacks VARIETY. Throwing the exact same panty/boob/ass shots on the screen 100 times becomes an actual cliche. I also did mention the surprise factor and teasing common in ecchi. But I never mentioned anything about self-inserts. it doesn't lack any more variety than anything else in anime... so i don't see how seeing similar fanservice over and over is anything more notable to bring up than anything else in anime, especially when all that matters is whether or not its hot and or fappable, which for me, it is and you said you want the male character to be dominated by the female.. is that not for self insert fantasy? |
EcchiGodMamsterNov 12, 2017 10:18 PM
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ThatCynicalOtaku said: EcchiKingMamster said: it doesn't lack any more variety than anything else in anime... so i don't see how seeing similar fanservice over and over is anything more notable to bring up than anything else in anime, especially when all that matters is whether or not its hot and or fappable, which for me, its and you said you want the male character to be dominated by the female.. is that not for self insert fantasy? Ecchi anime can put licking fetishes, s&m, other things. I read at least 2 hours of hentai manga every day. The art of arousing the audience, isn't just about flashing boobs and panties. Trust me, when you become a hardcore porn reader like me, your standards will increase by a LOT. A character does NOT need to be bland, for them to fulfill my being-dominated-by-a-girl fantasy. ok.. well you have hentai.. why does ecchi have to meet those standards? |
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| i agree 100%. i'd love to see ero scenes go even further |
| I think a better analogy would be the difference between drinking beer and drinking hard liquor. Some people like things for the full flavour of everything it has to offer and others are just look for mental effects it gives to them. They're made for different reasons and while many may enjoy both many others will stick to one and look down on the people who only consume the other. I'm not much of an ecchi fan but I can say for certain that there have been a lot of ecchi anime I've enjoyed because they didn't go that far. They go far enough to give you an erection and that's all the fanservice scenes really need to do. After that you can just sit back and enjoy the hot girls doing hot things around the average looking guy you know is meant to be a stand-in for yourself. After all, ecchi isn't just watered down hentai, it has a lot of substance that you simply can't find in hentai. Some like milk in their coffee, others prefer cream and someone who prefers cream shouldn't be thinking "milk is fine, but half and half is the only real way to go if you aren't drinking it with full cream". Ecchi doesn't need to be closer to the "real thing", it is its own thing. People will even complain when ecchi anime go too far. Just let people like what they like or ask for recommendations on borderline hentai anime when you want something in between. |
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| I think I've seen the actual problem with Ecchi/fanservice threads already given that, well I've seen it almost every week since I was active. Anyway, anyway aside from that; the actual problem with Ecchi anime in general is probably those users that expect too much of +2dee6me plot or some +good characterization bullshit, so to sum it up; pretty much it I guess :/ I summon thee @EcchiKingMamster to blow up this thread into pieces; likely @Manaban will also enjoy this one xD Ehh... @SuperRed and @Illyricus? Ohhh well, my job is done here.... Hope you enjoy the thread everyone! Tencent__Weeb said: Can I get Tl;dr. Since I ain't reading all of that Ehhh... The previous "Ecchi/fanservice" thread around last week is pretty much a good TL;DR if you ask me. |
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AltoRoark said: I don't think you're watching ecchi for the same reason as most of the people here, and I think everyone has a different idea of "the real problem" if they do have a problem with it. For me, it's not hot most of the time. Take monogatari fan service, pack into a higher density and make it more explicit while still retaining it's quality and boom, quality ecchi right there. The real problem with ecchi is the same problem with nearly everything, most of it's bad. How many terrible sitcoms or battle shonens have you seen? More specific to ecchi I'd agree with OP that's not explicit enough. Panty shots are boring.As far as I know, ecchi is simply a genre comprised of light sexual tones and/or innuendoes, usually for comedy purposes. Take a look at Keijo, Food Wars, and Kill la Kill. They don't try to arouse the viewer, but rather create a unique and balls to the wall experience you won't get from other genres, especially hentai. The REAL problem with ecchi in my eyes is that too many shows are made in such a way that they might as well just go full hentai. An example of this would be Something-something Testament or whatever the hell it's called. Honestly, that show is pretty much full-blown porn with an ecchi tag slapped on it, and is just downright insulting as a result. In those cases, you really are better off watching hentai, no questions asked. @Darek Wait, what? I...don't understand. What am I starting? ._. |
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Chikipichi said: Well let's be real, in many cases the so-called plot of an ecchi anime just feels like something thrown in so that the author can say "t-there's so much more than just tits and asses in my manga, I promise" whenever the SJWs come knocking. They're very rarely what you actually watch the show for, and a lot of the time I just wish whatever serious elements the story may have would disappear altogether and be replaced by more ecchi scenes as that's clearly the real selling point of the showThe problem is the elitists only focusing on the fan service and not the plot, therefore making them say there is no plot to the story. Not saying that ecchi anime can't have good stories though because there are some cases of that (like No Game No Life for example) but it's not super common |
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