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| Damn, this series gets better with each new episode. The way they killed the parents was creepy af. |
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MapleRose said: My theory on the case: Oh my fucking god. :d no matter how creepy i see your theory, it's still believable darn. |
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| the ending was great and quite messed up in a good way , now all we need is explanations as for why she and her uncle did that . It's surely not a coincidence as for why this Happens now , she's been trapped in here for Fifteeen years , she has books 15 Volumes long , the sentence "Everything becomes F" in her computer , F is 15 in Hexadecimal that many connections to 15 can't be a coincidence . So maybe she had planned something , was it her death ? we"ll find out soon i guess . I say that because i've always find it weird that someone that smart got killed in a Room where there's only 1 Entrance / Exit . It's not like the Killer could've taken her by Surprise |
xSkydelNov 13, 2015 4:21 AM
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| Glad to see the mystery is being figured a bit. |
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MapleRose said: My theory on the case: Good theory, I did not think about it. The resolution of the mystery progress, we have more and more information. This anime is one of the good show of the season, very intriguing. |
Segneal said: so the uncle wanted to fuck magata, they told her parents , they said no . and well they killed them. To be honest I don't think it's like that. It seems too easy... also there was a weird time skip. In the last episode we saw Magata giving the knife to the uncle so that he could go camping and things like that... And in this one he is holding the knife ready to kill the parents. There is a gap there and that is the motive to kill her parents. However we do not yet know what it is exactly. On the other hand only Magata Shiki had a motive to kill her parents and not the other personalities so it can't be as simple as just wanting to kill them so that she can be with the uncle. And by the way... I wonder if the location of the lab was something to do with her uncle's dream of going somewhere far away and surviving on his own and things like that... Also was Shiki in love with her uncle or...? In any case, Shiki seems pretty evil but I do not dislike her... I just feel really bad for her. I really despise her uncle though, how could he lay a hand on her...? and kill her parents? gosh... just because he has that "nice guy" expression he doesn't seem so bad but he's a pure evil, self-centered child abuser... =.= |
| I was thinking that F in "Subete ga F ni naru" could mean Free instead of fifteen or both or idk >.> And I was also thinking that 15's meaning could be related to the fact that "7 is a lonely number" <.< |
| Omg really good episode. I'm finally feeling the same level of excitement and creepiness as I did with the drama! |
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| Lol at how Moe got drunk via non-alcoholic beer xD Really liked the buildup towards Moe and Souhei coming to the decision of staying at the lab to see this mystery through to the end and solve it But man that ending was just fucked up lol....I called her uncle killing her parents but I kinda ruled out that Shiki actually killed them herself as well so that caught me by surprise a little |
| A sort of recap with the first half :O I prefer Free rather than Fifteen :( Magata's sister might have been used a body double in magata's place. |
ichii_1Nov 13, 2015 8:33 AM
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| Bah.... I got spoiled by a comment on my streaming site of all friggin' things. Now all I want to know is exactly why she is doing what she's doing in the current timeline. It makes absolutely no sense to me..... |
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Stark700 said: Oh Moe, don't get drunk What an ending..... So freaking creepy, there is so many creepy scene tbh. And "Everything becomes F" F is Fifteen ? Everything becomes fifteen ? what is the meaning of that. seriously, when he said "Everything becomes fifteen" The first thing that came into my mind was Magata personality. They got a few hints too btw. I like it. the show is getting interesing, but the way they made the ed is too madness or more like insane and creepy. Well, i knew that knife was meaning to kill Magata parents, but the scene just appear without me knowing it , so it was really suprised me. This is a good theory, indeed Sakaitsu said: MapleRose said: My theory on the case: Good theory, I did not think about it. The resolution of the mystery progress, we have more and more information. This anime is one of the good show of the season, very intriguing. |
YizelTroNov 13, 2015 12:18 PM
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| How does one get drunk from drinking non-alcohol beer.. ( '-') Not a particularly interesting episode, though the ending was indeed a bit terrifying. |
| Drunk Moe is annoying just as much as normal Moe and she killed her parents with the help of her bastard pedo uncle |
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CandyFace said: I think they just say it's non-alcoholic cause Japanese people are not very open to underage drinking. I thought it was more like "of course this is NON-ALCOHOLIC *wink wink*" lolHow does one get drunk from drinking non-alcohol beer.. ( '-') Not a particularly interesting episode, though the ending was indeed a bit terrifying. MapleRose said: [/quote] My theory on the case: |
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| This show is insulting my intelligence. |
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| Great episode, I liked how they stepped back to the camp to think about what happened and to sum up all clues. And I simply lloved Moe's conversions with Saikawa by the fireworks. Was her (not) getting drunk toned-down only for anime? There were many weird and suspicious moments though. First, Yamane was suspicious during his offer to Saikawa, she is not the killer but he seems to be hiding something. Second, the way murdered corpse started to rot seems to be the proof of her death (it didn't smell the day before) though it can be something to drive them off from checking - as noone really wanted to check her thoroughly. And the last, Still think there is a real possibility it was suicide. And when she would lost her will to live you're asking? The answer is when she lost her loved one. Or this is actually all Miki's scheme to overtake the lab. And Miki is actually Shiki who went up with the elevator to the roof to greet them - or they just brought false body down there. She was fifteen when she gave her first personality 15 years to live, and now her second personality was given the same. The actual murder was pretty shocking, not because they had shown it all but because of how natural action it was for her. |
| I just like to count how many cigs that guy smokes during the episode. |
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VanishingKira said: Magata looked strangely hot/seductive in the scene she killed her parents.  13 bruh Wings said: I just like to count how many cigs that guy smokes during the episode. Watch it turn out to be 15 at some point |
Segneal said: so the uncle wanted to fuck magata, they told her parents , they said no . and well they killed them. So what ? She's quite attractive for a 14 year old kid.lol. |
| Magata-chan was cute |
| Episode, the thing that has satisfied my curiosity is able to find a shred of evidence that may be starting the investigation of the protagonists. Yes, interesting dialogues and deep considerations, as well as the carrying out of events occurring during the youth of Professor Magata, but they are things that I was not involved that much. Drawings and animations on the edge of sufficiency, you should improve this aspect in my speech. |
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RedaJaNai said: One thing I loved about this show and got me hooked since the first episode is the characters. Their interactions and dialogues feel very natural (and that's fucking refreshing) The interactions and dialogues are what bothers me the most in the anime, they almost never feel natural... Sometimes it feels like the characters are on different planets and don't even answer to each other. |
| Forgot if they mentioned how Moe's parents died early on in the series, but the last few episodes keep giving me a feeling that Saikawa might be involved in their deaths somehow. Would explain the sort of distance he keeps from Moe, and his view on Magata's morals. Might be a long shot, but he's definitely keeping some stuff to himself. Maybe I'm just dumb and forgot if they mentioned her parents were in a car crash or something. Anyway, love this anime. I've been completely drawn into it every episode. The opening's amazing, too. |
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| "THEM BITCHEZZ ARE NOT GUNNA STOP ME FROM FUCKING MY UNCLE" |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Magata's pussy was so good,that her uncle killed his brother just to get more.#thirstisreal |
| Lead me out of the dark,bishounen space Jesus. |
D4rkn3s5 said: Magata's pussy was so good,that her uncle killed his brother just to get more.#thirstisreal Hey, maybe he used the back door, we'll never know. |
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| It had a strong ending, I wonder if the bribe had any other higher meaning |
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| A crazy ending with a lot of bloodshed. So both Magata and her uncle are murderers? It was a fairly good episode with some changes compared to the previous episodes where we were locked inside the lab and all kinds of suspense took place. Nishinosono was so cute with that drunken voice. I've come to learn that seeing Saikawa without a cigarette in his mouth is a rarity. |
| So in the end she did all that to give freedom to her "lover" and helped him kill what was keeping him still, miracle that she didn't kill the wife. Magata is crazy, that's all... |
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| waaaaat dat ending i mean i knew what was coming but those kills were just so casual XDDD |
| Holy fuck at that ending! Did not see that one coming.... This show never ceases to surprise somehow. Doesn't disappoint one bit in that aspect. Same for the mystery. |
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| I love the development of this anime. The flashback was absolutely perfect. <3 |
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| they finally have a clue after 6 episodes! and most awko murder scene i eva seen |
| I was trying to ignore the fact that this show has been leaning on pseudo-philosophy till now because it was keeping my interest, but now that it's unraveling the mysteries, everything turned out so underwhelming and stupid. "Everything becomes Fifteen"? Please... |
madclaw said: I was trying to ignore the fact that this show has been leaning on pseudo-philosophy till now because it was keeping my interest, but now that it's unraveling the mysteries, everything turned out so underwhelming and stupid. "Everything becomes Fifteen"? Please... That's how mysteries usually are. Drag it out and it's underwhelming. |
| Well, considering what Shiki and her Uncle did, I'm glad those two are dead now. |
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| A pretty good sort of recap type of episode, followed with an intense flashback-ending. By the way, I’m not sure if someone already mentioned this or not, but isn’t the knife Shiki gave her uncle the same knife he was stabbed in the back in the helicopter? It looked somewhat similar…. or maybe it’s just me. |
 We ultimately fear what spawns from within us ~Shinsekai yori Music is freedom. ~Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso |
| Okay so I have a huge theory but bits and bobs are huge leaps and guesses (as most theories are) so sorry if they're a bit weird. Spoilers may be below? First Part It is impossible for anyone to get in and out of that room. Impossible. We keep thinking "How did someone get into the room then if it's impossible?" The only logical thing I can think of is that someone else was in there since that start. Remember in episode 4, Moe asked "Why did Magata need the room if she never had any guests?" There were two chairs in the kitchen(?) area as well. Balloons. TV. Lego. A teddy. She bought them years ago. A sewing machine (which I have gathered is to make clothes for someone besides her.) The lego, ballons, TV and teddy bear are quite child like and don't really fit a character like Dr Magata. So if you piece all the things together, the person who was in the room from the start was her child. She was 13, definitely old enough to start menstruation and she was with the uncle. It definitely seemed like they were in a sort of sexual kind of relationship. Second Part The family. The whole killing thing. "I won't let you do this said the father" "She screamed like she was possessed"- This is what her aunt said she witnessed. Her father obviously disagreed with something and I don't think he would have argued with her about something small. I definitely think it was something big, especially to make her scream at his disagreement. "She wouldn't let anyone interfere with her actions, even her parents" is what Saikawa said. Whatever she told her parents, they didn't agree with and they said no way and she flipped. I also don't think she would have killed them for a simple reason. She knew there was a huge chance of them disagreeing, hence why she brought the knife for her uncle. Also, staying inside her room for 15 years is the exact opposite of freedom, even if her parents aren't there. She's barely free, it was like she was locked up. If my previous theory (part 1) is correct, she didn't kill her parents for freedom. She killed them because she either told them about the relationship with her uncle or about the baby. Maybe both. Third Part This bit and the Fourth bit are my "huge leaps". I'll get straight to the point. I don't think the person we see at the very start is Magata Shiki. I didn't from the moment Moe had asked who she was and appeared thrown off by the question (according to Moe.) There's no reason to put that little detail in if it wasn't for a reason. Fourth Part Biggest leap and bound. I'm terrible when it comes to crime things, I will sit down and watch half an episode, piece things up for days and then come back to the other half of the episode. So after going over everything, I thought, well if the at the start of episode that girl wasn't Magata and was her daughter, wouldn't that mean that the girl on the trolley wasn't Magata but was indeed her daughter? She looked way too young to be over 20, I think this was mentioned in the first few episodes but I was too lazy to go back and confirm it because these parts may be too big a guess and there's little plot holes. They'd probably both look very similar too and seeing as no one has seen her for years, the people in the lab probably wouldn't know who was who even if you switched them around. Also, now the freedom bit comes in. If that person was on the trolley thing was Magata's daughter and Magata had killed her, she would have escaped afterwards and left. She's free. Now there's a few things that I can't piece together at all. The robot. It's definitely there for a reason. The sister. Her arrival was too odd to not put into the equation. The multiple personalities on the computer. Why they also killed the uncle. |
SheepWithDreadsNov 16, 2015 3:43 PM
| Well well well, look who we have here. |
Eden2307 said: Forgot if they mentioned how Moe's parents died early on in the series, but the last few episodes keep giving me a feeling that Saikawa might be involved in their deaths somehow. Would explain the sort of distance he keeps from Moe, and his view on Magata's morals. Might be a long shot, but he's definitely keeping some stuff to himself. Maybe I'm just dumb and forgot if they mentioned her parents were in a car crash or something. Anyway, love this anime. I've been completely drawn into it every episode. The opening's amazing, too. I agree that he may have had something to do with it. Just the fact "Magata" bought up Saikawa and Moe's parents death and mentioned there was someone with her. Also, there was a figure behind Moe and the figure reminded me of Saikawa even though his face was blurred out but maybe that's just because we see them together so often that I feel it can only be him? |
| Well well well, look who we have here. |
| One thing I noticed in the video feed apart from the elevator number changing. While everyone is looking in the direction of the body carrying cart, Yamane seems to be staring straight at the camera- or at least looking in an entirely different direction than everyone else: I wonder if there is any significance. |
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| Getting worse for me, not really feeling any of the characters. Nocturnal said: One thing I noticed in the video feed apart from the elevator number changing. While everyone is looking in the direction of the body carrying cart, Yamane seems to be staring straight at the camera- or at least looking in an entirely different direction than everyone else: I wonder if there is any significance. That's because he was yelling at the system that runs the place. |
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| Everything becomes F = 15 = 1111 oh how i can miss this as programmer lol |
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-Trippwire- said: Ayy lmao.Wings said: I just like to count how many cigs that guy smokes during the episode. Watch it turn out to be 15 at some point |
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