| Because all I see are Gary Stus. Where are the OP female MCs that have harems of slightly less OP male ikemen at their beck and call? In case y'all don't understand the concept; the idea of a Mary Sue or Garu Stu is that: A. They're a lynchpin in overcoming all plot significant situations B. Self insert character; very idealized Pretty simple, but reasonably specific, minimum standards. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Because all I see are Gary Stus. Where are the OP female MCs that have harems of slightly less OP male ikemen at their beck and call? Kurokami Medaka would have no problems finding such examples, and doesn't understand why you can't find them too. Also, Pretear and Arcana Famiglia have female characters with both fighting ability and boys. But in general, female wish-fulfillment stories rarely bother making them overpowered. Just having ikemen at your beck and call seems to be good enough for many people. |
If you want like just simply "female power fantasy" as you described... ummm. You gotta modify it to be a FEMALE'S power fantasy.  Sailor Moon. And I like it. And yeah Usagi herself? What is her flaw? Clumsy. Kinda stupid. Wouldn't be fit for battle. What are her powers? Empathy? And she can bring people back to life and all sorts of crazy shit out of nowhere. And there is this ever increasing climb in power that is out her ass will make no sense. Talking cats?  What girl doesn't want that? Soulmate?  checkity check! That oh secretly I am a princess totes!  Yuppers! oh god... and the costume porn that makes you like... want to cosplay it. Always.  AND DON'T FORGET YOUR FRIENDS!  Oh and if you are a lesbian, just good friends or are willing to crossplay... We got you covered:  I can't think of a single group cosplay that is more endearing to women... and more empowering. I personally have 5 cosplays from this series. And like... it is not even my favorite. It is just simply my favorite to cosplay from. |
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| God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. |
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SillySlySy said: God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. I blame TV Tropes for turning people into pseudo-critics. |
| Any main love interest from any standard harem. There. |
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| Asuka? A Mary Sue? She has to be saved more often than a Mary Sue should. |
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| Every character that I don't like is a Mary Sue or Gary Stu SillySlySy said: God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. Oh wow somebody actually brought sense into a thread relating to critical assessment remarkable |
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SillySlySy said: While I agree that's it's as much of a misused and overused criticism as "show don't tell, there are times where it is actually correct to call a character a terrible Mary Sue/Gary Stu. If we're supposed to take a story that involves everyone struggling seriously and find tension in situations, the MC should not dwarf literally everyone in existence and expect us to find that compelling (unless you make that aspect an internal conflict in and of itself), and if the MC is so perfect at everything to the point of being better than everyone and influencing the way they live since he was a child, then any sense of trying to take anything seriously is thrown out the window (unless you still try to give a shit in which case you'll be tearing your hair out). That's why characters like Tatsuya Shiba are so divisive and why a lot of the show's problems boil down to such a character.God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. |
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| Kirino from Oreimo is a classic Jerk Sue. She's an absolute bitch and yet her brother still wants to bang her? Her friend just sort of is forced to accept she's into little sister eroge? This is not how real life works. |
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| @Jonouchi-Katsuya @Jarring Those are of another time era lol SillySlySy said: God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. A lot of Japanese media is now blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction, so the term is often the most apt description. CodeBlazeFate said: RnDNEET021 said: Mary Sues don't no get raped and become literal birds in cages for a Gary Stu to rescue.No one would ever mention this Shitty Mary Sue...?? [img]http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/a/ac/Yuuki_asuna_render_1_by_idolprincess-d5c620u.png/revision/latest?cb=20151205023259[/ig] Well said lmao. Moogle-Magic said: Mary Sues are literally in every anime. All of them. Especially in shoujo romances and stuff like that. You know, the pure, innocent girls who can do no wrong ever and who are perfect in every single way or have some flaw that's used as a way to victimize them further? That's a Mary Sue. Examples? I've seen victimized, but I haven't seen shoujo romance protagonists who are perfect in any way at all. Sure, all things come to them, but they don't actually do anything. |
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Moogle-Magic said: True. Some of them are just obnoxiously well liked by their peers and with basically no flaws other than "bad past" and "clumsiness". It's just that the former type is the most common one, though my example from earlier is both types at their logical extremes (minus clumsiness).MortalMelancholy said: @Jonouchi-Katsuya @Jarring Those are of another time era lol A lot of Japanese media is now blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction, so the term is often the most apt description. Well said lmao. Examples? I've seen victimized, but I haven't seen shoujo romance protagonists who are perfect in any way at all. Sure, all things come to them, but they don't actually do anything. Sawako from Kimi ni Todoke, Naho from Orange ( most hated one for me ), Rinko from Ore Monogatari ( as much as I enjoyed that anime ), Hinata from Naruto ( although not a shoujo anime protagonist, but an useless supporting character that everyone loves because big-boobed Mary Sue who satisfies the beta man's dominance fantasies ), all girls from harem animes, do you want me to continue? Being a Mary Sue doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be strong physically and kick ass. |
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Moogle-Magic said: MortalMelancholy said: @Jonouchi-Katsuya @Jarring Those are of another time era lol A lot of Japanese media is now blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction, so the term is often the most apt description. Well said lmao. Examples? I've seen victimized, but I haven't seen shoujo romance protagonists who are perfect in any way at all. Sure, all things come to them, but they don't actually do anything. Sawako from Kimi ni Todoke, Naho from Orange ( most hated one for me ), Rinko from Ore Monogatari ( as much as I enjoyed that anime ), Hinata from Naruto ( although not a shoujo anime protagonist, but an useless supporting character that everyone loves because big-boobed Mary Sue who satisfies the beta man's dominance fantasies ), all girls from harem animes, do you want me to continue? Being a Mary Sue doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be strong physically and kick ass. Never read Kimi ni Todoke. Naho from Orange has no unrealistic, or even unusual traits. Shows like Ore Monogatari and harem shows do idealize female characters in a way, but they're more or less objectifying them, far from anything like a self-insert character. Mary sue does mean the character has to be a a self-insert character, and a "special snowflake." |
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Moogle-Magic said: MortalMelancholy said: Never read Kimi ni Todoke. Naho from Orange has no unrealistic, or even unusual traits. Shows like Ore Monogatari and harem shows do idealize female characters in a way, but they're more or less objectifying them, far from anything like a self-insert character. Naho is the biggest Mary Sue I've ever seen. Well, one of them. She's a huge self insert with no personality. I don't know how you can't see that. That doesn't meet the other basic requirement. I do see her as a sort of self-insert character; though no personality doesn't necessarily imply self-insert. It's just a typical trait demonstrating the universality of bad writing. |
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HikiMaru said: I'm surprised nobody mentioned the mother from Wolf Children. She's no OP, but her determination and patience in bringing up her beloved children are inspiring. How is Hana a Mary Sue? She doesn't have any exceptional talents, or love interests apart from the guy who fathered her children, she is just a woman who struggles hard with being a mother of two special children mostly by herself. |
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SillySlySy said: God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. this so much, honestly this pseudo criticism all around is making me sick character is exceptional in some aspect and they're getting these ridiculous names slapped on them despite how much there is to them do characters really need to shout out how flawed they are and how many problems they have to the viewer, like Subaru from re:zero does? because it seems if they don't they're either a total loser or a gary stu nothing in between |
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| Kami-sama, this thread is filled with ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Here's why: A character being popular, liked or being the love interest of many characters DOES NOT A SUE MAKE, there are LOTS of people in REAL LIFE who are popular among their peers for whatever reasons, be them related to appearance, personality, status, or all of these combined. A character having special skills or being particularly talented at something DOES NOT A SUE MAKE, for the same reason as above. A character does not NEED noticeable character flaws to be not a Sue, maybe the author just wanted to make a lighthearted character with comedic flaws that's easy to like and doesn't feel to make him/her a heavily flawed human being, and that's perfectly fine by me. Little personality (cause no personality doesn't exist) =/= Sue, that's just simply a one dimensional character, which is generally a bad thing if you're trying to write the MC of a complex or realistic story, regardless if they fit the Sue category or not. A character being the subject of divine prophecy or being special ala Naruto or SAO is a generally Sueish quality, but with good enough writing or non-Sue traits you can make those aspects negligible ala One Piece or HxH. A Sue is when a character possesses MOST or ALL (not just 1 or 2) of these aspects in a way that breaks any sort of plausible LOGIC in the story and the narrative loses quality by focusing on that particular character to the expense of other characters and whatever themes the story possesses. Lastly, a source like TV Tropes or Wikipedia or a random blog where anyone can write any BS is not a reliable source for literary criticism. |
SillySlySy said: Best post I've ever seen on this forum.God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. |
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SillySlySy said: God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. I love you for this comment. A character is competent = instant Sue status is one of the most jarring things I've ever read! |
SillySlySy said: God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. It's not going to die. And it never will. And it never should. Because Mary Sues still exist. People misusing the term does not invalidate it. Exceptional people and situations exists. But when your entire setting and narrative exists solely for the idealistic protagonist to flaunt and gallivant about without rhyme or reason, you fail the single most crucial aspect of good storytelling: character. |
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le_halfhand_easy said: When do they act without any reason though? There's always a reason behind characters actions,it may not be obvious or you may not like it or it may not make sense to you, but that doesn't mean that its nonexsistent. SillySlySy said: God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. It's not going to die. And it never will. And it never should. Because Mary Sues still exist. People misusing the term does not invalidate it. Exceptional people and situations exists. But when your entire setting and narrative exists solely for the idealistic protagonist to flaunt and gallivant about without rhyme or reason, you fail the single most crucial aspect of good storytelling: character. There is no formula for writing a good story or a good character, since its subjective to the viewer. |
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le_halfhand_easy said: SillySlySy said: God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. It's not going to die. And it never will. And it never should. Because Mary Sues still exist. People misusing the term does not invalidate it. Exceptional people and situations exists. But when your entire setting and narrative exists solely for the idealistic protagonist to flaunt and gallivant about without rhyme or reason, you fail the single most crucial aspect of good storytelling: character. This might seem a bit strange to ask, but how do you feel about Indiana Jones and/or James Bond? |
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SuperRed said: If only I can upvote this comment because I totally agree.Kami-sama, this thread is filled with ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Here's why: A character being popular, liked or being the love interest of many characters DOES NOT A SUE MAKE, there are LOTS of people in REAL LIFE who are popular among their peers for whatever reasons, be them related to appearance, personality, status, or all of these combined. A character having special skills or being particularly talented at something DOES NOT A SUE MAKE, for the same reason as above. A character does not NEED noticeable character flaws to be not a Sue, maybe the author just wanted to make a lighthearted character with comedic flaws that's easy to like and doesn't feel to make him/her a heavily flawed human being, and that's perfectly fine by me. Little personality (cause no personality doesn't exist) =/= Sue, that's just simply a one dimensional character, which is generally a bad thing if you're trying to write the MC of a complex or realistic story, regardless if they fit the Sue category or not. A character being the subject of divine prophecy or being special ala Naruto or SAO is a generally Sueish quality, but with good enough writing or non-Sue traits you can make those aspects negligible ala One Piece or HxH. A Sue is when a character possesses MOST or ALL (not just 1 or 2) of these aspects in a way that breaks any sort of plausible LOGIC in the story and the narrative loses quality by focusing on that particular character to the expense of other characters and whatever themes the story possesses. Lastly, a source like TV Tropes or Wikipedia or a random blog where anyone can write any BS is not a reliable source for literary criticism. |
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| @MortalMelancholy Is it because you have never seen Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon and just want to bitch more? But honestly all a mary sue or gary stu is is "empowerment fantasy" + tropes. So in a sense. Most band anime or idol anime would definitely all fit this. |
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le_halfhand_easy said: SillySlySy said: God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. It's not going to die. And it never will. And it never should. Because Mary Sues still exist. People misusing the term does not invalidate it. Exceptional people and situations exists. But when your entire setting and narrative exists solely for the idealistic protagonist to flaunt and gallivant about without rhyme or reason, you fail the single most crucial aspect of good storytelling: character. So, Revolutionary Girl Utena isn't a good anime because it is more concerned with ideals and politics than it is with character? I mean some anime do put character at the bottom of their priorities list. Utena is one. It is why it is not my cuppa and Evangelion will always Reign supreme. But it's animation peters out at the end rather infamously. And it is a visual medium and the characters are hateable especially the main character and that might not be someone else's cuppa. But Shinji is special to me. |
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SuperRed said: Kami-sama, this thread is filled with ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Here's why: A character being popular, liked or being the love interest of many characters DOES NOT A SUE MAKE, there are LOTS of people in REAL LIFE who are popular among their peers for whatever reasons, be them related to appearance, personality, status, or all of these combined. A character having special skills or being particularly talented at something DOES NOT A SUE MAKE, for the same reason as above. A character does not NEED noticeable character flaws to be not a Sue, maybe the author just wanted to make a lighthearted character with comedic flaws that's easy to like and doesn't feel to make him/her a heavily flawed human being, and that's perfectly fine by me. Little personality (cause no personality doesn't exist) =/= Sue, that's just simply a one dimensional character, which is generally a bad thing if you're trying to write the MC of a complex or realistic story, regardless if they fit the Sue category or not. A character being the subject of divine prophecy or being special ala Naruto or SAO is a generally Sueish quality, but with good enough writing or non-Sue traits you can make those aspects negligible ala One Piece or HxH. A Sue is when a character possesses MOST or ALL (not just 1 or 2) of these aspects in a way that breaks any sort of plausible LOGIC in the story and the narrative loses quality by focusing on that particular character to the expense of other characters and whatever themes the story possesses. Lastly, a source like TV Tropes or Wikipedia or a random blog where anyone can write any BS is not a reliable source for literary criticism. yes, finally a proper explanation... so basically its really rare yeah? |
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Jonouchi-Katsuya said: @MortalMelancholy Is it because you have never seen Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon and just want to bitch more? But honestly all a mary sue or gary stu is is "empowerment fantasy" + tropes. So in a sense. Most band anime or idol anime would definitely all fit this. Don't be retarded, Sailor Moon is from over 20 years ago; hardly an answer to "where are all the Mary Sues." And "Empowerment Fantasy+Tropes" isn't a definition. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Jonouchi-Katsuya said: @MortalMelancholy Is it because you have never seen Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon and just want to bitch more? But honestly all a mary sue or gary stu is is "empowerment fantasy" + tropes. So in a sense. Most band anime or idol anime would definitely all fit this. Don't be retarded, Sailor Moon is from over 20 years ago; hardly an answer to "where are all the Mary Sues." And "Empowerment Fantasy+Tropes" isn't a definition. Considering they just put out a reboot. No it is pretty fucking relevant. Why is Yugioh judged as a gary stu (also a 20 year old property)? Why not Sailor Moon? |
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Jonouchi-Katsuya said: MortalMelancholy said: Don't be retarded, Sailor Moon is from over 20 years ago; hardly an answer to "where are all the Mary Sues." And "Empowerment Fantasy+Tropes" isn't a definition. Considering they just put out a reboot. No it is pretty fucking relevant. Why is Yugioh judged as a gary stu (also a 20 year old property)? Why not Sailor Moon? They're the same, but they keep pumping out new Yugioh shows. |
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| >Usagi is a mary sue. I'm not sure if a statement that dumb is worth devoting paragraphs to, especially when other people are making similarly dumb claims like Hana being a mary sue. Even Sawako. This term needs to die. Virtually nobody uses it properly anymore. SillySlySy said: God, how I hate the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" with burning passion. I hate how it morphed from a mockery of blatantly obvious self-insert fanfiction to this attack on competent characters in any story. As if flaws need to be immediately obvious. As if exceptional people or exceptional situations can't exist and aren't worth telling stories about. When people were seriously applying checklists to characters you knew they had missed the point of good storytelling completely, and that was a decade ago. Let it die. Thank you for being the voice of reason in this thread. There's too much crap flowing in it for me to want to attempt making a response since it would probably end up turning into a big rant. |
SuperRed said: Kami-sama, this thread is filled with ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Here's why: A character being popular, liked or being the love interest of many characters DOES NOT A SUE MAKE, there are LOTS of people in REAL LIFE who are popular among their peers for whatever reasons, be them related to appearance, personality, status, or all of these combined. A character having special skills or being particularly talented at something DOES NOT A SUE MAKE, for the same reason as above. A character does not NEED noticeable character flaws to be not a Sue, maybe the author just wanted to make a lighthearted character with comedic flaws that's easy to like and doesn't feel to make him/her a heavily flawed human being, and that's perfectly fine by me. Little personality (cause no personality doesn't exist) =/= Sue, that's just simply a one dimensional character, which is generally a bad thing if you're trying to write the MC of a complex or realistic story, regardless if they fit the Sue category or not. A character being the subject of divine prophecy or being special ala Naruto or SAO is a generally Sueish quality, but with good enough writing or non-Sue traits you can make those aspects negligible ala One Piece or HxH. A Sue is when a character possesses MOST or ALL (not just 1 or 2) of these aspects in a way that breaks any sort of plausible LOGIC in the story and the narrative loses quality by focusing on that particular character to the expense of other characters and whatever themes the story possesses. Lastly, a source like TV Tropes or Wikipedia or a random blog where anyone can write any BS is not a reliable source for literary criticism. The problem is, people keep complaining about perfectly valid ways to write using the term "Mary Sue", just because they're edgelords who want to watch bad people doing bad things to each other, as opposed to something actually fun. Popularity? Special skills? Being a chosen one? These are all just warning signs, and not the core of the problem. A Mary Sue can get all of these any time she wants to, but it does not define her. Personality? Do you know the difference between a Mary Sue and a wish-fulfillment character? Mary Sue is author's self-insert, and she has author's personality. A proper wish-fulfillment character is the audience's self-insert, and deliberately does not have much personality apart from being similar to target audience, but cool. A Mary Sue is a character that is liked by the author to the point of hurting the story. Such characters don't get adapted to anime unless the creative process was particularly unusual. |
TripleSRank said: >Usagi is a mary sue. I'm not sure if a statement that dumb is worth devoting paragraphs to, especially when other people are making similarly dumb claims like Hana being a mary sue. Even Sawako. This term needs to die. Virtually nobody uses it properly anymore. What do you think about this person's particular list? http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-206333/who-is-the-biggest-mary-sue?pg=3#30854165 |
| By the way, I did remember one fine example of Mary Sue. https://myanimelist.net/character/67637/Ad%C3%A9la%C3%AFde_Grand_Marnier Went to another world and saved it. Defeated an Evil Overlord and married him. Related to ruling family of a kingdom. Is too damn powerful, and is friends with everybody near her powerlevel (which is like 3 people, including Evil Overlord). Has stars in her eyes, something other heroes her level don't have. Looks very good, especially for an epic hero of the past. Her only saving grace is that she isn't a main character - she is more like a living relic of the past. It still seems unfair when she takes a side in a competition. |
| Plot twist: Every character written ever is a Mary-Sure or Gary-Stu, and OP doesn't realize it yet. Written by M. Night Shyamalana-ding-dong-sama. - - - - I love how @Jonouchi-Katsuya basically just ruined OP's entire point by showcasing how a Female over-powered self insert isn't necessarily going to be the same a gender-swapped Male Over-powered self-insert. Not to mention that one post before, @flannan showcased several examples that could qualify, and then nearly everyone else just starts tearing into eachother or shitposting. This thread is literally an embodiment of MAL. Two to four people post serious answers, one of these serious answers get hotly debated, and everyone else just writes off OP while OP scrambles to further clarify the original point, or implement stipulations (These examples are too old!) that weren't there prior. And we're barely done with the first page. Who knows what Page 2 will bring us? I need to stop coming late to these topics |
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InsaneLeader13 said: Plot twist: Every character written ever is a Mary-Sure or Gary-Stu, and OP doesn't realize it yet. Written by M. Night Shyamalana-ding-dong-sama. - - - - I love how @Jonouchi-Katsuya basically just ruined OP's entire point by showcasing how a Female over-powered self insert isn't necessarily going to be the same a gender-swapped Male Over-powered self-insert. Not to mention that one post before, @flannan showcased several examples that could qualify, and then nearly everyone else just starts tearing into eachother or shitposting. This thread is literally an embodiment of MAL. Two to four people post serious answers, one of these serious answers get hotly debated, and everyone else just writes off OP while OP scrambles to further clarify the original point, or implement stipulations (These examples are too old!) that weren't there prior. And we're barely done with the first page. Who knows what Page 2 will bring us? I need to stop coming late to these topics Apparently, it's extremely difficult for people to take words at face value. |
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