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| I'm quite enjoyed this episode by the stories alone. What bugging me is I don't know who is who ? I still can't recognize the spies, both face and names. |
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| I think that was a step up for this series. I'm liking this rather episodic format where we see all the spies do a mission. Wonder how they'll tie it all together in the end. Also, I'm seeing a lot of people getting riled up about the vengeful lover. I don't think this episode was supposed to endorse pedophilia... More along the lines of even the goodhearted people in the city are prone to the most depraved acts (as far as we know, he seems to be a good person; at least, besides the pedophilia, that's how he's presented). Which leads you to wonder what might happen to Honma... |
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| Geez!!! Shanghai is a fucked up town in this episode. DAMMIT! "Revenged for my lover" His lover is a guy. i'm just.....speechless....just realized how fucked up this town is. The spy from D-Agency in this episode knew how to act. i like how he made his fake face like that. i thought he was a different person. great episode overall imo. looking foward for the next episode because the next episode's title is |
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huddycleve said: Also, I'm seeing a lot of people getting riled up about the vengeful lover. I don't think this episode was supposed to endorse pedophilia... More along the lines of even the goodhearted people in the city are prone to the most depraved acts (as far as we know, he seems to be a good person; at least, besides the pedophilia, that's how he's presented). Which leads you to wonder what might happen to Honma... It's more the way this twist appeared out of nowhere which got me riled up. I mean, how one could have guessed it? For all we know, the private say could have been riddled with debts because he likes it opium too much, or hell because he's genuinely concerned about the Captain Oikawa. Pedophilia was an awful reality. Imagine that Japan had invaded China during the time this anime is set, less than a century after China ousted the English colonial empire following the second opium war ending in 1860. Understandably, on a macro social scale, China took great deal of pain to structure into its modern self. Kids forced into prostitution like anyone else isn't surprising for such an obscure pivotal era, ultimately leading to Mao Zedong's revolution. Many Historians would tell you that China is a sleeping giant. Its rise on the top of the world's economy is a very recent phenomenon. ---- To everyone else upset about it: Don't be prompt to judge with emotion or else you will get mistaken. JG wanted to include a realistic plot element in accordance with the Chinese industry of pleasure cattering to the bored and fortunate foreigners. It wasn't supposed to be "edgy" by itself. Even though it was handled in a hammy way with the revelation and death of the neurotic captain. |
sorceryApr 29, 2016 2:06 PM
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sorcery said: huddycleve said: Also, I'm seeing a lot of people getting riled up about the vengeful lover. I don't think this episode was supposed to endorse pedophilia... More along the lines of even the goodhearted people in the city are prone to the most depraved acts (as far as we know, he seems to be a good person; at least, besides the pedophilia, that's how he's presented). Which leads you to wonder what might happen to Honma... It's more the way this twist appeared out of nowhere which got me riled up. I mean, how one could have guessed it? For all we know, the private say could have been riddled with debts because he likes it opium too much, or hell because he's genuinely concerned about the Captain Oikawa. Pedophilia was an awful reality. Imagine that Japan had invaded China during the time this anime is set, less than a century after China ousted the English colonial empire following the second opium war ending in 1860. Understandably, on a macro social scale, China took great deal of pain to structure into its modern self. Kids forced into prostitution like anyone else isn't surprising for such an obscure pivotal era, ultimately leading to Mao Zedong's revolution. Many Historians would tell you that China is a sleeping giant. Its rise on the top of the world's economy is a very recent phenomenon. ---- To everyone else upset about it: Don't be prompt to judge with emotion or else you will get mistaken. JG wanted to include a realistic plot element in accordance with the Chinese industry of pleasure cattering to the bored and fortunate foreigners. It wasn't supposed to be "edgy" by itself. Even though it was handled in a hammy way with the revelation and death of the neurotic captain. It didn't quite come out of nowhere though, did it? We can see the private looking quite glum when the explosion is being investigated, though Honma doesn't know why. He must've seen the identifying tattoo on the victim -- he must've either been one of the ones to pull out the bodies, or was putting up a blockade against passersby and saw as another crew was getting them. Then, in Oikawa's office, we don't see him get riled up at first because he doesn't really have a need to be, until Oikawa reveals that not only did he plan the explosion, but he has absolutely no regrets regarding it. I think that much was the straw that broke the camel's back -- it wasn't so much the act itself, but the fact that he said "I would kill all of them over again!" (paraphrasing) that set the private off. Then, he commits suicide. This is due to the trifecta against him: one, his love is dead, two, he killed his commanding officer, and three, he now has another person -- Honma, who we (and presumably the private) can see is rather righteous and ideological -- know of his less-than ideal life. Not only that, but I think the episode was building up the boy's significance early on. He wasn't just a piece of the puzzle for Honma to identify, he was also there to subtly introduce his own importance in the story. Additionally, I do like the opium idea, but I feel like the vengeful-but-twisted lover angle was just more visceral. We can't like him because of his sexuality (or more particularly for acting on that sexuality), but we also have no other reason to dislike him -- he seems like a fine character otherwise -- and we can like him because he killed Oikawa, the notable evil of the episode. The lover twist was just perfectly shocking for me, and I don't think it really came out of nowhere, though it was certainly unexpected. |
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| You got my point wrong. My pet peeve is that we cannot get into the private's mind because no solid elements are expressly brought to our attention about him. We cannot draw conclusion before the climatic revelation which comes off as an underhanded effect of surprise. Indeed, the private's behavior makes perfect sense after the fact, I won't deny that. I just state that this episode failed as an investigation story for aforementioned reasons in my very first post. Which is why I rated the episode okay instead of great. ...The sixth and the eighth rules of the decalogue. This twist still comes from nowhere even if we can tell it will happen >> somehow << A good investigation story puts forth interactivity, associating spectator with researcher's very thoughts. Nothing should be hidden to the spectator for the sake of an unpredictable twist. Apart from that, I wholeheartedly agree with you. You even looked deeper into the matter than I did. Great analyzis here. Nota Bene: and yes, the private was a puzzle element technically. Why? Because we follow the intrigue progress with Honwa's perspective only. |
sorceryApr 29, 2016 3:53 PM
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Smudy said: I have no clue what i just watched, but the ending was pretty sick. lol my thoughts exactly |
| The episode with least obvious impact up to now, but it does go to show how little of a push a spy needs to make to solve an intricate case. I don't think that only 12 episodes of this will be acceptable, though. |
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| We meet another character of the cast, the episode through the self-closing formula. The narrative itself is not bad and is quite raw and dramatic, but this setting chosen to show the characters, I do not like it because you can not hear well or fix in the mind the character in himself. Excellent drawings and animations, the same for the sets, very beautiful, they make us sharers in context. Too bad for the for simplicity with which he solved the case, too fast for my taste. Overall, however, the episode is enjoyable. |
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| Jesus on a cracker, that was Fukumoto? I couldn't even tell. Even the captain looked like a fucking D Agent from the way he was designed, hell even the ladyboy looked like he could've been a D Agent. I am liking Joker Game, it's one of my favorite series for Spring 2016 but apart from a few characters, the rest of the D Agents look almost exactly like with unnoticeable nuances that are extremely easy to overlook. I wonder how old that boy was, the one who shot Miyamoto and was Yoshino's lover. A lot Asians look younger than they actually appear but still it did reek of pedophilia on so many levels. Both Oikawa and Yoshino are fucking disgusting if that ladyboy was a young, underaged kid. I'm also going to be sick and say that I loved that part where Yoshino shot Oikawa. Not because he was avenging his underaged lover but because I liked seeing Oikawa go crazy then get killed. |
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| Horrible. The worst episode by far. It had everything, Boku no Pico included. And that final scene... catastrophic. But, as it's episodic, I hope it can resurface. |
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| The spies are really good, I can't even recognize them. It was a good episode, not the best but still good. The revenge was out of nowhere |
Sakaitsu said: The spies are really good, I can't even recognize them. It was a good episode, not the best but still good. The revenge was out of nowhere At least, someone who agrees! And no. One cannot say it's the worst episode after the third one, which involved drunken physics/chemistry trick I have never heard about, extremely stupid plan to tally resistance, cheesy action scenes that would make Black Lagoon's blush, pretentious episode writing and cliché amnesia element. No, the third takes the cake. It's the jarring stain on the whole composition so far. |
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Jokerdance13 said: I'm quite enjoyed this episode by the stories alone. What bugging me is I don't know who is who ? I still can't recognize the spies, both face and names. Maybe it's creators intention, spies shouldn't distinguish themselves after all |
| Four episodes in and people are still complaining that they can't recognize the spies. 1. They're spies. It's not supposed to be easy to recognize them. 2. If it matters that much to you then learn their voices. |
| Not as good as the third but this one give me the want to rewatch senkou no Night raid. I foud the atmosphere more in the mood of an investigation episode than espionage. |
| It was great! I was not expecting that! |
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gaki94 said: eh~~ im probs confused but didnt the boy die in the bomb at the captain dude's house - but then wen the mc guy go to investigate in the dance club the boy was alive and serving mc drinks. I thought the mc started investigating after the bomb at the captain's house cos the bomb happened wen he was being instructed by captain to go investigate?? O.o much confusion i probs wasnt paying enuf attention lulzz No, you are right, but the boy Honma (the red nose guy) saw at the club wasn't the one that was killed by Oikawa. The boy, who was killed in Oikawa's house and burned in the explosion, had a flower tattoo on his right shoulder. You can see the boy with the tattoo in a red dress during Oikawa's confessesion about his corruption. The boy in the green dress, who offered a drink to Honma, doesn't have a tattoo. So, it's not the same boy. All prostitutes, male and female, actually wear clothes with same flower print as the tattoo, i think, but only the killed one is shown to have a tattoo. |
| This show keeps hitting my favourite tropes. Bishounen, spies, good guys gone bad, lies, manipulation, and now even gay pedophilia. I'm having a damn good time. |
| SEIYUU LAW: If your voice is Fujiwara Keiji, you simply can't be a random normal guy. Twisted stuff - always included. |
| That episode was to confusing E_E'' needed to watch it twice to understand few things better... but still ._.'' I'm lost xD I don't get it who was all killed E_E and why e-e |
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| All the backstabbing in this anime damn and seriously was the man that shot himself in love with the little boy at the casino? |
| I'm glad that i've started watching this anime, because it's even better than i thought. This episode wasn't WW2 Europe related but i still loved it. That ending....damn Sakuma gave him the key to enter that bar so he could see who is guilty. Sakuma is the best! |
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Soli18 said: All the backstabbing in this anime damn and seriously was the man that shot himself in love with the little boy at the casino? Yes it was, kind of gross, but w.e. |
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| Okay I got to admit, after not enjoying this so far, that it was a great episode,. Hopefully it stays consistent. |
| I didn't really like this episode that much. Our detective, Fukamoto, is leading the investigator to the place where the bad boss was doing all the bad opium stuff, he even slipped him the coin needed to get into the back, but what did this show to the investigator? nothing! In the final accusation the investigator just thinks it's him because of the reaction bad boss had to the explosion and how it would be the best place time to have the explosion, he didn't show if he connected it to the bar place. Dun Dun Dun, it was bad boss he was going crazy, stealing opium, was the one who killed the guy in the begining and blew up his house so nobody would suspect a thing. Blam, it turns out that that the dude holding the gun needed revenge because the boy who died in the explosion and was with bad boss was his lover, that definently didn't come out of nowhere. Also it also turns out bad boss was leaking the information which is the reason he needed to die and the detective doesn't need to deal with this case anymore becaus of that, he probably knew the vengeful lover was going to kill him in the end. I think i might just be too young to fully enjoy this show, since I was really confused watching the episode and had to watch it like two more times to understand the little that I figured out. I'm probably wrong about something so please correct my childish analysis if you spot something. Edit- I think the thing that might have connected it was how he knew the kid was doing illegal stuff because of his tatoo, but that still doesn't make sense in why he would think it was bad boss. |
caitseyowoMay 10, 2016 12:53 PM
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TimberCloud said: The main point that comes out of the comments, and also out of my own opinion of course, is that this is a very nice show with its character design as the biggest flaw. The guys all look too similiar and you end up asking yourself who is who. tbh I really like their character design and I never felt they're THAT similar once you know how everyone look, they're quite easy to diferenciate |
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| Good change on the formula with this new perspective. The story went well with the location used. I only disliked how most of the story was actually told as a "debriefing". Also, I would have like it more if the guilty one wasn't ending as a seemingly crazy man. The setting was pretty, the environment well presented. I could not stop to stare the investigator soldier's nose all the episode long. What was this red end? 3.5/5 I know we can complain about the character-design(s?) but I suppose we could also think those spies have quite a common type of face. I must be in the minority (after reading commentaries here) but I recognized the character because of his voice while I still was uncertain he was from the Agency because, well, he is good to disguise himself. bluebear_tora said: These self contained spy stories are working well for Joker Game but I hope they got more to it though. No, the novel adapted (and its first sequel too) is an anthology. |
Rei_IIIMay 7, 2016 11:12 PM
| Ah they all look the same it's hard to recognize |
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| In short, two gay pedophiles had a falling out. Oikawa may have thought he was smart, but that spy was the true mastermind. Could have done with more screen time though, he was pretty cool playing the spunky journalist. |
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| Probably my favorite episode yet, even though it was more of a side-story. The feeling of mystery was really nice here, and the way everything resolved was unexpected, yet didn't feel cheap. Really nice directing, too. :) |
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| I don't even know who's who, but it's still interesting. This investigation was a farce, but there's no telling if the next one will be the same (I hope I'll be surprised.) |
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| Another gruesome brutal episode of the spies! 4/5. |
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pkKodama said: lol am I supposed to find it touching the moment when that ugly 30 years old fat man reveals that he is avenging his lover??? Wtf is wrong with those pedos? I wonder how he is a pedophile? Except if the boy's age was told somewhere, like in manga (if there is Joker Game manga, I have no idea). To me, the kid seemed like a teenager, so there's no way the guy was a pedophile. And maybe things were different back in 1940. |
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yoite- said: pkKodama said: lol am I supposed to find it touching the moment when that ugly 30 years old fat man reveals that he is avenging his lover??? Wtf is wrong with those pedos? I wonder how he is a pedophile? Except if the boy's age was told somewhere, like in manga (if there is Joker Game manga, I have no idea). To me, the kid seemed like a teenager, so there's no way the guy was a pedophile. And maybe things were different back in 1940. He was a boy(shounen), that was clearly stated in the anime. |
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pkKodama said: yoite- said: I wonder how he is a pedophile? Except if the boy's age was told somewhere, like in manga (if there is Joker Game manga, I have no idea). To me, the kid seemed like a teenager, so there's no way the guy was a pedophile. And maybe things were different back in 1940. He was a boy(shounen), that was clearly stated in the anime. Yeah and to me, that doesn't mean anything. Being called "boy" doesn't mean he's a little kid. |
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yoite- said: Yeah and to me, that doesn't mean anything. Being called "boy" doesn't mean he's a little kid. the thing is, in America (US at least, no idea about the rest), if you're +18 and you have any kind sexual encounter/relationship with an underage (-18) you will be considered a pedophile by them (they use the term incorrectly, but given it's punishable by the law people will keep calling it like that because that's the most common way to call an illegal relationship between an "adult" (even if the perpetrator just turned 18) and an underage (even if that underage is about to turn 18)) that kind of extreme view is kind of weird for us europeans but that's how it is for them (cultural differences, I guess?) |
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| Damn these episodes are good. The villain's speech was sublime! |
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| Well that's the point of being a spy right? Not knowing who they are 'til the big reveal? Nicely done episode, totally didn't know he was the spy this time around. |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| I got the story for this episode but what I just can't grasp (like most the confused people her apparently lol) are the characters... there are a couple of spies to begin with and even if they were all introduced in the first episode, I still dunno their names and faces (the art is making this especially difficult since they all nearly look alike) too well and definitely enough to pick them out easily. Gah!! |
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| Oh boy that ending! Pretty lovely episode I must say, let's see what's next. |
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