| https://twitter.com/YonkouProd/status/913633340514639872 Ohh, guess I'm not reading the manga then. Never stop going beyond! |
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TripleSRank said: Okay, turned the page and RIP. Took awhile to write out this reply though because of irl stuff. @Pullman I never wanted you to literally force yourself through Heartcatch if you weren't enjoying yourself that much; I wouldn't want anyone to do that with any anime I liked, even if it's a favorite of mine. I was checking your score periodically over the course your watch of the anime and it seemed like you legit liked it for awhile and took a small dip but still liked it toward the end, so I had no idea this was coming. I don't think I've ever explicitly told you since I think I annoyed you once in AD with Sailor Moon shilling and you always seemed kinda touchy about mahou shoujo whenever it came up afterwards too, but I had thought before that Heartcatch would probably be the perfect anime for you to try to give classical mahou shoujo a chance, so I definitely do believe you that the majority of the genre isn't for you, now. Stuff like Sailor Moon might have a lot more meat overall, but the repetition/pacing is just as bad or worse and you probably couldn't appreciate what it has to offer because of that. So yeah. I do still think you might like Cardcaptor Sakura since it forgoes a plot focus to be essentially SOL, and you can legit tell if you'll like it in ~three episodes, but otherwise I don't think there are any classic mahou shoujo I would recommend to you based on that reaction. The formulaic nature of the genre simply doesn't bother me in the same way it does you, it seems. Heartcatch's pacing with the plot is actually pretty fast/dense within classical examples of the genre. (Heartcatch spoilers henceforth if anyone else is reading this.) As for Heartcatch itself, to give you better context for why I like it so much and keeping in mind that the forumlaic aspects that bothered you don't bother me nearly as much, the things I like about Heartcatch are the characterization, the battle shounen-esque plot escalation, and the action. Near the beginning I thought Tsubomi and Erika were a fine duo, with Erika in particular adding a lot of fun to the individual episodes with her spunkiness. Even back then I enjoyed the action as well; aside from seeing all of the transformations and finishers for the first time (esp. the first dual fortissimo) I thought the way the fisticuffs played out was fun to watch and varied enough to stay interesting. I also liked that the enemies seemed to pose a genuine threat with Dark Precure in a sort of Matrix agent style of role, where early on they were doomed to lose whenever she showed up. To me it gave legitimacy to the combat and helped with the sense of tension. I also thought a number of the individual episodes were good/fun even standalone, such as the episode concerning the two girls and their dead parent or the one where the girls had to fight dozens of Desertarians at once. I was also involved a bit in trying to figure out who the mystery man was. The stretch of episodes up to Cure Sunshine's reveal dragged a bit imo, but it wasn't too bad. As for Itsuki... believe it or not I never cared for Itsuki as much, and to a certain extent I thought she wasn't even needed in the show since her only role seemed to be to provide a shield and some extra combat experience to the group. Like, her intro episode and the follow up fights with Dark Precure and the generals were awesome since it demonstrated a shift in the balance of power (where previously the generals were equals and Dark Precure was wholly superior), but otherwise I didn't think she contributed much to the group chemistry, and I wasn't all that interested in her struggle to embrace her feminine side beyond the episode that came way way before her status as a Cure when her grandpa gave her the okay to do things other than the fighting dojo. I loved Yuri's contribution to the show, on the other hand. Other than serving as a walking threat legitimizer since Dark Precure had already defeated her, I found the general tragedy of her character to be pretty poignant, and as such I didn't hold her bitterness against her. Where most mahou shoujo go everything or nothing on whether being a mahou shoujo sucks, in Heartcatch Yuri basically carried all of the "being a mahou shoujo sucks" by herself so that the rest of the group didn't have to deal with it. I thought her comeback was fully justified (with the choice to leave her fairy dead appropriate) since the show had already gone out of its way for so long to emphasize that the current Cures were genuinely outclassed due to lack of experience. I think the idea that there's no way the girls would have fully won in the end without someone as experienced as Moonlight is completely legitimate and contrary to what you might see in a lot of battle shounen and such where the power of will/friendship/love/whatever alone is enough to carry you through; here there's a sense of limits to that even though the aforementioned is powerful. And it's through Yuri that Heartcatch left it's most mature message. Let me explain. Yuri never gained anything through what happened in the show. She lost her dad, became a Cure and got her fairy killed-- she completely failed-- and when she finally did come back she discovered that her dad himself was indirectly the source of her pain, and she ended up watching him die anyway after attempting to redeem himself. That's pretty brutal for this sort of show, and it reiterates that idea that there are limits to the power of will/friendship/love/etc. (an idea that is only played out with Yuri as the oldest and most mature member of the cast), and when you fail or suffer loss there's not always a fix. You just have to learn to live with it and move on. In addition to Dark Precure herself being a tragic character in the end given her Fullmetal-Alchemist-style existence, Moonlght's tragedy in general has stuck with me a lot and is probably the reason the series is in my favorites in addition to being rated highly. But yeah, even though I didn't care so much for Sunshine specifically, I felt like the show was a rising cresendo of awesome action-wise and plot-wise after her reveal. The lore with the ancient Precure castle and the Great Heart Tree was genuinely cool, the characterization was on-point all around, the threat of the enemy felt legitimate, and the action was awesome (particularly during all of the big battles between Cures and the generals/Dark Precure/Dune). The individual episodes did have some misses on occasion but were varied enough to keep me content during the interludes between major developments, and after the half way point with Sunshine the ratio of significant episodes to standalone basically inverted with far more important episodes than "unimportant" ones. So I was thoroughly satisfied and had a ton of fun all around, to the point that I've thought to myself if I was in some theoretical scenario where I was tasked with creating a kids show, I'd want it be exactly something in this vein, I enjoyed it so much. As for the formula itself, I don't really see it as that much different than the challenge of the week in something like Gundam, and we've already unsuccessfully tried to talk about transformation sequences and such, so eh. I don't mind talking about that more if you want to discuss it/vent more, but I don't think there's much we're going to come to agree on there since I still don't really get the disdain myself, and it's not like I can impart my take on it to you either. I do wonder if you would have ended up more liking Heartcatch than disliking it in the end had you liked Yuri's character, but eh. Maybe it just wasn't meant to be. Yeah you didn't force me, I just got curious because of all the shilling, not just from you but also from Nid in Skype (he did it long before you even got into mahou shoujo) but yeah the repetition just killed me and if I can't even concentrate long enough without getting bored it's care to give a shit about anything that happens, especially when the 'most important' character is one I dislike. I think the show would have been fine for 1-cour or 2-cour but at least half of it was just episodical mediocrity that tested my patience. There's just too little plot and worst of all too little characters for 50 episodes. It really, REALLY annoyed me that they recycled through the same antagonists like 10 or 15 times, that's some of the cheapest shit I've ever seen tbh. It costs so little effort to bring some variety to the fights just in terms of their enemies, but nope, there needed to be EVEN MORE repetition. It's stuff like that that I just can't forgive or tolerate, I just see zero upside and major downsides to that kind of approach. It's just lazy and boring to me. I didn't hate it from the start and as I said I was really trying to stay positive about it and it worked until at least ep 35 or even 40 but eventually it just felt like such a chore that I abandoned my positivity because the only way I was gonna get through those final episodes was with a lot of cynicism and irony ^^. I don't really adjust my ratings too regularly and I still don't think it was a horrible show so I only gave it 5/10. It's more like it made me realize that no matter how 'good' a mahou shoujo anime is I just find everything about them so basic and boring and trite that the quality almost doesn't matter for my enjoyment. Like with mecha, if the basic battle system is boring pew pew power levels, no matter how well you animate the fights they are always gonna be conceptually boring and never feel like a real threat. If the characters are not great or compelling and only get development every 10 or 15 episodes and their designs are meh too, no matter how interesting the plot twists and the drama at the end, I'm not gonna care. Etc... Quality only matters once you are able to latch onto ANYTHING in the show, but there just was nothing for me to latch onto except maybe Sunshine cause I love my loli tomboy kind of characters. But aside from that there was nothing that specificially appealed to me, catered to any of my numerous preferences or biases, which is super rare in ANY kind of anime. I find more enjoyable aspects in crappy shows like Vatican Miracle Examiners or Tenshi no 3P and at the end of the day quality without enjoyment is useless. But I also thought that people probably recommend Heartcatch because it's more serious and dramatic but I think that makes it possibly the worst choice because I just can't take mahou shoujo seriously plotwise, dramawise or in terms of threat levels as you mentioned (since the power levels are so arbitrarily adjustable whenever the plot demands it, there is never any sense of any threat to me), at leats not based on this experience. It was all pretty flat and basic, and I honestly think that I'd have had a better chance at liking a mahou shoujo that embraces its own stupidity and goofiness instead of trying to be deep and plot twisting when it just doesn't have interesting enough characters or writing for that to work. The 'fun energy' was there in the beginning, but it didn't last through all the repetition and mediocre drama. It didn't feel like the show was embracing that side of it, otherwise it might have been more fun. I definitely also liked the slice of life parts a million times more than any action the show had (just like with most mecha I watch) so going more down that route could also work. But I'm kinda traumatized so I'm not gonna consider watching any other traditional mahou shoujo until, idk, 2025 :>. Not gonna comment on all your comparisons to One Piece or TTGL since I like every single one of these shows a million times more than anything that happened in Heartcatch. But I'll say that I have a hard time imagining Sailor Moon, or ANYTHING for that matter to be even less interesting in terms of fights than Heartcatch. I think that's gonna be the same level of uninterestingness for pretty much all mahou shoujo since the way they fight is just utterly boring pew pew beam battles with adjustable power levels. Sadly, it doesn't really make a difference to me whether the sakuga are amazing or not when the whole concept and battle system just bores me so much. I honestly enjoy those precure sakuga more if you just link me to them without context, than I'd be ever able to enjoy them in their respective shows xD. |
AlcoholicideSep 29, 2017 2:49 AM
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tsuyokunaru said: ReaperCreeper said: The amount of alerts I've been getting today for anime added to the db. I went ahead and turned off those notifications because there were so many of them it became annoying Ckan said: Yeah, it's getting pretty obnoxious. Paulo27 said: 17 anime notifications. Gotta love how the staff just piles up entries before accepting anything ever. You ungrateful people. When they don't approve people rant the shit out of them, if they do approve people decide to block notifications and rant once again. Being a mod is a lot more suffering than being a Precure could ever be tbh -.-. I'm glad they're getting to work and approving tons of shit right now. Who gives a shit about a handful of notifications when it means work is actually getting done? |
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| Idk what about the others, but I think it reflects on MAL's notification feature moreso than the mods? Because that's what I found obnoxious, not entries being added. I do think the (db) mods get more flak than is due from some quarters, but that's also a reflection of the relative invisibility of their work - these related entry pings aside. |
| I'm only giving them flak because these could have been added over time but where all added at once with some of them being over half a year old (if not not a year for some). I don't really get why you guys are complaining about the system notifying you about things you might want to watch either lol. That's its point. And I used to help a lot in regards to fixing things in the databse and discuss things in the database changes thread, I just never wanted to be a mod and eventually stop helping because of MAL's unwillingness to write down rules as they were needed and exceptions appeared, it became way too much of a pain when nothing was written down and you had to follow tons of unwritten rules new people who showed up on the thread didn't know. |
Paulo27Sep 29, 2017 3:07 AM
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Paulo27 said: I'm only giving them flak because these could have been added over time but where all added at once with some of them being over half a year old (if not not a year for some). I don't really get why you guys are complaining about the system notifying you about things you might want to watch either lol. That's its point. And I used to help a lot in regards to fixing things in the databse and discuss things in the database changes thread, I just never wanted to be a mod and eventually stop helping because of MAL's unwillingness to write down rules as they were needed and exceptions appeared, it became way too much of a pain when nothing was written down and you had to follow tons of unwritten rules new people who showed up on the thread didn't know. Well, I know that I also worked more in bursts of intense work rather than doing a little bit every day so I understand where they come from. That's just how it plays out more often than not. I do agree that the application of rules is often unclear and that's also why I personally never worked on the entry queue too much because for a lot of stuff there I would have to conference with more experienced mods. Partly because I had a hard time navigating some of these japanese-only sites that are used to confirm entries, and partly because the interpretation of the rules was not that obvious a lot of the time. Even when I knew what I'd do with an entry, it wasn't a guarantee that the veteran mods would agree so it felt a bit pointless to work on the entry queue on my own when in the end it would depend on their judgment and I might create more work by approving entries they don't think should have been approved or the other way round. It required too much... communication for someone like me who wants to work on his own. So I stuck mostly to detail edits and everything but the entry queue where it was much easier to do work by yourself. So in that sense I think even more, new mods would not guarantee that the queue is constantly taken care of since it seems more like the kind of thing where a couple of mods (including at least one or two veteran mods) have to get together and systematically go through it and come to an agreement on how to treat and confirm each entry. it requires the most competence and especially experience out of all the mod work so I wouldn't say it's entry level stuff for new mods mostly. Maybe if more people who already have this experience from the user side (like you) would become mods that would change things, but I'm pretty sure most of the regular helpers I saw in the queue who aren't mods, have their reasons for not already applying in the past so it probably won't happen. Ckan said: Idk what about the others, but I think it reflects on MAL's notification feature moreso than the mods? Because that's what I found obnoxious, not entries being added. I do think the (db) mods get more flak than is due from some quarters, but that's also a reflection of the relative invisibility of their work - these related entry pings aside. I'm with Paulo here, I think it's a nice feature and just because it happened in bulk now is no reason to deactivate it or shit on it. It costs much less time and energy to simply ignore these notifications compared to having to look up whether new entries related to what I've seen have been added to the DB on my own so I can't really see it any other way than the pros outweighing the cons by a large margin. |
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| The only issue I have is that they post double entry. I get several notification about Code Geass with the same twice. |
 Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
| It'd be nice if I had the option of turning off notices related to stuff that's only on my ptw. |
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| My problem is that they re-added the Kemono Friends shorts which I already watched and had on my list. wtf.... |
| Your honor, I never wrote this post. |
| Not gonna reply to most that since it won't go anywhere productive. I didn't ever feel like Heartcatch took itself overly seriously though. Something like Sailor Moon is way more depressing/brooding and drama-oriented than a show like Heartcatch, which is why I used the Gundam/TTGL analogies. Pullman said: Not gonna comment on all your comparisons to One Piece or TTGL since I like every single one of these shows a million times more than anything that happened in Heartcatch. But I'll say that I have a hard time imagining Sailor Moon, or ANYTHING for that matter to be even less interesting in terms of fights than Heartcatch. I think that's gonna be the same level of uninterestingness for pretty much all mahou shoujo since the way they fight is just utterly boring pew pew beam battles with adjustable power levels. Sadly, it doesn't really make a difference to me whether the sakuga are amazing or not when the whole concept and battle system just bores me so much. I honestly enjoy those precure sakuga more if you just link me to them without context, than I'd be ever able to enjoy them in their respective shows xD. Well if you cut out the fisticuffs, exchange it for some monsters knocking the mahou shoujo around for a bit, and slap the stock footage attacks back on top, that's Sailor Moon combat in a nutshell. Generals die slightly more often irrc, but the show definitely does drag at times, enough to annoy me despite the genre's repetition not annoying me like it does you. For bonus irony points: Despite not focusing on it at all, based on what you said you'll probably like what little action there is in CCS more since there's not really any stock footage attacks and defeating new cards depends on smart usage of the cards Sakura already has. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Since it seems unlikely you'll ever be watching Precure again and you said you think you would enjoy the fights more out of context, I'll leave this here. I haven't watched most of them myself because of spoilers, but the two Heartcatch ones seemed pretty legit, so I'd assume the ones for the other iterations are as well. |
TripleSRankSep 29, 2017 4:55 AM
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Paulo27 said: hell yeah boy we riding this Harley to the end of I-Carleyhttps://twitter.com/YonkouProd/status/913633340514639872 Ohh, guess I'm not reading the manga then. Never stop going beyond! I hope its 2 cour again cause they indefinitely have the content for it especially by the time it actually goes to air. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| So that matter wasn't just an anime only ending in Joukamachi no Dandelion. Huh, I really thought the manga would have wanted to take its time before this though. |
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Sapewloth said: LULAlso, guess which series the sound director worked on? Yup, Berserk 2016. Get ready for ONE CLANG MAN I'm just memeing he also worked on tons of other series but that's still pretty worrying The meme is real. good thing it's just the sound director though. If somehow OPM becomes a Berserk 2016, it would be one of the most sad yet hilarious shit ever.  |
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Pullman said: Yuuki Yuuna is more similar to Madoka Magica due to it's dark-ish nature. When it's not dark yet, it's also more of a Slice of Life with Mahou Shoujo elements than an actual Mahou Shoujo monster-of-the-week type of aneem. I have a feeling you'd like it.NeoAnkara said: That's why you watch the short one like YuYuYu. I don't know what that is but one of the only mahou shoujo that still interests me (because it doesn't seem to be the traditional type) is only 9 minutes per episode https://myanimelist.net/anime/872/Mahou_Shoujo-tai_Arusu Another one you'd probably like is Mai-Hime, which is really pushing the boundaries of Mahou Shoujo because I don't even know if you could call it that. |
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NeoAnkara said: The only issue I have is that they post double entry. I get several notification about Code Geass with the same twice. yeah idk what's up with the code geass stuff but they probably just had to adjust the entry a couple of times and it always triggered notifications or something. Okashi said: My problem is that they re-added the Kemono Friends shorts which I already watched and had on my list. wtf.... I don't think they re-added them? You probably just thought those entries belonged to another one since there are a bunch of different specials and shorts about Kemono friends. ReaperCreeper said: It'd be nice if I had the option of turning off notices related to stuff that's only on my ptw. Agreed that would be nice. TripleSRank said: Not gonna reply to most that since it won't go anywhere productive. I didn't ever feel like Heartcatch took itself overly seriously though. Something like Sailor Moon is way more depressing/brooding and drama-oriented than a show like Heartcatch, which is why I used the Gundam/TTGL analogies. Pullman said: Not gonna comment on all your comparisons to One Piece or TTGL since I like every single one of these shows a million times more than anything that happened in Heartcatch. But I'll say that I have a hard time imagining Sailor Moon, or ANYTHING for that matter to be even less interesting in terms of fights than Heartcatch. I think that's gonna be the same level of uninterestingness for pretty much all mahou shoujo since the way they fight is just utterly boring pew pew beam battles with adjustable power levels. Sadly, it doesn't really make a difference to me whether the sakuga are amazing or not when the whole concept and battle system just bores me so much. I honestly enjoy those precure sakuga more if you just link me to them without context, than I'd be ever able to enjoy them in their respective shows xD. Well if you cut out the fisticuffs, exchange it for some monsters knocking the mahou shoujo around for a bit, and slap the stock footage attacks back on top, that's Sailor Moon combat in a nutshell. Generals die slightly more often irrc, but the show definitely does drag at times, enough to annoy me despite the genre's repetition not annoying me like it does you. For bonus irony points: Despite not focusing on it at all, based on what you said you'll probably like what little action there is in CCS more since there's not really any stock footage attacks and defeating new cards depends on smart usage of the cards Sakura already has. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Since it seems unlikely you'll ever be watching Precure again and you said you think you would enjoy the fights more out of context, I'll leave this here. I haven't watched most of them myself because of spoilers, but the two Heartcatch ones seemed pretty legit, so I'd assume the ones for the other iterations are as well. Well, overly is subjective, but it definitely did take itself seriously. You seem to have taken it seriously tho with how you talked about all the family drama at the end, but I/we just weren't able to, it all seemed pretty forced and contrived at this point but well. And yeah maybe I'll watch CCS 5 years from now but it doesn't help that I'm not a big fan of Clamp aesthetics or mahou shoujo aesthetics and the combination has me a bit wary. And thanks for that youtube link, I'll check it out. AzureDaora said: Pullman said: Yuuki Yuuna is more similar to Madoka Magica due to it's dark-ish nature. When it's not dark yet, it's also more of a Slice of Life with Mahou Shoujo elements than an actual Mahou Shoujo monster-of-the-week type of aneem. I have a feeling you'd like it.I don't know what that is but one of the only mahou shoujo that still interests me (because it doesn't seem to be the traditional type) is only 9 minutes per episode https://myanimelist.net/anime/872/Mahou_Shoujo-tai_Arusu Another one you'd probably like is Mai-Hime, which is really pushing the boundaries of Mahou Shoujo because I don't even know if you could call it that. Idk I watched Mai Otome like 10+ years ago when I was loving literally every crappy anime I found and found it underwhelming then (even though I didn't really see it as a mahou shoujo back then, I didn't think in terms of genres that long ago), and Mai-Hime seems similar/related so I'm skeptical. Also adding a mecha tag to mahou shoujo doesn't make me look forward to it anymore xD. Yuuki Yuuna sounds more interesting but idk, I think for the next year or two I'd rather stick to any other genre which has a better chance of appealing to me, just to be safe. Eventually my curiosity might win me over again but it'll take a while considering how it turned out the last time that happened ^^. Thanks for the recs tho. |
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| Not sure what Clamp aesthetics is present in CCS Sakura to be honest, maybe tall characters with tiny heads but nothing that is out of the ordinary, now Code Geass, that screams Clamp all over and is basically the reason I haven't watched it yet lol. |
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TripleSRank said: I'll have to completely disagree here though. If you absolutely cannot stand the monster of the week formula and stock footage like Pullman then in that sense they're mostly the same since that's just how classical mahou shoujo generally works, but beyond that and only that I found Sailor Moon to be a totally different experience, and I think it's an excellent work for completely different reasons. In fact, if the pacing had been denser I might even be tempted to call it a masterpiece. Sailor Moon has almost everything you could ask of a mahou shoujo, but the two things it lacks are unfortunately very significant: When it drags, it can be super tedious to watch (and I absolutely would not blame someone for dropping it because of the pacing), and further the actual fights are not interesting to watch 90% of the time (nor is the show particularly interesting visually). Other than that though it really does have a ton to offer both in terms of some of the best characterization I've seen in the medium and in terms of a thematic narrative so rich I don't feel like I could completely do it justice with my own level of analytical ability. (I've legit considered reading books on literary criticism just so I could talk about Sailor Moon more comprehensively. So far it's the only anime I've watched that's made me want to do that.) Usagi's slow burn development over the course of the series is so good that I have no qualms in calling her character arc the best coming of age story I've seen in the medium; nothing else even comes close. The lore always captured my imagination (second perhaps only to One Piece) and pathos of the setting always captured my emotion. The romance was satisfactory as well. It's all around perfect save for the dreaded pacing, which makes it more of a work of tarnished genius than a gem cut and refined. If you cut out the dragging areas I think Sailor Moon is much much better than Heartcatch Precure!. It's not even a question. Sailor Moon is way more substantive. The first season in particular is really something I think a lot of people would benefit from watching even if they determine the whole series isn't for them, though again I couldn't reliably recommend it to Pullman since I think it's more likely he would end up hating it than appreciating it, given his primary issue with Heartcatch. I mean, Sailor Moon had great SOL episodes too at times, but I loved it for its drama, its characterization, and its themes far more than anything else. They dominated the experience. With Heartcatch, on the other hand, I think of it as a massive fun-fest with the tragedy of Moonlight just being the icing on the cake that takes the show from "great" to "awesome". I know you two are saying the end arc ruined it for you, but even aside from that, based on your descriptions I think I was just having a whole lot more fun with the show than you two were before then. I loved the aesthetic, the high-energy, the action; I ate all of that up, and aside from some kinda draggy parts near the beginning I was generally happy with the show even before the show's halfway point or Moonlight's comeback. Well, I can see what you mean. I haven't watched ALL of Sailor Moon yet, but yeah I was comparing them more on the basic bare-bones scale of formulaic setting and character tropes. I think that Precure shines when the fights are relevant and important and the sakuga during those moments was very impressive and I could find the action exciting, but I guess the fact that it reached those high points of actions rarely and they were alternated with MOTW eps of various quality made it hard for me to enjoy it all the time. That coupled with the fact that they had no tactics to their fighting, just random combinations during those MOTW eps didn't help. When I say I think this show took itself too seriously is that sometimes it blew some topics out of proportion for dramatic purposes and to try to appeal to emotion and be touching, but I found some of the conflict to be a bit of stretch at times and the fact that they were still so earnest to show it was a bit embarrassing. Sailor Moon has great character drama and the SOL complements this perfectly, the humor and distinct personalities of each characters (the bigger cast may have helped here, too) all contributed to me finding that much more entertaining. I think I also felt more forgiving of Sailor Moon shortcomings (particularly in animation) because of its age, but I guess with Heartcatch I didn't have the same considerations because although I can assume those sakuga had to be paid SOMEHOW and this would have needed certain parts to be more budget (like the CGI in the transformation sequences and stuff) I also think that the transformations felt longer and it was like cutting into actual ep time with something that we had already watched a dozen times when they could have a shortened version. I can understand the comparison you make of Heartcatch being the TTGL's of mahou shoujo, I don't particularly agree or disagree, just see where you're coming from, but to me it didn't reach the same level of enjoyment because of lack of attachment to most of the cast and finding the one who was less trivial completely unlikable. Not that I need to like a character or all of them to enjoy a show, but where Pullman had complete loss of interest, I felt frustration because I think this show had potential for me to like it and some parts were fun, but it felt short maybe because of me comparing it to Sailor Moon at times and finding it weak in the areas where I found Sailor Moon strong. It may have been unfair on my part as a viewer, but I didn't think of approaching it in another way. Thanks for the rec for Cardcaptor Sakura, I watched the second movie years ago and thought it was cool. I also watched several eps on TV as a teen and have vague recollections of what it is about, but I'm not sure if it'd become a priority for me right now. |
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Paulo27 said: Sometimes while watching I'd forget, and then I'd get stuff like this.Not sure what Clamp aesthetics is present in CCS Sakura to be honest, maybe tall characters with tiny heads but nothing that is out of the ordinary, now Code Geass, that screams Clamp all over and is basically the reason I haven't watched it yet lol.  |
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Paulo27 said: Not sure what Clamp aesthetics is present in CCS Sakura to be honest, maybe tall characters with tiny heads but nothing that is out of the ordinary, now Code Geass, that screams Clamp all over and is basically the reason I haven't watched it yet lol. in geass they are in their mechs a lot of the time and idk, when I watched that I didn't even know what clamp aesthetics were or that I didn't like them, I paid almost no attention to visuals back then but now I do :/. |
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Pullman said: Still, CCS doesn't really have anything that'd identify it as an obvious Clamp show and it's one of the most solid shows from the era, animation-wise (and in general really).Paulo27 said: Not sure what Clamp aesthetics is present in CCS Sakura to be honest, maybe tall characters with tiny heads but nothing that is out of the ordinary, now Code Geass, that screams Clamp all over and is basically the reason I haven't watched it yet lol. in geass they are in their mechs a lot of the time and idk, when I watched that I didn't even know what clamp aesthetics were or that I didn't like them, I paid almost no attention to visuals back then but now I do :/. |
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Paulo27 said: Pullman said: Still, CCS doesn't really have anything that'd identify it as an obvious Clamp show and it's one of the most solid shows from the era, animation-wise (and in general really).in geass they are in their mechs a lot of the time and idk, when I watched that I didn't even know what clamp aesthetics were or that I didn't like them, I paid almost no attention to visuals back then but now I do :/. yeah idk maybe it's more the mahou shoujo aesthetic with literally all pink and lots of frills on the cover image that makes it not look too appealing to me. Knowing it's Clamp didn't help in countering that first impression at least. Animation isn't the issue, it's more about general designs and color palette. |
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| Playing DRV3 and watching the Made in Abyss finale and reached to the conclusion there is just too much suffering in my life right now ;_; What a fantastic finale though and really glad the episode had double the duration because it needed it. Hoping for the journey to continue with a second season cuz would be a shame if it didn't. |
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| I actually finished watching Gamers ep1. Does it get better? |
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Tenth said: It's still kinda shit but in that sense it gets a bit better but god first episode is the worst... I thought the first ep was the best because it made me believe certain somewhat interesting characters would play a role but then it just became a quasi-harem from ep 2 onwards and those characters were barely mentioned again at least until I dropped it. |
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| I approve of the character designs in Princess Principal |
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| Once again, though, Skirts + Flying Powers is BAD STORYTELLING |
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| I'm calling it now, lying girl is best girl. |
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Lollo36 said: I approve of the character designs in Princess Principal  |
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| Ep1 was awesome. |
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Tenth said: In the worst case scenario there's still the manga you can pick up, but I too really want a season 2 or at least OVAs, even if there's barely enough material left to adapt.Playing DRV3 and watching the Made in Abyss finale and reached to the conclusion there is just too much suffering in my life right now ;_; What a fantastic finale though and really glad the episode had double the duration because it needed it. Hoping for the journey to continue with a second season cuz would be a shame if it didn't. |
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Tenth said: I've just been devoting myself to DV3 when not doing school work, m really hell bent that I will have this done monday cause come tuesday it's basically going to be a 9 am to 9 pm workload so id have to push it to friday. Issue here is, pretty sure this is the longest entry by a noticible amount cause i only just beat chapter 2 and it took a while.Playing DRV3 and watching the Made in Abyss finale and reached to the conclusion there is just too much suffering in my life right now ;_; What a fantastic finale though and really glad the episode had double the duration because it needed it. Hoping for the journey to continue with a second season cuz would be a shame if it didn't. But yeah the suffering is a pretty big load right now, the way they are building up whats going on outside of the cage really implies this is gonna have a very bittersweet ending. Sapewloth said: the anime is one of those adaptions that simply too well done to pick up the manga until im sure its not continuing, the atmosphere, pacing, directing, music, animation, and everything was just so well done. This and hero acadamy are the only 2 I can think of recently where im really against picking up the manga in case of anime continuations. Though sadly made in abyss seems way less likley.Tenth said: In the worst case scenario there's still the manga you can pick up, but I too really want a season 2 or at least OVAs, even if there's barely enough material left to adapt.Playing DRV3 and watching the Made in Abyss finale and reached to the conclusion there is just too much suffering in my life right now ;_; What a fantastic finale though and really glad the episode had double the duration because it needed it. Hoping for the journey to continue with a second season cuz would be a shame if it didn't. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Sapewloth said: I haven't watched the final episode but there's still enough material for half a season, no? Maybe if it ends in the next 2 years and we get really lucky.Tenth said: In the worst case scenario there's still the manga you can pick up, but I too really want a season 2 or at least OVAs, even if there's barely enough material left to adapt.Playing DRV3 and watching the Made in Abyss finale and reached to the conclusion there is just too much suffering in my life right now ;_; What a fantastic finale though and really glad the episode had double the duration because it needed it. Hoping for the journey to continue with a second season cuz would be a shame if it didn't. |
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Paulo27 said: It stopped around halfway through chapter 26 iirc, so there's a little more than 16 chapters left to adapt, which might be a bit short for a single cour. It could still work though, I guess. Also note that the chapters apparently don't come out regularly, so no way to know when it'll end for sure.Sapewloth said: I haven't watched the final episode but there's still enough material for half a season, no? Maybe if it ends in the next 2 years and we get really lucky.In the worst case scenario there's still the manga you can pick up, but I too really want a season 2 or at least OVAs, even if there's barely enough material left to adapt. |
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| Really loving V3 so far, but I feel like I'm less interested in alot of the cast this time, aside fromj atua chick there arnet really any characters i dislike but I dont feel too much of a strong want to find out more about characters like i did in the past 2 games. That said I love the main trio so far by chapter 3, its a very nice contrast to how naegi/kirigiri/togami, and hinata/chiaki/nagito were. I dont know they just seem alot more flawed overall in skills than the past 2 trio's were which i think makes them alot more enjoyable to follow. I'm midway into chapter 3, which has been the worst part of both games before it so lets hope 3rd times the charm. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Pullman said: I don't think they re-added them? You probably just thought those entries belonged to another one since there are a bunch of different specials and shorts about Kemono friends. No, I'm certain they're the same because I watched them a few days before the notifications, marked them as complete and added them to my list. Needless to say they were gone from my list and even watching history now. Oh well. |
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Sapewloth said: Honestly maybe going for a slower pace with some anime original stuff would work best.Paulo27 said: It stopped around halfway through chapter 26 iirc, so there's a little more than 16 chapters left to adapt, which might be a bit short for a single cour. It could still work though, I guess. Also note that the chapters apparently don't come out regularly, so no way to know when it'll end for sure.I haven't watched the final episode but there's still enough material for half a season, no? Maybe if it ends in the next 2 years and we get really lucky. |
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| Man this Shirobako rewatch has been freaking great. I'm seriously hype for the second cour. |
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| Oh yeah, this Made in Abyss episode is double length. No wonder it took longer to download. |
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| Finished reading Rosario-Vampire Season 2. It was much a better story than Season 1 even though some parts were predictable and kinda cheesy. I liked most of the cast and Tsukune became such a badass near the last half. The epilogue was pretty eh if I had to be honest and could have been more conclusive. I still think the Siren arc is the best one. 7.5/10 |
Paulo27 said: That felt like a single episode. Pretty great stuff. That ending tho. What a tease.Oh yeah, this Made in Abyss episode is double length. No wonder it took longer to download. |
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| I could have sworn Boku no Hero was already over but apparently it ends tomorrow. Good for me I guess. |
SuperRed said: then the wait for season 3 and the hyped to hell arc begins, from what I can understand the fight everyone is creaming over it seems like yutaka nakamura may potentially do a cut for it.I could have sworn Boku no Hero was already over but apparently it ends tomorrow. Good for me I guess. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Yooooooooo @Sapewloth that chapter was hype. So many things are going wrong though :notlikeblob: |
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SuperRed said: The best part is you can see that he art style gradually become better and better.Finished reading Rosario-Vampire Season 2. It was much a better story than Season 1 even though some parts were predictable and kinda cheesy. I liked most of the cast and Tsukune became such a badass near the last half. The epilogue was pretty eh if I had to be honest and could have been more conclusive. I still think the Siren arc is the best one. 7.5/10 |
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NeoAnkara said: SuperRed said: The best part is you can see that he art style gradually become better and better.Finished reading Rosario-Vampire Season 2. It was much a better story than Season 1 even though some parts were predictable and kinda cheesy. I liked most of the cast and Tsukune became such a badass near the last half. The epilogue was pretty eh if I had to be honest and could have been more conclusive. I still think the Siren arc is the best one. 7.5/10 That happens with most long running manga though. |
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